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a***@gmail.com
2018-02-10 10:26:37 UTC
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1) He hired technicians for his company, and later engineers.

2) I tried to protect him from addiction, and later his sisters.

3) I tried to free him from prison, and later his brother.

4) I tried to protect him from his father, and later his sisters.

Are these sentences grammatical?
Are they idiomatic?

Is '4' ambiguous?
a) I protected his sisters as well.
b) I protected him from his sisters as well.

Gratefully,
Navi
Madrigal Gurneyhalt
2018-02-10 12:50:38 UTC
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Post by a***@gmail.com
1) He hired technicians for his company, and later engineers.
2) I tried to protect him from addiction, and later his sisters.
3) I tried to free him from prison, and later his brother.
4) I tried to protect him from his father, and later his sisters.
Are these sentences grammatical?
Are they idiomatic?
Is '4' ambiguous?
a) I protected his sisters as well.
b) I protected him from his sisters as well.
All four are ambiguous and if a decision is made it is almost
certain to be in the direction of the 'wrong' interpretation.

I tried to protect him, and later his sisters, from addiction.
Richard Yates
2018-02-10 13:45:48 UTC
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Post by a***@gmail.com
1) He hired technicians for his company, and later engineers.
2) I tried to protect him from addiction, and later his sisters.
3) I tried to free him from prison, and later his brother.
4) I tried to protect him from his father, and later his sisters.
Are these sentences grammatical?
Are they idiomatic?
Is '4' ambiguous?
a) I protected his sisters as well.
b) I protected him from his sisters as well.
Gratefully,
Navi
Yes, 4) is ambiguous. With all of these I would have punctuated like
this:

"He hired technicians for his company and, later, engineers."

It avoids misreading "later" as modifying "engineers". That is not a
particular risk with that sentence, but in analogous ones it can be.
John Varela
2018-02-10 20:54:40 UTC
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 13:45:48 UTC, Richard Yates
Post by Richard Yates
Post by a***@gmail.com
1) He hired technicians for his company, and later engineers.
2) I tried to protect him from addiction, and later his sisters.
3) I tried to free him from prison, and later his brother.
4) I tried to protect him from his father, and later his sisters.
Are these sentences grammatical?
Are they idiomatic?
Is '4' ambiguous?
a) I protected his sisters as well.
b) I protected him from his sisters as well.
Gratefully,
Navi
Yes, 4) is ambiguous. With all of these I would have punctuated like
"He hired technicians for his company and, later, engineers."
It avoids misreading "later" as modifying "engineers". That is not a
particular risk with that sentence, but in analogous ones it can be.
Yeah, but now it can be read that later he hired technicians for his
engineers.
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John Varela
Peter Moylan
2018-02-22 11:54:35 UTC
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2) I tried to protect him from addiction, and later his sisters.
I have known someone who had to be protected from his sisters; but it
doesn't often happen, so this would be an improbable sentence.
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Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
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