On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:19:15 -0700, bill van <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
>On 2018-08-23 16:04:12 +0000, Tony Cooper said:
>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 07:17:50 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>> <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 04:05:01 -0500, Andy Leighton
>>> <***@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 19:49:28 -0700, Mack A Damia
>>>> <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> What puzzles me is the frequent use of the word, "queer". I thought
>>>>> it was in disuse because of its bad vibes. Apparently not.
>>>> It has been reclaimed somewhat, a process that was started in the late 80s.
>>>> _Queer As Folk_ was on TV in the UK in 1999. However it hasn't been totally
>>>> reclaimed there are still LGBTQIA people who reject the term, but many,
>>>> especially the young embrace it.
>>> That came from a Northern English expression, "There's nowt as queer
>>> as folk". It has little to do with sexual orientation.
>>>> It is a useful word as it is an umbrella term that covers more than
>>>> just gay / straight.
>>> I believe you, but I consider it a slur and an insult.
>That depends on who is using it and how. It is one of those words that
>began as a slur but was embraced by the community it referred to, and
>is now a regularly used, non-insulting expression when used by members
>of the community and those who interact with them.
>> I consider it a too-dangerous word to use. We have someone in this
>> group who thinks that we should find out what gender pronoun to use
>> when addressing him, and he represents a very tiny group of
>> like-minded people.
>> Homosexuals are a much larger group, so we have more occasion to
>> consider their feelings. There may be homosexuals who would not
>> object to being called "queer", but I'm not about to use the term on
>> the chance that I'm using it where it is acceptable. Odds are it will
>> not be.
>If you interact with gay people it will soon become clear whether you
>can safely use it. Just asking someone might tell you. If you don't,
>there's no harm in avoiding the term.
Well, not really. If you interact with *a* gay person you will get to
know what that person finds offensive or inoffensive, but you have to
start over with each individual no matter how many you interact with.
I can't imagine that "Just asking someone" if using "queer" is
acceptable to them. I think I'd be more apt to let them set the tone
and use whatever term they use, or no term at all. Mostly it's no
term at all because the subject need not be clarified.
>> Looking at the above, I'm trying to determine if "group" will be
>> objected to by someone, but it's easier to write than "percentage of
>> the population we encounter".
>I live in Vancouver's West End, part of which is known as "the gay
>village". Vancouver is generally accepting of gender minorities; the
>annual Pride Parade, which winds through my neighbourhood, draws around
>600,000 spectators from all backgrounds.
We have "Rainbow Run" in Orlando. There's a stretch of stores and
drinking/eating establishments on a major street that all display a
rainbow flag or rainbow painted on the building. I don't think
there's an area that is specifically known for gay residents.
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida