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Tony Cooper
2021-04-30 16:07:44 UTC
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Read in today's "Politico" report:

“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”

A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.

"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.

I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.

But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
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Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Rich Ulrich
2021-04-30 17:07:05 UTC
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:07:44 -0400, Tony Cooper
“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
I've like the word "salience" for a long time, but I usually find
some other word I would rather use.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
I think that the writer sees something happening, but has mis-
identified it. Politics and the presidency remain salient.

Biden has lowered the temperature of the debate.

On the one hand, he is not firing off heated condemnations.

On the other hand, he seems to be an elusive target, to the
extent that Republicans are swinging at imaginary targets
like the Dr Seuss publishers and "banning meat" instead of
arguing against policy.
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Rich Ulrich
soup
2021-04-30 17:53:16 UTC
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“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
I think it is more from the same root as salient ie thinking/aware (as
in life forms ) so salience (to my mind ) is more likely to be self
aware/ intelligent.
Jerry Friedman
2021-04-30 17:58:10 UTC
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Post by soup
“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
I think it is more from the same root as salient ie thinking/aware (as
in life forms ) so salience (to my mind ) is more likely to be self
aware/ intelligent.
I think you're mixing up "salient" and "sapient".
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Jerry Friedman
soup
2021-05-01 08:41:22 UTC
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Post by soup
“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
I think it is more from the same root as salient ie thinking/aware (as
in life forms ) so salience (to my mind ) is more likely to be self
aware/ intelligent.
I think you're mixing up "salient" and "sapient".
Ooops yeah, soz
Snidely
2021-05-28 07:47:22 UTC
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“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
I think it is more from the same root as salient ie thinking/aware (as
in life forms ) so salience (to my mind ) is more likely to be self
aware/ intelligent.
I think you're mixing up "salient" and "sapient".
Ooops yeah, soz
I am most familiar with "salient" from stories where "sappers" might be
employed (18th-19th Century international fisticuffs with black
powder).

/dps
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"That’s where I end with this kind of conversation: Language is
crucial, and yet not the answer."
Jonathan Rosa, sociocultural and linguistic anthropologist,
Stanford.,2020
J. J. Lodder
2021-05-28 09:46:48 UTC
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Post by Jerry Friedman
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"More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics."
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
I think it is more from the same root as salient ie thinking/aware (as
in life forms ) so salience (to my mind ) is more likely to be self
aware/ intelligent.
I think you're mixing up "salient" and "sapient".
Ooops yeah, soz
I am most familiar with "salient" from stories where "sappers" might be
employed (18th-19th Century international fisticuffs with black
powder).
And more of it in WWI and WWII,
Ypres, Tobruk, and many more,

Jan
Sam Plusnet
2021-05-28 20:29:14 UTC
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Post by Snidely
I am most familiar with "salient" from stories where "sappers" might be
employed (18th-19th Century international fisticuffs with black powder).
Salient is a redoubtable word.
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Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
J. J. Lodder
2021-05-29 08:01:41 UTC
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Post by Snidely
I am most familiar with "salient" from stories where "sappers" might be
employed (18th-19th Century international fisticuffs with black powder).
Salient is a redoubtable word.
Spring forward is certainly followed by fall back,

Jan

Quinn C
2021-05-28 21:00:19 UTC
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Post by Snidely
I am most familiar with "salient" from stories where "sappers" might be
employed (18th-19th Century international fisticuffs with black
powder).
Fighting with sap gloves?
--
- It's the title search for the Rachel property.
Guess who owns it?
- Tell me it's not that bastard Donald Trump.
-- Gilmore Girls, S02E08 (2001)
Jerry Friedman
2021-04-30 18:00:49 UTC
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“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
I think it's more a lowered noticeability. Fewer people are taking notice
of Biden, for the reasons you mentioned.
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Jerry Friedman
soup
2021-05-01 09:05:58 UTC
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“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
So Biden is lowering the importance/notability of Politics
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address,
Or maybe it was because they are fed up of MrB 'misspeaking' all the time.
and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
The man who has repeatedly said don't watch the television it is all
fake news has made viewing figures the yard stick ?
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
BYW Trump is now just a private citizen (ok with security etc) .
So why do you think he is worthy of mention?
Chrysi Cat
2021-05-01 10:06:12 UTC
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Post by soup
“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used.  One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
So Biden is lowering the importance/notability of Politics
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address,
Or maybe it was because they are fed up of MrB 'misspeaking' all the time.
and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus.   Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
The man who has repeatedly said don't watch the television it is all
fake news has made viewing figures the yard stick ?
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
BYW Trump is now just a private citizen (ok with security etc) .
So why do you think he is worthy of mention?
If you don't think that the guy who, if he ever gets back into office,
will follow Evo Morales's lead and arrest the outgoing president (and
vice president if Biden were to survive until 2025) as a usurper; then I
don't know what to tell you.

Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
until such time as he's in the ground.

The only questions are whether you think that qualifies as a one-party
STATE, or if it doesn't because "Washington coordinates low-level
international relations for fifty separate nation-states"; and whether
you think that said one-party arrangement is a good or a terrible thing.
Your comment tells us all which side you're on; mine tells YOU that if
Trump is restored, I'll die in prison.
--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
soup
2021-05-01 10:52:53 UTC
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On 01/05/2021 11:06, Chrysi Cat wrote:

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Post by Chrysi Cat
mine tells YOU that if
Trump is restored, I'll die in prison.
"I will die for my beliefs ".

Why die? Let the other ****** die for his/her beliefs .
Chrysi Cat
2021-05-01 10:55:17 UTC
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<HUGE cut>
 mine tells YOU that if Trump is restored, I'll die in prison.
"I will die for my beliefs ".
Why die?  Let the other ****** die for his/her beliefs .
Who would willingly die for them?

I'm not one of those. I AM saying that I've said enough that would be
considered incriminating by a restored Trump regime to imprison me for
life if your side ever wins.
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Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
soup
2021-05-01 14:13:37 UTC
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Post by soup
<HUGE cut>
 mine tells YOU that if Trump is restored, I'll die in prison.
"I will die for my beliefs ".
Why die?  Let the other ****** die for his/her beliefs .
Who would willingly die for them?
I'm not one of those. I AM saying that I've said enough that would be
considered incriminating by a restored Trump regime to imprison me for
life if your side ever wins.
MY side, methinks you've got me wrong .
I am not on a side I don't like Trump I don't like Biden but of the
two... and as for Harris, whom I think will be in charge soon (when
Biden dies or is declared "Non compos mentis") she really frightens me.
soup
2021-05-02 08:59:48 UTC
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Post by soup
<HUGE cut>
 mine tells YOU that if Trump is restored, I'll die in prison.
"I will die for my beliefs ".
Why die?  Let the other ****** die for his/her beliefs .
Who would willingly die for them?
I'm not one of those. I AM saying that I've said enough that would be
considered incriminating by a restored Trump regime to imprison me for
life if your side ever win
Killed ! Don't you think you are being ever so slightly dramatic.
You remind me of Mike Corley (MI5 Victim) who goes on and on and on
and... about how MI5 want to kill him if they wanted him dead do you
think he would still be able to spout about it after 30 years
Lewis
2021-05-02 13:26:32 UTC
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Post by Chrysi Cat
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<HUGE cut>
 mine tells YOU that if Trump is restored, I'll die in prison.
"I will die for my beliefs ".
Why die?  Let the other ****** die for his/her beliefs .
Who would willingly die for them?
I'm not one of those. I AM saying that I've said enough that would be
considered incriminating by a restored Trump regime to imprison me for
life if your side ever win
Killed ! Don't you think you are being ever so slightly dramatic.
I don't. It a Trump ever takes over the government the first thing that
will happen is rounding up all the dissenters. I'm sure Jared has
already made arrangements for the cattle cars.
Post by soup
You remind me of Mike Corley (MI5 Victim) who goes on and on and on
and... about how MI5 want to kill him if they wanted him dead do you
think he would still be able to spout about it after 30 years
He obviously thinks talking about it publicly is holding them at bay
(but I have no idea who that is).
--
'They say that whoever pays the piper calls the tune.' 'But,
gentlemen,' said Mr Saveloy, 'whoever holds a knife to the
piper's throat writes the symphony.' --Interesting Times
Sam Plusnet
2021-05-02 19:26:04 UTC
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Post by soup
Post by Chrysi Cat
Post by soup
<HUGE cut>
 mine tells YOU that if Trump is restored, I'll die in prison.
"I will die for my beliefs ".
Why die?  Let the other ****** die for his/her beliefs .
Who would willingly die for them?
I'm not one of those. I AM saying that I've said enough that would be
considered incriminating by a restored Trump regime to imprison me for
life if your side ever win
Killed ! Don't you think you are being ever so slightly dramatic.
I don't. It a Trump ever takes over the government the first thing that
will happen is rounding up all the dissenters. I'm sure Jared has
already made arrangements for the cattle cars.
No no. They would need all those dissenters to carry the blame for
everything which goes wrong.
Post by Lewis
Post by soup
You remind me of Mike Corley (MI5 Victim) who goes on and on and on
and... about how MI5 want to kill him if they wanted him dead do you
think he would still be able to spout about it after 30 years
He obviously thinks talking about it publicly is holding them at bay
(but I have no idea who that is).
Mike Corley has been posting about MI5's mistreatment for decades. If
they really wanted to deal with him they could subcontract the Russian
FSB since they seem the market leaders in this kind of thing.
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Mack A. Damia
2021-05-02 21:27:37 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by soup
Post by Chrysi Cat
Post by soup
<HUGE cut>
 mine tells YOU that if Trump is restored, I'll die in prison.
"I will die for my beliefs ".
Why die?  Let the other ****** die for his/her beliefs .
Who would willingly die for them?
I'm not one of those. I AM saying that I've said enough that would be
considered incriminating by a restored Trump regime to imprison me for
life if your side ever win
Killed ! Don't you think you are being ever so slightly dramatic.
I don't. It a Trump ever takes over the government the first thing that
will happen is rounding up all the dissenters. I'm sure Jared has
already made arrangements for the cattle cars.
No no. They would need all those dissenters to carry the blame for
everything which goes wrong.
The private Florida firm in Arizona doing the *third* audit of the
ballots in Maricopa County is about to announce that Trump won
Arizona. The first three audits supported Biden as the winner. Lots
of stink about it.

Arizona state Senate Republicans have hired a little-known
Florida-based firm called Cyber Ninjas to run the audit, a decision
that critics say is a red flag. No transparency. The CEO of the
company is a die hard trumpster and has been tweeting the Big Lie and
conspiracy theories even before the audit started.

Trump has been in touch with the CEO on a daily basis and is fixated
on the recount. All they have to do is report that there was
widespread fraud, and Trump will say, "See? I told you so".

Problem is that it could spread to other states, not that Biden is in
jeopardy, but it undermines the democratic voting process.

Seventy percent of Republicans believe the Big Lie.
David Kleinecke
2021-05-03 00:13:20 UTC
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This is OT but I feel I must tell some one:

Biden faces a problem in paying for his plans. I think
Trump showed him how. Tariffs. Trump raised tariffs
without the approval of congress. All Biden need do is
raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that
happens to people in the US is the price of imports
goes up 25%. Rich people buy more imports than
poor people and US businesses gets a nice boost.
Win-win!
Mack A. Damia
2021-05-03 01:20:53 UTC
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On Sun, 2 May 2021 17:13:20 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
Post by David Kleinecke
Biden faces a problem in paying for his plans. I think
Trump showed him how. Tariffs. Trump raised tariffs
without the approval of congress. All Biden need do is
raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that
happens to people in the US is the price of imports
goes up 25%. Rich people buy more imports than
poor people and US businesses gets a nice boost.
Win-win!
Unlike Trump, Biden is the consummate politician. He may have to
compromise and lower his sights a little, but he will get his plans
passed one way or another.
soup
2021-05-03 05:56:31 UTC
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On Sun, 2 May 2021 17:13:20 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
Post by David Kleinecke
Biden faces a problem in paying for his plans. I think
Trump showed him how. Tariffs. Trump raised tariffs
without the approval of congress. All Biden need do is
raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that
happens to people in the US is the price of imports
goes up 25%. Rich people buy more imports than
poor people and US businesses gets a nice boost.
Win-win!
Unlike Trump, Biden is the consummate politician. He may have to
compromise and lower his sights a little, but he will get his plans
passed one way or another.
"Compromise and lower his sights", when Trump did that, over his
'wall'(unachievable in my mind),he was 'letting the voters down' and
'backtracking' yet when Biden does
it he shows 'political nous'

If Biden is such the "consummate politician" How is he now going to
'correct all the mistakes' in Washington when he has been in Washington
47years.

Still think Trump is a P.O.S. but someone who isn't really a
politician versus someone who got the U.S.A. in this state (over 47
years)...

Remember "it doesn't matter who you vote for the government wins.
Mack A. Damia
2021-05-03 15:08:27 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
On Sun, 2 May 2021 17:13:20 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
Post by David Kleinecke
Biden faces a problem in paying for his plans. I think
Trump showed him how. Tariffs. Trump raised tariffs
without the approval of congress. All Biden need do is
raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that
happens to people in the US is the price of imports
goes up 25%. Rich people buy more imports than
poor people and US businesses gets a nice boost.
Win-win!
Unlike Trump, Biden is the consummate politician. He may have to
compromise and lower his sights a little, but he will get his plans
passed one way or another.
"Compromise and lower his sights", when Trump did that, over his
'wall'(unachievable in my mind),he was 'letting the voters down' and
'backtracking' yet when Biden does
it he shows 'political nous'
Trump did that? He stole money from the military to build his wall.
The money has been recently returned to them. He never compromised,
and he always claimed that Mexico would pay for it. That captured many
an ignorant mind.
Post by soup
If Biden is such the "consummate politician" How is he now going to
'correct all the mistakes' in Washington when he has been in Washington
47years.
He is not going to correct ALL the mistakes in Washington, but he has
already reversed many of Trump's executive orders, and he's doing a
pretty good job so far. Approval ratings are good.
Post by soup
Still think Trump is a P.O.S. but someone who isn't really a
politician versus someone who got the U.S.A. in this state (over 47
years)...
In what state? That Trump was elected and tried to establish a
dictatorship? I blame U.S. education starting with the Reagan years.
Republicans from red states got together and said, "Let's keep them
stupid, and they will believe anything.
Post by soup
Remember "it doesn't matter who you vote for the government wins.
Fortunately, I am a military war veteran - a win-win situation no
matter who has the reins.
Peter Moylan
2021-05-03 02:30:14 UTC
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Post by David Kleinecke
Biden faces a problem in paying for his plans. I think
Trump showed him how. Tariffs. Trump raised tariffs
without the approval of congress. All Biden need do is
raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that
happens to people in the US is the price of imports
goes up 25%. Rich people buy more imports than
poor people and US businesses gets a nice boost.
Win-win!
It would probably violate a few trade treaties, though.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Graham
2021-05-03 04:24:48 UTC
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Post by David Kleinecke
Biden faces a problem in paying for his plans. I think
Trump showed him how. Tariffs. Trump raised tariffs
without the approval of congress. All Biden need do is
raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that
happens to people in the US is the price of imports
goes up 25%. Rich people buy more imports than
poor people and US businesses gets a nice boost.
Win-win!
It would probably violate a few trade treaties, though.
When has the US bothered to honour trade treaties? They ignore them when
it suits them.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2021-05-03 11:50:17 UTC
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Post by David Kleinecke
Biden faces a problem in paying for his plans. I think
Trump showed him how. Tariffs. Trump raised tariffs
without the approval of congress. All Biden need do is
raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that
happens to people in the US is the price of imports
goes up 25%. Rich people buy more imports than
poor people and US businesses gets a nice boost.
Win-win!
It would probably violate a few trade treaties, though.
When has the US bothered to honour trade treaties?
or any sort of treaties,for that matter?
Post by Graham
They ignore them when it suits them.
--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-03 15:14:12 UTC
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Post by David Kleinecke
Biden faces a problem in paying for his plans. I think
Trump showed him how. Tariffs. Trump raised tariffs
without the approval of congress. All Biden need do is
raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that
happens to people in the US is the price of imports
goes up 25%. Rich people buy more imports than
poor people and US businesses gets a nice boost.
Win-win!
McConnell got us into this, by enacting the tax cut for the rich
without ensuring that the benefit wouldn't go to no one but the
top executives and major shareholders -- and by failing to do
any of the "infrastructure" things they had been promising since
2015.

If they had done "infrastructure" beginning on 21 Jan 2017,
there would have been four fewer years of infrastructure decay
to try to make up for.

And if that other P.O.S Chris Christie hadn't canceled the rail tunnel
under the Hudson -- after a great deal of land acquisition and demolition
had already been done -- the Northeast Corridor rail system would
be in a lot better shape than it is post-Sandy.
Sam Plusnet
2021-05-03 19:09:51 UTC
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Post by David Kleinecke
Biden faces a problem in paying for his plans. I think
Trump showed him how. Tariffs. Trump raised tariffs
without the approval of congress. All Biden need do is
raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that
happens to people in the US is the price of imports
goes up 25%. Rich people buy more imports than
poor people and US businesses gets a nice boost.
Win-win!
All the other countries raise tariffs against US goods in response.
And then...

What you need now are a Senator & a Representative called "Smoot" and
"Hawley". I'm fairly sure you already have the latter.
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-03 20:39:34 UTC
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Post by David Kleinecke
Biden faces a problem in paying for his plans. I think
Trump showed him how. Tariffs. Trump raised tariffs
without the approval of congress. All Biden need do is
raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that
happens to people in the US is the price of imports
goes up 25%. Rich people buy more imports than
poor people and US businesses gets a nice boost.
Win-win!
All the other countries raise tariffs against US goods in response.
And then...
What the Lesser Pumpkin failed to grasp is that tariffs hurt the
country that imposes them, not the country that sells the goods.
Post by Sam Plusnet
What you need now are a Senator & a Representative called "Smoot" and
"Hawley". I'm fairly sure you already have the latter.
Hopefully soon to be gone. Even the R's have a problem with him.
Peter Moylan
2021-05-04 02:38:51 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
This is OT but I feel I must tell some one: Biden faces a problem
in paying for his plans. I think Trump showed him how. Tariffs.
Trump raised tariffs without the approval of congress. All Biden
need do is raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that happens to
people in the US is the price of imports goes up 25%. Rich people
buy more imports than poor people and US businesses gets a nice
boost. Win-win!
All the other countries raise tariffs against US goods in
response. And then...
What the Lesser Pumpkin failed to grasp is that tariffs hurt the
country that imposes them, not the country that sells the goods.
It's more complicated than that.

China is currently trying to "punish" Australia by blocking imports of
Australian products. This is having a severe effect on the Australian
economy, which is based in part on selling a lot of stuff to China.

A simple example: the tariff on Australian wine has been set so high as
to make the wine unaffordable in China. As a result, Australian wine
producers are in deep shit unless they can increase their sales to other
countries.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-04 13:55:45 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
This is OT but I feel I must tell some one: Biden faces a problem
in paying for his plans. I think Trump showed him how. Tariffs.
Trump raised tariffs without the approval of congress. All Biden
need do is raise tariffs to get enough money. Perhaps a 25%
tariff on all imports would bring in enough. All that happens to
people in the US is the price of imports goes up 25%. Rich people
buy more imports than poor people and US businesses gets a nice
boost. Win-win!
All the other countries raise tariffs against US goods in
response. And then...
What the Lesser Pumpkin failed to grasp is that tariffs hurt the
country that imposes them, not the country that sells the goods.
It's more complicated than that.
China is currently trying to "punish" Australia by blocking imports of
Australian products. This is having a severe effect on the Australian
economy, which is based in part on selling a lot of stuff to China.
A simple example: the tariff on Australian wine has been set so high as
to make the wine unaffordable in China. As a result, Australian wine
producers are in deep shit unless they can increase their sales to other
countries.
We don't tend to get luxury goods from China, so it's not really parallel.
I gather that Australian wines are pretty good.
Madhu
2021-05-04 16:43:24 UTC
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We don't tend to get luxury goods from China, so it's not really
parallel. I gather that Australian wines are pretty good.
Probably only the expensive ones.
bil...@shaw.ca
2021-05-04 19:38:30 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
We don't tend to get luxury goods from China, so it's not really
parallel. I gather that Australian wines are pretty good.
Probably only the expensive ones.
Actually, Australia, along with South Africa, Chile and Argentina, produces
reasonably drinkable budget-priced wines. I can't judge their expensive
ones because I can't afford them, but Australia is one of the more successful
producers of inexpensive wines, in my experience.

bill
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2021-05-03 11:48:45 UTC
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<HUGE cut>
 mine tells YOU that if Trump is restored, I'll die in prison.
"I will die for my beliefs ".
Why die?  Let the other ****** die for his/her beliefs .
Who would willingly die for them?
I'm not one of those. I AM saying that I've said enough that would be
considered incriminating by a restored Trump regime to imprison me for
life if your side ever win
Killed ! Don't you think you are being ever so slightly dramatic.
I don't. It a Trump ever takes over the government the first thing that
will happen is rounding up all the dissenters. I'm sure Jared has
already made arrangements for the cattle cars.
No no. They would need all those dissenters to carry the blame for
everything which goes wrong.
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Post by soup
You remind me of Mike Corley (MI5 Victim) who goes on and on and on
and... about how MI5 want to kill him if they wanted him dead do you
think he would still be able to spout about it after 30 years
He obviously thinks talking about it publicly is holding them at bay
(but I have no idea who that is).
Mike Corley has been posting about MI5's mistreatment for decades. If
they really wanted to deal with him they could subcontract the Russian
FSB since they seem the market leaders in this kind of thing.
If MI5 wanted me dead I'd be dead.
--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years
Stefan Ram
2021-05-01 18:18:48 UTC
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Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Ken Blake
2021-05-01 19:04:38 UTC
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Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
--
Ken
Stefan Ram
2021-05-01 19:10:15 UTC
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Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
Yes, the GOP.
Ken Blake
2021-05-01 21:45:46 UTC
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Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
Yes, the GOP.
Maybe I didn't make what I said clear. Rep Partay was a pun on Rep Party
and also Repartee.
--
Ken
Stefan Ram
2021-05-01 21:59:11 UTC
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Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
Yes, the GOP.
Maybe I didn't make what I said clear. Rep Partay was a pun on Rep Party
and also Repartee.
Puns? No, I don't get puns.

(Don't waste your time: There /is/ no hidden pun in that.
It's just plain speech. I also don't do puns!)
Lewis
2021-05-02 06:58:25 UTC
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Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
Yes, the GOP.
Maybe I didn't make what I said clear. Rep Partay was a pun on Rep Party
and also Repartee.
Puns? No, I don't get puns.
Well, that explains a lot.
--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"Um, I think so, Brain, but I hear Hillary is the jealous type."
Chrysi Cat
2021-05-02 07:46:20 UTC
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Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
Yes, the GOP.
Maybe I didn't make what I said clear. Rep Partay was a pun on Rep Party
and also Repartee.
Puns? No, I don't get puns.
Well, that explains a lot.
And it's honestly strange.

German isn't that much of a less-punny language than English, largely
because it's homonym-free COMPARED TO ENGLISH (thanks in part to the
English adopting MANY more loanwords as colonial overlords, but also
because a Romance vocabulary was never lain down nearly so thickly atop
the Germanic substrate in the HRE or the Hanseatic League as the Normans
did in the British Isles), but NOT when compared to most languages
outside the Centum continuum [Japanese, and to an extent Chinese (via an
intentional mis-tone), being exceptions, and the only non-Indo-European
exceptions I can readily think of at that].

Is he on "The Spectrum"? Well, so am I and if anything I'm MORE prone to
punning.

So where's our ACTUAL explanation here?
--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
Quinn C
2021-05-02 13:13:20 UTC
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Post by Lewis
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Post by Stefan Ram
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Stefan Ram
Post by Chrysi Cat
Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
Yes, the GOP.
Maybe I didn't make what I said clear. Rep Partay was a pun on Rep Party
and also Repartee.
Puns? No, I don't get puns.
Well, that explains a lot.
And it's honestly strange.
German isn't that much of a less-punny language than English, largely
because it's homonym-free COMPARED TO ENGLISH (thanks in part to the
English adopting MANY more loanwords as colonial overlords, but also
because a Romance vocabulary was never lain down nearly so thickly atop
the Germanic substrate in the HRE or the Hanseatic League as the Normans
did in the British Isles),
German has a distinct aversion to homonyms. I have a "dictionary of
extinct words", listing words that fell out of use fairly recently, in
the last 300 years or so. It's based on someone's PhD thesis, where they
tried to find patterns of reasons for words dying off, and by far the
most common reason found was homonymy.
Post by Chrysi Cat
Is he on "The Spectrum"?
Might well be, given some of his other unusual behaviors.
Post by Chrysi Cat
Well, so am I and if anything I'm MORE prone to
punning.
The Spectrum is a place of many colors, innit?
--
... it might be nice to see ourselves reflected in TV shows and
Pride season campaigns, but the cis white men who invented the
gender binary still own the damn mirror.
-- Delilah Friedler at slate.com
Lewis
2021-05-02 13:23:33 UTC
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Is he on "The Spectrum"? Well, so am I and if anything I'm MORE prone to
punning.
Well, then you should know that that spectrum is quite wide and varied.
Post by Chrysi Cat
So where's our ACTUAL explanation here?
A good friend of my father and step-mother who I only met a couple of
times was a very humorless engineer. He never told jokes, and didn't
understand jokes. He was very focused on the engineering job he had had
and then very focused on the programming company he started (writing
plugins for Lotus or Excel or some such). He was a perfectly nice guy,
but very difficult to have a conversation with.

In fact, his lack of understanding of jokes went so far as to often not
even understand relatively common idiomatic speech.

This was before the idea of "The Spectrum" was around, at least as far
as we knew, but spending an hour with him and not talking about
programming was exhausting.
--
He [Carrot] could lead armies, Angua thought. He really could. Some
people have inspired whole countries to great deeds because of
the power of their vision. And so could he. Not because he dreams
about marching hordes, or world domination, or an empire of a
thousand years. Just because he thinks that everyone's really
decent underneath and would get along just fine if only they made
an effort, and he believes that strongly it burns like a flame
that is bigger than he is.
Stefan Ram
2021-05-02 17:31:38 UTC
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So where's our ACTUAL explanation here?
Sometimes, getting a pun requires an extended vocabulary.
My English vocabulary is still much smaller than that of
an average native speaker participating in this group.
Sometimes, it also requires knowledge of some regional or
colloquial idiom. And maybe there needs to be a certain
mindset to pay attention to the possibility that something
might be a pun while reading. When a learner reads, he has
fewer free mental capacities because he still is struggling
to get the basic meaning.
^no line intended

PS: The polar bear from "Shirokuma Cafe" is famous for his
puns. When the penguin orders "seconds" ("okawari"), he
first brings sunflowers ("himawari"), then the daily special
("higawari"), then he split logs ("makiwari") and a water
melon ("suika wari").
Paul Wolff
2021-05-02 18:20:25 UTC
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So where's our ACTUAL explanation here?
Sometimes, getting a pun requires an extended vocabulary.
My English vocabulary is still much smaller than that of
an average native speaker participating in this group.
Sometimes, it also requires knowledge of some regional or
colloquial idiom. And maybe there needs to be a certain
mindset to pay attention to the possibility that something
might be a pun while reading. When a learner reads, he has
fewer free mental capacities because he still is struggling
to get the basic meaning.
^no line intended
Someone could calculate the odds against. We call wandering but
continuous lines of word-spaces 'rivers'; so this one must be a canal.
--
Paul
Peter Moylan
2021-05-01 22:50:00 UTC
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Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
Yes, the GOP.
Maybe I didn't make what I said clear. Rep Partay was a pun on Rep
Party and also Repartee.
I didn't get it because of a pronunciation difference. In these parts
repartee rhymes with cup o' tea.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Tony Cooper
2021-05-02 00:17:03 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Post by Stefan Ram
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Stefan Ram
Post by Chrysi Cat
Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
Yes, the GOP.
Maybe I didn't make what I said clear. Rep Partay was a pun on Rep
Party and also Repartee.
I didn't get it because of a pronunciation difference. In these parts
repartee rhymes with cup o' tea.
The word "partay", is difficult to explain in text. It's not
something you just say. You drag it out in an excited voice saying -
shouting, even - "Let's partaaaaaay!".
--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Sam Plusnet
2021-05-02 01:55:27 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Stefan Ram
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Stefan Ram
Post by Chrysi Cat
Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
Yes, the GOP.
Maybe I didn't make what I said clear. Rep Partay was a pun on Rep
Party and also Repartee.
I didn't get it because of a pronunciation difference. In these parts
repartee rhymes with cup o' tea.
The word "partay", is difficult to explain in text. It's not
something you just say. You drag it out in an excited voice saying -
shouting, even - "Let's partaaaaaay!".
General question: Does "partay" work in other forms of English outside
the US?
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Ken Blake
2021-05-02 17:07:32 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Stefan Ram
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Stefan Ram
Post by Chrysi Cat
Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
Yes, the GOP.
Maybe I didn't make what I said clear. Rep Partay was a pun on Rep
Party and also Repartee.
I didn't get it because of a pronunciation difference. In these parts
repartee rhymes with cup o' tea.
The word "partay", is difficult to explain in text. It's not
something you just say. You drag it out in an excited voice saying -
shouting, even - "Let's partaaaaaay!".
General question: Does "partay" work in other forms of English outside
the US?
In my experience, it doesn't even exist in the US.
--
Ken
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-02 13:38:08 UTC
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Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
Yes, the GOP.
Maybe I didn't make what I said clear. Rep Partay was a pun on Rep
Party and also Repartee.
I didn't get it because of a pronunciation difference. In these parts
repartee rhymes with cup o' tea.
In these parts, too. Possibly Ken's is a spelling-pronunciation based
on his assumption that it remembers its French origin. (Did he take
a position on "chaise lounge"?)

Actually it would have been a better joke -- and Stefan might actually
have gotten it -- if he'd written just "Party," or better "Partee" as in "the
Queen's Navee."
Quinn C
2021-05-02 00:31:13 UTC
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Trump isn't done and he's a clear and present danger to the Dem party
And to the Rep.
Do you mean the Rep Partay?
No, Republicans have no answers.

I often get confused when a Dem. Rep. is quoted.
--
...an explanatory principle - like "gravity" or "instinct" -
really explains nothing. It's a sort of conventional agreement
between scientists to stop trying to explain things at a
certain point. -- Gregory Bateson
Ken Blake
2021-05-01 15:39:27 UTC
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“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
So Biden is lowering the importance/notability of Politics
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address,
Or maybe it was because they are fed up of MrB 'misspeaking' all the time.
and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
The man who has repeatedly said don't watch the television it is all
fake news has made viewing figures the yard stick ?
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
BYW Trump is now just a private citizen (ok with security etc) .
So why do you think he is worthy of mention?
It's the only thing he's worthy of.
--
Ken
Bill Day
2021-05-01 12:22:11 UTC
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“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
I have seen 'salient' used a number of times, as in "It's not salient
to the debate." But I'm not sure I have heard the noun form
'salience'.
It kinda surprises me that I havent.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
--
remove nonsense for reply
CDB
2021-05-01 12:43:47 UTC
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“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less
of political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
Somewhere in a Peter De Vries novel: "She had very salient features".
Paul Wolff
2021-05-01 14:41:52 UTC
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“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less
of political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
Somewhere in a Peter De Vries novel: "She had very salient features".
Still fighting the Battle of the Bulge, perhaps?
--
Paul
CDB
2021-05-02 11:15:36 UTC
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“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency &
politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used.
One definition is "the property of being noticeable or
important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because
the limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result
in less of political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our
yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of
politics or the presidency?
Somewhere in a Peter De Vries novel: "She had very salient
features".
Still fighting the Battle of the Bulge, perhaps?
To the best of my recollection they were facial features. I will admit
that, as I was writing, the question of embonpoint emerged.
--
While I'm recollecting, one of Carol Burnett's funniest scenes evar was
her fight with Geraldine Page in a movie based on De Vries's short novel
"Witch's Milk". The novel is worth reading too.


Madhu
2021-05-02 15:54:15 UTC
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Somewhere in a Peter De Vries novel: "She had very salient
features".
Still fighting the Battle of the Bulge, perhaps?
To the best of my recollection they were facial features. I will admit
that, as I was writing, the question of embonpoint emerged.
^
That doesnt look anything like it sounds
Quinn C
2021-05-02 17:40:44 UTC
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Somewhere in a Peter De Vries novel: "She had very salient
features".
Still fighting the Battle of the Bulge, perhaps?
To the best of my recollection they were facial features. I will admit
that, as I was writing, the question of embonpoint emerged.
^
That doesnt look anything like it sounds
The space doesn't sound silent?
--
I don't see people ... as having a right to be idiots. It's
just impractical to try to stop them, unless they're hurting
somebody. -- Vicereine Cordelia
in L. McMaster Bujold, Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen
CDB
2021-05-03 11:31:18 UTC
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Somewhere in a Peter De Vries novel: "She had very salient
features".
Still fighting the Battle of the Bulge, perhaps?
To the best of my recollection they were facial features. I will
admit that, as I was writing, the question of embonpoint emerged.
^
Post by Madhu
That doesnt look anything like it sounds
It's French, you know. It doesn't exactly mean what I meant, either,
according to a lot of dictionaries -- although Wiktionary does allow
"voluptuousness". I had something like that in mind: "y a du monde au
balcon".
--
Lotta folks on the balcony
Rich Ulrich
2021-05-02 18:53:48 UTC
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“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency &
politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used.
One definition is "the property of being noticeable or
important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because
the limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result
in less of political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our
yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of
politics or the presidency?
Somewhere in a Peter De Vries novel: "She had very salient
features".
Still fighting the Battle of the Bulge, perhaps?
To the best of my recollection they were facial features. I will admit
that, as I was writing, the question of embonpoint emerged.
(Folks unfamiliar with "salient" may be whooshed.)

Google search, Wiki -
"A salient, also known as a bulge, is a battlefield feature that
projects into enemy territory. The salient is surrounded by the
enemy on multiple sides, making the troops occupying the salient
vulnerable."

I posted earlier that I liked the word, but rarely could use it.
- Leaning on the military association - I think of something salient
as being noticeable or important, and also perhaps a bit provocative.
Now that I've looked it up, maybe I will add "vulnerable" to my
mental links.
--
Rich Ulrich
Paul Wolff
2021-05-02 21:35:40 UTC
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Post by CDB
“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used.
One definition is "the property of being noticeable or
important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because
the limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result
in less of political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our
yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of
politics or the presidency?
Somewhere in a Peter De Vries novel: "She had very salient
features".
Still fighting the Battle of the Bulge, perhaps?
To the best of my recollection they were facial features. I will admit
that, as I was writing, the question of embonpoint emerged.
(Folks unfamiliar with "salient" may be whooshed.)
Google search, Wiki -
"A salient, also known as a bulge, is a battlefield feature that
projects into enemy territory. The salient is surrounded by the
enemy on multiple sides, making the troops occupying the salient
vulnerable."
I posted earlier that I liked the word, but rarely could use it.
- Leaning on the military association - I think of something salient
as being noticeable or important, and also perhaps a bit provocative.
Now that I've looked it up, maybe I will add "vulnerable" to my
mental links.
One of the pleasure of a.u.e lies in the freedom to assume some readers
are at least one of intelligent and well-informed.

I've just looked up 'salient' in the dictionary and see it derives from
a Latin word meaning 'leap'. So, standing out: a projection into new
space. Naturally I looked up the figure-skating Salchow jump, but in
vain - it's just named after that eminent Swede, Ulrich Salchow.

To save you the trouble, those foodie sal-words salad, sauce and salsa
all share a common origin with 'salt'. No leaping.
--
Paul
bil...@shaw.ca
2021-05-02 23:41:48 UTC
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“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used.
One definition is "the property of being noticeable or
important.
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because
the limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result
in less of political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our
yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of
politics or the presidency?
Somewhere in a Peter De Vries novel: "She had very salient features".
Still fighting the Battle of the Bulge, perhaps?
To the best of my recollection they were facial features. I will admit
that, as I was writing, the question of embonpoint emerged.
(Folks unfamiliar with "salient" may be whooshed.)
Google search, Wiki -
"A salient, also known as a bulge, is a battlefield feature that
projects into enemy territory. The salient is surrounded by the
enemy on multiple sides, making the troops occupying the salient
vulnerable."
I posted earlier that I liked the word, but rarely could use it.
- Leaning on the military association - I think of something salient
as being noticeable or important, and also perhaps a bit provocative.
Now that I've looked it up, maybe I will add "vulnerable" to my
mental links.
One of the pleasure of a.u.e lies in the freedom to assume some readers
are at least one of intelligent and well-informed.
I've just looked up 'salient' in the dictionary and see it derives from
a Latin word meaning 'leap'. So, standing out: a projection into new
space. Naturally I looked up the figure-skating Salchow jump, but in
vain - it's just named after that eminent Swede, Ulrich Salchow.
To save you the trouble, those foodie sal-words salad, sauce and salsa
all share a common origin with 'salt'. No leaping.
--
I wondered a couple of times in this thread whether "salience" was a mis-grab
by someone looking for "salinity".

bill
Madhu
2021-05-03 04:19:05 UTC
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I've just looked up 'salient' in the dictionary and see it derives
from a Latin word meaning 'leap'. So, standing out: a projection into
new space. Naturally I looked up the figure-skating Salchow jump, but
in vain - it's just named after that eminent Swede, Ulrich Salchow.
Ah I was hoping someone would bring up eminence - which is salience on
the Z axis.
Post by Paul Wolff
To save you the trouble, those foodie sal-words salad, sauce and salsa
all share a common origin with 'salt'. No leaping.
Quinn C
2021-05-03 13:20:42 UTC
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I've just looked up 'salient' in the dictionary and see it derives from
a Latin word meaning 'leap'. So, standing out: a projection into new
space. Naturally I looked up the figure-skating Salchow jump, but in
vain - it's just named after that eminent Swede, Ulrich Salchow.
To save you the trouble, those foodie sal-words salad, sauce and salsa
all share a common origin with 'salt'. No leaping.
But saltimbocca leaps into your mouth.
--
Mrs. Quinn: Is he alright?
Sister Michael: I wouldn't say so, no. He's a priest, like.
-- Derry Girls, series 1, episode 3
Paul Wolff
2021-05-03 15:20:23 UTC
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On Mon, 3 May 2021, at 09:20:42, Quinn C
Post by Quinn C
Post by Paul Wolff
I've just looked up 'salient' in the dictionary and see it derives from
a Latin word meaning 'leap'. So, standing out: a projection into new
space. Naturally I looked up the figure-skating Salchow jump, but in
vain - it's just named after that eminent Swede, Ulrich Salchow.
To save you the trouble, those foodie sal-words salad, sauce and salsa
all share a common origin with 'salt'. No leaping.
But saltimbocca leaps into your mouth.
In bocca al Lupo!
--
Paul
bil...@shaw.ca
2021-05-04 00:25:18 UTC
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Post by Paul Wolff
I've just looked up 'salient' in the dictionary and see it derives from
a Latin word meaning 'leap'. So, standing out: a projection into new
space. Naturally I looked up the figure-skating Salchow jump, but in
vain - it's just named after that eminent Swede, Ulrich Salchow.
To save you the trouble, those foodie sal-words salad, sauce and salsa
all share a common origin with 'salt'. No leaping.
But saltimbocca leaps into your mouth.
While saltine crackers need a hand.

bill
Bebercito
2021-05-28 13:35:26 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Paul Wolff
I've just looked up 'salient' in the dictionary and see it derives from
a Latin word meaning 'leap'. So, standing out: a projection into new
space. Naturally I looked up the figure-skating Salchow jump, but in
vain - it's just named after that eminent Swede, Ulrich Salchow.
To save you the trouble, those foodie sal-words salad, sauce and salsa
all share a common origin with 'salt'. No leaping.
But saltimbocca leaps into your mouth.
And a saltimbanco leaps into the bank?
Post by ***@shaw.ca
While saltine crackers need a hand.
bill
David Kleinecke
2021-05-29 00:08:22 UTC
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Post by Paul Wolff
I've just looked up 'salient' in the dictionary and see it derives from
a Latin word meaning 'leap'. So, standing out: a projection into new
space. Naturally I looked up the figure-skating Salchow jump, but in
vain - it's just named after that eminent Swede, Ulrich Salchow.
To save you the trouble, those foodie sal-words salad, sauce and salsa
all share a common origin with 'salt'. No leaping.
But saltimbocca leaps into your mouth.
While saltine crackers need a hand.
Does Salsipuedes really indicate there is quicksand about.?

At least one hospital is named Salsipuedes (unless they have
changed it recently).
Jerry Friedman
2021-05-03 13:47:31 UTC
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On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:38:25 PM UTC-6, Paul Wolff wrote:
[salience]
Post by Paul Wolff
To save you the trouble, those foodie sal-words salad, sauce and salsa
and sausage
Post by Paul Wolff
all share a common origin with 'salt'. No leaping.
--
Jerry Friedman
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2021-05-01 13:19:45 UTC
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:07:44 -0400, Tony Cooper
“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
The word is new to me,too. However, I guessed that it was related to
"salient" (adj and noun), and therefore "salience" = "salientness".
I think fewer people watched the address because Biden was not
expected to provide the theater of a Trump address, and because the
limited number of the attendees in the chamber would result in less of
political circus. Trump has made TV ratings our yardstick.
But, does that describe evidence of a lowered importance of politics
or the presidency?
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Quinn C
2021-05-01 17:10:52 UTC
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:07:44 -0400, Tony Cooper
“More evidence Biden is lowering salience of presidency & politics.”
A statement made regarding the lower number of people who watched
Biden's address to congress.
"Salience" is not a word I knew or a word I'd ever seen used. One
definition is "the property of being noticeable or important.
The word is new to me,too. However, I guessed that it was related to
"salient" (adj and noun), and therefore "salience" = "salientness".
There's already salience and saliency, I don't think we need yet
another, but of course nobody can stop you.

It's familiar to me from psychological research, including aspects of
language.
--
Oh Sam! You're so funny and insensitive! -- Cat
Stefan Ram
2021-05-01 18:43:16 UTC
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Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
The word is new to me,too. However, I guessed that it was related to
"salient" (adj and noun), and therefore "salience" =3D "salientness".
Back in the noughties there were still fine blogs centered
around cognitive neuroscience, and I read the word there:

|Reassuring people about privacy makes them more, not less,
|concerned. It's called "privacy salience," and Leslie John,
|Alessandro Acquisti, and George Loewenstein -- all at
|Carnegie Mellon University -- demonstrated this in a series
|of clever experiments.
from a blog entry from 2009

|The February edition of the British Journal of Psychiatry has
|a thought-provoking editorial by psychiatrist Jim van Os,
|arguing that we should reject the diagnosis of schizophrenia
|owing to its lack of validity and replace it with a concept
|of a 'salience dysregulation syndrome'.
from a blog entry from 2009

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Stefan Ram
2021-05-01 18:51:18 UTC
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|The February edition of the British Journal of Psychiatry has
|a thought-provoking editorial by psychiatrist Jim van Os,
|arguing that we should reject the diagnosis of schizophrenia
|owing to its lack of validity and replace it with a concept
|of a 'salience dysregulation syndrome'.
from a blog entry from 2009
Since the next paragraph then goes on to explain the term,
let me add this next paragraph:

|If you’re not familiar with the use of the term salience, it
|is used widely in cognitive science to describe the attention
|grabbing quality of things and psychosis is widely thought to
|involve, at least in part, a problem with the regulation of
|salience so normally unremarkable things seem important or
|alarming.

. (Yes, there is no comma before the "and" in the blog entry.)
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