Post by Dingbat Post by Arindam Banerjee Post by David Kleinecke Post by Dingbat
The Rig Vedic People Were Indigenous to India, Not Invaders
I say: Indian English speakers are indigenous to India, not invaders
Is this observation a fair comparison to the title of the article above?
The various people mentioned in the Rg Veda were doubtless
indigenous. But a few generations earlier most of the ancestors of
most of them were immigrants from Afghanistan. Probably.
The Rhig Veda is timeless, cannot be dated.
It is at least 12000 years old,
Since you give a figure, you have dated it, although you don't say how.
Your figure of 10,000 BC is smack in the Mesolithic Age, aka Middle Stone
Age.This verse, however, looks like it is from an age of metals and
Archaeological evidence shows that great lost cities due to floods caused
by the end of the last ice age. That ice age period is around 12000 years ago.
The cities were very well developed 12000 years ago, so it is not unlikely
that they were there 30000 years ago, about the time homo sapiens emerged.
Had they not been submerged and thus remained untouched by human hand for so
long there would have been no direct proof of human civilisation that long ago.
At least this is what is being shown in many youtube videos. How correct they
are I am in no position to say. All we can say is that as per the west Indian
history started with Buddha at around 500BC. Anything not Buddist in ancient
India, according to the West, is myth and superstition. This is what my
daughters learnt at school. To ignore and demean Hinduism in every possible way,
has been and is their strategy since Vasco da Gama.
We have absolutely no idea about what life was like 12000 - 30000 years ago,
in the historic sense. From the Puranas, Ramayana and Mahabharata we certainly
know what they were like, what their manners were, their deep thoughts and
actions - all that are very much a part of Hindu day to day existence. Carried
on by rituals, festivals, fairs, gurus, pilgrimages, some sectarianism, etc.
The cave paintings etc. could have been done say 100 years ago by such
stone age people like the aborigines of Australia. So to hold there was no
civilisation 30000 years ago, just by cave paintings etc. is wrong. As Hindus
burn their dead, there would be no skeletons. Yes in IVC there are alternative
burials, in large pots. But IVC is only 5000 years old.
Going by the work done recently by an US person (who posted in sci) that the
IVC seal information makes sense and reads well when held to be
phonetic, it is now certain that Sanskritic languages were there in IVC just
as they are now. Indeed IVC is not different from Hindu villages and small
towns. Same thoughts, same sort of people. Not much change, except from
monotheistic/atheistic inputs - but then, Egyptian and Sumerian influences
were there, just like the West influences India today.
So the submerged cities breathed Sanskrit once, very likely, given the
geographic contiguity between IVC and Dwarka etc. As traditionally known,
the Vedas with their Sanskrit comes from the Gods, so some 10000 to 30000
years ago aliens from other stars probably came and mixed with the human race.
The Vedas, Sanskrit etc are their gifts to the Neandarthals etc. who turned
human some say 30000 years ago. Erich von Daniken made lotsa capital out of this
theory and looks like he was right after all.
Post by Dingbat
Strong, with fair chains of gold and jaws of iron, ye have a splendid car
and well fed horses. Ye Sons of Strength, ye progeny of Indra, to you the
best is offered to delight you. - Rig Veda 4.37.4
30000 years ago the aliens must have had all that. Must have got fed up after
the way they treated Draupadi, and so they left humans to their own evil
devices, led by the likes of GB1&2, Obama, Modi, Xi, etc.
Post by Dingbat Post by Arindam Banerjee
maybe a lot more. It is most marvellous - really it is impossible to
think that humans were involved in the intellect, the emotions, the
language, the purpose, the style.
Er, sentences in any language, not just the Vedic language, are invariably
Humans who are inspired cease to be human - thus, no true poet is human - the
divine has to be in the poet, whether as a god or a demon. Same goes for any
artist, who is original in his scope. Such an artist has to interact with
domains beyond his narrow confines, at another plane he only can ascend.
Certainly 10000 to 30000 years ago the humans were far far better than what they
are now, going by the ancient Indian lore. Definitely there had to be alien
influence to turn apes from neanderthals to us. Some advanced genetics, most
Cynical atheistic arseholes, are what the modern human celebrities are, blister
their insides (as PGW would put it). What chance of a e=mc=hv creepy cretin of
the Hawking sort to create Sanskrit! No human ever known could have invented
Sanskrit. They have at best the wits to make bad copies.
Bad translations are not likely to impress me, one who has spent years trying
to understand the very first line of the Rg Veda. Because, the translators are
thugs (suave swindlers) who want to demean Hinduism and mistranslating the
Vedas is a strategy.
Thus the Gods and Goddesses of the Hindus are the Gods and Goddesses of the
aliens who made us, the human race.
Post by Dingbat
Prepare the cow-stall, for there drink your heroes: stitch ye the coats
of armour, wide and many. Make iron forts, secure from all assailants.
- Rig Veda 10.101.8
Post by Arindam Banerjee
.. It is to the lasting glory of the Brahmins of India that
they have managed to keep the texts intact and lasting to this day.
I gathered once that if the Druids had been allowed to continue their work,
their texts too would be substantially intact. Be that as it may, your
claim can hold only for an era where texts were transmitted (solely)
orally. Now that the texts are in written form, the texts would survive
even if the Brahmins were to disappear, not necessarily by being killed
off but perhaps by ceasing to be Brahmins.
Such is the goal of the anti-Vedic people, to destroy Brahmins in every way
and then corrupt the literature. So far they have not succeeded entirely, but
certainly have come close with the corrupted elites. There are still many
Sanskritic priests and scholars left in India, and what with the BJP (not so
anti-Sanskrit) things won't go too bad. Also, Sanskrit has made inroads outside
India. Sooner or later they should learn to speak Sanskrit properly, in order
to better please the Gods and Goddesses Who will then confer blessings.