On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:35:08 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman Post by Quinn C Post by Cheryl Post by David Kleinecke Post by Quinn C Post by Sam Plusnet
1. Talk of coastline "retreat" seems to borrow imagery from warfare -
where the land and waves do battle and the front-line may advance or
Thousands who've been to a Buddhist (or similar) retreat will be
surprised to learn that.
Lots of Christian retreats. I once went to a Missouri Synod
Lutheran retreat held at a Franciscan Retreat House.
You can even have non-religious retreats. The non-religious ones I've
encountered are generally work-related, and don't have anything to do
with meditation or prayer or spirituality. They don't have anything to
do with warfare, either. The organizers talk a lot about teamwork.
I'm not familiar with that usage. And business is generally not averse
to military language, so that doesn't prove much.
A religious or organizational retreat is supposed to be a good thing
for the participants, but a military retreat typically isn't and may
be a disaster.
So I think it proves that "retreat" isn't necessarily a military
figure of speech. But I think coastline retreating is a military
figure of speech, as Sam said.
I'm not sure. "retreat" seems to me the most vaguely suitable single
word even though the coastline is not actively retreating. The material
of the coast is being washed away by the sea. This known as "coastal
There is a village in East Anglia named Dunwich. It was a twon until the
sea "claimed" most of it.
As this says (not fully accurate; see the Wikip quotation later):
7 Abandoned Medieval Villages Seen From The Air (And One From Under
The one that’s now under the sea
Today, Dunwich (East Anglia) is almost entirely submerged below the
North Sea. On the plus side, that makes it Europe’s largest
underwater medieval site! Once upon a time, however, it was a
thriving port that rivaled London. But then it was battered by a
series of powerful storms in the 13th and 14th centuries. With its
harbour silting up, a failing market, and the town partly destroyed,
and some violent disputes with piratical monks, the storms quite
literally tipped it over the edge and many people simply gave up on
Dunwich. When archaeologists explored the underwater ruins, they
found the ruins of four churches, a toll-house, several shipwrecks
and new evidence of the port that was once the capital [of]
Anglo-Saxon East Anglia.
The loss of "a busy port to ... 14th century storms that swept whole
parishes into the sea" is an urban myth. It appears that the
port developed as a sheltered harbour where the Dunwich River
entered the North Sea. Coastal processes including storms caused the
river to shift its exit 2.5 miles (4 km) north to Walberswick, at
the River Blyth. The town of Dunwich lost its raison d'etre and was
** Sea defences were not maintained and coastal erosion progressively
** invaded the town.
This diagram shows Dunwich. There are two coastlines shown. At the right
is that of 1250 and towards the left is that of 2012:Loading Image...
There is a distance of at least 700 metres between the 1250 and the 2012
coastlines at the south of the diagram.
31 page pdf:
Dunwich Marine Archaeology Survey
Professor David Sear
Department of Geography & Environment
University of Southampton
Post by Jerry Friedman
Maybe we're supposed to take arms
against a sea of troubles.
Post by Quinn C
We've had "war rooms" in my office.
Which are supposed to be something like actual war rooms, so they're
not like retreats.
Peter Duncanson, UK