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In impeaching Trump, the Democrats got impoached
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Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-06 00:06:00 UTC
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Now Trump is hero and martyr as well, so any Democrat should be sincerely scared about getting nominated.

Impoached is a new word, signifying what happens to fools after they fail in their futile follies. It relates to a certain method of cooking eggs. The eggs need to be sound, though, and that is rare if ever in political metaphor. Imagination cannot conjure the sight and scent of a poached rotten egg.

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Arindam Banerjee
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2020-02-06 01:22:48 UTC
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Now Trump is hero and martyr as well, so any Democrat should be sincerely scared about getting nominated.
Impoached is a new word, signifying what happens to fools after they fail in their futile follies. It relates to a certain method of cooking eggs. The eggs need to be sound, though, and that is rare if ever in political metaphor. Imagination cannot conjure the sight and scent of a poached rotten egg.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
the POS reveals his hindutva fascist tendencies. what a lousy POS.
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2020-02-06 01:24:03 UTC
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Now Trump is hero and martyr as well, so any Democrat should be sincerely scared about getting nominated.
Impoached is a new word, signifying what happens to fools after they fail in their futile follies. It relates to a certain method of cooking eggs. The eggs need to be sound, though, and that is rare if ever in political metaphor. Imagination cannot conjure the sight and scent of a poached rotten egg.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
the POS reveals his hindutva fascist tendencies. what a lousy POS.
being a weakling, the POS admires the brutality of Trump.
Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-06 01:28:59 UTC
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All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.

Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.

This simple fact is far more than any abusive asshole can understand.
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2020-02-06 01:43:07 UTC
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All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
This simple fact is far more than any abusive asshole can understand.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail and withdrew.

this weakling buffoon has really lost it.
soup
2020-02-06 11:25:59 UTC
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All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail and withdrew.
A rather strange view of what happened.

He (well a drone but...) killed a known terrorist organiser whose
'Generalship' was commander of the Quds Force, which has been deemed a
terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain,

The Iranians attacked bases claiming to kill 80 odd Americans .
The Americans claimed none were killed.
No families have come forward and said "my son/daughter was killed but
the PTB won't acknowledge it", so I tend to side with the Americans over
that.
Hardly an ass-kicking.

Between crushes at funerals,putting, down demonstrations etc
the Iranians have managed to kill 600odd Iranians .
They also managed to shoot down a Ukranian airliner thinking it was a
cruise missile.

There was NO war.
Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-06 11:31:37 UTC
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All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail and withdrew.
A rather strange view of what happened.
He (well a drone but...) killed a known terrorist organiser whose
'Generalship' was commander of the Quds Force, which has been deemed a
terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain,
The Iranians attacked bases claiming to kill 80 odd Americans .
The Americans claimed none were killed.
No families have come forward and said "my son/daughter was killed but
the PTB won't acknowledge it", so I tend to side with the Americans over
that.
Hardly an ass-kicking.
Between crushes at funerals,putting, down demonstrations etc
the Iranians have managed to kill 600odd Iranians .
They also managed to shoot down a Ukranian airliner thinking it was a
cruise missile.
There was NO war.
Never expect skippy, obviously a "glorious" son of ree-jur-bay-sun, to be anything other than stupid and abusive.

As things are, I feel sorry for that poor wretch who will be nominated by the Democrats. It had better be Hillary. She is so used to losing.
s***@gmail.com
2020-02-06 12:23:05 UTC
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All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail and withdrew.
A rather strange view of what happened.
He (well a drone but...) killed a known terrorist organiser whose
'Generalship' was commander of the Quds Force, which has been deemed a
terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain,
The Iranians attacked bases claiming to kill 80 odd Americans .
The Americans claimed none were killed.
No families have come forward and said "my son/daughter was killed but
the PTB won't acknowledge it", so I tend to side with the Americans over
that.
Hardly an ass-kicking.
Between crushes at funerals,putting, down demonstrations etc
the Iranians have managed to kill 600odd Iranians .
They also managed to shoot down a Ukranian airliner thinking it was a
cruise missile.
There was NO war.
Never expect skippy, obviously a "glorious" son of ree-jur-bay-sun, to be anything other than stupid and abusive.
As things are, I feel sorry for that poor wretch who will be nominated by the Democrats. It had better be Hillary. She is so used to losing.
of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this bong sob is a Hare Krishna !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the bong dwarf founder of this cult was very much in favor of the Viet Nam war.

often, weak effeminate people admire brutal warmongers.
s***@gmail.com
2020-02-06 12:38:55 UTC
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All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail and withdrew.
A rather strange view of what happened.
He (well a drone but...) killed a known terrorist organiser whose
'Generalship' was commander of the Quds Force, which has been deemed a
terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain,
The Iranians attacked bases claiming to kill 80 odd Americans .
The Americans claimed none were killed.
No families have come forward and said "my son/daughter was killed but
the PTB won't acknowledge it", so I tend to side with the Americans over
that.
Hardly an ass-kicking.
Between crushes at funerals,putting, down demonstrations etc
the Iranians have managed to kill 600odd Iranians .
They also managed to shoot down a Ukranian airliner thinking it was a
cruise missile.
There was NO war.
Never expect skippy, obviously a "glorious" son of ree-jur-bay-sun, to be anything other than stupid and abusive.
As things are, I feel sorry for that poor wretch who will be nominated by the Democrats. It had better be Hillary. She is so used to losing.
you seem to be in need of money.

As the second most execrable Indian, sign up as an assistant to the most execrable one - Dinesh DSouza - who also rags on Democrats and performs oral sex on "manly" Republicans. the two of you would hit it off greatly.
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2020-02-06 12:28:27 UTC
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All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail and withdrew.
A rather strange view of what happened.
He (well a drone but...) killed a known terrorist organiser whose
'Generalship' was commander of the Quds Force, which has been deemed a
terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain,
The Iranians attacked bases claiming to kill 80 odd Americans .
The Americans claimed none were killed.
No families have come forward and said "my son/daughter was killed but
the PTB won't acknowledge it", so I tend to side with the Americans over
that.
Hardly an ass-kicking.
Between crushes at funerals,putting, down demonstrations etc
the Iranians have managed to kill 600odd Iranians .
They also managed to shoot down a Ukranian airliner thinking it was a
cruise missile.
There was NO war.
frickin idiot - trump's original "bolt from the blue" act of terrorism was of course an act of war.

Iran ANNOUNCED there would be retaliation and attacked a totally legitimate military target with highly accurate missiles supplied to them by Russia in revenge for the uncountable acts of aggression from the West.

That was obviously an act of war.

Trump tucked tail and backed off - thats why, as of now, there is no shooting war.
Kerr-Mudd,John
2020-02-07 17:29:28 UTC
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All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world has
seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an
Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail and
withdrew.
A rather strange view of what happened.
He (well a drone but...) killed a known terrorist organiser whose
'Generalship' was commander of the Quds Force, which has been deemed a
terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain,
The Iranians attacked bases claiming to kill 80 odd Americans .
The Americans claimed none were killed.
No families have come forward and said "my son/daughter was killed but
the PTB won't acknowledge it", so I tend to side with the Americans
over that.
Hardly an ass-kicking.
Between crushes at funerals,putting, down demonstrations etc
the Iranians have managed to kill 600odd Iranians .
They also managed to shoot down a Ukranian airliner thinking it was a
cruise missile.
There was NO war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
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Peter Moylan
2020-02-08 01:25:56 UTC
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On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 8:29:02 PM UTC-5, Arindam
Post by Arindam Banerjee
All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world
has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an
Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail
and withdrew.
A rather strange view of what happened.
He (well a drone but...) killed a known terrorist organiser whose
'Generalship' was commander of the Quds Force, which has been
deemed a terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia
and Bahrain,
The Iranians attacked bases claiming to kill 80 odd Americans . The
Americans claimed none were killed. No families have come forward
and said "my son/daughter was killed but the PTB won't acknowledge
it", so I tend to side with the Americans over that. Hardly an
ass-kicking.
Between crushes at funerals,putting, down demonstrations etc the
Iranians have managed to kill 600odd Iranians . They also managed
to shoot down a Ukranian airliner thinking it was a cruise
missile.
There was NO war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes enough
internal dissension for the government to fall.
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Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Mark Brader
2020-02-08 01:37:31 UTC
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As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
They just move in and start killing...
I've seen it stated somewhere -- I don't remember where, it might
even have been Wikipedia, so believe it at your risk -- that the
reason is that practically all countries are now members of the UN.
And Article 2 of the UN charter requires that "All Members shall
settle their international disputes by peaceful means".
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Toronto | and that would change what area Wyoming covers, but that's
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My text in this article is in the public domain.
Sam Plusnet
2020-02-08 02:27:26 UTC
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On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 8:29:02 PM UTC-5, Arindam
Post by Arindam Banerjee
All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world
has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an
Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail
and withdrew.
A rather strange view of what happened.
He (well a drone but...) killed a known terrorist organiser whose
'Generalship' was commander of the Quds Force, which has been
deemed a terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia
and Bahrain,
The Iranians attacked bases claiming to kill 80 odd Americans . The
Americans claimed none were killed. No families have come forward
and said "my son/daughter was killed but the PTB won't acknowledge
it", so I tend to side with the Americans over that. Hardly an
ass-kicking.
Between crushes at funerals,putting, down demonstrations etc the
Iranians have managed to kill 600odd Iranians . They also managed
to shoot down a Ukranian airliner thinking it was a cruise
missile.
There was NO  war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes enough
internal dissension for the government to fall.
Using a surrogate organisation to do the fighting is almost certainly
much cheaper than a DIY approach, and offers a flimsy veil of deniability.
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Quinn C
2020-02-08 04:18:58 UTC
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There was NO war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
Saying that there is no war because it hasn't been declared sounds about
as reasonable as assuming there is no sex because they're not married.
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inculcation into normalized language, where the price of not
conforming is the loss of intelligibility itself.
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2020-02-08 13:28:03 UTC
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All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world
has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an
Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail
and withdrew.
A rather strange view of what happened.
He (well a drone but...) killed a known terrorist organiser whose
'Generalship' was commander of the Quds Force, which has been
deemed a terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia
and Bahrain,
The Iranians attacked bases claiming to kill 80 odd Americans . The
Americans claimed none were killed. No families have come forward
and said "my son/daughter was killed but the PTB won't acknowledge
it", so I tend to side with the Americans over that. Hardly an
ass-kicking.
Between crushes at funerals,putting, down demonstrations etc the
Iranians have managed to kill 600odd Iranians . They also managed
to shoot down a Ukranian airliner thinking it was a cruise
missile.
There was NO war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes enough
internal dissension for the government to fall.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
When President Saddam Hussein fulfilled the manifest destiny of Iraq by acquiring a decent port - the Americans who fulfilled theirs through genocide would have none of it.

The initial aggression using chemical and radiation weapons among others WAS sanctioned by the U.N. ("any means necessary").

All the continual genocidal,ecocidal aggression against Iraq and the Muslim world in general after the so-called "Gulf War" ("we came, we saw, he died" - American white male Hillary Clinton about President Khaddafi )from American white males is of questionable legality.
Jerry Friedman
2020-02-08 17:57:58 UTC
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[U.S. and Iran]
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There was NO  war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
There have been a few declarations of war in that time. Also, Iraq,
Syria, and Lebanon have been officially at war with Israel since 1948.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Declared_wars_since_1945
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They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes enough
internal dissension for the government to fall.
Unless it doesn't.
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2020-02-08 18:21:11 UTC
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[U.S. and Iran]
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There was NO  war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
There have been a few declarations of war in that time. Also, Iraq,
Syria, and Lebanon have been officially at war with Israel since 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Declared_wars_since_1945
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They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes enough
internal dissension for the government to fall.
Unless it doesn't.
--
Jerry Friedman
did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Peter T. Daniels
2020-02-09 00:38:11 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-09 17:44:31 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?

Jan
David Kleinecke
2020-02-09 18:20:30 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
You ought to feed your grandees better.
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-09 22:20:57 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
You ought to feed your grandees better.
Yes, very gaunt. See 1066 and all that,

Jan
Dingbat
2020-02-10 01:23:54 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war
from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
You ought to feed your grandees better.
Yes, very gaunt. See 1066 and all that,
We have John of Gaunt to thank for the Savoy Hotel's name and location.
He was born in <Gent>. It's <Ghent> in English. Whence the spelling
<Gaunt>?
musika
2020-02-10 01:41:55 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of
war
from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
You ought to feed your grandees better.
Yes, very gaunt. See 1066 and all that,
We have John of Gaunt to thank for the Savoy Hotel's name and
location. He was born in <Gent>. It's <Ghent> in English. Whence the
spelling <Gaunt>?
Probably from the French "Gand".
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J. J. Lodder
2020-02-10 09:58:11 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of
war
from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
You ought to feed your grandees better.
Yes, very gaunt. See 1066 and all that,
We have John of Gaunt to thank for the Savoy Hotel's name and
location. He was born in <Gent>. It's <Ghent> in English. Whence the
spelling <Gaunt>?
Probably from the French "Gand".
Many languages do that: deliberate misspellings
in the hope that the misspelling
will result in a more or less correct pronunciation
bij people who have no idea of the original.

A typical Dunglish symptom is having 'maffia' for 'mafia',

Jan
Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-10 11:06:15 UTC
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We Indian kids could figure out that Dirck could be Dick but what about Joris?
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-10 11:53:21 UTC
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We Indian kids could figure out that Dirck could be Dick but what about Joris?
Joris is the Dutch incarnation of George,
notable for un-called for cruelty to defenseless dragons,

Jan
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2020-02-10 21:26:13 UTC
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We Indian kids could figure out that Dirck could be Dick but what about Joris?
Joris is the Dutch incarnation of George,
notable for un-called for cruelty to defenseless dragons,
Has Sjors been left behind?

bill
Peter Moylan
2020-02-11 00:54:48 UTC
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We Indian kids could figure out that Dirck could be Dick but what about Joris?
Joris is the Dutch incarnation of George, notable for un-called for
cruelty to defenseless dragons,
Has Sjors been left behind?
At one time the Dutch had a good reputation as sailors. They were good
at leaving sjors behind.
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Newcastle, NSW, Australia
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-11 08:26:21 UTC
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We Indian kids could figure out that Dirck could be Dick but what about Joris?
Joris is the Dutch incarnation of George,
notable for un-called for cruelty to defenseless dragons,
Has Sjors been left behind?
Yes, the journal with that name went bankrupt several times,
went through several reincarnations and fusions,
and it finally disappeared in 1975.
You remembered it from long ago?

Very old American friends may know about it too.
Wikip informs me that the 'Sjors' magazine for kids
started before WWII as a translation of
"Perry and the Rinkydinks" by Martin Branner.
(no wikip on him, but some of his work turns up on auction sites,
so you can get an idea)

That explains why there is a distinct non-Dutch aspect
to this 'Sjors',

Jan
Sam Plusnet
2020-02-10 21:51:38 UTC
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We Indian kids could figure out that Dirck could be Dick but what about Joris?
Joris is the Dutch incarnation of George,
notable for un-called for cruelty to defenseless dragons,
Defenceless? That's an inflammatory claim.
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J. J. Lodder
2020-02-11 09:34:06 UTC
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We Indian kids could figure out that Dirck could be Dick but what about Joris?
Joris is the Dutch incarnation of George,
notable for un-called for cruelty to defenseless dragons,
Defenceless? That's an inflammatory claim.
The poor girl never forgave #brute for killing her pet.
She was cold to him ever after,

Jan

Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-11 04:51:04 UTC
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So Joris is George. Hmm.
Joris-Poris pudding and pie.
Not too bad, but doesn't work like Georgie-Porgie - which is fat, really fat.
Joris-Poris.sounds brisk and efficient and so would make girls wonder rather than cry.
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-11 09:34:06 UTC
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So Joris is George. Hmm.
More or less. It seems that the Greek saint Geoorgos
and the Roman Gregorius got mixed up.
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Joris-Poris pudding and pie.
Not too bad, but doesn't work like Georgie-Porgie - which is fat, really fat.
Joris-Poris.sounds brisk and efficient and so would make girls
wonder rather than cry.
Alas, nonexistent.
But no doubt some Joris has been called Joris-Poris,
in some kindergarten playground.

There also is the well known 'Bartel-Joris'.
He is well known from the 'Barteljorisstraat'
in the standard Dutch Monopoly game.
Few people know where it is, but the name sticks,

Jan
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2020-02-10 15:52:08 UTC
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Many languages do that: deliberate misspellings
in the hope that the misspelling
will result in a more or less correct pronunciation
bij people who have no idea of the original.
Does "bij" fulfil that function for Dutch readers?
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A typical Dunglish symptom is having 'maffia' for 'mafia',
Jan
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athel
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-10 17:24:22 UTC
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[ - ]
Many languages do that: deliberate misspellings
in the hope that the misspelling
will result in a more or less correct pronunciation
bij people who have no idea of the original.
Does "bij" fulfil that function for Dutch readers?
No, the 'ij' sound is Dutch-only,

Jan
Peter Moylan
2020-02-11 00:57:36 UTC
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Many languages do that: deliberate misspellings in the hope that
the misspelling will result in a more or less correct
pronunciation bij people who have no idea of the original.
Does "bij" fulfil that function for Dutch readers?
No, the 'ij' sound is Dutch-only,
But Dutch 'ij' and English 'y' have a similar origin. The missing link
is possibly those old writings that use a letter y with two dots on top
of it.
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Newcastle, NSW, Australia
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-11 09:34:05 UTC
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Many languages do that: deliberate misspellings in the hope that
the misspelling will result in a more or less correct
pronunciation bij people who have no idea of the original.
Does "bij" fulfil that function for Dutch readers?
No, the 'ij' sound is Dutch-only,
But Dutch 'ij' and English 'y' have a similar origin.
Right.
In modern Dutch the 'ij' and the 'ei' have the same pronunciation.
In old Dutch, and still in some dialects they differed,
with the 'ij' being pronounced like the modern 'ie',
which is like the English 'y'.
'Sorrie' is sometimes used as a deliberate missplelling.
Post by Peter Moylan
The missing link is possibly those old writings that use a letter y with
two dots on top of it.
That has never been standard, afaik,
and the y-doubledot is really the y-trema,
and found only in French.

Jan
Sam Plusnet
2020-02-10 21:49:28 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
You ought to feed your grandees better.
Yes, very gaunt. See 1066 and all that,
With the aid of three wives and a mistress, he produced 14 gauntlets.
--
Sam Plusnet
Peter T. Daniels
2020-02-10 21:53:50 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
You ought to feed your grandees better.
Yes, very gaunt. See 1066 and all that,
With the aid of three wives and a mistress, he produced 14 gauntlets.
With as many wives (so far) and many more mistresses, Trump has produced
only 5 trumpets (strumpets?) (that we know of).
David Kleinecke
2020-02-10 22:56:52 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
You ought to feed your grandees better.
Yes, very gaunt. See 1066 and all that,
With the aid of three wives and a mistress, he produced 14 gauntlets.
With as many wives (so far) and many more mistresses, Trump has produced
only 5 trumpets (strumpets?) (that we know of).
I have had three wives and an undisclosed number of mistresses and
all I have to show for it is one developmentally-disabled daughter.

I am reminded of Robert Graves' account of the Argonauts on Lesbos.
HVS
2020-02-10 23:03:17 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
You ought to feed your grandees better.
Yes, very gaunt. See 1066 and all that,
With the aid of three wives and a mistress, he produced 14
gauntlets.

Let's give that man a hand.

Cheers, Harvey
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2020-02-10 23:41:10 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
You ought to feed your grandees better.
Yes, very gaunt. See 1066 and all that,
With the aid of three wives and a mistress, he produced 14 gauntlets.
"Throwing down the gauntlet": a form of child abuse.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Sam Plusnet
2020-02-11 02:07:52 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
You ought to feed your grandees better.
Yes, very gaunt. See 1066 and all that,
With the aid of three wives and a mistress, he produced 14 gauntlets.
"Throwing down the gauntlet": a form of child abuse.
By Blanche he was smitten
and as their sixth mitten
produced Henry the Fourth...
<stuck>
--
Sam Plusnet
b***@shaw.ca
2020-02-09 19:59:13 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
I have vague memories of the name "Jan van Gent" from my childhood.
I think it was the name of a person in my home town, but I see
on the Internet that there are also types of sloops called Jan van Gent,
and a sea bird with the same name.

bill
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2020-02-09 22:20:56 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
I have vague memories of the name "Jan van Gent" from my childhood.
'Van Gent' is a Dutch/Belgian family name.
So some of them will be 'Jan van Gent'.
Not a rare name, you may well have known one.
This is also the translated name of John of Gaunt,
so named because he was born there.
Post by b***@shaw.ca
I think it was the name of a person in my home town, but I see
on the Internet that there are also types of sloops called Jan van Gent,
The sloop is just a brand name, after the bird.
Post by b***@shaw.ca
and a sea bird with the same name.
Yes, that is the English Gannet.
Obviously cognate, but is unclear where the 'Jan van' comes from.
A theory, but no more than that, is that it derives from old Irish
'Ian ban an sgadan', meaning 'white herringbird',

Jan
David Kleinecke
2020-02-10 01:41:01 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
I have vague memories of the name "Jan van Gent" from my childhood.
'Van Gent' is a Dutch/Belgian family name.
So some of them will be 'Jan van Gent'.
Not a rare name, you may well have known one.
This is also the translated name of John of Gaunt,
so named because he was born there.
Post by b***@shaw.ca
I think it was the name of a person in my home town, but I see
on the Internet that there are also types of sloops called Jan van Gent,
The sloop is just a brand name, after the bird.
Post by b***@shaw.ca
and a sea bird with the same name.
Yes, that is the English Gannet.
Obviously cognate, but is unclear where the 'Jan van' comes from.
A theory, but no more than that, is that it derives from old Irish
'Ian ban an sgadan', meaning 'white herringbird',
There is an old song:
We came on the sloop John B.
My grandfather and me
Round Nassau town we did roam
Drinking all night
Got in a fight
I feel so break-up
I want to go home

What is it about sloops named John? was "B" once "von"?
Mack A. Damia
2020-02-10 02:15:07 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
I have vague memories of the name "Jan van Gent" from my childhood.
'Van Gent' is a Dutch/Belgian family name.
So some of them will be 'Jan van Gent'.
Not a rare name, you may well have known one.
This is also the translated name of John of Gaunt,
so named because he was born there.
Post by b***@shaw.ca
I think it was the name of a person in my home town, but I see
on the Internet that there are also types of sloops called Jan van Gent,
The sloop is just a brand name, after the bird.
Post by b***@shaw.ca
and a sea bird with the same name.
Yes, that is the English Gannet.
Obviously cognate, but is unclear where the 'Jan van' comes from.
A theory, but no more than that, is that it derives from old Irish
'Ian ban an sgadan', meaning 'white herringbird',
We came on the sloop John B.
My grandfather and me
Round Nassau town we did roam
Drinking all night
Got in a fight
I feel so break-up
I want to go home
What is it about sloops named John? was "B" once "von"?
Originally published as "The John B. Sails", a West Indian song, in
1916.

A 1647 colony in the Bahamas included a Welshman named John Bethel.
The folk ballad of his crew is believed to have descended through the
centuries into the folk song "(Wreck of the) Sloop John B."

In 1926 the original wreck of this ship was discovered in Nassau, a
Bahamian city on the island of New Providence about one hundred and
ten miles east of Miami, Florida. (Sloops were precarious 16-foot
vessels, sailing hundreds of miles without a chart with a 5-person
crew.) Poet Carl Sandburg adapted the folk lyrics into a poem, which
thirty years later was recorded by The Kingston Trio and then even
later by the Beach Boys.
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2020-02-10 10:24:18 UTC
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We came on the sloop John B.
My grandfather and me
Round Nassau town we did roam
Drinking all night
Got in a fight
I feel so break-up
I want to go home
Back in the 1996s I was living in Manchester, England. One of my
co-workers was named John B.
Soon after the Beach Boys' version of "Sloop John B" was released in
1966 our colleague John B was nicknamed "Sloop".
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2020-02-10 15:59:18 UTC
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Manchester, England
Manchester England England
Across the Atlantic Sea
And I'm a genius genius
I believe in God
And I believe that God
Believes in Claude
That's me that's me
Claude Hooper Bukowski
Finds that it's groovy
To hide in a movie
Pretends he's Fellini
And Antonioni
And also his countryman Roman Polanski
All rolled into one
One Claud Hooper Bukowski
Now that I've dropped out
Why is life dreary dreary
Answer my weary query
Timothy Leary dearie
Oh Manchester England England
Across the Atlantic Sea
And I'm a genius genius
I believe in God
And I believe that God
Believes in Claude
That's me (that's he)
That's me (that's he)
That's me (that's he)
That's me
--
athel
Peter T. Daniels
2020-02-09 21:54:00 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'?
Or, if all else fails 'Gaunt'?
It's called the Treaty of Ghent. It was signed by two English-speaking
countries, why wouldn't it be named in English?
Peter Moylan
2020-02-10 02:52:27 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
The Gh spelling in the English version of the name was presumably put
there originally to remind English speakers to pronounce the first
consonant like a Dutch G. (Or an English gh in words like 'rough'.) By
now, of course, that sound has dropped entirely out of English.

But we can't change it to Gent, because that would make English speakers
pronounce it like the beginning of gentle. And we can't change it to
Gand because the town is far removed from French-speaking regions.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-10 09:58:11 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
The Gh spelling in the English version of the name was presumably put
there originally to remind English speakers to pronounce the first
consonant like a Dutch G. (Or an English gh in words like 'rough'.) By
now, of course, that sound has dropped entirely out of English.
But we can't change it to Gent, because that would make English speakers
pronounce it like the beginning of gentle. And we can't change it to
Gand because the town is far removed from French-speaking regions.
Yet the English insist on calling Aachen 'Aix-La-Chapelle',
despite it not being near any French speaking region.
They are quarreling about it on Wikipedia,

Jan
Peter Moylan
2020-02-10 10:21:40 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
The Gh spelling in the English version of the name was presumably put
there originally to remind English speakers to pronounce the first
consonant like a Dutch G. (Or an English gh in words like 'rough'.) By
now, of course, that sound has dropped entirely out of English.
But we can't change it to Gent, because that would make English speakers
pronounce it like the beginning of gentle. And we can't change it to
Gand because the town is far removed from French-speaking regions.
Yet the English insist on calling Aachen 'Aix-La-Chapelle',
despite it not being near any French speaking region.
They are quarreling about it on Wikipedia,
I remember driving in that region. All the road signs were in Dutch,
IIRC ... until suddenly the name of the city appeared in THREE languages.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-10 11:23:21 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
The Gh spelling in the English version of the name was presumably put
there originally to remind English speakers to pronounce the first
consonant like a Dutch G. (Or an English gh in words like 'rough'.) By
now, of course, that sound has dropped entirely out of English.
But we can't change it to Gent, because that would make English speakers
pronounce it like the beginning of gentle. And we can't change it to
Gand because the town is far removed from French-speaking regions.
Yet the English insist on calling Aachen 'Aix-La-Chapelle',
despite it not being near any French speaking region.
They are quarreling about it on Wikipedia,
I remember driving in that region. All the road signs were in Dutch,
IIRC ... until suddenly the name of the city appeared in THREE languages.
That may be on the increase. Aachen, Luik/Liege, and Maastricht
are trying to set up a common tri-national region.
They already have a cooperation between their universities,
and they have renamed Maastricht airport to Maastricht-Aachen airport,

Jan
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2020-02-10 15:56:14 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
The Gh spelling in the English version of the name was presumably put
there originally to remind English speakers to pronounce the first
consonant like a Dutch G. (Or an English gh in words like 'rough'.) By
now, of course, that sound has dropped entirely out of English.
But we can't change it to Gent, because that would make English speakers
pronounce it like the beginning of gentle. And we can't change it to
Gand because the town is far removed from French-speaking regions.
Yet the English insist on calling Aachen 'Aix-La-Chapelle',
Really? Which English insist on that? I call it Aachen if I'm referring
to the modern city,but you need to call it Aix-la-Chapelle if you want
to make sense of Browning's poem.
Post by J. J. Lodder
despite it not being near any French speaking region.
They are quarreling about it on Wikipedia,
Jan
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athel
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2020-02-10 17:24:23 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
The Gh spelling in the English version of the name was presumably put
there originally to remind English speakers to pronounce the first
consonant like a Dutch G. (Or an English gh in words like 'rough'.) By
now, of course, that sound has dropped entirely out of English.
But we can't change it to Gent, because that would make English speakers
pronounce it like the beginning of gentle. And we can't change it to
Gand because the town is far removed from French-speaking regions.
Yet the English insist on calling Aachen 'Aix-La-Chapelle',
Really? Which English insist on that?
Some Wilipedia editors for example.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aachen#Requested_move_8_February_2020>
(they must be reading here)

Jan
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I call it Aachen if I'm referring
to the modern city,but you need to call it Aix-la-Chapelle if you want
to make sense of Browning's poem.
Post by J. J. Lodder
despite it not being near any French speaking region.
They are quarreling about it on Wikipedia,
Jan
b***@shaw.ca
2020-02-10 21:21:48 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
The Gh spelling in the English version of the name was presumably put
there originally to remind English speakers to pronounce the first
consonant like a Dutch G. (Or an English gh in words like 'rough'.) By
now, of course, that sound has dropped entirely out of English.
But we can't change it to Gent, because that would make English speakers
pronounce it like the beginning of gentle. And we can't change it to
Gand because the town is far removed from French-speaking regions.
Yet the English insist on calling Aachen 'Aix-La-Chapelle',
despite it not being near any French speaking region.
They are quarreling about it on Wikipedia,
I don't mind what anyone calls it, but Aachen is a stone's throw
from the Belgian border at a point where the Belgian place names
are all in French, at least on the maps Google shows me.

bill
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2020-02-11 01:18:54 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
The Gh spelling in the English version of the name was presumably
put there originally to remind English speakers to pronounce the
first consonant like a Dutch G. (Or an English gh in words like
'rough'.) By now, of course, that sound has dropped entirely out
of English.
But we can't change it to Gent, because that would make English
speakers pronounce it like the beginning of gentle. And we can't
change it to Gand because the town is far removed from
French-speaking regions.
Yet the English insist on calling Aachen 'Aix-La-Chapelle', despite
it not being near any French speaking region. They are quarreling
about it on Wikipedia,
I don't mind what anyone calls it, but Aachen is a stone's throw from
the Belgian border at a point where the Belgian place names are all
in French, at least on the maps Google shows me.
That depends on the scale of your map. From Aachen to Liège, for
example, is a road distance of 54 km, which is an enormous distance by
Belgian standards. And to get there you'll pass by places with Dutch names.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-11 08:26:21 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
The Gh spelling in the English version of the name was presumably put
there originally to remind English speakers to pronounce the first
consonant like a Dutch G. (Or an English gh in words like 'rough'.) By
now, of course, that sound has dropped entirely out of English.
But we can't change it to Gent, because that would make English speakers
pronounce it like the beginning of gentle. And we can't change it to
Gand because the town is far removed from French-speaking regions.
Yet the English insist on calling Aachen 'Aix-La-Chapelle',
despite it not being near any French speaking region.
They are quarreling about it on Wikipedia,
I don't mind what anyone calls it, but Aachen is a stone's throw
from the Belgian border at a point where the Belgian place names
are all in French, at least on the maps Google shows me.
Then you should prefer 'Aken' to 'Aix-la-Chapelle'
because to the Dutch border.
Better yet, you should prefer Aachen on that basis,
since the parts of Belgium closest to Aachen
have German as their official language, not French. [1]

Jan

[1] For those not familiar with the country:
Belgium has three official languages,
the Flemish/Dutch and the Walloon/French that you know about,
but also some small parts in the north-east on the German border
where German is the official language.
Peter T. Daniels
2020-02-10 15:12:48 UTC
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did the U.S. and Britain ever end their formal state of war from 1812?
Ever heard of Ghent?
Eh, 'Gent', you mean? Or perhaps 'Gand'? Or, if all else fails
'Gaunt'?
The Gh spelling in the English version of the name was presumably put
there originally to remind English speakers to pronounce the first
consonant like a Dutch G. (Or an English gh in words like 'rough'.) By
now, of course, that sound has dropped entirely out of English.
The Gh spelling for /g/ came into English because Caxton imported Flemish
typesetters from Ghent in 1475 (none being available in England, of course),
where that was how they spelled /g/ (whether or not it was [G]). That
spelling has survived primarily in "ghost" words, but you'll find it
much more widely in Caxton's first books.
Post by Peter Moylan
But we can't change it to Gent, because that would make English speakers
pronounce it like the beginning of gentle. And we can't change it to
Gand because the town is far removed from French-speaking regions.
Indeed.
Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-09 21:32:20 UTC
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About going to Ghent, my memory from school days:

I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he.
I galloped, Dirck galloped, we galloped all three.

etc. in terrific galloping rhythm
charles
2020-02-09 21:36:46 UTC
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I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he.
I galloped, Dirck galloped, we galloped all three.
etc. in terrific galloping rhythm
a description of a friend who was very good at fund-raising: "He jumped
onto his white horse and galloped off in all directions simultaneously"
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Jerry Friedman
2020-02-10 01:22:57 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he.
I galloped, Dirck galloped, we galloped all three.
etc. in terrific galloping rhythm
a description of a friend who was very good at fund-raising: "He jumped
onto his white horse and galloped off in all directions simultaneously"
"'I give no reason,' said the Earl. 'Listen, Ronald, I give one month.
For that time you remain here. If at the end of it you refuse me, I cut
you off with a shilling.'

"Lord Ronald said nothing; he flung himself from the room, flung himself
upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions."

--Stephen Leacock, "Gertrude the Governess"

Fans--very dedicated fans--of Dorothy Sayers may already know that the
story contains the sentence, "He strode hastily to the sideboard,
drained a dipper and a half of brandy, and became again the perfect
English gentleman." In fact it's part of a running joke.

http://www.online-literature.com/stephen-leacock/nonsense-novels/5/
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Jerry Friedman
Peter Moylan
2020-02-10 02:59:15 UTC
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I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he. I galloped, Dirck
galloped, we galloped all three.
etc. in terrific galloping rhythm
a description of a friend who was very good at fund-raising: "He
jumped onto his white horse and galloped off in all directions
simultaneously"
My own schooldays memory of Ghent was all about bringing the good news
from Ghent to Aix. Very much later I learnt that that Aix was Aachen,
not Aix-en-Provence.

What the good news was will forever remain a mystery.
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Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
John Varela
2020-02-11 00:21:54 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by charles
I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he. I galloped, Dirck
galloped, we galloped all three.
etc. in terrific galloping rhythm
a description of a friend who was very good at fund-raising: "He
jumped onto his white horse and galloped off in all directions
simultaneously"
My own schooldays memory of Ghent was all about bringing the good news
from Ghent to Aix. Very much later I learnt that that Aix was Aachen,
not Aix-en-Provence.
What the good news was will forever remain a mystery.
I remember that one, vaguely. I think I never knew exactly what the
good news was.

One I do remember, which has nothing to do with Ghent or Aix, is

So glory to the Lord of hosts
From whom all glories are,
And glory to our sovereign liege
King Henry of Navarre.

Paris is worth a mass.
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J. J. Lodder
2020-02-09 22:20:57 UTC
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I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he.
I galloped, Dirck galloped, we galloped all three.
Yes, Robert Browning.
Not to Ghent, from Ghent, and to Aix,
which is present day Aachen, in Germany.
Not Athel's Aix,

Jan
Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-09 23:49:29 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he.
I galloped, Dirck galloped, we galloped all three.
Yes, Robert Browning.
Some poet.
Post by J. J. Lodder
Not to Ghent, from Ghent, and to Aix,
Joris, Dirck and the narrator had to go TO Ghent first before going from Ghent to Aix.
Post by J. J. Lodder
which is present day Aachen, in Germany.
Not Athel's Aix,
Respectful bow-wow to him, by electronic mail.
Post by J. J. Lodder
Jan
Peter Moylan
2020-02-10 03:07:02 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he.
I galloped, Dirck galloped, we galloped all three.
Yes, Robert Browning.
Not to Ghent, from Ghent, and to Aix,
which is present day Aachen, in Germany.
Not Athel's Aix,
There was an Aix-to-Ghent version written by Sellar and Yeatman, but
I've never read it.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Katy Jennison
2020-02-10 03:58:53 UTC
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Post by J. J. Lodder
Post by Arindam Banerjee
I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he.
I galloped, Dirck galloped, we galloped all three.
Yes, Robert Browning.
Not to Ghent, from Ghent, and to Aix,
which is present day Aachen, in Germany.
Not Athel's Aix,
There was an Aix-to-Ghent version written by Sellar and Yeatman, but
I've never read it.
I only remember (part of) the final two lines:

" [tumtity tumty] I'd been, gone and went
And forgotten the news I was bringing to Ghent."
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Katy Jennison
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-10 09:58:11 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by J. J. Lodder
Post by Arindam Banerjee
I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he.
I galloped, Dirck galloped, we galloped all three.
Yes, Robert Browning.
Not to Ghent, from Ghent, and to Aix,
which is present day Aachen, in Germany.
Not Athel's Aix,
There was an Aix-to-Ghent version written by Sellar and Yeatman, but
I've never read it.
It is in a book titled 'Horse Nonsense'.
Post by Katy Jennison
" [tumtity tumty] I'd been, gone and went
And forgotten the news I was bringing to Ghent."
One perfect line.

The full (and disappointing) ending is:
=====
...
As I sat with my head 'twixt my ears on the ground
For imagine my shame when they asked what I meant
And I had to confess that I'd been, gone and went
And forgotten the news I was bringing to Ghent,
Though I'd galloped and galloped and galloped and galloped and galloped
And galloped and galloped and galloped. (Had I not would have been
galloped?)
ENVOI
So I sprang to a taxi and shouted "To Aix!"
And he blew on his horn and he threw off his brakes.
And all the way back till my money was spent
We rattled and rattled and rattled and rattled and rattled and rattled
and rattled -
And eventually sent a telegram.

A bit disappointing and certainly NOT MEMORABLE,

Jan
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-10 09:58:10 UTC
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Post by J. J. Lodder
Post by Arindam Banerjee
I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he.
I galloped, Dirck galloped, we galloped all three.
Yes, Robert Browning.
Not to Ghent, from Ghent, and to Aix,
which is present day Aachen, in Germany.
Not Athel's Aix,
There was an Aix-to-Ghent version written by Sellar and Yeatman, but
I've never read it.
Full text at
<https://jeremynicholas.com/2013/07/months-parody-july-13-how-brought-go
od-news-ghent-aix/>

Jan
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2020-02-10 12:57:50 UTC
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Post by J. J. Lodder
Post by Arindam Banerjee
I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he.
I galloped, Dirck galloped, we galloped all three.
Yes, Robert Browning.
Not to Ghent, from Ghent, and to Aix,
which is present day Aachen, in Germany.
Not Athel's Aix,
There was an Aix-to-Ghent version written by Sellar and Yeatman, but
I've never read it.
HOW I BROUGHT THE GOOD NEWS FROM
AIX TO GHENT (OR VICE VERSA)

It runs {or rather gallops) roughly as follows, we quote from
memory {having no book of reference at hand),

I sprang to the rollocks and Jorrocks and me,

And I galloped, you galloped, he galloped, we galloped
all three . . .

Not a word to each other; we kept changing place,

Neck to neck, back to front, ear to ear, face to face;

And we yelled once or twice, when we heard a clock
chime,

‘Would you kindly oblige us. Is that the right time?'

As I galloped, you galloped, he galloped, we galloped, ye
galloped, they two shall have galloped; let us trot.

I unsaddled the saddle, unbuckled the bit.

Unshackled the bridle (the thing didn’t fit)

And ungalloped, ungalloped, ungalloped, ungalloped a bit.
Then I cast off my bluff-coat, let my bowler hat fall,

Took off both my boots and my trousers and all —

Drank off my stirrup-cup, felt a bit tight.

And unbridled the saddle: it still wasn’t right.
--
athel
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2020-02-10 12:51:12 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris, and he.
I galloped, Dirck galloped, we galloped all three.
Yes, Robert Browning.
Not to Ghent, from Ghent, and to Aix,
which is present day Aachen, in Germany.
Only just. Aix-la-Chapelle is one of several Aix: Aix-la-Chapelle,
Aix-en-Provence, Aix-les-Bains, not to mention Aigues Mortes and Aigues
Vives.
Post by J. J. Lodder
Not Athel's Aix,
Jan
--
athel
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2020-02-08 18:52:01 UTC
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[U.S. and Iran]
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by soup
There was NO  war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
There have been a few declarations of war in that time. Also, Iraq,
Syria, and Lebanon have been officially at war with Israel since 1948.
Berwick-on-Tweed has been at war with Russia much longer than that,
since the Crimean War.
Post by Jerry Friedman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Declared_wars_since_1945
Post by Peter Moylan
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes enough
internal dissension for the government to fall.
Unless it doesn't.
--
athel
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2020-02-09 22:50:39 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Jerry Friedman
[U.S. and Iran]
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by soup
There was NO  war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
There have been a few declarations of war in that time. Also, Iraq,
Syria, and Lebanon have been officially at war with Israel since 1948.
Berwick-on-Tweed has been at war with Russia much longer than that,
since the Crimean War.
That seems not to be the case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwick-upon-Tweed#Relations_with_Russia
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Jerry Friedman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Declared_wars_since_1945
Post by Peter Moylan
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes enough
internal dissension for the government to fall.
Unless it doesn't.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Peter Moylan
2020-02-08 23:09:51 UTC
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 11:25:59 GMT, soup
[U.S. and Iran]
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by soup
There was NO war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years
or more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare
war.
There have been a few declarations of war in that time. Also, Iraq,
Syria, and Lebanon have been officially at war with Israel since 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Declared_wars_since_1945
Thanks.
It's a pretty short list, though.
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Peter Moylan
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes
enough internal dissension for the government to fall.
Unless it doesn't.
It's a very effective technique, a classic case being the break-up of
Yugoslavia, which was particularly stable before the economic attacks
began. Off-hand, the only country I can think of that has held out is Cuba.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Madhu
2020-02-09 15:41:45 UTC
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It's a very effective technique, a classic case being the break-up of
Yugoslavia, which was particularly stable before the economic attacks
began. Off-hand, the only country I can think of that has held out is Cuba.
The French expected Syria to be a French territory even in the 19th
century. I don't think Syria was a success by any reckoning of the
Western plotters. Even today many who follow the endtimes agenda are
eagerly awaiting the biblical fall of Damascus.

The areas of the North West Frontier Province have traditionally not
responded (traditional) economic attacks. Smartphones and Google will
probably do the job today.
Jerry Friedman
2020-02-09 16:29:46 UTC
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Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Peter Moylan
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 11:25:59 GMT, soup
[U.S. and Iran]
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by soup
There was NO  war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years
or more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare
war.
There have been a few declarations of war in that time.  Also, Iraq,
 Syria, and Lebanon have been officially at war with Israel since
1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Declared_wars_since_1945
Thanks.
It's a pretty short list, though.
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Peter Moylan
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes
enough internal dissension for the government to fall.
Unless it doesn't.
It's a very effective technique, a classic case being the break-up of
Yugoslavia, which was particularly stable before the economic attacks
began. Off-hand, the only country I can think of that has held out is Cuba.
I'm not going to look into the history of Yugoslavia at the moment, but
North Korea, Russia, Iran, and Venezuela are all subject to sanctions
from the U.S. and other countries and have held out for some years.
--
Jerry Friedman
Peter T. Daniels
2020-02-09 17:14:11 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
It's a very effective technique, a classic case being the break-up of
Yugoslavia, which was particularly stable before the economic attacks
began. Off-hand, the only country I can think of that has held out is Cuba.
I'm not going to look into the history of Yugoslavia at the moment, but
North Korea, Russia, Iran, and Venezuela are all subject to sanctions
from the U.S. and other countries and have held out for some years.
Apparently Yugoslavia was the "good" communist country; there was at least
one retail store in Midtown Manhattan specializing in Yugoslavian luxury
goods. Tito didn't get along with Stalin, it seems.
charles
2020-02-09 17:31:21 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by soup
There was NO war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
There have been a few declarations of war in that time. Also, Iraq,
Syria, and Lebanon have been officially at war with Israel since 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Declared_wars_since_1945
Thanks.
It's a pretty short list, though.
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Peter Moylan
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes enough
internal dissension for the government to fall.
Unless it doesn't.
It's a very effective technique, a classic case being the break-up of
Yugoslavia, which was particularly stable before the economic attacks
began. Off-hand, the only country I can think of that has held out is Cuba.
I'm not going to look into the history of Yugoslavia at the moment, but
North Korea, Russia, Iran, and Venezuela are all subject to sanctions
from the U.S. and other countries and have held out for some years.
Yugoslavia, although nominally a Communist country was held together by
Tito. Once he died, the country collapsed.
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Tak To
2020-02-10 16:00:52 UTC
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[U.S. and Iran]
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by soup
There was NO war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
There have been a few declarations of war in that time. Also, Iraq,
Syria, and Lebanon have been officially at war with Israel since 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Declared_wars_since_1945
Thanks.
It's a pretty short list, though.
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Peter Moylan
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes enough
internal dissension for the government to fall.
Unless it doesn't.
It's a very effective technique, a classic case being the break-up of
Yugoslavia, which was particularly stable before the economic attacks
began. Off-hand, the only country I can think of that has held out is Cuba.
I'm not going to look into the history of Yugoslavia at the moment, but
North Korea, Russia, Iran, and Venezuela are all subject to sanctions
from the U.S. and other countries and have held out for some years.
Also the PRC.
Post by charles
Yugoslavia, although nominally a Communist country was held together by
Tito. Once he died, the country collapsed.
Note especially that Tito was a Croat, not a Serb.
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Jerry Friedman
2020-02-10 16:10:23 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by soup
There was NO war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years or
more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare war.
There have been a few declarations of war in that time. Also, Iraq,
Syria, and Lebanon have been officially at war with Israel since 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Declared_wars_since_1945
Thanks.
It's a pretty short list, though.
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Peter Moylan
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes enough
internal dissension for the government to fall.
Unless it doesn't.
It's a very effective technique, a classic case being the break-up of
Yugoslavia, which was particularly stable before the economic attacks
began. Off-hand, the only country I can think of that has held out is Cuba.
I'm not going to look into the history of Yugoslavia at the moment, but
North Korea, Russia, Iran, and Venezuela are all subject to sanctions
from the U.S. and other countries and have held out for some years.
Also the PRC.
...

Yes, now that you mention it. I also recall that economic pressure was
tried against the early USSR.
--
Jerry Friedman
Quinn C
2020-02-11 00:33:53 UTC
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Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Peter Moylan
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes enough
internal dissension for the government to fall.
Unless it doesn't.
It's a very effective technique, a classic case being the break-up of
Yugoslavia, which was particularly stable before the economic attacks
began. Off-hand, the only country I can think of that has held out is Cuba.
I'm not going to look into the history of Yugoslavia at the moment, but
North Korea, Russia, Iran, and Venezuela are all subject to sanctions
from the U.S. and other countries and have held out for some years.
Also the PRC.
...
Yes, now that you mention it. I also recall that economic pressure was
tried against the early USSR.
And following the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan. Are those the only
times?

Of course, the sanctions against South Africa are held up as a
successful example, where even the hardship caused to ordinary people
was deemed worth it by the local opposition.
--
If men got pregnant, you could get an abortion at an ATM.
-- Selina Mayer, VEEP
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-10 10:54:18 UTC
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 11:25:59 GMT, soup
[U.S. and Iran]
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by soup
There was NO war.
There's definitely a bad situation in the Yemen.
As far as I know there hasn't been a war for the past fifty years
or more. For whatever reason, countries no longer formally declare
war.
There have been a few declarations of war in that time. Also, Iraq,
Syria, and Lebanon have been officially at war with Israel since 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Declared_wars_since_1945
Thanks.
It's a pretty short list, though.
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Peter Moylan
They just move in and start killing. Or, in some cases, they put
economic pressure on a country and wait until hardship causes
enough internal dissension for the government to fall.
Unless it doesn't.
It's a very effective technique, a classic case being the break-up of
Yugoslavia, which was particularly stable before the economic attacks
began.
That's an extremely optimistic view of Yougoslavia as was.
And the cause of their troubles was not economic at all.
It is highly unfair to blame the USA for what happened there.
Au contraire, the USA and the EU ended the troubles
by knocking some sense into (mostly Serbian) heads.

Jan
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2020-02-10 16:08:55 UTC
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[ … ]
It's a very effective technique, a classic case being the break-up of
Yugoslavia, which was particularly stable before the economic attacks
began.
That's an extremely optimistic view of Yougoslavia as was.
And the cause of their troubles was not economic at all.
It is highly unfair to blame the USA for what happened there.
Au contraire, the USA and the EU ended the troubles
by knocking some sense into (mostly Serbian) heads.
Mostly Serbian? As opposed to the saintly Croats, whose puppet regime
in the 1940s was so extremist that it went too far even for Heinrich
Himmler?
--
athel
J. J. Lodder
2020-02-11 09:34:04 UTC
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[ - ]
It's a very effective technique, a classic case being the break-up of
Yugoslavia, which was particularly stable before the economic attacks
began.
That's an extremely optimistic view of Yougoslavia as was.
And the cause of their troubles was not economic at all.
It is highly unfair to blame the USA for what happened there.
Au contraire, the USA and the EU ended the troubles
by knocking some sense into (mostly Serbian) heads.
Mostly Serbian? As opposed to the saintly Croats, whose puppet regime
in the 1940s was so extremist that it went too far even for Heinrich
Himmler?
If you consider it to be a puppet regime
there is no point in blaming the Croats for it,

Jan
s***@gmail.com
2020-02-07 17:39:43 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail and withdrew.
A rather strange view of what happened.
He (well a drone but...) killed a known terrorist organiser whose
'Generalship' was commander of the Quds Force, which has been deemed a
terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain,
The Iranians attacked bases claiming to kill 80 odd Americans .
The Americans claimed none were killed.
No families have come forward and said "my son/daughter was killed but
the PTB won't acknowledge it", so I tend to side with the Americans over
that.
Hardly an ass-kicking.
Between crushes at funerals,putting, down demonstrations etc
the Iranians have managed to kill 600odd Iranians .
They also managed to shoot down a Ukranian airliner thinking it was a
cruise missile.
There was NO war.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/world/middleeast/iraq-iran-brain-injuries.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/world/middleeast/iraq-iran-brain-injuries.html

once Americans learn that the other guy would hit back - all the clint eastwoods and chuck norrises and rambos would take up knitting.
David Kleinecke
2020-02-07 19:07:06 UTC
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All silly assholes like skippy here can do is abuse. The world has seen enough of these rotten eggs, unfit for poaching.
Trump is great as he has not started wars so far.
no nazi-admiring weakling - Trump DID start a war by killing an Iranian general - Iran kicked his ass but good and he tucked tail and withdrew.
A rather strange view of what happened.
He (well a drone but...) killed a known terrorist organiser whose
'Generalship' was commander of the Quds Force, which has been deemed a
terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain,
The Iranians attacked bases claiming to kill 80 odd Americans .
The Americans claimed none were killed.
No families have come forward and said "my son/daughter was killed but
the PTB won't acknowledge it", so I tend to side with the Americans over
that.
Hardly an ass-kicking.
Between crushes at funerals,putting, down demonstrations etc
the Iranians have managed to kill 600odd Iranians .
They also managed to shoot down a Ukranian airliner thinking it was a
cruise missile.
There was NO war.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/world/middleeast/iraq-iran-brain-injuries.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/world/middleeast/iraq-iran-brain-injuries.html
once Americans learn that the other guy would hit back - all the clint eastwoods and chuck norrises and rambos would take up knitting.
If it were John Bolton it would be interesting
Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-06 13:02:38 UTC
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Skippy squeals uncontrollably. The downfall of Democrats will lead to the thinning of the creamy layers. That he fears. A parasite like him will be forced to try to do some honest work and even learn bare good manners. Like, not spitting everywhere.
s***@gmail.com
2020-02-06 13:07:36 UTC
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Skippy squeals uncontrollably. The downfall of Democrats will lead to the thinning of the creamy layers. That he fears. A parasite like him will be forced to try to do some honest work and even learn bare good manners. Like, not spitting everywhere.
on the other hand if Republicans triumph, this POS hopes to clean up good, performing oral sex on his masters.
Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-07 11:55:31 UTC
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Skippy can only estimate others, all of whom are superior by far to him, by his own very low and most disgusting aspirations.
s***@gmail.com
2020-02-07 12:33:38 UTC
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Skippy can only estimate others, all of whom are superior by far to him, by his own very low and most disgusting aspirations.
hey disgusting, comically self-important POS - do you own a gun? thats a new rite of passage for Indian POSs who think they have made it in the west.
Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-08 13:10:30 UTC
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Are all USA Democrats lazy whiny cowardly abusive parasites like skippy here?
I hope, not!
The best among them secretly love Trump, don't they?
Alas, they don't dare show that. More forbidden than forbidden love ever was.
s***@gmail.com
2020-02-08 13:19:24 UTC
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The best among them secretly love Trump, don't they?
thats you - absurd pontificator.

It is YOUR butthole that is longing for Trump's shriveled old dick.
Peter T. Daniels
2020-02-08 15:00:11 UTC
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Are all USA Democrats lazy whiny cowardly abusive parasites like skippy here?
Democrats are nothing like skippy. You slander.
David Kleinecke
2020-02-08 16:44:57 UTC
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Are all USA Democrats lazy whiny cowardly abusive parasites like skippy here?
Democrats are nothing like skippy. You slander.
Actually Skippy acts very much like a typical Republican. It is
startling when he voices liberal ideas.
Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-09 00:21:03 UTC
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Are all USA Democrats lazy whiny cowardly abusive parasites like skippy here?
Democrats are nothing like skippy. You slander.
Actually Skippy acts very much like a typical Republican. It is
startling when he voices liberal ideas.
Skippy is grandiose in his abusiveness, strong in hatred and meanness, being the abominable cretin that he is: the worst kind of Republican.
On the other hand as a rude grabby beggar he can pass as fodder for Democrat leaders.
Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-09 00:15:25 UTC
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Are all USA Democrats lazy whiny cowardly abusive parasites like skippy here?
Democrats are nothing like skippy. You slander.
A question is not a statement. One needs to be an ass like Daniels to make it so.
Skippy evidently supports the stupid, lazy and corrupt Democrats in their mutual hatred for Trump.
There has to be some affinity.
Arindam Banerjee
2020-02-06 01:33:48 UTC
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Now Trump is hero and martyr as well, so any Democrat should be sincerely scared about getting nominated.
Impoached is a new word, signifying what happens to fools after they fail in their futile follies. It relates to a certain method of cooking eggs. The eggs need to be sound, though, and that is rare if ever in political metaphor. Imagination cannot conjure the sight and scent of a poached rotten egg.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
I note that the rotten egg here, skippy, has cracked on its own.
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