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Tony Cooper
2021-05-01 18:53:07 UTC
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There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
might be of interest:
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
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Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-01 19:49:31 UTC
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There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
It's about time. I got tired of having to get rid of Calibri and Cambria
every time it did something automatically.
pensive hamster
2021-05-01 20:02:03 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
It's about time. I got tired of having to get rid of Calibri and Cambria
every time it did something automatically.
Calibri seems to have led a fairly exciting life, for a font:

'Calibri ... released to the general public in 2007, with Microsoft Office
2007 and Windows Vista.[2][3]'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibri#In_crime_and_politics

'Because of Calibri's position as the default font in Office, many cases
have been reported in which documents were shown to be forged thanks
to a purported creation date before Calibri was available to the general
public.[2][26][27][28][29]

'In 2017, the font came to public attention as evidence in the Pakistani
government-related "Panama Papers" case (also known as Fontgate),[30]
in which a document supposedly signed in February 2006 was found
to be typed up in Calibri.[31][32][33][34] De Groot said that there was
"really zero chance" that the document was genuine.[12] '
Lewis
2021-05-02 04:24:15 UTC
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There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
That's a shame, the meh of Calibri always seemed to me appropriate for
Microsoft Office which is a very meh product.

But then again, I detest the modern ethos of using sand-serif fonts for
body text.
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The way I see it, the longer I put it off, the better it'll end up
being. Heck, school doesn't start for another 43 minutes.
J. J. Lodder
2021-05-02 09:38:50 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
That's a shame, the meh of Calibri always seemed to me appropriate for
Microsoft Office which is a very meh product.
And Calibri would be much less 'meh' if it weren't associated with Word.
Luc(as) Roos is a good font designer.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc(as)_de_Groot>
<https://www.lucasfonts.com/>
Post by Lewis
But then again, I detest the modern ethos of using sand-serif fonts for
body text.
Agreed,

Jan
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-02 13:14:27 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
That's a shame, the meh of Calibri always seemed to me appropriate for
Microsoft Office which is a very meh product.
And Calibri would be much less 'meh' if it weren't associated with Word.
Luc(as) Roos is a good font designer.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc(as)_de_Groot>
<https://www.lucasfonts.com/>
Post by Lewis
But then again, I detest the modern ethos of using sand-serif fonts for
body text.
Agreed,
The tiny bits of Arabic that appear in some of his sample lines show
that he has absolutely no feel whatsoever for Arabic writing, and on
the whole Calibri appears to be depressingly typical of his work.

There's even a phony imitation of Zapf's Optima, one of the great
looks of the 1970s, near the top of the array.
Lewis
2021-05-02 13:29:58 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
That's a shame, the meh of Calibri always seemed to me appropriate for
Microsoft Office which is a very meh product.
And Calibri would be much less 'meh' if it weren't associated with Word.
I disagree, it is inherently meh.
Post by J. J. Lodder
Luc(as) Roos is a good font designer.
Which is not relevant to discussing one particular font. I believe I
remember a quote from him about it being "slap dash" and that even he did
not like it much (or use it, perhaps).
--
THE DEATH OF A WARRIOR OR THE OLD MAN OR THE LITTLE CHILD, THIS I
UNDERSTAND, AND I TAKE AWAY THE PAIN AND END THE SUFFERING. I DO
NOT UNDERSTAND THIS DEATH-OF-THE-MIND. --The Light Fantastic
J. J. Lodder
2021-05-02 14:23:05 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
That's a shame, the meh of Calibri always seemed to me appropriate for
Microsoft Office which is a very meh product.
And Calibri would be much less 'meh' if it weren't associated with Word.
I disagree, it is inherently meh.
Post by J. J. Lodder
Luc(as) de Groot is a good font designer.
Which is not relevant to discussing one particular font. I believe I
remember a quote from him about it being "slap dash" and that even he did
not like it much (or use it, perhaps).
Of course not, he is a designer.
He will be using Macs,

Jan
J. J. Lodder
2021-05-03 12:46:32 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
That's a shame, the meh of Calibri always seemed to me appropriate for
Microsoft Office which is a very meh product.
And Calibri would be much less 'meh' if it weren't associated with Word.
I disagree, it is inherently meh.
Post by J. J. Lodder
Luc(as) de Groot is a good font designer.
Which is not relevant to discussing one particular font. I believe I
remember a quote from him about it being "slap dash" and that even he did
not like it much (or use it, perhaps).
Of course not, he is a designer.
He will be using Macs,
And? If you have MS Office you have the MS Office fonts.
Macs can be in M$-free zones,

Jan
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2021-05-03 12:52:41 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
That's a shame, the meh of Calibri always seemed to me appropriate for
Microsoft Office which is a very meh product.
And Calibri would be much less 'meh' if it weren't associated with Word.
I disagree, it is inherently meh.
Post by J. J. Lodder
Luc(as) de Groot is a good font designer.
Which is not relevant to discussing one particular font. I believe I
remember a quote from him about it being "slap dash" and that even he did
not like it much (or use it, perhaps).
Of course not, he is a designer.
He will be using Macs,
And? If you have MS Office you have the MS Office fonts.
Macs can be in M$-free zones,
Mine, for example. I don't think I have any M$ garbage lying around.
When someone sends me a Word file that I need to open I open it with
Pages -- which isn't perfect either, but it's not as bad as Word, and
can open Word files that Word can't open.
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Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-03 15:33:57 UTC
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Mine, for example. I don't think I have any M$ garbage lying around.
When someone sends me a Word file that I need to open I open it with
Pages -- which isn't perfect either, but it's not as bad as Word, and
can open Word files that Word can't open.
Do tell us what's wrong with MSWord. Except for mathematical formulae,
which were never a part of its brief, what do you think you can do in TeX
or LaTeX that I can't do more easily in Word?
charles
2021-05-03 15:53:13 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Mine, for example. I don't think I have any M$ garbage lying around.
When someone sends me a Word file that I need to open I open it with
Pages -- which isn't perfect either, but it's not as bad as Word, and
can open Word files that Word can't open.
Do tell us what's wrong with MSWord.
It's a Microsoft product, to which some people are allergic.
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from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-03 17:22:25 UTC
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Mine, for example. I don't think I have any M$ garbage lying around.
When someone sends me a Word file that I need to open I open it with
Pages -- which isn't perfect either, but it's not as bad as Word, and
can open Word files that Word can't open.
Do tell us what's wrong with MSWord.
It's a Microsoft product, to which some people are allergic.
Seems a tad irrational. My subsequent sentence was relevant.
charles
2021-05-03 17:35:56 UTC
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Mine, for example. I don't think I have any M$ garbage lying
around. When someone sends me a Word file that I need to open I
open it with Pages -- which isn't perfect either, but it's not as
bad as Word, and can open Word files that Word can't open.
Do tell us what's wrong with MSWord.
It's a Microsoft product, to which some people are allergic.
Seems a tad irrational. My subsequent sentence was relevant.
I have an acquaintance (I won't say friend) who is seriously opposed to
anything from Microsoft (and Google) - but then he used to support George
Galloway.
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from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
J. J. Lodder
2021-05-04 20:56:14 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
That's a shame, the meh of Calibri always seemed to me appropriate for
Microsoft Office which is a very meh product.
And Calibri would be much less 'meh' if it weren't associated with Word.
I disagree, it is inherently meh.
Post by J. J. Lodder
Luc(as) de Groot is a good font designer.
Which is not relevant to discussing one particular font. I believe I
remember a quote from him about it being "slap dash" and that even he did
not like it much (or use it, perhaps).
Of course not, he is a designer.
He will be using Macs,
And? If you have MS Office you have the MS Office fonts.
Macs can be in M$-free zones,
Mine, for example. I don't think I have any M$ garbage lying around.
When someone sends me a Word file that I need to open I open it with
Pages -- which isn't perfect either, but it's not as bad as Word, and
can open Word files that Word can't open.
It's quite possible that Mr De Groot will have a Mac for the real work,
and some windoze box for bookkeeping and for billing his customers,

Jan

Lewis
2021-05-03 14:52:42 UTC
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There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
That's a shame, the meh of Calibri always seemed to me appropriate for
Microsoft Office which is a very meh product.
And Calibri would be much less 'meh' if it weren't associated with Word.
I disagree, it is inherently meh.
Post by J. J. Lodder
Luc(as) de Groot is a good font designer.
Which is not relevant to discussing one particular font. I believe I
remember a quote from him about it being "slap dash" and that even he did
not like it much (or use it, perhaps).
Of course not, he is a designer.
He will be using Macs,
And? If you have MS Office you have the MS Office fonts.
Macs can be in M$-free zones,
AIUI Calibri is part of MS Office. You will only have that font, and the
other MS Office fonts, if you have MS Office. Mac or Windows doesn't
change that.
--
I hate people who pronounce it "vunerable." And you can't correct
them because they're so vulnerable.
Tony Cooper
2021-05-03 15:31:07 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
That's a shame, the meh of Calibri always seemed to me appropriate for
Microsoft Office which is a very meh product.
And Calibri would be much less 'meh' if it weren't associated with Word.
I disagree, it is inherently meh.
Post by J. J. Lodder
Luc(as) de Groot is a good font designer.
Which is not relevant to discussing one particular font. I believe I
remember a quote from him about it being "slap dash" and that even he did
not like it much (or use it, perhaps).
Of course not, he is a designer.
He will be using Macs,
And? If you have MS Office you have the MS Office fonts.
Macs can be in M$-free zones,
AIUI Calibri is part of MS Office. You will only have that font, and the
other MS Office fonts, if you have MS Office. Mac or Windows doesn't
change that.
I don't have MS Office. I use OpenOffice Writer, and Calibri is one
of the fonts I can use. Calibri is also a font listed as text font
when I add text to an image in Adobe Photoshop.

I'm on Windows.
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Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Sam Plusnet
2021-05-03 19:35:42 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
There's at least one person here who has an interest in fonts, so this
https://www.wired.com/story/calibri-default-font-microsoft-moving-on/
That's a shame, the meh of Calibri always seemed to me appropriate for
Microsoft Office which is a very meh product.
And Calibri would be much less 'meh' if it weren't associated with Word.
I disagree, it is inherently meh.
Post by J. J. Lodder
Luc(as) de Groot is a good font designer.
Which is not relevant to discussing one particular font. I believe I
remember a quote from him about it being "slap dash" and that even he did
not like it much (or use it, perhaps).
Of course not, he is a designer.
He will be using Macs,
And? If you have MS Office you have the MS Office fonts.
Macs can be in M$-free zones,
AIUI Calibri is part of MS Office. You will only have that font, and the
other MS Office fonts, if you have MS Office. Mac or Windows doesn't
change that.
I don't have MS Office. I use OpenOffice Writer, and Calibri is one
of the fonts I can use. Calibri is also a font listed as text font
when I add text to an image in Adobe Photoshop.
I'm on Windows.
Ditto but for StarOffice. MSWord has never been on this machine.
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Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
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