Post by Tony Cooper Post by Ken Blake Post by Lewis Post by Tony Cooper Post by Sam Plusnet Post by Lewis
People do spend a lot of time in cities other than the one they live in,
especially ones only a couple hundred miles away as London is from
Chester. More accurate would be Boston to NYC.
You are using a North American concept of "it's only a couple of hundred
miles" whilst, in the UK, that is a long journey.
I'm trying to decide if an American living in the UK would retain a US
sensibility to distance, or conform to the local model.
My internal jury is still out on that.
When I was in the UK on our trips there, I was still harboring the US
"60 miles = 60 minutes driving time" mentality. I soon found out that
"10 miles = 60 minutes driving time" from certain destinations to
That's a reasonable estimate for intercity travel involving Interstates.
It would be a very bad estimate in places like NYC, Boston, Los Angeles,
San Francisco, Atlanta, etc. Even in Denver, if I drive to my friend;s
house across town the drive distance is only about 25 miles, but it will
take 45-55m to get there, but only 35 on a weekend.
Yes. And it often depends on what time of day it is. Rush hour driving
into or out of a big city can take much longer
Yes, but Lewis's point was rather silly. I wouldn't be using the "60
miles = 60 minutes of driving time" if I was going to be driving
within the city. No one would.
That is the majority of people's driving.
Post by Tony Cooper
What I will add as an adjustment is which way I'm going when I leave
Orlando. For destinations to the north, the 60/60 figure is
reasonable. For destinations to the south, I have to add the time it
takes me to go through Orlando to get to the open highway. I live on
the north side of town.
And if you are going somewhere where there is not an Interstate or
equivalent highway convenient, your time will also be much slower. If I
drive on I-70 into the mountains I can pretty much count on 60MPH. If I
have to take a state highway up the mountains, it's more like 30MPH
average if it's a two lane highway, and if I get stuck behind some
flatlander in an RV it can drop to 20mhp.
Going to Estes Park involves a good highway up to Boulder, then driving
on surface streets for a bit, or taking a bypass and then less surface
streets that works out to about the same time, then a two lane US
highway (one lane each direction) up the mountains to Estes Park.
Total distance is about 75 miles and you can pretty much count on it
taking 2 hours, half of that is moutanin driving up a canyon. It can
easily be 3 hours, or even more if there is a winter storm.
Salida, CO is to the south, and there are no interstates involved in
getting there, though US-285 is a good road and is four lanes most of
the way, but still has low speed limit areas, stop lights, and stretches
with no passing zones and the inevitable person from a stat with no
mountains driving their RV 20mph and refusing to use the pull-outs as
state law requires. That trip is a little over 120 miles and during the
day takes 3 - 3.5 hours. There is an alternate route that involves more
Interstate driving, but it is at least 30 minutes longer, and that
assumes you do not hit construction in Colorado Springs. In the entire
time I have lived in Colorado, there has never been a day where I did
not hit construction in Colorado Springs.
Both of these places are places we go (er, went) with some regularity.
In addition, I used to drive all over the state and know that if you get
off the 2 1/2¹ Interstates your speed drops precipitously.
I also do not recommend you count on averaging 60mph driving on the east
coast. For example, the drive from Richmond VA to Washington DC which I
have made many times is an Interstate and mostly rural, but can easily
be a 20-30mph traffic jam the entire way. And often, there is no rhyme
nor reason for why it is so slow. I've certainly made that drive in
under 2 hours, but I've also had it take 5. There's nothing quite like
being in bumper to bumper traffic on a stretch of highway 50 miles from
the nearest city.
¹ I-25, I-70, and I-76 is the half. You can average 80mph on I-76, but
that's because it goes through a vast wasteland, there are no other
cars, and you have to want to go to Nebraska. I am not counting I-270 or
I-225 as separate Interstates, and they only exist within Denver anyway.
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