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full of anger and hate/ambiguity question/comma question
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a***@gmail.com
2019-11-30 09:05:03 UTC
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1) Tim talked to Bob full of anger and hate.
2) Tim talked to Bob, full of anger and hate.

Who is full of anger and hate?
a) Tim
b) Bob

3) Tim talked to the colonel full of anger and hate.
4) Tim talked to the colonel, full of anger and hate.

Who is full of anger and hate?
c) Tim
d) The colonel

Gratefully,
Navi
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2019-11-30 09:42:30 UTC
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1) Tim talked to Bob full of anger and hate.
2) Tim talked to Bob, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
a) Tim
b) Bob
Who can say? Not me.
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3) Tim talked to the colonel full of anger and hate.
4) Tim talked to the colonel, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
That's the same question, isn't it, so it has the same answer.
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c) Tim
d) The colonel
Gratefully,
Navi
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Peter T. Daniels
2019-11-30 14:44:25 UTC
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1) Tim talked to Bob full of anger and hate.
2) Tim talked to Bob, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
a) Tim
b) Bob
3) Tim talked to the colonel full of anger and hate.
4) Tim talked to the colonel, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
c) Tim
d) The colonel
In all cases, the subject of the sentence. Forgetting about the commas.

If you want it to be the indirect object, you need a non-restrictive
relative, "the colonel, who was full of ..."
a***@gmail.com
2019-11-30 20:56:28 UTC
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1) Tim talked to Bob full of anger and hate.
2) Tim talked to Bob, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
a) Tim
b) Bob
3) Tim talked to the colonel full of anger and hate.
4) Tim talked to the colonel, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
c) Tim
d) The colonel
In all cases, the subject of the sentence. Forgetting about the commas.
If you want it to be the indirect object, you need a non-restrictive
relative, "the colonel, who was full of ..."
Thank you all very much,

Peter, what if it is the direct object? Would it change anything?

5) He forgave John full of anger and hate.

Gratefully,
Navi
Peter T. Daniels
2019-11-30 21:21:01 UTC
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1) Tim talked to Bob full of anger and hate.
2) Tim talked to Bob, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
a) Tim
b) Bob
3) Tim talked to the colonel full of anger and hate.
4) Tim talked to the colonel, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
c) Tim
d) The colonel
In all cases, the subject of the sentence. Forgetting about the commas.
If you want it to be the indirect object, you need a non-restrictive
relative, "the colonel, who was full of ..."
Thank you all very much,
Peter, what if it is the direct object? Would it change anything?
5) He forgave John full of anger and hate.
It's unlikely that someone full of anger and hate would forgive anyone.
a***@gmail.com
2019-12-01 03:38:56 UTC
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1) Tim talked to Bob full of anger and hate.
2) Tim talked to Bob, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
a) Tim
b) Bob
3) Tim talked to the colonel full of anger and hate.
4) Tim talked to the colonel, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
c) Tim
d) The colonel
In all cases, the subject of the sentence. Forgetting about the commas.
If you want it to be the indirect object, you need a non-restrictive
relative, "the colonel, who was full of ..."
Thank you all very much,
Peter, what if it is the direct object? Would it change anything?
5) He forgave John full of anger and hate.
It's unlikely that someone full of anger and hate would forgive anyone.
Thank you very much, Peter,

Quite so. I wanted to know if the sentence worked.

Gratefully,
Navi
b***@shaw.ca
2019-12-01 07:25:43 UTC
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1) Tim talked to Bob full of anger and hate.
2) Tim talked to Bob, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
a) Tim
b) Bob
3) Tim talked to the colonel full of anger and hate.
4) Tim talked to the colonel, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
c) Tim
d) The colonel
In all cases, the subject of the sentence. Forgetting about the commas.
If you want it to be the indirect object, you need a non-restrictive
relative, "the colonel, who was full of ..."
Thank you all very much,
Peter, what if it is the direct object? Would it change anything?
5) He forgave John full of anger and hate.
It's unlikely that someone full of anger and hate would forgive anyone.
Thank you very much, Peter,
Quite so. I wanted to know if the sentence worked.
That depends on your intentions. If you intended to make it unclear
who is full of hate and anger, John or the speaker, the sentence worked.

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Peter T. Daniels
2019-12-01 14:58:58 UTC
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1) Tim talked to Bob full of anger and hate.
2) Tim talked to Bob, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
a) Tim
b) Bob
3) Tim talked to the colonel full of anger and hate.
4) Tim talked to the colonel, full of anger and hate.
Who is full of anger and hate?
c) Tim
d) The colonel
In all cases, the subject of the sentence. Forgetting about the commas.
If you want it to be the indirect object, you need a non-restrictive
relative, "the colonel, who was full of ..."
Thank you all very much,
Peter, what if it is the direct object? Would it change anything?
5) He forgave John full of anger and hate.
It's unlikely that someone full of anger and hate would forgive anyone.
Thank you very much, Peter,
Quite so. I wanted to know if the sentence worked.
That depends on your intentions. If you intended to make it unclear
who is full of hate and anger, John or the speaker, the sentence worked.
Abnego!

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