In alt.usage.english, on Sat, 7 Jul 2018 10:33:36 +0100, John Ritson
>In article <***@4ax.com>, micky
>>On the news today, sad story about a new wave of refugees from the
>>government-led fighting in Syria, at the Jordan border and maybe the
>>Israel border, but can't get past either. So while they're suffering
>>I'm making trivial wisecracks about the use of English. I want you to
>>know that I at least appreciate that.
>>The interview quotes someone as saying " Many of them have been
>>sheltering in the open air."
>>Of course the open air is the opposite of shelter. And shelter is the
>>opposite of open air.
>'Shelter' depends on what you are sheltering from. You can shelter from
>a cold wind by moving behind the crest of a hill, while remaining in the
Hmmm. She didnt' say anthing about wind or anything else related to
shelter. Her point seemed to be that they had no shelter.
>> (I also hate the term "shelter in place",
>>perhaps because I knew it would lead to this.)
>>She also talked about a woman who was having a baby on a blanket in the
>>field, a couple miles from a hospital that she could not go to because
>>it was on the other side of the border.
>>She said "she eventually gave birth safely". No, she didn't. She was
>>on a blanket in a field. That things came out all right does not make
>>it either safe or retroactively safe. She should have said,
>>succesfully, or without complications, or that both were alive.
>The best definition of safety is the result, not the procedure. If a
No it's not. (and the word at issue was "safely".)
If someone is drunk, driving 80MPH on a 2-lane road, passing on curves,
going into the lanes of oncoming traffic, swerving back at the last
second to avoid hitting someone, weaving between lanes with 4 inches
between his bumper and the other car's, but he doesn't hit anyone, would
you say he drove safely? Would you call the driving "safe"?
>baby being born in a shiny high-tech hospital dies, would you call the
It would be tactless but yes. Safeness is no guarantee.
If someone considered healthy is sitting in a comfortable easy chair
with his legs on an ottoman and he has a stroke and dies, was he safe?
>"The operation was a complete success, but the patient died."
That's a third thing.
Please say where you live, or what
area's English you are asking about.
So your question or answer makes sense.
I have lived all my life in the USA,
Western Pa. Indianapolis, Chicago,