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David Kleinecke
2018-05-13 01:33:20 UTC
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Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?
micky
2018-05-13 02:24:09 UTC
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In alt.usage.english, on Sat, 12 May 2018 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT), David
Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?

Other than a horse's name or a book's name, it's hard to find an
example. Google aforethought -malice .

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Tony Cooper
2018-05-13 04:18:44 UTC
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On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:24:09 -0400, micky <***@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>In alt.usage.english, on Sat, 12 May 2018 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT), David
>Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?
>
>Other than a horse's name or a book's name, it's hard to find an
>example. Google aforethought -malice .

Are you saying Malice Doesn't Live Here Anymore?

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Madrigal Gurneyhalt
2018-05-13 10:24:33 UTC
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On Sunday, 13 May 2018 05:18:47 UTC+1, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:24:09 -0400, micky <***@bigfoot.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In alt.usage.english, on Sat, 12 May 2018 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT), David
> >Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?
> >
> >Other than a horse's name or a book's name, it's hard to find an
> >example. Google aforethought -malice .
>
> Are you saying Malice Doesn't Live Here Anymore?
>

Hasn't for a long time. For 24 years I've been living next door to
Malice!
CDB
2018-05-13 11:57:31 UTC
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On 5/13/2018 6:24 AM, Madrigal Gurneyhalt wrote:
> Tony Cooper wrote:
>> micky <***@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>> David Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?

>>> Other than a horse's name or a book's name, it's hard to find an
>>> example. Google aforethought -malice .

>> Are you saying Malice Doesn't Live Here Anymore?

> Hasn't for a long time. For 24 years I've been living next door to
> Malice!

C'est ben toi, Tonton?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ti_Malice_and_Bouki
Peter Moylan
2018-05-13 15:25:25 UTC
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On 13/05/18 20:24, Madrigal Gurneyhalt wrote:
> On Sunday, 13 May 2018 05:18:47 UTC+1, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:24:09 -0400, micky <***@bigfoot.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.usage.english, on Sat, 12 May 2018 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT), David
>>> Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?
>>>
>>> Other than a horse's name or a book's name, it's hard to find an
>>> example. Google aforethought -malice .
>>
>> Are you saying Malice Doesn't Live Here Anymore?
>
> Hasn't for a long time. For 24 years I've been living next door to
> Malice!

Twenty-four years waiting for the chance
To tell her that I love her, maybe get into her pants.

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HVS
2018-05-13 15:56:11 UTC
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On Mon, 14 May 2018 01:25:25 +1000, Peter Moylan
<***@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 13/05/18 20:24, Madrigal Gurneyhalt wrote:
> > On Sunday, 13 May 2018 05:18:47 UTC+1, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:24:09 -0400, micky
<***@bigfoot.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In alt.usage.english, on Sat, 12 May 2018 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT),
David
> >>> Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?
> >>>
> >>> Other than a horse's name or a book's name, it's hard to find an
> >>> example. Google aforethought -malice .
> >>
> >> Are you saying Malice Doesn't Live Here Anymore?
> >
> > Hasn't for a long time. For 24 years I've been living next door to
> > Malice!

> Twenty-four years waiting for the chance
> To tell her that I love her, maybe get into her pants.

Tennis me of this one :

Where do you go to, my lovely
When you come home from the dance?
Do you sit in your lonely apartment?
I want to get into your pants.
(Yes I do, yes I do, yes I do...)

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HVS
2018-05-13 15:59:09 UTC
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On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:56:11 +0100, HVS
<***@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2018 01:25:25 +1000, Peter Moylan
> <***@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> > On 13/05/18 20:24, Madrigal Gurneyhalt wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 13 May 2018 05:18:47 UTC+1, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:24:09 -0400, micky
> <***@bigfoot.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> In alt.usage.english, on Sat, 12 May 2018 18:33:20 -0700
(PDT),
> David
> > >>> Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?
> > >>>
> > >>> Other than a horse's name or a book's name, it's hard to find
an
> > >>> example. Google aforethought -malice .
> > >>
> > >> Are you saying Malice Doesn't Live Here Anymore?
> > >
> > > Hasn't for a long time. For 24 years I've been living next door
to
> > > Malice!


> > Twenty-four years waiting for the chance
> > To tell her that I love her, maybe get into her pants.


> Tennis me of this one :

Or even *reminds* me of...

> Where do you go to, my lovely
> When you come home from the dance?
> Do you sit in your lonely apartment?
> I want to get into your pants.
> (Yes I do, yes I do, yes I do...)


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> Cheers, Harvey

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musika
2018-05-13 17:41:33 UTC
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On 13/05/2018 16:59, HVS wrote:
> On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:56:11 +0100, HVS
> <***@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 01:25:25 +1000, Peter Moylan
>>> Twenty-four years waiting for the chance To tell her that I love
>>> her, maybe get into her pants.
>
>> Tennis me of this one :
>
> Or even *reminds* me of...

I spent ages trying to work out what the pun was!

>> Where do you go to, my lovely When you come home from the dance? Do
>> you sit in your lonely apartment? I want to get into your pants.
>> (Yes I do, yes I do, yes I do...)
>


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Athel Cornish-Bowden
2018-05-13 17:44:33 UTC
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On 2018-05-13 17:41:33 +0000, musika said:

> On 13/05/2018 16:59, HVS wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:56:11 +0100, HVS
>> <***@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 01:25:25 +1000, Peter Moylan
>>>> Twenty-four years waiting for the chance To tell her that I love
>>>> her, maybe get into her pants.
>>
>>> Tennis me of this one :
>>
>> Or even *reminds* me of...
>
> I spent ages trying to work out what the pun was!

I didn't spend ages, but I was also mystified.
>
>>> Where do you go to, my lovely When you come home from the dance? Do
>>> you sit in your lonely apartment? I want to get into your pants.
>>> (Yes I do, yes I do, yes I do...)


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HVS
2018-05-13 18:03:37 UTC
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On Sun, 13 May 2018 19:44:33 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<***@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
> On 2018-05-13 17:41:33 +0000, musika said:
> > On 13/05/2018 16:59, HVS wrote:
> >> On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:56:11 +0100, HVS
> >> <***@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 01:25:25 +1000, Peter Moylan

> >>>> Twenty-four years waiting for the chance To tell her that I
love
> >>>> her, maybe get into her pants.
> >>
> >>> Tennis me of this one :
> >>
> >> Or even *reminds* me of...
> >
> > I spent ages trying to work out what the pun was!

> I didn't spend ages, but I was also mystified.

The wonders of text prediction, innit. (Not to mention sloppy
proofreading.)

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Snidely
2018-05-17 06:25:23 UTC
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On Sunday, Athel Cornish-Bowden exclaimed wildly:
> On 2018-05-13 17:41:33 +0000, musika said:
>
>> On 13/05/2018 16:59, HVS wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:56:11 +0100, HVS
>>> <***@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 01:25:25 +1000, Peter Moylan
>>>>> Twenty-four years waiting for the chance To tell her that I love
>>>>> her, maybe get into her pants.
>>>
>>>> Tennis me of this one :
>>>
>>> Or even *reminds* me of...
>>
>> I spent ages trying to work out what the pun was!
>
> I didn't spend ages, but I was also mystified.

Poet laureate, wasn't he? What's it all about, Alfie?

>>>> Where do you go to, my lovely When you come home from the dance? Do
>>>> you sit in your lonely apartment? I want to get into your pants.
>>>> (Yes I do, yes I do, yes I do...)

While I understand the phrase, the literalist in me can't help thinking
that the pants aren't the interesting part.

/dps

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Athel Cornish-Bowden
2018-05-17 06:43:08 UTC
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On 2018-05-17 06:25:23 +0000, Snidely said:

> On Sunday, Athel Cornish-Bowden exclaimed wildly:
>> On 2018-05-13 17:41:33 +0000, musika said:
>>
>>> On 13/05/2018 16:59, HVS wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:56:11 +0100, HVS
>>>> <***@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 01:25:25 +1000, Peter Moylan
>>>>>> Twenty-four years waiting for the chance To tell her that I love
>>>>>> her, maybe get into her pants.
>>>>
>>>>> Tennis me of this one :
>>>>
>>>> Or even *reminds* me of...
>>>
>>> I spent ages trying to work out what the pun was!
>>
>> I didn't spend ages, but I was also mystified.
>
> Poet laureate, wasn't he? What's it all about, Alfie?

I didn't write that.
>
>>>>> Where do you go to, my lovely When you come home from the dance? Do
>>>>> you sit in your lonely apartment? I want to get into your pants.
>>>>> (Yes I do, yes I do, yes I do...)

Nor that.
>
> While I understand the phrase, the literalist in me can't help thinking
> that the pants aren't the interesting part.


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athel
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2018-05-17 19:58:37 UTC
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On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:43:13 PM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2018-05-17 06:25:23 +0000, Snidely said:
>
> > On Sunday, Athel Cornish-Bowden exclaimed wildly:
> >> On 2018-05-13 17:41:33 +0000, musika said:
> >>
> >>> On 13/05/2018 16:59, HVS wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:56:11 +0100, HVS
> >>>> <***@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 01:25:25 +1000, Peter Moylan
> >>>>>> Twenty-four years waiting for the chance To tell her that I love
> >>>>>> her, maybe get into her pants.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Tennis me of this one :
> >>>>
> >>>> Or even *reminds* me of...
> >>>
> >>> I spent ages trying to work out what the pun was!
> >>
> >> I didn't spend ages, but I was also mystified.
> >
> > Poet laureate, wasn't he? What's it all about, Alfie?
>
> I didn't write that.

What, you didn't write the line I wrote?

(the line before came from Message-ID: <***@news.albasani.net>)


> >
> >>>>> Where do you go to, my lovely When you come home from the dance? Do
> >>>>> you sit in your lonely apartment? I want to get into your pants.
> >>>>> (Yes I do, yes I do, yes I do...)
>
> Nor that.

No attributions were harmed in the making of my post.

> > While I understand the phrase, the literalist in me can't help thinking
> > that the pants aren't the interesting part.

/dps
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2018-05-19 14:32:44 UTC
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On 2018-05-17 19:58:37 +0000, ***@gmail.com said:

> On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:43:13 PM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2018-05-17 06:25:23 +0000, Snidely said:
>>
>>> On Sunday, Athel Cornish-Bowden exclaimed wildly:
>>>> On 2018-05-13 17:41:33 +0000, musika said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 13/05/2018 16:59, HVS wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:56:11 +0100, HVS
>>>>>> <***@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 01:25:25 +1000, Peter Moylan
>>>>>>>> Twenty-four years waiting for the chance To tell her that I love
>>>>>>>> her, maybe get into her pants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tennis me of this one :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or even *reminds* me of...
>>>>>
>>>>> I spent ages trying to work out what the pun was!
>>>>
>>>> I didn't spend ages, but I was also mystified.
>>>
>>> Poet laureate, wasn't he? What's it all about, Alfie?
>>
>> I didn't write that.
>
> What, you didn't write the line I wrote?
>
> (the line before came from Message-ID:
> <***@news.albasani.net>)

I wrote "I didn't spend ages, but I was also mystified". I didn't write
"Poet laureate, wasn't he? What's it all about, Alfie?" You did.



>>>
>>>>>>> Where do you go to, my lovely When you come home from the dance? Do
>>>>>>> you sit in your lonely apartment? I want to get into your pants.
>>>>>>> (Yes I do, yes I do, yes I do...)
>>
>> Nor that.
>
> No attributions were harmed in the making of my post.
>
>>> While I understand the phrase, the literalist in me can't help thinking
>>> that the pants aren't the interesting part.
>
> /dps


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Snidely
2018-05-21 07:32:55 UTC
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Lo, on the 5/19/2018, Athel Cornish-Bowden did proclaim ...
> On 2018-05-17 19:58:37 +0000, ***@gmail.com said:
>
>> On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:43:13 PM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>> wrote:
>>> On 2018-05-17 06:25:23 +0000, Snidely said:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, Athel Cornish-Bowden exclaimed wildly:
>>>>> On 2018-05-13 17:41:33 +0000, musika said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 16:59, HVS wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:56:11 +0100, HVS
>>>>>>> <***@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 01:25:25 +1000, Peter Moylan
>>>>>>>>> Twenty-four years waiting for the chance To tell her that I love
>>>>>>>>> her, maybe get into her pants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tennis me of this one :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or even *reminds* me of...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I spent ages trying to work out what the pun was!
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't spend ages, but I was also mystified.
>>>>
>>>> Poet laureate, wasn't he? What's it all about, Alfie?
>>>
>>> I didn't write that.
>>
>> What, you didn't write the line I wrote?
>>
>> (the line before came from Message-ID:
>> <***@news.albasani.net>)
>
> I wrote "I didn't spend ages, but I was also mystified". I didn't write "Poet
> laureate, wasn't he? What's it all about, Alfie?" You did.

Yes, I did. Did anyone doubt that?

>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you go to, my lovely When you come home from the dance? Do
>>>>>>>> you sit in your lonely apartment? I want to get into your pants.
>>>>>>>> (Yes I do, yes I do, yes I do...)
>>>
>>> Nor that.
>>
>> No attributions were harmed in the making of my post.
>>
>>>> While I understand the phrase, the literalist in me can't help thinking
>>>> that the pants aren't the interesting part.
>>
>> /dps

^^^^ me

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Tak To
2018-05-13 14:58:15 UTC
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On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:24:09 -0400, micky <***@bigfoot.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In alt.usage.english, on Sat, 12 May 2018 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT), David
>> Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?
>>
>> Other than a horse's name or a book's name, it's hard to find an
>> example. Google aforethought -malice .
>
> Are you saying Malice Doesn't Live Here Anymore?

Someone better makes sure; or else there might be a defamation
suit.

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2018-05-13 21:40:45 UTC
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On 13-May-18 5:18, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:24:09 -0400, micky <***@bigfoot.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In alt.usage.english, on Sat, 12 May 2018 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT), David
>> Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?
>>
>> Other than a horse's name or a book's name, it's hard to find an
>> example. Google aforethought -malice .
>
> Are you saying Malice Doesn't Live Here Anymore?
>
It may be infectious.

Christopher Robin went down with Malice.

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Garrett Wollman
2018-05-13 02:38:41 UTC
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In article <68cbb1cc-fb68-4222-8d48-***@googlegroups.com>,
David Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?

Google Ngram suggests that "aforethought" is slightly more frequent
than "malice aforethought" but I didn't check to see if this was
artifactual. I briefly looked at COCA but gave up before figuring out
how to search it. (It apparently requires some sort of login, at
least if you use corpora.byu.edu's search interface.)

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Jerry Friedman
2018-05-13 03:34:36 UTC
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On 5/12/18 8:38 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article <68cbb1cc-fb68-4222-8d48-***@googlegroups.com>,
> David Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?
>
> Google Ngram suggests that "aforethought" is slightly more frequent
> than "malice aforethought" but I didn't check to see if this was
> artifactual. I briefly looked at COCA but gave up before figuring out
> how to search it. (It apparently requires some sort of login, at
> least if you use corpora.byu.edu's search interface.)

Yes, after a few searches you have to get a log-in. I doubt they're a
source of spam. Also, it will start asking you for money.

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2018-05-14 20:06:54 UTC
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* Garrett Wollman:

> In article <68cbb1cc-fb68-4222-8d48-***@googlegroups.com>,
> David Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?
>
> Google Ngram suggests that "aforethought" is slightly more frequent
> than "malice aforethought" but I didn't check to see if this was
> artifactual. I briefly looked at COCA but gave up before figuring out
> how to search it. (It apparently requires some sort of login, at
> least if you use corpora.byu.edu's search interface.)

KWIC & sort by immediate left neighbor did the job well. I got 51
results, of which a handful had other left neighbors than "malice".

There's "benevolence a.", "callous a.", "knowledge a.", "planning a.",
"plans a." and "good will a." The rest have "malice" or "malicious" as
a close, not necessarily immediate left neighbor (e.g. "malicious, as
with direct aforethought").

So, in COCA, roughly 90% are preceded by "malice".

One of the hits was "Mallets Aforethought". There are a few other
parodistic titles like this in the Google results (Phallus, Malus, and,
yes, Alice),

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Dr. Jai Maharaj
2018-05-13 22:21:53 UTC
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In article
<68cbb1cc-fb68-4222-8d48-***@googlegroups.com>,
David Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?

"I charge you with contempt of conscience! Self-perjury.
Kindness aforethought. Sentimentality in the first degree."
-- Inherit the Wind.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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Colonel Edmund J. Burke
2018-05-14 14:25:06 UTC
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On 5/13/2018 3:21 PM, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> In article
> <68cbb1cc-fb68-4222-8d48-***@googlegroups.com>,
> David Kleinecke <***@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>> Is "aforethought" ever used anywhere except after "malice"?
>
> "I charge you with contempt of conscience! Self-perjury.
> Kindness aforethought. Sentimentality in the first degree."
> -- Inherit the Wind.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
> http://bit.do/jaimaharaj
>

I don't think I've ever used it, to be quite frank.
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