Post by Tony Cooper
On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 00:44:08 -0400, Quinn C
Post by Quinn C Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 23:07:25 -0400, Quinn C
Post by Quinn C Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:49:03 -0400, Quinn C
Post by Quinn C
I recently became aware that when I park my bicycle, before I step away
from it, I often give it a pat on the saddle.
So I stopped to wonder what that is. Is ist sexual?
Nah. You are just reassuring the bicycle that it need not decide if
it's a boy's bike or a girl's bike and it's OK to be confused.
By patting the seat, you are ostentatiously avoiding that area where
the bar is that determines if it is a boy's model or a girl's model to
communicate to the bike that how it was made does not determine how it
should consider it itself.
Welcome to the 21st century. You may not have noticed, but that
interpretation has widely been dropped a while ago. The distinction is
now more between sporty (high bar) and urban (low bar). Plus, a lot of
bicycles are now "non-binary" anyway.
I thought the non-binary ones are called "tricycles". I see them in
It seems that Walmart didn't get the memo on dropping the distinction.
Of course they would be years behind. No surprise there.
Years behind? Walmart is selling bikes to school-age kids and some
adults who want a bicycle for some leisurely rides. What they are
offering is smack-dab in the present for their market. They are
selling bikes to parents who know the kid they're buying for will grow
out of that bike in a year or so, lose it, or have it stolen. Parents
who are looking for a bike at price they can afford.
What you consider the present to be is evidently the adult rider
Yes in my world, bicycles are not a children's thing. I don't see many
children using bicycles, because it mostly wouldn't be safe for them to
ride where I go.
Post by Tony Cooper
willing to spend hundreds of dollars or thousands of dollars on a road
machine, or off-road machine, and that's an entirely different market.
It's sheer snobbery to say that Walmart is "years behind".
If you want a bicycle you can actually use, you better spend "hundreds
of dollars". How cheap do you want it?
Most people are quite willing to spend thousands of dollars extra on
cars that are bigger, faster, or simply more ostentatious than they
need. Is it snobbery to you to mention the existence of BMW and Lexus?
And it's not just about price. Walmart caters to a lot of people who
learned about the world in their youth, but didn't change their outlook
much since they became adults in the 1960s, 70s or 80s. They don't
cater as much to people who ask questions about rampant consumerism,
ecological impact or exploitative labor practices.
Less aggressively stated, the clientele who wants a leisurely ride now
and then is fine with the bicycles of yesteryear, and doesn't need to
keep up with the technological developments. They have no need of being
up to date. That doesn't change what "up to date" means. I haven't used
a car with a starter button, an onboard computer or ABS, but I
recognize that these are now standard features, and my car experience
is stuck in the 1980s, when I learned driving. Not missing the choke,
I'm in neither of the two groups of bicycle riders you recognize. I'm
using the bike to get from point A to point B in the city. My
observations are mostly about my group of riders, with whom I'm mostly
sharing the road or the bicycle path. The leisurely riders only come
out in the weekend, and the (real or aspirational) racing crowd stays
out of the city core.
Post by Tony Cooper Post by Quinn C
This large maker has the categories On-road, X-road, Off-road, E-bike,
Youth and Women. But many of the bikes in the Women category have the
same "ambiguous" frames as the "ungendered" ones. The difference is
elsewhere (size? saddle? ...)
Right. The "present" is a $9,180 Defy Advanced SL bicycle. And it
doesn't even come with Lycra pants, a helmet with a tiny mirror, or
water bottle holder.
I believe Giant was at some point the biggest bicycle maker in the
world. They cater to all markets.
As you are into gendered bikes, here's one of their "women's" offers,
starting at $380:
Not sure you would recognize it as a "girl's" bike.
$380 is less than half of what the average bicycle sold in Germany
costs. That's because many Germans treat bicycles as serious vehicles,
I'd expect stores to sell it for less than the maker's recommendation.
I wouldn't expect anything solid at that price. Not for using every
day; OK for occasional use, probably.
When someone complained to me that $500 (Canadian) was expensive for a
bicycle, I pointed out that this is the price of one fairly ordinary
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach him to use
the 'Net and he won't bother you for weeks.