Post by Quinn C Post by Tak To Post by Quinn C Post by Tak To Post by Bill Day
Photo posted yesterday: car with 2 bumper stickers- one says "30 ft
Border Wall $25 billion... other says "32 ft, ladders, 739 Pesos."
I wonder how many people genuinely think that this sticker set
is funny or pithy, and how many think it must be because it is
I genuinely think that if you don't think it's funny or pithy, it's
because of *your* ideological bent.
Not quite sure what "ideological bent" means here. Are you
saying that people find it funny or pithy because of *their*
"ideological bent"? (Which btw does not really answer my
Quite possibly - some people may just laugh about it because it makes
fun of Trump, who they oppose ideologically, or because it dismisses
policies they oppose for ideological reasons (rather than the price tag
Post by Tak To
(A) I take analogies seriously. In particular, if an analogy
is off the mark, then any attempt pf humor based on it will not
be not funny for me. (Cf an inept impressionist.)
(B) I also take expressing political opposition seriously,
and find humor rarely has the requisite precision to do the
job properly. In particular, I often find depicting certain
political figures as fools or clowns less than pithy.
I find highlighting the foolishness of political ideas very effective,
and humor helpful with that. But I realize the subject can easily get
lost in the search for effect. Also, focusing on people can distract.
I've heard that people of widely varying political leanings find the
news TV satire programs that are so popular in the US amusing, even
though most of them clearly lean one way. This might indicate that the
programs are focused so much on the humor that they don't get their
message across effectively.
After SNL, Norm McDonald tried to make a career of being a rightwing
ranting comedian. He hasn't found much success. Similarly P. J. O'Rourke,
who is on *Wait Wait* a lot less than he used to be. In the "Bluff the
Listener" game, where one of the three panelists recounted an implausible
story from the week's feature news and the other two invent stories on
the same theme, you could almost always tell when P.J. was making up a
story because it was invariably about some supposedly ridiculous behavior
in some third-world country. (The contestant has to pick which was the
real story. It's by far the most difficult of the three listener-partici-
pation games they have each week.)
Post by Quinn C
If you were thinking of Trump, specifically, I have to say, though,
that there isn't a lot of "depicting" necessary. He is a fool and a
clown (and dishonest and unsavory) by widely - while of course not
universally - accepted societal conventions. If one has been educated
in a typical middle-class or intellectual environment, to name just
some relevant sections of society, one has to go to some lengths to
wrap ones head around why his form of political theater may actually be
Yesterday's gem: There's no staff at the White House, but he didn't
postpone the visit by the Clemson University football team, which won
some championship or other. They couldn't have a proper nutritious
lunch for them, so Trump ordered -- and paid for himself, he claimed;
I'd like to see the receipts on that -- mountains of fast food from,
apparently, the big three burger chains. He announced it was everyone's
Now I haven't known too many athletes, but I suspect that championship
football teams' favorite lunch isn't Quarter-Pounders and Whoppers and
"hundreds of French fries."
Post by Quinn C Post by Tak To Post by Quinn C
It's the opinion of many if not most experts in the matter that border
walls don't work well and aren't cost-effective.
Perhaps, but the reason that the wall is not likely to be
cost-effective is *not* because there is a ridiculously
simple way to circumvent it that is overlooked by the
(dumb!) supporters of the wall. If the point is "Trump
is SO stupid HA HA HA" then the sticker pair is fine;
Yes, but ignoring the opinion is totally fine also, in this case.
Post by Tak To
the point is about delivering a cogent opinion then it falls
Works for me, taking the ladders as a simple, graphic stand-in for
"ways to circumvent the wall".
I feel you're sometimes excruciatingly literal. That's so far from how
my mind usually works that I have to remind myself that you don't play
dumb. At least that's my impression, from the things you write, whereas
I believe some other people here sometimes do play dumb when it fits
Trump's concern is "criminals" who are coming to murder his base and join
MS-13. (MS-13 is an American gang that was exported to Central America
when some of its members were deported.) Never mind that the proportion
of "criminals" among "illegal aliens" is considerably smaller than among
The concern of the security folk is drugs and terrorism. No "illegal
aliens" transport drugs from Central America; the drugs come through
the legal crossing-points concealed in vehicles or in airplane luggage.
There may also still be extensive tunnels from deep in Mexico to deep US.
Not one terrorist has ever come across the southern border, but apparently
a number have come across the northern border. Mostly they come across
Most "illegal aliens" entered legitimately and overstayed their visas.
The Democrats want to beef up the departments that should be keeping
track of visa-overstayers and that should be hearing the cases of asylum-
Post by Quinn C
Post by Tak To Post by Quinn C
There's an old Usenet saying - it may be older than Usenet, but it
There are no technical solutions for social problems.
Not sure what you are driving at here either.
It's not complex at all: Immigration is a social issue, a wall is a
technical solution (or attempt at.) It won't work. Not on its own, not
even as centerpiece.