Post by Tony Cooper Post by Pamela
There was a time when you would refer to being very worn out by saying it
was like "10 rounds with Mike Tyson".
Before Tyson, you may have said "10 rounds with Mohammed Ali".
To hide how old and crusty I am, which boxer should be used instead of
Depends on the age of the other person. Boxing, in the US, is not a
sport that is particularly popular. Yes, there are boxing fans, and
some boxing is available on TV, but the "sport" doesn't have the
following it used to have in the days of the Gillette Friday Night
Pressed to name a famous boxer in recent years, Mike Tyson and
Mohammed Ali are the only two that I can think of. Those two had
reputations for more than being boxers. Tyson for his ear-biting and
Ali for much more. Maybe George Foreman, but he may be better known
for his business ventures and the naming of his children.
I'd stick with Mike Tyson for your example.
For mainstream NA English, I think it's the expression that is very
worn out; there
is very little boxing material in the language as spoken today. That's mainly
because as you say, boxing has fallen out of the mainstream. I couldn't name
any of the top 10 heavyweights of today, and there was a time when nearly
everyone could name at least the world champion and one or two contenders.
I have a vague notion that the champion now is probably a very tall Russian,
but that might have changed since the last time I looked.
That said, both Ali and Tyson, especially the latter, were known for early
knock-outs, not exhausting 10-rounders. And I don't recall an expression
such as "I feel like I've gone 10 rounds with (Joe Boxer)" being all
Finally, it strikes me now that I don't recall "Pamela Poster" being with us
before this thread, and I'm wondering if we have one of our nym-shifting
regulars involving us in one of unfocused discussions.