On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Harrison Hill <***@gmail.com> posted:
>On Tuesday, 10 October 2017 15:43:00 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Harrison Hill <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Monday, 9 October 2017 21:14:25 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> > > Harrison Hill <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > As an avid Hemingway reader, I know how bitter the
>> > > > divisions in Spain have been - but us Brits are nevertheless
>> > > > astonished at what is playing out so close to home.
>> > > >
>> > > > If the Scots or the Welsh or the Northern Irish want to
>> > > > go their own way from the UK, how can we possibly prevent
>> > > > them? What would be the point? If a partner wants to walk out
>> > > > on you, he or she will walk out.
>> > >
>> > > ????
>> > > The Scots, Irish and Welsh only got into the UK
>> > > by crushing them again and again and again
>> > > until the power to resist it had gone,
>> > That is a very strange thing to write. James I was Scottish,
>> > Henry Tudor was Welsh. If Cromwell took Ireland by force, then
>> > the Irish took it back again by force; beginning with the
>> > 1916 Easter Rising.
>> Yes, and all of the United Kingdom is German nowadays.
>> > The UK is held together by consent. Wales, NI and Scotland have
>> > devolved powers; a Scottish referendum recently gave the
>> > Scottish people the right to decide. "The only way you can
>> > remain in the EU, is to remain in the UK", was a slogan
>> > if I remember correctly LOL.
>> Nowadays, yes, after the crushing had been done,
>> and accepted as a matter of fact.
>> You even have the 'crushing of those rebellious Scots' in your anthem,
>> and shortly after that song was popularised
>> the crushing was done rather thoroughly at Culloden.
>> After that Scotland no longer had the military power to resist,
>> so consent became inevitable,
>The Highlanders defeated at Culloden were not "Scots"
>as you seem to conceive them. They weren't the controlling
>classes - those people sided with Cumberland. You should see
>the 1964 film, which brings the full horror of that conflict
>The Scots have fought off Romans, Saxons, and everyone else;
>and they remain undefeated. They want their independence (many
>of them), and it is to Britain's credit that we grant
>independence to any country that wants it.
>Hence you hold a referendum :)
But you can't give independence to a "country". You can only give
independence to "people". Then you settle down to terms-of-exit
negotiations, and demand to know first of all what price they are
willing to pay, before you will discuss anything else (because that's
your mandate, you say - price first, negotiation later: it's the
European way). If they come up with a big enough payment to cover your
original spending plans for the next several years, then you can offer
them independence as alien settlers on your land. If they say they want
the land too, then you can offer to sell it to them for a substantial
extra payment. It's quite a good business model.