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Plonker vs Plonker
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Tony Cooper
2018-02-07 07:27:09 UTC
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Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html

Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.

A rich vein for this group.
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occam
2018-02-07 11:14:30 UTC
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Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
My vote for "Plonker of all time" goes to Piers. How a despicable shite
like Piers can be given the platform of public opinions after his
disgrace following the Daily Mirror phone hacking scandal is beyond me.
His is the despicable face of journalism.
Madrigal Gurneyhalt
2018-02-07 11:33:03 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
My vote for "Plonker of all time" goes to Piers. How a despicable shite
like Piers can be given the platform of public opinions after his
disgrace following the Daily Mirror phone hacking scandal is beyond me.
His is the despicable face of journalism.
What disgrace would that be? Do you see any evidence of his having
been disgraced?

He has exactly the same right to free speech as anyone else and, no
matter what your feelings about him, the same ability to occasionally
be right. This particular article appears to be one of them.
occam
2018-02-07 14:12:49 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
My vote for "Plonker of all time" goes to Piers. How a despicable shite
like Piers can be given the platform of public opinions after his
disgrace following the Daily Mirror phone hacking scandal is beyond me.
His is the despicable face of journalism.
What disgrace would that be? Do you see any evidence of his having
been disgraced?
When one has one's head permanently up one's arse, I concede that it is
difficult to see any evidence. </Madrigal, Shmadrigal>
Madrigal Gurneyhalt
2018-02-07 19:58:25 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
My vote for "Plonker of all time" goes to Piers. How a despicable shite
like Piers can be given the platform of public opinions after his
disgrace following the Daily Mirror phone hacking scandal is beyond me.
His is the despicable face of journalism.
What disgrace would that be? Do you see any evidence of his having
been disgraced?
When one has one's head permanently up one's arse, I concede that it is
difficult to see any evidence. </Madrigal, Shmadrigal>
So, no, then?
Richard Tobin
2018-02-07 12:52:31 UTC
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My vote for "Plonker of all time" goes to Piers.
I like the way Private Eye always refers to him as Piers "Morgan" Moron.

-- Richard
Madrigal Gurneyhalt
2018-02-07 11:22:39 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2018-02-07 12:18:52 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
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occam
2018-02-07 14:08:22 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
But, but, but... both 'woman' and 'women' also include the male 'man'
and 'men' reference also. How shall one refer to these creatures?
Jerry Friedman
2018-02-07 15:40:48 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
But, but, but... both 'woman' and 'women' also include the male 'man'
and 'men' reference also. How shall one refer to these creatures?
Hence "womyn", etc.
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Jerry Friedman
occam
2018-02-07 17:04:36 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
But, but, but... both 'woman' and 'women' also include the male 'man'
and 'men' reference also. How shall one refer to these creatures?
Hence "womyn", etc.
Is that the singular or plural?
Jerry Friedman
2018-02-07 22:19:20 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
But, but, but... both 'woman' and 'women' also include the male 'man'
and 'men' reference also. How shall one refer to these creatures?
Hence "womyn", etc.
Is that the singular or plural?
AFAIK, the plural is "wymyn". The people who like that must favor the
letter y. I assume it doesn't refer to chromosomes.
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Quinn C
2018-02-07 23:04:51 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
But, but, but... both 'woman' and 'women' also include the male 'man'
and 'men' reference also. How shall one refer to these creatures?
Hence "womyn", etc.
Is that the singular or plural?
AFAIK, the plural is "wymyn". The people who like that must favor the
letter y. I assume it doesn't refer to chromosomes.
I see "wimmin" far more often as an alternative spelling of the
plural. Whether it's acceptable as a plural of "womyn",
specifically, I don't know.
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Athel Cornish-Bowden
2018-02-22 12:38:06 UTC
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Hence "womyn", etc.
Is that the singular or plural?
AFAIK, the plural is "wymyn". The people who like that must favor the
letter y. I assume it doesn't refer to chromosomes.
I see "wimmin" far more often as an alternative spelling of the
plural. Whether it's acceptable as a plural of "womyn",
specifically, I don't know.
In the days when Katy was demonstrating at Greenham Common, I think
Private Eye's spelling was "wimmin".
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athel
RH Draney
2018-02-07 18:43:15 UTC
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But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
But, but, but... both 'woman' and 'women' also include the male 'man'
and 'men' reference also. How shall one refer to these creatures?
Hence "womyn", etc.
Whenever that one comes up, I suggest "the differently-crotched"....r
Janet
2018-02-07 21:04:29 UTC
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But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
But, but, but... both 'woman' and 'women' also include the male 'man'
and 'men' reference also. How shall one refer to these creatures?
Hence "womyn", etc.
Whenever that one comes up, I suggest "the differently-crotched"....
My new word this week: "mangina".

Janet
musika
2018-02-07 21:26:53 UTC
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My new word this week: "mangina".
With which meaning?
I first came across it some years ago in an episode of (I think) /New
Tricks/
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My new word this week: "mangina".
With which meaning?
I first came across it some years ago in an episode of (I think) /New
Tricks/
aiui, it's a demeaning term for a hetero male who lacks masculinity.

Janet.
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2018-02-08 13:46:36 UTC
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My new word this week: "mangina".
With which meaning?
I first came across it some years ago in an episode of (I think) /New
Tricks/
aiui, it's a demeaning term for a hetero male who lacks masculinity.
It can also be a reference to the sort of intercourse that the sociopath is obsessed with.
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My new word this week: "mangina".
With which meaning?
I first came across it some years ago in an episode of (I think) /New
Tricks/
I think I first heard it on _The Mighty Boosh_.
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But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male
"man". The same problem exists with "person" which includes
male "son".
But, but, but... both 'woman' and 'women' also include the male
'man' and 'men' reference also. How shall one refer to these
creatures?
Hence "womyn", etc.
Whenever that one comes up, I suggest "the
differently-crotched"....
Gotcher "innies" and yer "outies".
Post by Janet
My new word this week: "mangina".
But, when the weekend is over, ey goes back to being plain old "Regina".

Or as in the UD?

A male lackey of the feminist hate movement (Usually called a 'male
feminist'), who views women as superior to men and always bows down to
and agrees with women in an attempt to curry favour, especially his
abusive, man-hating wife who will screw him over in the divorce court,
ruin his life and reputation, whelp a child that isn't his and sting him
for money for said child. In short, a man-slave. Almost all married men
these days are manginas, and so are a slightly less number of single men.

I used to know a truculent feminist who had raised her teenaged son
(yes, all by herself) to be a feminist too. Poor kid.
Mack A. Damia
2018-02-07 21:51:46 UTC
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But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
But, but, but... both 'woman' and 'women' also include the male 'man'
and 'men' reference also. How shall one refer to these creatures?
Hence "womyn", etc.
Whenever that one comes up, I suggest "the differently-crotched"....r
Now we're back to Port Salut.
Quinn C
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But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
But, but, but... both 'woman' and 'women' also include the male 'man'
and 'men' reference also. How shall one refer to these creatures?
Hence "womyn", etc.
Whenever that one comes up, I suggest "the differently-crotched"....r
We're all different from someone, aren't we?
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2018-02-08 04:20:04 UTC
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
"The Day of the Jackal" (1973)

Danish school teacher - Per Lundquist
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
"The Day of the Jackal" (1973)
Danish school teacher - Per Lundquist
Yes, but he wasn't very macho, as far as I recall.
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Do any of them have Diem as a family name?

bill
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2018-02-08 06:49:56 UTC
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Do any of them have Diem as a family name?
Possibly in the Vietnamese districts of Scandinavia.
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2018-02-08 08:02:10 UTC
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Do any of them have Diem as a family name?
I can see the family tree :

Carpe Diem begat Per Diem begat Nickel Diem
CDB
2018-02-08 17:42:22 UTC
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Do any of them have Diem as a family name?
By Ngo Dinh out of Pernilla.
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2018-02-08 17:49:03 UTC
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Do any of them have Diem as a family name?
Or, cross-thread referencing, Se?
--
An astronaut named Per Aspera would be aptly named
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2018-02-08 09:35:45 UTC
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Indeed. Maj Sjowall and Per Wahloo isn't two ladies,

Jan
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Indeed. Maj Sjowall and Per Wahloo isn't two ladies,
Your argument is missing a lot of points.
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one,
and what ever he be, Father, Mother, King, or Judge, is he not a
Novice, and Unmannerly, and an Ideot, and a Fool, that speaks Your
to one, which is not to be spoken to a singular, but to many?
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2018-02-08 21:49:58 UTC
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Indeed. Maj Sjowall and Per Wahloo isn't two ladies,
Your argument is missing a lot of points.
Of course, usenet is 7-bit ASCII,
and Maj Sjoewall and Per Wahloeoe
would definitely be overdoing it,
(and Swedes don't do it that way)

Jan
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Indeed. Maj Sjowall and Per Wahloo isn't two ladies,
Your argument is missing a lot of points.
Of course, usenet is 7-bit ASCII,
Yeah, if you're still living in 1990.
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Indeed. Maj Sjowall and Per Wahloo isn't two ladies,
Your argument is missing a lot of points.
Of course, usenet is 7-bit ASCII,
Yeah, if you're still living in 1990.
Usenet is, 1970 even,

Jan
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Indeed. Maj Sjowall and Per Wahloo isn't two ladies,
Your argument is missing a lot of points.
Of course, usenet is 7-bit ASCII,
Even in IJmuiden?
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Indeed. Maj Sjowall and Per Wahloo isn't two ladies,
Your argument is missing a lot of points.
Of course, usenet is 7-bit ASCII,
Even in ?muiden?
There is an enormous volume of literature,
and an immense amount of heated debate
on the apparently simple question
of the Dutch IJ, ij, being or not being a letter.
(in the Dutch alphabeth)

So even on usenet there is the immensely important question
of what to type, IJmuiden or Ijmuiden,

Jan
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2018-02-09 19:29:49 UTC
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Indeed. Maj Sjowall and Per Wahloo isn't two ladies,
Your argument is missing a lot of points.
Of course, usenet is 7-bit ASCII,
Even in ?muiden?
There is an enormous volume of literature,
and an immense amount of heated debate
on the apparently simple question
of the Dutch IJ, ij, being or not being a letter.
(in the Dutch alphabeth)
So even on usenet there is the immensely important question
of what to type, IJmuiden or Ijmuiden,
Is Ymuiden not a consideration?

bill
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male
"man". The same problem exists with "person" which includes
male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
Indeed. Maj Sjowall and Per Wahloo isn't two ladies,
Your argument is missing a lot of points.
Of course, usenet is 7-bit ASCII,
Even in ?muiden?
There is an enormous volume of literature,
and an immense amount of heated debate
on the apparently simple question
of the Dutch IJ, ij, being or not being a letter.
(in the Dutch alphabeth)
So even on usenet there is the immensely important question
of what to type, IJmuiden or Ijmuiden,
Is Ymuiden not a consideration?
Using Y for IJ or conversely IJ for Y is an error.
(nowadays, before 1804 the two were often used interchangeably)
Feed Ymuiden to Google: did you mean ijmuiden?
Nevertheless it occurs frequently, and often deliberately.
And it still occors in many names.

Even worse is using ÿ or Ÿ, a letter that doesn't exist at all in Dutch.
Usually a French mistake, since French does have a few genuine
occurrences. (Haÿ Les Roses, Eugène Ysaÿe)

Jan

Someone I know had big trouble with it.
He had without thinking mistyped his name as Meyer,
while it is Meijer on his passport.
Ryan Air (notorious for being difficult)
refused to transport him, for 'booked name not literally correct'.
After lots of wasted argumentation he at last had the right idea,
last minute as the gate was about to close:
Hey this is a return ticket. You guys brought me here on it,
you got to take me back. That worked.
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Using Y for IJ or conversely IJ for Y is an error.
(nowadays, before 1804 the two were often used interchangeably)
Feed Ymuiden to Google: did you mean ijmuiden?
Nevertheless it occurs frequently, and often deliberately.
And it still occors in many names.
Even worse is using ÿ or Ÿ, a letter that doesn't exist at all in Dutch.
Usually a French mistake, since French does have a few genuine
occurrences. (Haÿ Les Roses, Eugène Ysaÿe)
The French got it from the Flemish, I suspect.
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Using Y for IJ or conversely IJ for Y is an error.
(nowadays, before 1804 the two were often used interchangeably)
Feed Ymuiden to Google: did you mean ijmuiden?
Nevertheless it occurs frequently, and often deliberately.
And it still occors in many names.
Even worse is using ÿ or Ÿ, a letter that doesn't exist at all in Dutch.
Usually a French mistake, since French does have a few genuine
occurrences. (Haÿ Les Roses, Eugène Ysaÿe)
The French got it from the Flemish, I suspect.
So we can't *quite* blame the Dutch for it?
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Using Y for IJ or conversely IJ for Y is an error.
(nowadays, before 1804 the two were often used interchangeably)
Feed Ymuiden to Google: did you mean ijmuiden?
Nevertheless it occurs frequently, and often deliberately.
And it still occors in many names.
Even worse is using ÿ or Ÿ, a letter that doesn't exist at all in Dutch.
Usually a French mistake, since French does have a few genuine
occurrences. (Haÿ Les Roses, Eugène Ysaÿe)
The French got it from the Flemish, I suspect.
Your suspicion is a mistake.
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So we can't *quite* blame the Dutch for it?
Not at all. The Wikip page on ÿ doesn't even exist in Dutch (or English)
<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ÿ>
And it says in the Dutch section:
=====
La lettre Ÿ n'est pas à confondre avec le digramme commun néerlandais ij
qui peut lui ressembler en écriture manuscrite et aussi
occasionnellement dans les textes imprimés.
====

Jan

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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
A variant of your name, like Pierre:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_(given_name)

Per is a Scandinavian masculine given name. It is derived from the Greek
word πετρος (petros) meaning "stone" or "rock". The name is a variant of
Peter, a common masculine name of the same origin. Other Scandinavian
variants of Per are Pehr, Peer and Pär.
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Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
But, but, but,... "humankind" is 'gendered'. It includes male "man".
The same problem exists with "person" which includes male "son".
In some countries, Per is a masculine name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_(given_name)
Per is a Scandinavian masculine given name. It is derived from the Greek
word πετρος (petros) meaning "stone" or "rock". The name is a variant of
Peter, a common masculine name of the same origin. Other Scandinavian
variants of Per are Pehr, Peer and Pär.
And, I gather, Ibsen based Peer Gynt on a Norwegian fairly tale
called Per Gynt.

bill
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Other Scandinavian
variants of Per are Pehr, Peer and Pär.
And, I gather, Ibsen based Peer Gynt on a Norwegian fairly tale
called Per Gynt.
That seems fairly likely.
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Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers
Morgan's photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin
Trudeau's photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
Post by Tony Cooper
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists to do
the job?
Not that job. The woman on her feet was monopolising the floor. At one
point, Trudeau asked her if she in fact had a question. As she bored
on, she gave him the opening ("mankind") for a small joke.
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Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is Mr. Trudeau unaware that the word 'humankind' already exists
to do the job?
He says he was trying to make a joke and now realizes it was a clunker.

He has two undergraduate degrees, one of them in literature, but
seems to lack the gravitas of his late father, Pierre. I think there
is a growing sense among Canadians that he's a bit pretentious
and shallow, but he's likely good for at least one more election win.
The two opposition parties both have new leaders who have not
been impressive so far.

bill
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Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
I've skimmed though the article. I saw Piers Morgan on TV ranting about
Justin Trudeau.
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A rich vein for this group.
That article helpfully explains:

The word 'plonker' is an old English term for 'fool'.

In that phrase "old English" "old" means not "Old" but "recent".

The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".

The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
TV show:

1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!

"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
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Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
I've skimmed though the article. I saw Piers Morgan on TV ranting about
Justin Trudeau.
Post by Tony Cooper
A rich vein for this group.
The word 'plonker' is an old English term for 'fool'.
In that phrase "old English" "old" means not "Old" but "recent".
The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
Does that mean 'plonker' cannot be used for women? 'Plunger' perhaps?
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
I've skimmed though the article. I saw Piers Morgan on TV ranting about
Justin Trudeau.
Post by Tony Cooper
A rich vein for this group.
The word 'plonker' is an old English term for 'fool'.
In that phrase "old English" "old" means not "Old" but "recent".
The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
Does that mean 'plonker' cannot be used for women? 'Plunger' perhaps?
It is possible that 'plonker' is used for women.

The female equivalent to "penis" is "cunt" and that is used to mean "An
unpleasant or stupid person" without regard to the gender of the person.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cunt
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill
-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
I've skimmed though the article. I saw Piers Morgan on TV ranting about
Justin Trudeau.
Post by Tony Cooper
A rich vein for this group.
The word 'plonker' is an old English term for 'fool'.
In that phrase "old English" "old" means not "Old" but "recent".
The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
Does that mean 'plonker' cannot be used for women? 'Plunger' perhaps?
It is possible that 'plonker' is used for women.
The female equivalent to "penis" is "cunt" and that is used to mean "An
unpleasant or stupid person" without regard to the gender of the person.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cunt
A nurse I used to work with would say if anyone was called that word,
"No, that's useful".

Peter.
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill
-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
I've skimmed though the article. I saw Piers Morgan on TV ranting about
Justin Trudeau.
Post by Tony Cooper
A rich vein for this group.
The word 'plonker' is an old English term for 'fool'.
In that phrase "old English" "old" means not "Old" but "recent".
The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
Does that mean 'plonker' cannot be used for women? 'Plunger' perhaps?
It is possible that 'plonker' is used for women.
The female equivalent to "penis" is "cunt" and that is used to mean "An
unpleasant or stupid person" without regard to the gender of the person.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cunt
A nurse I used to work with would say if anyone was called that word,
"No, that's useful".
Peter.
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It is possible that 'plonker' is used for women.
The female equivalent to "penis" is "cunt" and that is used to mean "An
unpleasant or stupid person" without regard to the gender of the person.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cunt
A nurse I used to work with would say if anyone was called that word,
"No, that's useful".
+1
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The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
Does that mean 'plonker' cannot be used for women? 'Plunger' perhaps?
It is possible that 'plonker' is used for women.
The female equivalent to "penis" is "cunt"
hardly
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
and that is used to mean "An
unpleasant or stupid person" without regard to the gender of the person.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cunt
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The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
Does that mean 'plonker' cannot be used for women? 'Plunger' perhaps?
It is possible that 'plonker' is used for women.
The female equivalent to "penis" is "cunt"
hardly
"Plonker" goes with "Rodney" and has a special place in British
TV Culture:



Not a program I ever enjoyed, but very main-stream.
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The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
Does that mean 'plonker' cannot be used for women? 'Plunger' perhaps?
It is possible that 'plonker' is used for women.
The female equivalent to "penis" is "cunt"
hardly
"Plonker" goes with "Rodney" and has a special place in British
I know neither "Plonker" nor "Rodney." "Cunt" is not the female equivalent to
"penis."
Post by Harrison Hill
http://youtu.be/ahcuPHVz6aM
Not a program I ever enjoyed, but very main-stream.
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Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
Does that mean 'plonker' cannot be used for women? 'Plunger' perhaps?
It is possible that 'plonker' is used for women.
The female equivalent to "penis" is "cunt"
hardly
"Plonker" goes with "Rodney" and has a special place in British
I know neither "Plonker" nor "Rodney." "Cunt" is not the female equivalent to
"penis."
The words do not have equal formality. One is slang. I was saying that
they are words for the corresponding sexual bits of male and female
humans.
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http://youtu.be/ahcuPHVz6aM
Not a program I ever enjoyed, but very main-stream.
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Janet
2018-02-07 21:01:59 UTC
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The female equivalent to "penis" is "cunt"
You mean, "vagina". Penis and vagina are formal anatomical terms.

Cunt is the equivalent of dick, knob, prick; casual slang.


Janet.
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2018-02-07 23:20:58 UTC
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Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
The female equivalent to "penis" is "cunt"
You mean, "vagina". Penis and vagina are formal anatomical terms.
Cunt is the equivalent of dick, knob, prick; casual slang.
I was not saying that the words were of the same nature, but that they
applied to corresponding male and femal parts.
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Peter T. Daniels
2018-02-07 15:19:37 UTC
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 02:27:09 -0500, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
I've skimmed though the article. I saw Piers Morgan on TV ranting about
Justin Trudeau.
Post by Tony Cooper
A rich vein for this group.
The word 'plonker' is an old English term for 'fool'.
In that phrase "old English" "old" means not "Old" but "recent".
The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
Which would explain why Tony Cooper knows it and thinks it suitable as a thread-title.
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
Ross
2018-02-07 23:32:06 UTC
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 02:27:09 -0500, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
I've skimmed though the article. I saw Piers Morgan on TV ranting about
Justin Trudeau.
Post by Tony Cooper
A rich vein for this group.
The word 'plonker' is an old English term for 'fool'.
In that phrase "old English" "old" means not "Old" but "recent".
The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
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Green takes it back a little further:

"plonk" or "plonker" = penis is implicit in
"pull one's plonk(er)" = masturbate,
for which he has a couple of 1920s citations

= general term of abuse
1966 J. Gaskell All Neat in Black Stockings 72: If she'd been my daughter
in fact I'd never have let her go out with an obvious plonker like myself.

"widely popularized by the 1980s BBC TV series *Only Fools and Horses*"
Tony Cooper
2018-02-08 04:54:50 UTC
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Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 02:27:09 -0500, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
I've skimmed though the article. I saw Piers Morgan on TV ranting about
Justin Trudeau.
Post by Tony Cooper
A rich vein for this group.
The word 'plonker' is an old English term for 'fool'.
In that phrase "old English" "old" means not "Old" but "recent".
The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
"plonk" or "plonker" = penis is implicit in
"pull one's plonk(er)" = masturbate,
for which he has a couple of 1920s citations
I thought it was a pud that one pulls.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Peter Moylan
2018-02-08 06:44:06 UTC
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Post by Ross
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 02:27:09 -0500, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
I've skimmed though the article. I saw Piers Morgan on TV ranting about
Justin Trudeau.
Post by Tony Cooper
A rich vein for this group.
The word 'plonker' is an old English term for 'fool'.
In that phrase "old English" "old" means not "Old" but "recent".
The OED has "plonker" meaning "A foolish, inept, or contemptible person"
in the same group of subsenses as its meaning "a penis".
The first quotation using "plonker" meaning a foolish person is from a
1981 J. Sullivan Only Fools & Horses (1999) I. 1st Ser. Episode 3.
30/1 Rodney! I didn't mean drive off! What a plonker!
"plonker" with the meanings "penis" and "foolish person" parallels
"dick" which has the same two meanings.
"plonk" or "plonker" = penis is implicit in
"pull one's plonk(er)" = masturbate,
for which he has a couple of 1920s citations
I thought it was a pud that one pulls.
No, you choke the bishop.
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Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
CDB
2018-02-07 14:58:10 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers
Morgan's photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin
Trudeau's photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling,
Post by Tony Cooper
PC excesses,> sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and
toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is this person influential? While it is certainly not my attitude in
the general case, I'm pretty sure most Canadians who heard of him would
dismiss him as just another quacking Brit.

On TOH, a lot of bloggers seem to be growing disenchanted with him. Me
too, as they say. I wouldn't be sorry to see the Liberals lose in 2019
if the other two possibilities were not much worse.
Harrison Hill
2018-02-07 18:01:48 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers
Morgan's photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin
Trudeau's photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling,
Post by Tony Cooper
PC excesses,> sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and
toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is this person influential?
Do you mean Piers Morgan? He is a personal friend of Donald
Trump, and has interviewed him - an interview that ought to
be available on-line.

Is he "influential"? I'd say he's well-known for being well-known.
Peter Young
2018-02-07 18:25:49 UTC
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Post by Harrison Hill
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers
Morgan's photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin
Trudeau's photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill
-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling,
Post by Tony Cooper
PC excesses,> sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and
toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is this person influential?
Do you mean Piers Morgan? He is a personal friend of Donald
Trump, and has interviewed him - an interview that ought to
be available on-line.
Is he "influential"? I'd say he's well-known for being well-known.
Anyone who writes a weekly newspaper column called "My Life and Other
Celebrities" has got to be a grade-a berk.

Peter.
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(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Pt)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
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LFS
2018-02-07 22:09:53 UTC
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Post by Harrison Hill
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers
Morgan's photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin
Trudeau's photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill
-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling,
Post by Tony Cooper
PC excesses,> sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and
toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
Is this person influential?
Do you mean Piers Morgan? He is a personal friend of Donald
Trump, and has interviewed him - an interview that ought to
be available on-line.
Is he "influential"? I'd say he's well-known for being well-known.
Anyone who writes a weekly newspaper column called "My Life and Other
Celebrities" has got to be a grade-a berk.
<grin> I read this thread backwards so the use of this example of
rhyming slang seems especially apt, given subsequent exchanges about
female anatomy.
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Laura (emulate St George for email)
Quinn C
2018-02-07 23:04:51 UTC
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Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
The etymology part is dealt with quickly. Etymology is no guide to
meaning, therefore, it is irrelevant that at the time the word
"mankind" came up, "man" was gender-inclusive.

I'm not surprised that "mankind" creates more discomfort than
"woman", because it is still transparent in modern English.
"Wifeman" might be less accepted.

As someone has pointed out, the issue is that "humankind" is
already established, so creating yet a new word is unnecessary,
not that there is no need for an alternative to "mankind".

Admit that you made up "sackclothism".
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Democracy means government by the uneducated,
while aristocracy means government by the badly educated.
-- G. K. Chesterton
Tony Cooper
2018-02-08 05:46:45 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally, the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
The etymology part is dealt with quickly. Etymology is no guide to
meaning, therefore, it is irrelevant that at the time the word
"mankind" came up, "man" was gender-inclusive.
I'm not surprised that "mankind" creates more discomfort than
"woman", because it is still transparent in modern English.
"Wifeman" might be less accepted.
As someone has pointed out, the issue is that "humankind" is
already established, so creating yet a new word is unnecessary,
not that there is no need for an alternative to "mankind".
Admit that you made up "sackclothism".
Someone has to be the first to come up with a neologism.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2018-02-22 12:34:19 UTC
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Some say that the definition of the word "plonker" uses Piers Morgan's
photograph, but Mr Morgan thinks it should be Justin Trudeau's
photograph.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358761/PIERS-MORGAN-dare-kill-mankind-Mr-Trudeau.html
Additionally,
Post by Tony Cooper
the article brings in gender labeling, PC excesses,
sexism, feminism, sackclothism, etymology, and toplessness.
A rich vein for this group.
A horrible article. I couldn't get to the end of it. I don't know if
it's Mr Morgan or the policy of the journal, but someone thinks that
"sentence" and "paragraph" are synonyms.
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athel
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