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Having just returned from the UK
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Dingbat
2018-05-08 07:36:36 UTC
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Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from

1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)

The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.

I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2018-05-08 07:49:20 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
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Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
What on earth do you mean by "acceptable"? I'm surprised that you
didn't find Inverness "acceptable". By "St. Ivers" I suppose you mean
St. Ives, but which one: Cornwall or Cambridgeshire? Did all these
people find your accent acceptable?
Post by Dingbat
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
It comes from practice. When I first lived in France I couldn't
recognize a Québécois accent, but now it sticks out like a sore thumb.
--
athel
Dingbat
2018-05-08 08:23:21 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
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Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
What on earth do you mean by "acceptable"?
Apart from comprehensible, also pucka, polished, etc.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I'm surprised that you
didn't find Inverness "acceptable".
English in Inverness 'not so fit for a Queen' | The Scotsman
https://www.scotsman.com/news/english-in-inverness-not-so-fit-for-a-queen-1-681868
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
By "St. Ivers" I suppose you mean
St. Ives, but which one: Cornwall or Cambridgeshire?
St. Ives, Cornwall.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Did all these
people find your accent acceptable?
The lady from Maida Vale and the gent from St Ives liked my accent.
The lady from Chichesgter, raised in Cambridge, didn't comment.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Dingbat
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
It comes from practice. When I first lived in France I couldn't
recognize a Québécois accent, but now it sticks out like a sore thumb.
--
athel
Snidely
2018-05-10 07:31:22 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Dingbat
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Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
What on earth do you mean by "acceptable"?
Apart from comprehensible, also pucka, polished, etc.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I'm surprised that you
didn't find Inverness "acceptable".
English in Inverness 'not so fit for a Queen' | The Scotsman
https://www.scotsman.com/news/english-in-inverness-not-so-fit-for-a-queen-1-681868
I didn't have any negative aesthetic impressions of the speakers in
Inverness when I was there in 2-nought-nought-nought. I didn't do much
shopping there, but took a couple tours (Culloden and the ruins of
Urquhart, which are in opposite directions). The host of the B&B and
the host of the pub were my other main ear-sources.

Glasgow sounded attractive to me, once I got past the "that's allude"
by the Customs officer (translation: "that's allowed").

And Edinburgh was easy on my ears, until the codger in the pub
established that we were Americans, and treated us to a swift flow of a
a dialect I had no clue about. Better than the Scottish National
Portrait Gallery!

I don't think the few days I was there were enough for me to pick out
which accent was which if you were to blindfold me and test me with a
random individual. It was enough that I would have started to lilt if
I hadn't told myself not to (I wanted to, but didn't want to be accused
of mocking).

[A few years earlier, in SoCal, I heard presentations by a team of HP
folk that included Scots ... one from Edinburgh and one from Glasgow.
They told us we could probably understand each of them better than they
could understand each other.]

/dps
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Ieri, oggi, domani
Dingbat
2018-05-08 12:34:19 UTC
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Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, London, Brighton, Cardiff,
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives), the only "acceptable" English
accents I heard there were of persons from
I've corrected the list of places I was in.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
What on earth do you mean by "acceptable"? I'm surprised that you
didn't find Inverness "acceptable".
Inverness is supposed to speak the best English by virtue of having once
been highlanders with little influence from Scots. The same has been said
about Hanover speaking the best German by virtue of once having been low
German speakers with little influence from dialectal high German. Well,
the "best" English I heard was in Cambridge - the city (i.e., not
Cambridgeshire in general.)
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
By "St. Ivers" I suppose you mean
St. Ives, but which one: Cornwall or Cambridgeshire? Did all these
people find your accent acceptable?
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
It comes from practice. When I first lived in France I couldn't
recognize a Québécois accent, but now it sticks out like a sore thumb.
When I heard "The Slug and Lettuce" as "The Sloggen Lettuce", I had enough
practice to know what the Mancunian (in this case) speaker was saying; I
just didn't find the pronunciation "acceptable".
Harrison Hill
2018-05-08 13:54:34 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
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Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, London, Brighton, Cardiff,
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives), the only "acceptable" English
accents I heard there were of persons from
I've corrected the list of places I was in.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
What on earth do you mean by "acceptable"? I'm surprised that you
didn't find Inverness "acceptable".
Inverness is supposed to speak the best English by virtue of having once
been highlanders with little influence from Scots.
You cannot be serious! The highlanders spoke Gaelic, not English.
Post by Dingbat
The same has been said
about Hanover speaking the best German by virtue of once having been low
German speakers with little influence from dialectal high German. Well,
the "best" English I heard was in Cambridge - the city (i.e., not
Cambridgeshire in general.)
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
By "St. Ivers" I suppose you mean
St. Ives, but which one: Cornwall or Cambridgeshire? Did all these
people find your accent acceptable?
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
It comes from practice. When I first lived in France I couldn't
recognize a Québécois accent, but now it sticks out like a sore thumb.
When I heard "The Slug and Lettuce" as "The Sloggen Lettuce", I had enough
practice to know what the Mancunian (in this case) speaker was saying; I
just didn't find the pronunciation "acceptable".
Whiskers
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Inverness is supposed to speak the best English by virtue of having once
been highlanders with little influence from Scots.
You cannot be serious! The highlanders spoke Gaelic, not English.
[...]

That could be why Inverness English managed not to be unduly
influenced by Scots, if the people who brought English to the
area weren't speaking Scots (or Doric).
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Harrison Hill
2018-05-08 18:31:02 UTC
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Post by Harrison Hill
Post by Dingbat
Inverness is supposed to speak the best English by virtue of having once
been highlanders with little influence from Scots.
You cannot be serious! The highlanders spoke Gaelic, not English.
[...]
That could be why Inverness English managed not to be unduly
influenced by Scots, if the people who brought English to the
area weren't speaking Scots (or Doric).
Erm...where did those people come from I wonder :)
Whiskers
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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Post by Whiskers
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Post by Harrison Hill
Post by Dingbat
Inverness is supposed to speak the best English by virtue of having once
been highlanders with little influence from Scots.
You cannot be serious! The highlanders spoke Gaelic, not English.
[...]
That could be why Inverness English managed not to be unduly
influenced by Scots, if the people who brought English to the
area weren't speaking Scots (or Doric).
Erm...where did those people come from I wonder :)
Texas? Or is that Aberdeen?
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Peter Moylan
2018-05-09 06:27:56 UTC
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Post by Harrison Hill
Post by Dingbat
Inverness is supposed to speak the best English by virtue of having once
been highlanders with little influence from Scots.
You cannot be serious! The highlanders spoke Gaelic, not English.
[...]
That could be why Inverness English managed not to be unduly
influenced by Scots, if the people who brought English to the
area weren't speaking Scots (or Doric).
Erm...where did those people come from I wonder :)
English tourists.
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Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Sam Plusnet
2018-05-09 22:33:11 UTC
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Post by Harrison Hill
On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 1:19:23 PM UTC+5:30, Athel
[...]
Post by Harrison Hill
Inverness is supposed to speak the best English by virtue of having once
  been highlanders with little influence from Scots.
You cannot be serious! The highlanders spoke Gaelic, not English.
[...]
That could be why Inverness English managed not to be unduly
  influenced by Scots, if the people who brought English to the
  area weren't speaking Scots (or Doric).
Erm...where did those people come from I wonder :)
English tourists.
Doctor Johnson and...?
Boswell doesn't count.
--
Sam Plusnet
Dingbat
2018-05-08 14:42:27 UTC
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Post by Harrison Hill
Post by Dingbat
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
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Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, London, Brighton, Cardiff,
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives), the only "acceptable" English
accents I heard there were of persons from
I've corrected the list of places I was in.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
What on earth do you mean by "acceptable"? I'm surprised that you
didn't find Inverness "acceptable".
Inverness is supposed to speak the best English by virtue of having once
been highlanders with little influence from Scots.
You cannot be serious! The highlanders spoke Gaelic, not English.
... which made their English a 2nd language uninfluenced by dialects other
than their teachers' dialects.
Post by Harrison Hill
Post by Dingbat
The same has been said
about Hanover speaking the best German by virtue of once having been
low German speakers with little influence from dialectal high German.
Well, the "best" English I heard was in Cambridge - the city (i.e.,
not Cambridgeshire in general.)
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
By "St. Ivers" I suppose you mean
St. Ives, but which one: Cornwall or Cambridgeshire? Did all these
people find your accent acceptable?
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
It comes from practice. When I first lived in France I couldn't
recognize a Québécois accent, but now it sticks out like a sore thumb.
When I heard "The Slug and Lettuce" as "The Sloggen Lettuce", I had
enough practice to know what the Mancunian (in this case) speaker was
saying; I just didn't find the pronunciation "acceptable".
Pierre Jelenc
2018-05-09 23:35:35 UTC
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Post by Harrison Hill
Post by Dingbat
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
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Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, London, Brighton, Cardiff,
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives), the only "acceptable" English
accents I heard there were of persons from
I've corrected the list of places I was in.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
What on earth do you mean by "acceptable"? I'm surprised that you
didn't find Inverness "acceptable".
Inverness is supposed to speak the best English by virtue of having once
been highlanders with little influence from Scots.
You cannot be serious! The highlanders spoke Gaelic, not English.
... which made their English a 2nd language uninfluenced by dialects other
than their teachers' dialects.
Who --at the time when Inverness was switching away from Gaelic-- taught
some version of RP regardless of what their native dialect was.

Pierre
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Madrigal Gurneyhalt
2018-05-10 11:31:32 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Post by Harrison Hill
Post by Dingbat
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
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Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, London, Brighton, Cardiff,
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives), the only "acceptable" English
accents I heard there were of persons from
I've corrected the list of places I was in.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
What on earth do you mean by "acceptable"? I'm surprised that you
didn't find Inverness "acceptable".
Inverness is supposed to speak the best English by virtue of having once
been highlanders with little influence from Scots.
You cannot be serious! The highlanders spoke Gaelic, not English.
... which made their English a 2nd language uninfluenced by dialects other
than their teachers' dialects.
Who --at the time when Inverness was switching away from Gaelic-- taught
some version of RP regardless of what their native dialect was.
They weren't 'switching away from Gaelic'. Gaelic was banned by the
bastard English in an act of repression so shaming that reparations
are still, in effect, being paid!
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2018-05-10 13:06:00 UTC
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Post by Madrigal Gurneyhalt
Post by Pierre Jelenc
Post by Dingbat
Post by Harrison Hill
Post by Dingbat
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
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Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, London, Brighton, Cardiff,
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives), the only "acceptable" English
accents I heard there were of persons from
I've corrected the list of places I was in.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
What on earth do you mean by "acceptable"? I'm surprised that you
didn't find Inverness "acceptable".
Inverness is supposed to speak the best English by virtue of having once
been highlanders with little influence from Scots.
You cannot be serious! The highlanders spoke Gaelic, not English.
... which made their English a 2nd language uninfluenced by dialects other
than their teachers' dialects.
Who --at the time when Inverness was switching away from Gaelic-- taught
some version of RP regardless of what their native dialect was.
They weren't 'switching away from Gaelic'. Gaelic was banned by the
bastard English in an act of repression so shaming that reparations
are still, in effect, being paid!
Gaelic was the language of the Irish invaders.

Until 200-300 years ago in Scotland "Irish" was used as here:

Chiefly Sc. Designating a native, esp. Gaelic-speaking, inhabitant
of the Scottish Highlands or Islands. Cf. sense A. 3b, Scot n.1 1.
Obs. {OED}
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
b***@shaw.ca
2018-05-09 00:13:53 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
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Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
What on earth do you mean by "acceptable"? I'm surprised that you
didn't find Inverness "acceptable". By "St. Ivers" I suppose you mean
St. Ives, but which one: Cornwall or Cambridgeshire? Did all these
people find your accent acceptable?
Post by Dingbat
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
It comes from practice. When I first lived in France I couldn't
recognize a Québécois accent, but now it sticks out like a sore thumb.
It's not acceptable to you?

bill
CDB
2018-05-09 04:00:45 UTC
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[variously unacceptable accents]
Post by b***@shaw.ca
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Dingbat
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
It comes from practice. When I first lived in France I couldn't
recognize a Québécois accent, but now it sticks out like a sore thumb.
It's not acceptable to you?
Maybe he meant "proudly".
Madrigal Gurneyhalt
2018-05-08 11:18:29 UTC
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Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
You must let us know the next time you're over. I've got
a brigade of pitchfork carriers I'd love you to meet!
Dingbat
2018-05-08 12:37:37 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
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Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
You must let us know the next time you're over. I've got
a brigade of pitchfork carriers I'd love you to meet!
Tut tut. The people were nice in general regardless of their accents;
you must have friends in the lowest places if you know so many
pitchfork wielders.
Whiskers
2018-05-08 13:10:54 UTC
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Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
The people from Cambridge Maida Vale and High Wycombe whose accents you
approved of, were almost certainly not speaking the regional accents
associated with those places. They would have been using something
close to whatever passes now for 'Received Pronunciation'.

I do hope you managed to have a good time. You certainly covered a lot
of territory - very nearly all of it!
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-- Whiskers
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Paul Carmichael
2018-05-08 14:26:57 UTC
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Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
The people from Cambridge Maida Vale and High Wycombe whose accents you
approved of, were almost certainly not speaking the regional accents
associated with those places.
I lived in Bucks for quite some time and can tell you that the local accent is very strong
and rural. Oo arr. Admittedly there is a lot of overspill from the Smoke, so there's a bit
of various London accents as well.
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Paul.

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Sam Plusnet
2018-05-09 01:29:31 UTC
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Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.

Where were you aiming for?
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Sam Plusnet
Dingbat
2018-05-09 02:23:56 UTC
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Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted from
where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a base,
I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took
a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Harrison Hill
2018-05-09 07:00:15 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
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Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted from
where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a base,
I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took
a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
You were wise to miss out Yorkshire. Unhalted "gurners" and "upper cleft":

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvCIrX-Zlc>
Harrison Hill
2018-05-09 07:20:48 UTC
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Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted from
where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a base,
I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took
a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvCIrX-Zlc>
Oops no, I see I have my roses muddled up, and Dawson was a red-rose
Mancunian. Here's a sad indictment of the English class system - which
you seem to have instinctively noticed, as we all do - from Les Dawson's
wiki page:

"Before his fame Dawson wrote poetry and kept it secret. It was not
expected that someone of his working-class background would have
literary ambitions. In a BBC Television documentary, he spoke of his
love for canonical figures in English literature, in particular the
19th century essayist Charles Lamb, whose florid style influenced
Dawson's".

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Dawson>
Dingbat
2018-05-09 09:01:14 UTC
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<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvCIrX-Zlc>
I was in Humberside, Yorkshire and Edinburgh on a previous trip.
LFS
2018-05-09 11:30:32 UTC
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...
Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted from
where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a base,
I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took
a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
--
Laura (emulate St George for email)
Dingbat
2018-05-09 12:33:19 UTC
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Post by LFS
Post by Dingbat
Post by Sam Plusnet
...
Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff,
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted
from where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the
Continent to Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using
Liverpool as a base, I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and
Birmingham. I then took the Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to
Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the Caledonian Sleeper to London
Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took a train to Cardiff and
next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took the Night Riviera
sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next, trains to
Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
I was in Oxford (and Bath) on a prior visit. It had too many Oxonians:-)
Peter T. Daniels
2018-05-09 12:41:23 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Post by LFS
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
I was in Oxford (and Bath) on a prior visit. It had too many Oxonians:-)
When I was there on an October '92 Saturday afternoon, there was an organ
scholar tootling away in each chapel. Quite nice.
Dingbat
2018-05-09 14:15:43 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Dingbat
Post by LFS
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
I was in Oxford (and Bath) on a prior visit. It had too many Oxonians:-)
When I was there on an October '92 Saturday afternoon, there was an organ
scholar tootling away in each chapel. Quite nice.
I'm jealous! There's a daily 13:00 organ recital at Kelvingrove Museum in
Glasgow. One of the most delightful organ recitals I've heard was at St
Maclou in Rouen.
Peter T. Daniels
2018-05-09 14:24:33 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Dingbat
Post by LFS
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
I was in Oxford (and Bath) on a prior visit. It had too many Oxonians:-)
When I was there on an October '92 Saturday afternoon, there was an organ
scholar tootling away in each chapel. Quite nice.
I'm jealous! There's a daily 13:00 organ recital at Kelvingrove Museum in
Glasgow. One of the most delightful organ recitals I've heard was at St
Maclou in Rouen.
St. Paul's Chapel (across the street from the World Trade Center) just got
a new organ, and they're having 1 pm hour-long recitals by guest artists
from around the area each Friday since February. There are several more
on the schedule.
RH Draney
2018-05-09 23:21:33 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Dingbat
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Dingbat
Post by LFS
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
I was in Oxford (and Bath) on a prior visit. It had too many Oxonians:-)
When I was there on an October '92 Saturday afternoon, there was an organ
scholar tootling away in each chapel. Quite nice.
I'm jealous! There's a daily 13:00 organ recital at Kelvingrove Museum in
Glasgow. One of the most delightful organ recitals I've heard was at St
Maclou in Rouen.
St. Paul's Chapel (across the street from the World Trade Center) just got
a new organ, and they're having 1 pm hour-long recitals by guest artists
from around the area each Friday since February. There are several more
on the schedule.
And that, dear friends, is why Christianity is considered an "organized"
religion....r
Peter T. Daniels
2018-05-10 03:27:00 UTC
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Post by RH Draney
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Dingbat
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Dingbat
Post by LFS
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
I was in Oxford (and Bath) on a prior visit. It had too many Oxonians:-)
When I was there on an October '92 Saturday afternoon, there was an organ
scholar tootling away in each chapel. Quite nice.
I'm jealous! There's a daily 13:00 organ recital at Kelvingrove Museum in
Glasgow. One of the most delightful organ recitals I've heard was at St
Maclou in Rouen.
St. Paul's Chapel (across the street from the World Trade Center) just got
a new organ, and they're having 1 pm hour-long recitals by guest artists
from around the area each Friday since February. There are several more
on the schedule.
And that, dear friends, is why Christianity is considered an "organized"
religion....r
OTOH, Trinity Church is closing this week for about two years, for a full
renovation and restoration -- it hasn't had a proper face lift since 1946,
they say. Trinity, maybe half a mile south of St. Paul's, also on Broadway,
suffered more on 9/11: the pipes of its organ filled up with ash, which
solidified. Rather than restore it, they junked it (they said) -- but it
was just revealed that it was sold to a church somewhere in the country
which made it operational for only $1M. Trinity has gotten by with an
electronic organ for at least 10 years, which may be why they finally
moved all their music programs to St. Paul's in the last few years.

St. Paul's was untouched on 9/11, despite being directly across the street,
and for more than a year served as the R&R HQ for all who worked on "the
pile" afterward.
Jerry Friedman
2018-05-10 16:37:06 UTC
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Post by RH Draney
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Dingbat
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Dingbat
Post by LFS
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
I was in Oxford (and Bath) on a prior visit. It had too many Oxonians:-)
When I was there on an October '92 Saturday afternoon, there was an organ
scholar tootling away in each chapel. Quite nice.
I'm jealous! There's a daily 13:00 organ recital at Kelvingrove Museum in
Glasgow. One of the most delightful organ recitals I've heard was at St
Maclou in Rouen.
St. Paul's Chapel (across the street from the World Trade Center) just got
a new organ, and they're having 1 pm hour-long recitals by guest artists
from around the area each Friday since February. There are several more
on the schedule.
And that, dear friends, is why Christianity is considered an "organized"
religion....r
Must steal that. The Reform temple I went to as a boy was
organized.
--
Jerry Friedman
Reinhold {Rey} Aman
2018-05-09 16:19:28 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
I'm jealous!
No, you're *envious*.
--
~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~
Dingbat
2018-05-09 20:38:15 UTC
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Post by Reinhold {Rey} Aman
Post by Dingbat
I'm jealous!
No, you're *envious*.
Thank you!

Envy is when you want what someone else has, but jealousy is when you're
worried someone's trying to take what you have.
https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/envy-jealousy/
Richard Tobin
2018-05-09 22:04:07 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Post by Reinhold {Rey} Aman
Post by Dingbat
I'm jealous!
No, you're *envious*.
Thank you!
Envy is when you want what someone else has, but jealousy is when you're
worried someone's trying to take what you have.
"Jealous" has both meanings.

-- Richard
Harrison Hill
2018-05-09 13:43:03 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Post by LFS
Post by Dingbat
Post by Sam Plusnet
...
Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff,
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted
from where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the
Continent to Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using
Liverpool as a base, I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and
Birmingham. I then took the Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to
Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the Caledonian Sleeper to London
Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took a train to Cardiff and
next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took the Night Riviera
sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next, trains to
Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
I was in Oxford (and Bath) on a prior visit. It had too many Oxonians:-)
My wife's summary of Edinburgh: "Too many bag-pipes".
Whiskers
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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Post by Harrison Hill
My wife's summary of Edinburgh: "Too many bag-pipes".
I suspect most natives of Edinburgh would agree.
--
^^^^^^^^^^
Whiskers
~~~~~~~~~~


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Joseph C. Fineman
2018-05-09 22:34:00 UTC
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Post by Whiskers
Post by Harrison Hill
My wife's summary of Edinburgh: "Too many bag-pipes".
I suspect most natives of Edinburgh would agree.
"Welcome to heaven. Here's your harp."
"Welcome to hell. Here's your bagpipe."
--
--- Joe Fineman ***@verizon.net

||: Felicificity: Happiness per unit luck. :||
Peter Moylan
2018-05-10 02:52:05 UTC
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Post by Whiskers
Post by Harrison Hill
My wife's summary of Edinburgh: "Too many bag-pipes".
I suspect most natives of Edinburgh would agree.
Bagpipes are supposed to be heard from a distant hill. If you're hearing
them close up, something has gone wrong.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Snidely
2018-05-10 07:46:41 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Whiskers
Post by Harrison Hill
My wife's summary of Edinburgh: "Too many bag-pipes".
I suspect most natives of Edinburgh would agree.
Bagpipes are supposed to be heard from a distant hill. If you're hearing
them close up, something has gone wrong.
I've heard piobreach in a small amphitheater, with the pipers playing
for judges. I don't understand the architecture of piobreach very
well, but then there are a lot jazz solos I don't understand, and
portions of Tchaikovsky symphonies that I don't often recognize.

There was a piper for the services of my ex's parents in a National
Cemetary. Colonel, RET AAC/USAAF, beginning in England in 1942 (I
think that year). The Air Force also provided a volley ... the literal
parting shots.

/dps "the amphitheater is still there 40+ years later"
45°28'54.84" N 122°37'55.71" W
https://goo.gl/maps/P4jva9pEbFM2
--
The presence of this syntax results from the fact that SQLite is really
a Tcl extension that has escaped into the wild.
<http://www.sqlite.org/lang_expr.html>
Sam Plusnet
2018-05-10 23:19:51 UTC
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Post by Snidely
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Whiskers
Post by Harrison Hill
My wife's summary of Edinburgh: "Too many bag-pipes".
I suspect most natives of Edinburgh would agree.
Bagpipes are supposed to be heard from a distant hill. If you're hearing
them close up, something has gone wrong.
I've heard piobreach in a small amphitheater, with the pipers playing
for judges.  I don't understand the architecture of piobreach very well,
but then there are a lot jazz solos I don't understand, and portions of
Tchaikovsky symphonies that I don't often recognize.
There was a piper for the services of my ex's parents in a National
Cemetary.  Colonel, RET AAC/USAAF, beginning in England in 1942 (I think
that year).  The Air Force also provided a volley ... the literal
parting shots.
Am I wrong in believing that French Army funerals (once?) involved
firing a volley into the grave rather than over it?
--
Sam Plusnet
Peter Moylan
2018-05-11 06:52:49 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Am I wrong in believing that French Army funerals (once?) involved
firing a volley into the grave rather than over it?
There have been horror stories in the past about accidentally buried
people waking up inside a coffin. Firing a volley into the grave would
solve that problem.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Peter T. Daniels
2018-05-09 12:39:16 UTC
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Post by LFS
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
What can you tell me of the Weston Library lunch time Public Seminars?
That's what I'll be doing on the 17th of July.
Harrison Hill
2018-05-09 13:40:26 UTC
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Post by LFS
Post by Dingbat
Post by Sam Plusnet
...
Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted from
where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a base,
I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took
a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
I see the people of Venice are rebelling against their tourists,
who they accuse of ruining the city for everybody.

"Venice’s population has fallen from about 175,000 in the post-second
world war years to 55,000 today".

<https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/23/venice-tempers-boil-over-tourist-high-season>
Lewis
2018-05-09 14:03:26 UTC
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Post by LFS
Post by Dingbat
Post by Sam Plusnet
...
Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted from
where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a base,
I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took
a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Thank you for avoiding Oxford. We have far too many tourists as it is.
This is the worst version of the St Ives puzzle I've ever heard.
--
I'm from a predominately black family—Eddie Murphy
Sam Plusnet
2018-05-09 22:36:17 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Post by Sam Plusnet
...
Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted from
where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a base,
I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took
a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Oh take no notice of my foolishness.
Having lived in the UK for pretty much my whole life, there were three
cities on your original list that I haven't yet visited.
--
Sam Plusnet
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2018-05-10 05:36:22 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Post by Sam Plusnet
...
Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted from
where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a base,
I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took
a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Oh take no notice of my foolishness.
Having lived in the UK for pretty much my whole life, there were three
cities on your original list that I haven't yet visited.
Only one for me: Cardiff. (Actually I'm not sure if I've ever been to St Ives.)
--
athel
Kerr-Mudd,John
2018-05-10 09:14:18 UTC
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On Thu, 10 May 2018 05:36:22 GMT, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Post by Sam Plusnet
...
Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff,
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted
from where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the
Continent to Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using
Liverpool as a base, I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and
Birmingham. I then took the Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to
Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the Caledonian Sleeper to London
Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took a train to Cardiff and
next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took the Night Riviera
sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next, trains to
Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington. I then
stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Oh take no notice of my foolishness.
Having lived in the UK for pretty much my whole life, there were
three cities on your original list that I haven't yet visited.
Only one for me: Cardiff. (Actually I'm not sure if I've ever been to St Ives.)
As a sea-side resort, I'd say it's over-rated.

{insert query here}

Yes.
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Sam Plusnet
2018-05-10 23:22:48 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Thu, 10 May 2018 05:36:22 GMT, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Post by Sam Plusnet
...
Having just returned from the UK (Cambridge, Brighton, Cardiff,
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ives, Portsmouth, Wight, London),
You seem to be having some serious difficulties with your SatNav system.
I've made the list of UK places complete.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Where were you aiming for?
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted
from where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the
Continent to Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using
Liverpool as a base, I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and
Birmingham. I then took the Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to
Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the Caledonian Sleeper to London
Euston. I made my way to Paddington and took a train to Cardiff and
next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took the Night Riviera
sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next, trains to
Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington. I then
stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Oh take no notice of my foolishness.
Having lived in the UK for pretty much my whole life, there were
three cities on your original list that I haven't yet visited.
Only one for me: Cardiff. (Actually I'm not sure if I've ever been to St Ives.)
As a sea-side resort, I'd say it's over-rated.
{insert query here}
Yes.
Whilst I still quite like the place, but we usually stay in Hayle & just
visit for the day or evening.

My not-visited list is Inverness Aberdeen & Cambridge.
--
Sam Plusnet
the Omrud
2018-05-10 09:28:55 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted
from where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a
base, I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and
took a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Oh take no notice of my foolishness.
Having lived in the UK for pretty much my whole life, there were three
cities on your original list that I haven't yet visited.
Only one for me: Cardiff. (Actually I'm not sure if I've ever been to St Ives.)
Exeter and St Ives for me. I have been to the Isle of Wight but I was
three and I only remember the exciting engine on the ferry. My parents
lost me on the boat, and eventually found me drooling over the machinery
below decks.

How many Brits here have actually visited Crewe, other than to change
trains in the station? I worked in the town for a year in the 80s and
my final employer has a significant office there which I visited every
few weeks, so I'm probably one of the few. Not an attractive town, Crewe.
--
David
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2018-05-10 09:44:47 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted
from where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a
base, I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and
took a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Oh take no notice of my foolishness.
Having lived in the UK for pretty much my whole life, there were three
cities on your original list that I haven't yet visited.
Only one for me: Cardiff. (Actually I'm not sure if I've ever been to St Ives.)
Exeter and St Ives for me. I have been to the Isle of Wight but I was
three and I only remember the exciting engine on the ferry. My parents
lost me on the boat, and eventually found me drooling over the
machinery below decks.
How many Brits here have actually visited Crewe, other than to change
trains in the station? I worked in the town for a year in the 80s and
my final employer has a significant office there which I visited every
few weeks, so I'm probably one of the few. Not an attractive town, Crewe.
I've certainly changed trains many times in Crewe, but I don't think
I've had the pleasure of visiting the town.

I think of my home town as Newton Abbot, which could be regarded as the
southwest's answer to Crewe. However, although it's now one of Devon's
most beautiful locations it's a lot nicer than Crewe. I'm trying to
remember the name of the place, dominated by a prison, where the lines
to Edinburgh and Glasgow separate. As soon as I've pressed Send I'll
probably remember.


--
athel
John Dunlop
2018-05-10 10:13:38 UTC
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[...] I'm trying to remember the name of the place, dominated by a
prison, where the lines to Edinburgh and Glasgow separate. As soon as
I've pressed Send I'll probably remember.
Carstairs. Not your run-of-the-mill prison:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Hospital
--
John
Janet
2018-05-10 15:22:56 UTC
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In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@imm.cnrs.fr
says...
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by the Omrud
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted
from where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a
base, I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and
took a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Oh take no notice of my foolishness.
Having lived in the UK for pretty much my whole life, there were three
cities on your original list that I haven't yet visited.
Only one for me: Cardiff. (Actually I'm not sure if I've ever been to St Ives.)
Exeter and St Ives for me. I have been to the Isle of Wight but I was
three and I only remember the exciting engine on the ferry. My parents
lost me on the boat, and eventually found me drooling over the
machinery below decks.
How many Brits here have actually visited Crewe, other than to change
trains in the station? I worked in the town for a year in the 80s and
my final employer has a significant office there which I visited every
few weeks, so I'm probably one of the few. Not an attractive town, Crewe.
I've certainly changed trains many times in Crewe, but I don't think
I've had the pleasure of visiting the town.
I think of my home town as Newton Abbot, which could be regarded as the
southwest's answer to Crewe. However, although it's now one of Devon's
most beautiful locations it's a lot nicer than Crewe. I'm trying to
remember the name of the place, dominated by a prison, where the lines
to Edinburgh and Glasgow separate. As soon as I've pressed Send I'll
Carstairs.

Janet.
LFS
2018-05-10 14:28:08 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew to
Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to Stansted
from where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as a
base, I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen and the
Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to Paddington and
took a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol. Returning to
Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to Paddington.
I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using that as a base,
visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Oh take no notice of my foolishness.
Having lived in the UK for pretty much my whole life, there were
three cities on your original list that I haven't yet visited.
Only one for me: Cardiff. (Actually I'm not sure if I've ever been to St Ives.)
Exeter and St Ives for me.   I have been to the Isle of Wight but I was
three and I only remember the exciting engine on the ferry.  My parents
lost me on the boat, and eventually found me drooling over the machinery
below decks.
How many Brits here have actually visited Crewe, other than to change
trains in the station?  I worked in the town for a year in the 80s and
my final employer has a significant office there which I visited every
few weeks, so I'm probably one of the few.  Not an attractive town, Crewe.
I have, when I was an auditor. You are right.

I haven't been to St Ives or Inverness but I've visited all the other
places.
--
Laura (emulate St George for email)
Kerr-Mudd,John
2018-05-10 15:26:07 UTC
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Post by LFS
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew
to Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to
Stansted from where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from
the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as
a base, I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I
then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen
and the Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to
Paddington and took a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol.
Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to
Paddington. I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using
that as a base, visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Oh take no notice of my foolishness.
Having lived in the UK for pretty much my whole life, there were
three cities on your original list that I haven't yet visited.
Only one for me: Cardiff. (Actually I'm not sure if I've ever been to St Ives.)
Exeter and St Ives for me.   I have been to the Isle of Wight but I
was three and I only remember the exciting engine on the ferry.  My
parents lost me on the boat, and eventually found me drooling over
the machinery below decks.
How many Brits here have actually visited Crewe, other than to change
trains in the station?  I worked in the town for a year in the 80s
and my final employer has a significant office there which I visited
every few weeks, so I'm probably one of the few.  Not an attractive
town, Crewe.
I have, when I was an auditor. You are right.
I haven't been to St Ives or Inverness but I've visited all the other
places.
It's fine if you like railways.
There's a few good pubs, notably
https://whatpub.com/pubs/CHS/2276/hops-crewe
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Kerr-Mudd,John
2018-05-10 15:26:43 UTC
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Post by LFS
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Places other than London where I have been too many times. I flew
to Heathrow and went to Cambridge to see it and to be close to
Stansted from where I was to fly to the Continent. I returned from
the Continent to
Manchester and stayed a few days in Liverpool. Using Liverpool as
a base, I made day trips to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I
then took the
Caledonian Sleeper from Crewe to Inverness, a train to Aberdeen
and the Caledonian Sleeper to London Euston. I made my way to
Paddington and took a train to Cardiff and next to Bristol.
Returning to Paddington, I took
the Night Riviera sleeper to St Erth and a branch line to St Ives. Next,
trains to Exeter and Plymouth and the Night Riviera back to
Paddington. I then stayed in Littlehampton near Brighton and using
that as a base, visited Portsmouth, Wight and London.
Oh take no notice of my foolishness.
Having lived in the UK for pretty much my whole life, there were
three cities on your original list that I haven't yet visited.
Only one for me: Cardiff. (Actually I'm not sure if I've ever been to St Ives.)
Exeter and St Ives for me.   I have been to the Isle of Wight but I
was three and I only remember the exciting engine on the ferry.  My
parents lost me on the boat, and eventually found me drooling over
the machinery below decks.
How many Brits here have actually visited Crewe, other than to change
trains in the station?  I worked in the town for a year in the 80s
and my final employer has a significant office there which I visited
every few weeks, so I'm probably one of the few.  Not an attractive
town, Crewe.
I have, when I was an auditor. You are right.
I haven't been to St Ives or Inverness but I've visited all the other
places.
It's fine if you like railways.
There are some good pubs, notably
https://whatpub.com/pubs/CHS/2276/hops-crewe
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Peter Moylan
2018-05-11 06:57:46 UTC
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Post by LFS
I haven't been to St Ives or Inverness but I've visited all the other
places.
As far as I recall, nobody in this thread has been to St Ives. Perhaps
it doesn't exist.

Or perhaps it was depopulated when that fellow left with his seven wives.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Peter Young
2018-05-11 07:37:05 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by LFS
I haven't been to St Ives or Inverness but I've visited all the other
places.
As far as I recall, nobody in this thread has been to St Ives. Perhaps
it doesn't exist.
I have! The late S(WMBO)+(WILAC), the children when small and I went there
many years ago on the little train that goes there from St Erth. If you
sit in the front of the train you get a driver's-eye view of the track.

Peter.
--
Peter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004.
(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Pt)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
Mark Brader
2018-05-11 07:55:16 UTC
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Post by Peter Young
Post by Peter Moylan
As far as I recall, nobody in this thread has been to St Ives.
Huh? The original poster... oh, right. They said "Irves" or something.
Post by Peter Young
I have! The late S(WMBO)+(WILAC), the children when small and I went there
many years ago on the little train that goes there from St Erth.
Likewise, mutatis mutandis. I remember buying a Cornish pasty for
lunch from a refreshment stand or cart.

St. Erth station, by the way, is quite a way from St. Erth. Clearly
it pretty much exists only for changing trains at. Despite this, a
friend of mine, Robert Biddle, once had occasion to begin the rail
portion of a trip to England there.

This would have been in the 1970s. He asked the stationmaster to
validate his Britrailpass. Normally this then involved using
rubber stamps to mark the expiry date as well as the date of
validation. The stationmaster's response to the request was:
"Well, I can stamp it with the station stamp." And he did, and
Robert wrote in the two dates by hand.

(It was, I think, a couple of weeks later when another railwayman
insisted on redoing the dates with the usual stamps.)
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "The brain is amazing when it's amazing, with
***@vex.net | apologies to Robert Biddle." --Steve Summit

My text in this article is in the public domain.
Harrison Hill
2018-05-11 08:19:24 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by LFS
I haven't been to St Ives or Inverness but I've visited all the other
places.
As far as I recall, nobody in this thread has been to St Ives. Perhaps
it doesn't exist.
Or perhaps it was depopulated when that fellow left with his seven wives.
I've been to St Ives many times. Nowhere in Britain will you more
aggressive seagulls; who think nothing of emptying out your bags
looking for food. Eating outside there is unthinkable. Don't buy an
ice-cream either - you will never get to the end of it.

I agree the town is overrated, but only because Cornwall has so
many perfect harbour towns and villages. My personal favourite is
Fowey (pronounced "Foy").
Dingbat
2018-05-11 08:36:24 UTC
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Post by Harrison Hill
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by LFS
I haven't been to St Ives or Inverness but I've visited all the other
places.
As far as I recall, nobody in this thread has been to St Ives. Perhaps
it doesn't exist.
Or perhaps it was depopulated when that fellow left with his seven wives.
I've been to St Ives many times. Nowhere in Britain will you more
aggressive seagulls; who think nothing of emptying out your bags
looking for food.
Inside Inverness Railway Station, a gull trotting about seeking treats
snatched one slice of bread with which I was making a sandwich.
Post by Harrison Hill
Eating outside there is unthinkable. Don't buy an
ice-cream either - you will never get to the end of it.
I agree the town is overrated, but only because Cornwall has so
many perfect harbour towns and villages. My personal favourite is
Fowey (pronounced "Foy").
Is there a list of these places? I had never heard of Fowey. St Ives has
the distinction of having a neighboring colony of seals on an island that
one can get close to by boat.

This is my favorite exchange from the trip. En route from St Erth to St
Ives, I asked "What is that ship doing out there? My seatmate (from
Paddington onward), whose retirement home is in Carbis Bay, replied
"She's been laying buoys all week." I laughed out aloud.

Arindam Banerjee
2018-05-09 11:13:44 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
...
Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
Would you consider HM the Queen's English accents acceptable?
Dingbat
2018-05-09 14:10:28 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by Dingbat
...
Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
Would you consider HM the Queen's English accents acceptable?
Quite!
Sam Plusnet
2018-05-09 22:41:00 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by Dingbat
...
Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
Would you consider HM the Queen's English accents acceptable?
Quite!
Take a recording from around the time of her coronation.
Compare and contrast with a more recent recording.
Which of the two falls more gently upon your ear?
--
Sam Plusnet
Dingbat
2018-05-09 23:23:38 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by Dingbat
...
Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
Would you consider HM the Queen's English accents acceptable?
Quite!
Take a recording from around the time of her coronation.
Compare and contrast with a more recent recording.
Which of the two falls more gently upon your ear?
IMHO, she sounded her best about the time John Major was PM.
Richard Tobin
2018-05-09 23:41:22 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Would you consider HM the Queen's English accents acceptable?
Quite!
Take a recording from around the time of her coronation.
Compare and contrast with a more recent recording.
Which of the two falls more gently upon your ear?
I wonder what Edward VII sounded like when Fowler (and Fowler) wrote
The King's English, and if they had ever heard him.

-- Richard
Peter T. Daniels
2018-05-10 03:28:45 UTC
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Post by Richard Tobin
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Dingbat
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Would you consider HM the Queen's English accents acceptable?
Quite!
Take a recording from around the time of her coronation.
Compare and contrast with a more recent recording.
Which of the two falls more gently upon your ear?
The King's English, and if they had ever heard him.
Shaw decreed that George V should provide the model for Proper English.
Presumably he was personally acquainted with every monarch from VR to GVIR
as well as the Princess Elizabeth.
Arindam Banerjee
2018-05-09 23:43:29 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by Dingbat
...
Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
Would you consider HM the Queen's English accents acceptable?
Quite!
Good.
Arindam Banerjee
2018-05-10 07:32:16 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by Dingbat
...
Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
Would you consider HM the Queen's English accents acceptable?
Quite!
Good.
Several years ago, there was an exhibition at the Myers store here in Melbourne about English products. One of the highlights was a talking statue of Queen Elizabeth the First. Her accents were good, but not as good as the English attendant at the lifts, whose English was the best spoken English I have ever heard.
Janet
2018-05-10 10:29:25 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
...
Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, Bristol,
Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness, Aberdeen,
Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable" English accents
I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
There must have been some curiously limited societal aspect of your
itinerary. Otherwise, you would have encountered people speaking
standard English in every location.


Janet.
Dingbat
2018-05-10 22:09:38 UTC
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Post by Janet
...
Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, x
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable"
English accents I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
There must have been some curiously limited societal aspect of your
itinerary.
Well, I didn't go to socialize; I went to see the places.
Post by Janet
Otherwise, you would have encountered people speaking
standard English in every location.
I encountered people who could speak standard English
but didn't as a matter of course.

My observation about Inverness is partly based on this:

I asked, "Pardon, would you tell me what that building is?"

I didn't understand the first response.

When I said "Beg your pardon", I got a response in standard English:

"Old High Church".

I'm not sure what accent was used the first time, but I assume that it
must have been sufficiently different from standard English for me to
not get it.
Madrigal Gurneyhalt
2018-05-10 22:37:29 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Post by Janet
...
Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, x
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable"
English accents I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
There must have been some curiously limited societal aspect of your
itinerary.
Well, I didn't go to socialize; I went to see the places.
Post by Janet
Otherwise, you would have encountered people speaking
standard English in every location.
I encountered people who could speak standard English
but didn't as a matter of course.
I asked, "Pardon, would you tell me what that building is?"
I didn't understand the first response.
"Old High Church".
I'm not sure what accent was used the first time, but I assume that it
must have been sufficiently different from standard English for me to
not get it.
Ah yes, that'll be it! :rolleyes:
Tony Cooper
2018-05-11 00:34:59 UTC
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On Thu, 10 May 2018 15:37:29 -0700 (PDT), Madrigal Gurneyhalt
Post by Dingbat
Post by Janet
...
Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, x
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable"
English accents I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
There must have been some curiously limited societal aspect of your
itinerary.
Well, I didn't go to socialize; I went to see the places.
Post by Janet
Otherwise, you would have encountered people speaking
standard English in every location.
I encountered people who could speak standard English
but didn't as a matter of course.
I asked, "Pardon, would you tell me what that building is?"
I didn't understand the first response.
"Old High Church".
I'm not sure what accent was used the first time, but I assume that it
must have been sufficiently different from standard English for me to
not get it.
I would not put it past a Scotsman to deliberately launch into a Billy
Connolly full-on Scots brogue just to have on a tourist. Just a wee
bit of fun for him, and the tourist gets an anecdote to dine out on.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
s***@gmail.com
2018-05-11 01:36:30 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Dingbat
I asked, "Pardon, would you tell me what that building is?"
I didn't understand the first response.
"Old High Church".
I'm not sure what accent was used the first time, but I assume that it
must have been sufficiently different from standard English for me to
not get it.
I would not put it past a Scotsman to deliberately launch into a Billy
Connolly full-on Scots brogue just to have on a tourist. Just a wee
bit of fun for him, and the tourist gets an anecdote to dine out on.
Oh, you're going to buy me dinner for my anecdote?

But of course, the important question is, "which brogue?"

/dps "Now where's my Harry Lauder record?"
Tony Cooper
2018-05-11 02:13:52 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Dingbat
I asked, "Pardon, would you tell me what that building is?"
I didn't understand the first response.
"Old High Church".
I'm not sure what accent was used the first time, but I assume that it
must have been sufficiently different from standard English for me to
not get it.
I would not put it past a Scotsman to deliberately launch into a Billy
Connolly full-on Scots brogue just to have on a tourist. Just a wee
bit of fun for him, and the tourist gets an anecdote to dine out on.
Oh, you're going to buy me dinner for my anecdote?
Is that not a standard (US, if not UK and elseplace) expression?

An anecdote to "dine out on" is a good story. It is usually a
humorous anecdote, sometime self-deprecating, but mostly just
interesting to other people. Sometimes it is about meeting a famous
person, but - to be a good story - it has to includes some interesting
details. It may not get you a free meal, but it will establish you as
an interesting dining companion.
Post by s***@gmail.com
But of course, the important question is, "which brogue?"
Well, Billy Connolly's brogue is Glaswegian, innit? Of course,
standard Glaswegian is ground glass - not cut glass - and full-on
Glaswegian would be just a bit more incomprehensible.

Wiki says that what I've called a full-on Glasgow brogue is called
"Glasgow Patter". A new term to me.

In a slight thread drift, "patter" to me is simply a pre-prepared
speech designed to elicit certain responses (salesmen's patter) or
words spoken to divert attention (the patter of a 3-card Monte con
man). The words are understandable anyone in that kind of patter
whereas not understandable in Glasgow patter to someone not conversant
in Glasgow patter.
Post by s***@gmail.com
/dps "Now where's my Harry Lauder record?"
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Dingbat
2018-05-11 08:20:22 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Wiki says that what I've called a full-on Glasgow brogue is called
"Glasgow Patter". A new term to me.
In a slight thread drift, "patter" to me is simply a pre-prepared
speech designed to elicit certain responses (salesmen's patter) or
words spoken to divert attention (the patter of a 3-card Monte con
man). The words are understandable anyone in that kind of patter
whereas not understandable in Glasgow patter to someone not conversant
in Glasgow patter.
Post by s***@gmail.com
/dps "Now where's my Harry Lauder record?"
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
My recorded tour guide in Glasgow was very rhotic (urgent pronounced with a
trill) but very comprehensible. The live voice was far less comprehensible.
LFS
2018-05-11 02:56:55 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Thu, 10 May 2018 15:37:29 -0700 (PDT), Madrigal Gurneyhalt
Post by Dingbat
Post by Janet
...
Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, x
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable"
English accents I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
There must have been some curiously limited societal aspect of your
itinerary.
Well, I didn't go to socialize; I went to see the places.
Post by Janet
Otherwise, you would have encountered people speaking
standard English in every location.
I encountered people who could speak standard English
but didn't as a matter of course.
I asked, "Pardon, would you tell me what that building is?"
I didn't understand the first response.
"Old High Church".
I'm not sure what accent was used the first time, but I assume that it
must have been sufficiently different from standard English for me to
not get it.
I would not put it past a Scotsman to deliberately launch into a Billy
Connolly full-on Scots brogue just to have on a tourist. Just a wee
bit of fun for him, and the tourist gets an anecdote to dine out on.
Well, of course. Those of us whose daily lives are plagued by tourists
have all sorts of fun with them, although it is small consolation for
the disruption.
--
Laura (emulate St George for email)
David Kleinecke
2018-05-11 04:02:24 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Thu, 10 May 2018 15:37:29 -0700 (PDT), Madrigal Gurneyhalt
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Post by Janet
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Having just returned from the UK (London, Brighton, Cardiff, x
Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Inverness,
Aberdeen, Exeter, Plymouth, St. Ivers), the only "acceptable"
English accents I heard there were of persons from
1) Cambridge
2) Maida Vale (near Lord's cricket ground)
3) High Wycombe (in Buckinghamshire)
The regional accents sounded gross to various degrees.
I didn't know I was so sensitive to accents.
There must have been some curiously limited societal aspect of your
itinerary.
Well, I didn't go to socialize; I went to see the places.
Post by Janet
Otherwise, you would have encountered people speaking
standard English in every location.
I encountered people who could speak standard English
but didn't as a matter of course.
I asked, "Pardon, would you tell me what that building is?"
I didn't understand the first response.
"Old High Church".
I'm not sure what accent was used the first time, but I assume that it
must have been sufficiently different from standard English for me to
not get it.
I would not put it past a Scotsman to deliberately launch into a Billy
Connolly full-on Scots brogue just to have on a tourist. Just a wee
bit of fun for him, and the tourist gets an anecdote to dine out on.
Well, of course. Those of us whose daily lives are plagued by tourists
have all sorts of fun with them, although it is small consolation for
the disruption.
Being stopped by tourists was a common occurrence in Santa
Barbara. Not so common here in Humboldt County. But I am
primed to answer them - No mam that is a Catholic church
built in 1908. No mam that is a dawn redwood not a coast
redwood. ...

No mam I am not Bigfoot.

Npbody remembers Paul Bunyan
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