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Peter T. Daniels
2019-10-29 21:51:49 UTC
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During the WNYC pledge drive just now:

" When you make a contribution, you're help assuring ... "
s***@gmail.com
2019-10-30 07:48:49 UTC
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" When you make a contribution, you're help assuring ... "
A one-off, or a recurring construction?

I haven't been keying in on KUSC's pledge drive grammar,
but the live portions (with the hour's countdown)
are clearly more spontaneous than the spiel of the recorded sections.

(Aside from the music samples being recordings)

/dps
Peter T. Daniels
2019-10-30 13:38:40 UTC
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" When you make a contribution, you're help assuring ... "
A one-off, or a recurring construction?
One-off. The pair I reported the other day was one of each.
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I haven't been keying in on KUSC's pledge drive grammar,
but the live portions (with the hour's countdown)
are clearly more spontaneous than the spiel of the recorded sections.
(Aside from the music samples being recordings)
There was another curious one this morning, but less memorable.

I'll again complain about NPR's use of "reporting" to mean "investigating."
"During my reporting I learned that ...."
Jack
2019-10-31 05:29:45 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
" When you make a contribution, you're help assuring ... "
Maybe it's a typo or an incomplete edit of another phrase, rather than
a novel grammatical feature.

'you help to assure'
'your help i
Peter T. Daniels
2019-10-31 13:49:22 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
" When you make a contribution, you're help assuring ... "
Maybe it's a typo or an incomplete edit of another phrase, rather than
a novel grammatical feature.
An oral typo?
Post by Jack
'you help to assure'
'your help in assuring'
'you're helping assure'
It was obviously an error for the last.

Linguists take note of speech errors. They can reveal underlying
"processes" involved in producing sentences, since the production
process itself cannot be observed.
Jack
2019-10-31 16:40:00 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
" When you make a contribution, you're help assuring ... "
Maybe it's a typo or an incomplete edit of another phrase, rather than
a novel grammatical feature.
An oral typo?
Ok, a speako. How did you know that "'you're" was spoken, rather than
"your"?
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Post by Jack
'you help to assure'
'your help in assuring'
'you're helping assure'
It was obviously an error for the last.
Linguists take note of speech errors. They can reveal underlying
"processes" involved in producing sentences, since the production
process itself cannot be observed.
How is it obvious that the scramble in the delivery started from
'you're helping assure', uninfluenced by other possible combinations
of the words that you've reported?

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Peter T. Daniels
2019-10-31 16:57:03 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
" When you make a contribution, you're help assuring ... "
Maybe it's a typo or an incomplete edit of another phrase, rather than
a novel grammatical feature.
An oral typo?
Ok, a speako. How did you know that "'you're" was spoken, rather than
"your"?
Because there wouldn't be a way to continue such a sentence?

"When you make a contribution, your contribution goes to ..."

but "When you make a contribution, your help is added to ..."??
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Post by Jack
'you help to assure'
'your help in assuring'
'you're helping assure'
It was obviously an error for the last.
Linguists take note of speech errors. They can reveal underlying
"processes" involved in producing sentences, since the production
process itself cannot be observed.
How is it obvious that the scramble in the delivery started from
'you're helping assure', uninfluenced by other possible combinations
of the words that you've reported?
Nothing else is plausible?
Jack
2019-10-31 18:40:05 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
" When you make a contribution, you're help assuring ... "
Maybe it's a typo or an incomplete edit of another phrase, rather than
a novel grammatical feature.
An oral typo?
Ok, a speako. How did you know that "'you're" was spoken, rather than
"your"?
Because there wouldn't be a way to continue such a sentence?
"When you make a contribution, your contribution goes to ..."
but "When you make a contribution, your help is added to ..."??
Post by Jack
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Jack
'you help to assure'
'your help in assuring'
'you're helping assure'
It was obviously an error for the last.
Linguists take note of speech errors. They can reveal underlying
"processes" involved in producing sentences, since the production
process itself cannot be observed.
How is it obvious that the scramble in the delivery started from
'you're helping assure', uninfluenced by other possible combinations
of the words that you've reported?
Nothing else is plausible?
When you make a contribution, your help's assuring the continued...

There's an error, and I can't see a reason to assume that the error is
simply a displacement of 'ing', unless you have other examples of the
same error popping up elsewhere, to justify
Peter T. Daniels
2019-10-31 19:00:37 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
" When you make a contribution, you're help assuring ... "
Maybe it's a typo or an incomplete edit of another phrase, rather than
a novel grammatical feature.
An oral typo?
Ok, a speako. How did you know that "'you're" was spoken, rather than
"your"?
Because there wouldn't be a way to continue such a sentence?
"When you make a contribution, your contribution goes to ..."
but "When you make a contribution, your help is added to ..."??
Post by Jack
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Jack
'you help to assure'
'your help in assuring'
'you're helping assure'
It was obviously an error for the last.
Linguists take note of speech errors. They can reveal underlying
"processes" involved in producing sentences, since the production
process itself cannot be observed.
How is it obvious that the scramble in the delivery started from
'you're helping assure', uninfluenced by other possible combinations
of the words that you've reported?
Nothing else is plausible?
When you make a contribution, your help's assuring the continued...
There was no s on the word.
Post by Jack
There's an error, and I can't see a reason to assume that the error is
simply a displacement of 'ing', unless you have other examples of the
same error popping up elsewhere, to justify reifying it.
I have Sprachgefuehl.
Jack
2019-10-31 20:16:04 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
" When you make a contribution, you're help assuring ... "
Maybe it's a typo or an incomplete edit of another phrase, rather than
a novel grammatical feature.
An oral typo?
Ok, a speako. How did you know that "'you're" was spoken, rather than
"your"?
Because there wouldn't be a way to continue such a sentence?
"When you make a contribution, your contribution goes to ..."
but "When you make a contribution, your help is added to ..."??
Post by Jack
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Jack
'you help to assure'
'your help in assuring'
'you're helping assure'
It was obviously an error for the last.
Linguists take note of speech errors. They can reveal underlying
"processes" involved in producing sentences, since the production
process itself cannot be observed.
How is it obvious that the scramble in the delivery started from
'you're helping assure', uninfluenced by other possible combinations
of the words that you've reported?
Nothing else is plausible?
When you make a contribution, your help's assuring the continued...
There was no s on the word.
There was an error or scrambling of the utterance, part of which may
have been the omission of an 's' sound.
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Jack
There's an error, and I can't see a reason to assume that the error is
simply a displacement of 'ing', unless you have other examples of the
same error popping up elsewhere, to justify reifying it.
I have Sprachgefuehl.
So does everyone
Peter T. Daniels
2019-10-31 20:48:09 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
" When you make a contribution, you're help assuring ... "
Maybe it's a typo or an incomplete edit of another phrase, rather than
a novel grammatical feature.
An oral typo?
Ok, a speako. How did you know that "'you're" was spoken, rather than
"your"?
Because there wouldn't be a way to continue such a sentence?
"When you make a contribution, your contribution goes to ..."
but "When you make a contribution, your help is added to ..."??
Post by Jack
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Jack
'you help to assure'
'your help in assuring'
'you're helping assure'
It was obviously an error for the last.
Linguists take note of speech errors. They can reveal underlying
"processes" involved in producing sentences, since the production
process itself cannot be observed.
How is it obvious that the scramble in the delivery started from
'you're helping assure', uninfluenced by other possible combinations
of the words that you've reported?
Nothing else is plausible?
When you make a contribution, your help's assuring the continued...
There was no s on the word.
There was an error or scrambling of the utterance, part of which may
have been the omission of an 's' sound.
How likely is that (not), versus misaligning a common suffix?
Post by Jack
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Jack
There's an error, and I can't see a reason to assume that the error is
simply a displacement of 'ing', unless you have other examples of the
same error popping up elsewhere, to justify reifying it.
I have Sprachgefuehl.
So does everyone else.
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