Post by Quinn C Post by Peter T. Daniels Post by Quinn C Post by Peter T. Daniels Post by Quinn C
F: Does your invitation still stand? To show me around the station?
B: What would you like to see? F: Everything. B: Everything? That's
going to take some time. F: I don't mind if you don't.
F said the last sentence like "I don't mind if you DON'T." So I
thought at first it means "... if you don't do it because you
don't have the time." But that was weird, because the scene was
obviously flirty, and then it occurred to me that she meant "I
don't mind if YOU don't."
Is the meaning difference I perceive between the two versions with
different emphasis really that clear? Then I'd say the actor did
a bad delivery (and the director accepted it.)
Or was my first interpretation maybe already unlikely for other reasons?
(Star Trek DS9, S02E09)
There's a reason we tell our Chinese friends that CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING.
I infer that at least one of the persons is "female," because of the
occurrence of "she" in your commentary. There is, however, nothing
flirtatious about the dialog as presented.
Yes, that's why I provided this additional information, which was
important to my point.
Maybe I should have been clearer: both of the people are obviously
attracted to each other.
Post by Peter T. Daniels
The stress on "don't" means that F wouldn't be offended if B doesn't
show F everything, or even does any showing-around at all.
The stress on "you" means that F would be ok it B delegated someone
else to do the showing-around.
Or "I don't mind if you don't mind" (let's hang out). That is demurely
flirty and seems to me to be the most probable intended meaning. So,
yes, in that case the delivery may have been inept.
Thanks, that's where my mind was going: I don't mind spending more time
(with you) if you don't mind spending the time (with me).
ObFlirtiness: I suppose that the line as delivered (DON'T) might mean "I
don't mind if we skip the tour and get right down to knowing each
other", but more context would be required to determine that.
That would've been uncharacteristic for those characters on that show,
after having known each other for a full 10 minutes or so.
But perhaps not uncharacteristic for the adolescent males who are the
principal intended audience of the show.
(Which can be determined from the ads shown during it. E.g., the ancient
game shows and sitcoms on the nostalgia networks try to sell me hearing
aids and incontinence supplies and reverse mortgages.
I don't watch them on the TV now, so I won't have this gauge. But like
you, even some of the people involved in bringing the program to screen
(from what I've heard) appear to have overlooked the large female fan
base for Star Trek, starting with TNG. "Adolescent males" often rate it
"too much talk, too little action."
The focus of these shows really is intercultural issues, ethics and such
things. While they're not tackled in enough depth to satisfy a Peter
Moylan, the shows have brought these ideas to a much broader audience
than even very famous SF books.
Quite famously. If Jack Warner had been alive he would have reminded
Gene Roddenberry, "When I want to send a message, I use Western Union."
Indeed Roddenberry preceded Norman Lear, but his motive in tackling
"social issues" was as explicit and transparent as the later producer's.
I have only ever seen some, possibly most, of the Original episodes and
two of the movies (the first one, and the one where young Kirk cheats),
but it was obvious even to 13-year-old me that Frank Gorshin painted
half black and half white was telling us something about Racism. (And,
of course, the famous Kiss, which I didn't see.)
But who was the main audience for such messages in 1965? Not the
adults who would be offended by an interracial kiss, but the kids who
would hopefully (and in most cases did) grow up to find nothing odd
at all about it.
Post by Quinn C
The B in the above dialog is Benjamin Sisko, loving single father, who
in this interaction finds that he's opening his heart for love for the
first time since the death of his wife four years earlier.
Doubtless that's meaningful to someone who has seen the show.
Meanwhile, on last night's Zoey, Mo came as close as they is likely
ever to to clarifying their gender: "He, she, they, all are fine." Because
in the last few episodes they fell for the fire marshal who inspected
the new restaurant. Who was conflicted because he was recently
divorced from his husband and they have two children. He had a long
speech about how difficult it had been to come out as a gay fireman,
and to go to social events with his husband on his arm, but (this is
S.F., after all) he got over it; and now it's difficult for him to be appearing
in public with someone who has the persona of a woman who usually
calls themself "he." Except in church. (At least all three of them are
black, so there isn't an added complication of race -- a complication
that has in fact been touched on in Zoey's current relationship.)