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Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-27 11:08:22 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Author of "To the stars!" (1999)
soup
2021-03-27 13:30:02 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
Peter T. Daniels
2021-03-27 14:18:15 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
To him and more than a century of rocket science, beginning with Tsiolkovsky
in Russia and Goddard in the US.

(A NOVA documentary a few weeks ago. They even had film clips of both of them.)
bert
2021-03-27 14:45:05 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
To him and more than a century of rocket science, beginning with Tsiolkovsky
in Russia and Goddard in the US.
(A NOVA documentary a few weeks ago. They even had film clips of both of them.)
Hermann Oberth is usually included with Tsiolkovsky and Goddard
as the trio of pioneers of rocket study.
Peter T. Daniels
2021-03-27 14:52:08 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
To him and more than a century of rocket science, beginning with Tsiolkovsky
in Russia and Goddard in the US.
(A NOVA documentary a few weeks ago. They even had film clips of both of them.)
Hermann Oberth is usually included with Tsiolkovsky and Goddard
as the trio of pioneers of rocket study.
Maybe they didn't have a film clip of him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Oberth

He seems to be a little later. And there was a fourth guy, Robert Esnault-Pelterie.

All four have lunar craters ... but only Goddard's isn't on the far side.
musika
2021-03-27 15:36:21 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop
wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal
force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate
indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a
nobody giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is
going wrong.
To him and more than a century of rocket science, beginning with
Tsiolkovsky in Russia and Goddard in the US.
(A NOVA documentary a few weeks ago. They even had film clips of both of them.)
Hermann Oberth is usually included with Tsiolkovsky and Goddard as
the trio of pioneers of rocket study.
Esnault-Pelterie?
--
Ray
UK
soup
2021-03-27 14:48:42 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
To him and more than a century of rocket science, beginning with Tsiolkovsky
in Russia and Goddard in the US.
(A NOVA documentary a few weeks ago. They even had film clips of both of them.)
So a century of ROCKET SCIENCE and not a century of internal force engines.


Personal opinion Big rockets are NOT the way to go for interstellar
travel. For launch yes (but more reusable the track mr Musk is going
down). Actual travel should be by ion engine or solar sail or an as yet
unthought of means but I feel if this internal force engine worked there
would be at least some articles about it.

Phrases like 'accelerate indefinitely' ring alarm bells for me
but then again perhaps English is not Mr Banerjee's first language and
that is a loose transltion
Jerry Friedman
2021-03-27 14:58:41 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
To him and more than a century of rocket science, beginning with Tsiolkovsky
in Russia and Goddard in the US.
(A NOVA documentary a few weeks ago. They even had film clips of both of them.)
So a century of ROCKET SCIENCE and not a century of internal force engines.
Personal opinion Big rockets are NOT the way to go for interstellar
travel. For launch yes (but more reusable the track mr Musk is going
down). Actual travel should be by ion engine or solar sail or an as yet
unthought of means but I feel if this internal force engine worked there
would be at least some articles about it.
Phrases like 'accelerate indefinitely' ring alarm bells for me
but then again perhaps English is not Mr Banerjee's first language and
that is a loose transltion
No, he has no problem with English. Wait till he tells you that the core of
the Earth is cold. Likewise the core of the sun.
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Jerry Friedman
Peter Moylan
2021-03-27 23:33:56 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop
wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by
internal force engines that have no exhaust and can
accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of
a nobody giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he
is going wrong.
To him and more than a century of rocket science, beginning with
Tsiolkovsky in Russia and Goddard in the US.
(A NOVA documentary a few weeks ago. They even had film clips of both of them.)
So a century of ROCKET SCIENCE and not a century of internal force engines.
Personal opinion Big rockets are NOT the way to go for
interstellar travel. For launch yes (but more reusable the track mr
Musk is going down). Actual travel should be by ion engine or solar
sail or an as yet unthought of means but I feel if this internal
force engine worked there would be at least some articles about
it.
The articles do exist, and have been advertised in AUE in the past. They
have been "published" on some other newsgroup, or perhaps it was
Facebook or some similar research journal. It is less clear whether
anyone has ever bothered to read them.
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Phrases like 'accelerate indefinitely' ring alarm bells for me but
then again perhaps English is not Mr Banerjee's first language and
that is a loose transltion
No, he has no problem with English. Wait till he tells you that the
core of the Earth is cold. Likewise the core of the sun.
And his perpetual motion machines can indeed accelerate indefinitely,
because they are built on a theory where there is no limit to the speed
of light. (Or something like that.)
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
J. J. Lodder
2021-03-28 07:52:41 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop
wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by
internal force engines that have no exhaust and can
accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of
a nobody giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he
is going wrong.
To him and more than a century of rocket science, beginning with
Tsiolkovsky in Russia and Goddard in the US.
(A NOVA documentary a few weeks ago. They even had film clips of both of them.)
So a century of ROCKET SCIENCE and not a century of internal force engines.
Personal opinion Big rockets are NOT the way to go for
interstellar travel. For launch yes (but more reusable the track mr
Musk is going down). Actual travel should be by ion engine or solar
sail or an as yet unthought of means but I feel if this internal
force engine worked there would be at least some articles about
it.
The articles do exist, and have been advertised in AUE in the past. They
have been "published" on some other newsgroup, or perhaps it was
Facebook or some similar research journal. It is less clear whether
anyone has ever bothered to read them.
Some of us (at least JF and JJL) have read (or at last skimmd)
the pre-publications on AUE.
Comments were along the lines of good 'spot the error' material
to give to a bright 16 year old as a physics excercise.
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Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by soup
Phrases like 'accelerate indefinitely' ring alarm bells for me but
then again perhaps English is not Mr Banerjee's first language and
that is a loose transltion
No, he has no problem with English. Wait till he tells you that the
core of the Earth is cold. Likewise the core of the sun.
And his perpetual motion machines can indeed accelerate indefinitely,
because they are built on a theory where there is no limit to the speed
of light. (Or something like that.)
Yes, and they are based on lack of momentum conservation.
Quite reasonable of course, when you already know
that there is unlimited free energy,

Jan
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-28 21:55:56 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop
wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by
internal force engines that have no exhaust and can
accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of
a nobody giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he
is going wrong.
To him and more than a century of rocket science, beginning with
Tsiolkovsky in Russia and Goddard in the US.
(A NOVA documentary a few weeks ago. They even had film clips of both of them.)
So a century of ROCKET SCIENCE and not a century of internal force engines.
Personal opinion Big rockets are NOT the way to go for
interstellar travel. For launch yes (but more reusable the track mr
Musk is going down). Actual travel should be by ion engine or solar
sail or an as yet unthought of means but I feel if this internal
force engine worked there would be at least some articles about
it.
The articles do exist, and have been advertised in AUE in the past. They
have been "published" on some other newsgroup, or perhaps it was
Facebook or some similar research journal. It is less clear whether
anyone has ever bothered to read them.
Some of us (at least JF and JJL) have read (or at last skimmd)
the pre-publications on AUE.
Comments were along the lines of good 'spot the error' material
to give to a bright 16 year old as a physics excercise.
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by soup
Phrases like 'accelerate indefinitely' ring alarm bells for me but
then again perhaps English is not Mr Banerjee's first language and
that is a loose transltion
No, he has no problem with English. Wait till he tells you that the
core of the Earth is cold. Likewise the core of the sun.
And his perpetual motion machines can indeed accelerate indefinitely,
because they are built on a theory where there is no limit to the speed
of light. (Or something like that.)
Yes, and they are based on lack of momentum conservation.
Quite reasonable of course, when you already know
that there is unlimited free energy,
Yes. Energy is free and available from the Sun and Earth.
A charge exerts force.
Charges are conserved, so they always exert force, causing endless energy formations.
That is the way the Universe works.
I wrote about these matters in detail last year. Will refuse the material after attending to more pressing matters.
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Jan
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-29 01:37:02 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop
wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by
internal force engines that have no exhaust and can
accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of
a nobody giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he
is going wrong.
To him and more than a century of rocket science, beginning with
Tsiolkovsky in Russia and Goddard in the US.
(A NOVA documentary a few weeks ago. They even had film clips of both of them.)
So a century of ROCKET SCIENCE and not a century of internal force engines.
Personal opinion Big rockets are NOT the way to go for
interstellar travel. For launch yes (but more reusable the track mr
Musk is going down). Actual travel should be by ion engine or solar
sail or an as yet unthought of means but I feel if this internal
force engine worked there would be at least some articles about
it.
The articles do exist, and have been advertised in AUE in the past. They
have been "published" on some other newsgroup, or perhaps it was
Facebook or some similar research journal. It is less clear whether
anyone has ever bothered to read them.
Some of us (at least JF and JJL) have read (or at last skimmd)
the pre-publications on AUE.
Comments were along the lines of good 'spot the error' material
to give to a bright 16 year old as a physics excercise.
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by soup
Phrases like 'accelerate indefinitely' ring alarm bells for me but
then again perhaps English is not Mr Banerjee's first language and
that is a loose transltion
No, he has no problem with English. Wait till he tells you that the
core of the Earth is cold. Likewise the core of the sun.
And his perpetual motion machines can indeed accelerate indefinitely,
because they are built on a theory where there is no limit to the speed
of light. (Or something like that.)
Yes, and they are based on lack of momentum conservation.
Wrong.

They *are* based upon momentum conservation.


They are based upon my discovery about the lack of reaction to the Lorenz force, as predicted by the Thomson-Heaviside formula F=BiL.

As the equation suggests, there can be no reaction to the Lorenz force, and indeed this my discovery is as important as the discovery of fire or the wheel.

I proved the existence of the abovementioned effect by my experiments detailed in the following youtube videos (links given after the links to the chapters of my book on new updated Newtonian physics):

Introduction to "A New Look Towards the Principles of Motion"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/1wmee5C8mFs/kJMPdnFkAwAJ

Section 1
Linear Motion, Momentum, Force, Energy, Internal Force Engines, and the design of Interstellar Spacecraft
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/GbpQC3a2d1Q/jSXQeb9kAwAJ

Section 1 (contd.)
Linear Motion, Momentum, Force, Energy, Internal Force Engines, and the design of Interstellar Spacecraft
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/P9ZiinIDhHU/ZtMQVyliBQAJ

Section 2
The Creation and Destruction of Energy
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/wY6_9V8ucSY/3nnJQk9iBQAJ

Section 3
The Structure of Heavenly Bodies
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/8jH-SQIFFDo/O1jn3HpiBQAJ

Section 4
The Nature of Explosion
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/7TkOVZigFHg/uv43_aZiBQAJ

Section 5
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/jhgcsTq-NrQ/ZBwG8S9jBQAJ



IFE - 1 Ground Experiments


IFE - 2 Experimental setups


IFE - 3 Pendulum experiments


IFE - 4 Evolution of spaceship


IFE - 5 Hydrogen Transmission Network


IFE - 6 Spaceship Design


IFE - 7 Anti-Gravity


IFE - 8 New Physics
Post by J. J. Lodder
Quite reasonable of course, when you already know
that there is unlimited free energy,
As there is, just look at the Sun, who pays for getting warm!
Not that the capitalists would not like to charge us for getting warm in the sun, but that is another story.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
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Jan
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-28 21:47:04 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop
wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by
internal force engines that have no exhaust and can
accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of
a nobody giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he
is going wrong.
To him and more than a century of rocket science, beginning with
Tsiolkovsky in Russia and Goddard in the US.
(A NOVA documentary a few weeks ago. They even had film clips of both of them.)
So a century of ROCKET SCIENCE and not a century of internal force engines.
Personal opinion Big rockets are NOT the way to go for
interstellar travel. For launch yes (but more reusable the track mr
Musk is going down). Actual travel should be by ion engine or solar
sail or an as yet unthought of means but I feel if this internal
force engine worked there would be at least some articles about
it.
The articles do exist, and have been advertised in AUE in the past. They
have been "published" on some other newsgroup, or perhaps it was
Facebook or some similar research journal. It is less clear whether
anyone has ever bothered to read them.
Post by soup
Phrases like 'accelerate indefinitely' ring alarm bells for me but
then again perhaps English is not Mr Banerjee's first language and
that is a loose transltion
No, he has no problem with English. Wait till he tells you that the
core of the Earth is cold. Likewise the core of the sun.
Yes, and that cold core causes superconducting currents causing the magnetic field.
Post by Peter Moylan
And his perpetual motion machines can indeed accelerate indefinitely,
because they are built on a theory where there is no limit to the speed
of light. (Or something like that.)
True. Physics must be revised, starting from outing the silly law if conservation of energy.
Energy is continually created and destroyed in our infinite universe.
Post by Peter Moylan
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Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Lewis
2021-03-27 16:21:17 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
I've forgotten, is that the "Einstein was wrong and I am right" fool who
crops up here every now and then?

Name looks familiar, but I am unsure.
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"There will always be women in rubber flirting with me."
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2021-03-27 16:33:06 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
I've forgotten, is that the "Einstein was wrong and I am right" fool who
crops up here every now and then?
Yes.
Post by Lewis
Name looks familiar, but I am unsure.
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Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2021-03-27 23:46:08 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by soup
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
I've forgotten, is that the "Einstein was wrong and I am right" fool who
crops up here every now and then?
Yes.
More info in a post by David Kleinecke in response to one by Arindam
Banerjee:

On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
<big snip>
Post by Lewis
Every poet is superior by far than the misery-gutted eunuch employed in the harem of words.
Poor wretch, he knows all about words, but cannot do anything with them.
In this world there is but one poet to spy
And he is none other than I
Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole god among lotsa devils.
https://www.amazon.com/Son-Hiranyaksh-Ancient-valour-demons/dp/147528599X?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
If you follow the link you discover that
Arindam Banerjee was born in 1956 in Jamshedpur, India. His
childhood was shaped and enriched by his grandparents, from whom
he first imbibed the gripping adventures and romance of Hindu
myths and legends. After completing a Bachelor’s (Hons.) degree
from IIT Kharagpur, Arindam started his professional career in
radiation engineering, and computer science. He served for 12 years
in Bharat Electronics, India’s largest electronics company. During
this time he completed his Master’s degree from IIT Delhi. His paper
“A New Method for Partial Match Retrieval” published in 1987 in
USA anticipated modern Internet search engines. Emigrating to
Australia, he worked for 17 years in Telstra, in various research and
development departments. Arindam has always had diverse interests –
in both the sciences and the arts. Since his boyhood he has been
something of a backyard inventor. After discovering a new formula
relating matter and energy, which when verified with experiment will
revolutionise Physics, he conceived the idea of the “Internal Force
Engine”, which will be capable of providing unlimited acceleration,
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also has
his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer should.
He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network, which will
provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable basis everywhere
using the lossless piping of hydrogen generated from all sorts of
renewable and non-renewable energy sources, irrespective of distances.
With cheaper energy from renewable sources, there will be increasingly
less need for fossil fuels in the world and ultimately no more
pollution in the world which Arindam envisions. He has tried, in both
India and Australia, for government grants for his project, which
would help people in under-developed countries enormously, but to no
avail. Hence this book is being written and published – to raise
money so that Arindam can build prototypes of his inventions. The
stories of legendary heroes, now retold in his poetic prose, have always
inspired and exhilarated Arindam; he hopes his readers will share his
enthusiasm. Arindam is a voracious reader and takes part in amateur
dramatics. He has been married for over thirty years and has two grown
up daughters. He lives in Melbourne with his wife and dog, both of
whom provide him with light hearted encouragement and help to make
him laugh when he becomes too serious about the troubles of the world.
And modest to boot.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Peter Moylan
2021-03-28 01:13:10 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
[snip]
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also
has his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer
should. He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network,
which will provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable
basis everywhere using the lossless piping of hydrogen [...]
I had forgotten that part, if I ever knew it. I presume that the
lossless piping is done with a frictionless pipe. That is certainly
worthy of a patent, and it should also revolutionise the delivery of
other gases.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Sam Plusnet
2021-03-28 02:13:31 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
[snip]
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also
has his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer
should. He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network,
which will provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable
basis everywhere using the lossless piping of hydrogen [...]
I had forgotten that part, if I ever knew it. I presume that the
lossless piping is done with a frictionless pipe. That is certainly
worthy of a patent, and it should also revolutionise the delivery of
other gases.
Has he already perfected the delivery of hot air?
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
J. J. Lodder
2021-03-28 07:52:41 UTC
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More info in a post by David Kleinecke in response to one by Arindam
On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
[snip]
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also
has his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer
should. He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network,
which will provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable
basis everywhere using the lossless piping of hydrogen [...]
I had forgotten that part, if I ever knew it. I presume that the
lossless piping is done with a frictionless pipe. That is certainly
worthy of a patent, and it should also revolutionise the delivery of
other gases.
Has he already perfected the delivery of hot air?
No, he didn't float away,

Jan
Peter T. Daniels
2021-03-28 14:18:05 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
[snip]
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also
has his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer
should. He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network,
which will provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable
basis everywhere using the lossless piping of hydrogen [...]
I had forgotten that part, if I ever knew it. I presume that the
lossless piping is done with a frictionless pipe. That is certainly
worthy of a patent, and it should also revolutionise the delivery of
other gases.
Don't Patent Offices everywhere require working models of
impossible inventions? or is that just a US inconvenience?
J. J. Lodder
2021-03-28 18:37:20 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
[snip]
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also
has his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer
should. He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network,
which will provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable
basis everywhere using the lossless piping of hydrogen [...]
I had forgotten that part, if I ever knew it. I presume that the
lossless piping is done with a frictionless pipe. That is certainly
worthy of a patent, and it should also revolutionise the delivery of
other gases.
Don't Patent Offices everywhere require working models of
impossible inventions? or is that just a US inconvenience?
Guess what, comment on the EPC mentions Bertie Wooster,
under PM of the second kind. (things that merely go on moving) [1]
===
From the legal point of view, the fundamental objection to perpetual
motion machines of the second kind is that they are inherently no more
patentable than Bertie Wooster: like him, they were never intended to do
anything useful in the first place. That they inevitably fail to achieve
the perfect apogee of eternal uselessness to which their inventors
aspired is very much a secondary factor, not the fatal one. Even if they
worked precisely as advertised, these perpetual motion machines would
still in essence count as aesthetic creations, and so be unpatentable
under EPC Article 52(2)(b).
===

Jan

[1] From <https://academic.oup.com/jiplp/article/2/3/136/2358262>
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-29 01:14:34 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
[snip]
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also
has his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer
should. He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network,
which will provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable
basis everywhere using the lossless piping of hydrogen [...]
I had forgotten that part, if I ever knew it. I presume that the
lossless piping is done with a frictionless pipe. That is certainly
worthy of a patent, and it should also revolutionise the delivery of
other gases.
Don't Patent Offices everywhere require working models of
impossible inventions? or is that just a US inconvenience?
Patents are given for methods or prototypes of new design. I got a patent for inventing a method for load balancing the erratic renewable power sources, with the proposed Hydrogen Transmission Network.
htnresearch.com gives the patent application and the patent.
The HTN was discussed in a session I chaired at the SMART2015 conference in Kuwait, where I presented a paper by my father and myself.
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7399250
soup
2021-03-29 10:42:16 UTC
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Patents are given for methods or prototypes of new design.
They are also given for farcical 'inventions'.
Search for "silly patents ".

https://tinyurl.com/5xtb5d4n
2.04 million results 0.41 secs

I got a patent for inventing a method for load balancing the erratic
renewable power sources, with the proposed Hydrogen Transmission Network.
So? See above.
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-29 10:52:23 UTC
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This is the first turd I have flushed in this newsgroup!
soup
2021-03-29 16:18:42 UTC
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This is the first turd I have flushed in this newsgroup!
Yipee! I have been flushed by an idiot. Nah he's not an idiot an idiot
has something wrong with him, 'more to be pitied than scorned ', whilst
Mr Banerjee is just deluded.

So proud to be the first at something
Any one know where I can get T-shirts printed ?
CDB
2021-03-29 18:36:09 UTC
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- flush - This is the first turd I have flushed in this newsgroup!
Yipee! I have been flushed by an idiot. Nah he's not an idiot an
idiot has something wrong with him, 'more to be pitied than scorned
', whilst Mr Banerjee is just deluded.
So proud to be the first at something Any one know where I can get
T-shirts printed ?
I had visions of doodies leaping from cover. Please don't do that to me
again.
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-29 20:27:28 UTC
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Get reborn as a dung beetle or something like that!
soup
2021-03-29 20:29:58 UTC
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Get reborn as a dung beetle or something like that!
How can you see my post to reply to me ?
I thought you had plonked(flushed) me.
Chrysi Cat
2021-03-29 20:43:45 UTC
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Get reborn as a dung beetle or something like that!
How can you see my post to reply to me ?
I thought you had plonked(flushed) me.
I suspect he can see it by the route of NOT having CDB plonked, and
reading your quoted material in HIS post.

Of course, my thought process on this is that I LOVE seeing a vocal
right-winger and the biggest fool who THINKS he belongs in the
scientific community going at each other with knives out...
--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
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2021-03-29 20:51:32 UTC
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2021-03-29 21:23:25 UTC
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I wonder how long it'll take the "take the Rig Veda literally" guy to
understand, since I'm now invisible to him but can still see his rants,
that VERY rarely was I intending to take my message to *him* personally,
but rather just to point at him to the rest of the group and laugh...
--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-29 21:34:00 UTC
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2021-03-29 22:42:58 UTC
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Get reborn as a dung beetle or something like that!
How can you see my post to reply to me ?
I thought you had plonked(flushed) me.
I suspect he can see it by the route of NOT having CDB plonked, and
reading your quoted material in HIS post.
Possible I suppose, although he responded to my post rather than piggy
back CDB
Post by Chrysi Cat
Of course, my thought process on this is that I LOVE seeing a vocal
right-winger and the biggest fool who THINKS he belongs in the
scientific community going at each other with knives out...
Oooh a "vocal right winger" .

I would say I was more classical Libertarian than right wing.
But then everyone who is right of Mao is considered a rabid right wing
extremist. Especially by people who put their pronouns in their sigs.
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2021-03-29 23:24:52 UTC
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2021-03-30 11:48:38 UTC
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Get reborn as a dung beetle or something like that!
How can you see my post to reply to me ?
I thought you had plonked(flushed) me.
Maybe it was a "to whom it may concern" thing.
Quinn C
2021-03-30 17:15:30 UTC
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Get reborn as a dung beetle or something like that!
How can you see my post to reply to me ?
I thought you had plonked(flushed) me.
He's using Google Groups, he can't plonk.
Not a tech-savvy person, I take it.
--
... if you're going around with a red pen and apostrophe, you're
... trying to prove your superiority over people. But if you're
going around trying to use people's correct pronouns, ... you're
trying to connect with them and ... respect them.
-- Gretchen McCulloch on Factually!
Sam Plusnet
2021-03-30 19:54:31 UTC
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How can you see my post to reply to me ?
I thought you had plonked(flushed) me.
He's using Google Groups, he can't plonk.
Not a tech-savvy person, I take it.
I can't imagine what would lead you to that conclusion about the scourge
of Relativity & the champion of perpetual motion machines?
--
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Wales, UK
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-30 20:26:48 UTC
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- flush -
Get reborn as a dung beetle or something like that!
How can you see my post to reply to me ?
I thought you had plonked(flushed) me.
He's using Google Groups, he can't plonk.
Not a tech-savvy person, I take it.
I can't imagine what would lead you to that conclusion about the scourge
of Relativity & the champion of perpetual motion machines?
Indeed, there are so many racist and bigoted fools leading mean lives with their small minds. An universal situation.
True I use google groups, and why not, I am a pioneer of googling, going back to 1987.
Google brought out my vision.
As will other companies I may not own, for the above said motors for safe, green, fast and efficient travel.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
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Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Anders D. Nygaard
2021-03-31 12:19:31 UTC
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True I use google groups, and why not, I am a pioneer of googling, going back to 1987.
Google brought out my vision.
Too bad they took almost a decade to do so.
(Founded: September 4, 1998, fide WP)

/Anders, Denmark
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-31 13:07:26 UTC
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True I use google groups, and why not, I am a pioneer of googling, going back to 1987.
Google brought out my vision.
Too bad they took almost a decade to do so.
(Founded: September 4, 1998, fide WP)
/Anders, Denmark
In 1987 I never thought that progress in database searching would take off so quickly. In India no one understood my Masters thesis about partial match retrieval which I knew had potential. That was one reason I emigrated to Australia, hoping for better luck in 1989. I was very lucky to get hired by TRL as one of the engineers working in the field of x500 electronic directory implementation had resigned. I took up his work and completed it. Then I wrote a confidential Research Lab Report titled Impact of new services upon directories, and the new ideas there paved the direction for googling and our modern online world. Now, that was in 1990-91,before my works in computer security relating to authenticating transactions. Australia was the guinea pig for western technical development in the field of telecom back in those days, new things were often tried out here first.
Peter T. Daniels
2021-03-31 14:31:00 UTC
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In 1987 I never thought that progress in database searching would take off so quickly. In India no one understood my Masters thesis
If they granted the degree anyway, then you perpetrated fraud and
they displayed great incompetence.

Hmm, that explains a lot.
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-31 21:08:47 UTC
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In 1987 I never thought that progress in database searching would take off so quickly. In India no one understood my Masters thesis
If they granted the degree anyway, then you perpetrated fraud and
they displayed great incompetence.
The fact that a paper from my thesis work got published in the US impressed them; if they did not, the Americans understood the potential. My company sponsored both my higher studies and paid for my expenses. The Chairman took a personal interest after I wrote to him. But computer science in India was embryonic in 1987. Nothing like what it is now.

I had a long talk with Prof. Perizzo of NDSU who asked me to work in his department, after I presented my ground breaking paper. Said my work was new, brilliant and promising. Naturally. In those days there were good Americans. Things gave degenerated there so much. And elsewhere, too. Not difficult to see the cause.
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Hmm, that explains a lot.
About the foolishness of Peter Daniels, a misery-gutted eunuch employed in the harem of words, certainly.
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-31 22:42:12 UTC
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Get reborn as a dung beetle or something like that!
How can you see my post to reply to me ?
I thought you had plonked(flushed) me.
He's using Google Groups, he can't plonk.
Not a tech-savvy person, I take it.
I can't imagine what would lead you to that conclusion about the scourge
of Relativity & the champion of perpetual motion machines?
Bhaskaracharya's wheel is an example of the perpetual motion machine. Pity that da Vinci could not do something equally smart. The nonsensical notion about the conservation of energy, and the hilariously wrong follow-up to it, derives from da Vinci's failure to create a pmm. Sad. If only he could have had some idea about the wheel of Bhaskara! In YouTube there is a video of a modern implementation using a bicycle wheels and soda bottles half filled with liquid. I have provided the mathematical analysis in a post in soc.culture.indian recently.
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Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-28 21:50:32 UTC
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Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
More info in a post by David Kleinecke in response to one by Arindam
On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
[snip]
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also
has his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer
should. He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network,
which will provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable
basis everywhere using the lossless piping of hydrogen [...]
I had forgotten that part, if I ever knew it. I presume that the
lossless piping is done with a frictionless pipe. That is certainly
worthy of a patent, and it should also revolutionise the delivery of
other gases.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
The entire HTN gas appropriate built in pressure, with multiple inlets and outlets. This makes it lossless and thus for transmission loss free so once fully set up, distance independent. I got a patent for it.
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-29 23:30:18 UTC
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:33:06 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Lewis
Post by soup
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
I've forgotten, is that the "Einstein was wrong and I am right" fool who
crops up here every now and then?
Yes.
More info in a post by David Kleinecke in response to one by Arindam
On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
<big snip>
Post by Lewis
Every poet is superior by far than the misery-gutted eunuch employed in the harem of words.
Poor wretch, he knows all about words, but cannot do anything with them.
In this world there is but one poet to spy
And he is none other than I
Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole god among lotsa devils.
https://www.amazon.com/Son-Hiranyaksh-Ancient-valour-demons/dp/147528599X?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
If you follow the link you discover that
Arindam Banerjee was born in 1956 in Jamshedpur, India. His
childhood was shaped and enriched by his grandparents, from whom
he first imbibed the gripping adventures and romance of Hindu
myths and legends. After completing a Bachelor’s (Hons.) degree
from IIT Kharagpur, Arindam started his professional career in
radiation engineering, and computer science. He served for 12 years
in Bharat Electronics, India’s largest electronics company. During
this time he completed his Master’s degree from IIT Delhi. His paper
“A New Method for Partial Match Retrieval” published in 1987 in
USA anticipated modern Internet search engines. Emigrating to
Australia, he worked for 17 years in Telstra, in various research and
development departments. Arindam has always had diverse interests –
in both the sciences and the arts. Since his boyhood he has been
something of a backyard inventor. After discovering a new formula
relating matter and energy, which when verified with experiment will
revolutionise Physics, he conceived the idea of the “Internal Force
Engine”, which will be capable of providing unlimited acceleration,
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also has
his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer should.
He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network, which will
provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable basis everywhere
using the lossless piping of hydrogen generated from all sorts of
renewable and non-renewable energy sources, irrespective of distances.
With cheaper energy from renewable sources, there will be increasingly
less need for fossil fuels in the world and ultimately no more
pollution in the world which Arindam envisions. He has tried, in both
India and Australia, for government grants for his project, which
would help people in under-developed countries enormously, but to no
avail. Hence this book is being written and published – to raise
money so that Arindam can build prototypes of his inventions. The
stories of legendary heroes, now retold in his poetic prose, have always
inspired and exhilarated Arindam; he hopes his readers will share his
enthusiasm. Arindam is a voracious reader and takes part in amateur
dramatics. He has been married for over thirty years and has two grown
up daughters. He lives in Melbourne with his wife and dog, both of
whom provide him with light hearted encouragement and help to make
him laugh when he becomes too serious about the troubles of the world.
And modest to boot.
Merely fully truthful, I.
Being the greatest genius of all time among hostile mediocrities has its inconveniences.
Prajapatirhishirnyushtupachhanday, they will pass by as a breeze.
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
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Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Thanks for providing the link to my book, the Mona Lisa of literature.
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-29 23:44:43 UTC
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:33:06 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Lewis
Post by soup
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
I've forgotten, is that the "Einstein was wrong and I am right" fool who
crops up here every now and then?
Yes.
More info in a post by David Kleinecke in response to one by Arindam
On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
<big snip>
Post by Lewis
Every poet is superior by far than the misery-gutted eunuch employed in the harem of words.
Poor wretch, he knows all about words, but cannot do anything with them.
In this world there is but one poet to spy
And he is none other than I
Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole god among lotsa devils.
https://www.amazon.com/Son-Hiranyaksh-Ancient-valour-demons/dp/147528599X?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
If you follow the link you discover that
Arindam Banerjee was born in 1956 in Jamshedpur, India. His
childhood was shaped and enriched by his grandparents, from whom
he first imbibed the gripping adventures and romance of Hindu
myths and legends. After completing a Bachelor’s (Hons.) degree
from IIT Kharagpur, Arindam started his professional career in
radiation engineering, and computer science. He served for 12 years
in Bharat Electronics, India’s largest electronics company. During
this time he completed his Master’s degree from IIT Delhi. His paper
“A New Method for Partial Match Retrieval” published in 1987 in
USA anticipated modern Internet search engines. Emigrating to
Australia, he worked for 17 years in Telstra, in various research and
development departments. Arindam has always had diverse interests –
in both the sciences and the arts. Since his boyhood he has been
something of a backyard inventor. After discovering a new formula
relating matter and energy, which when verified with experiment will
revolutionise Physics, he conceived the idea of the “Internal Force
Engine”, which will be capable of providing unlimited acceleration,
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also has
his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer should.
He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network, which will
provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable basis everywhere
using the lossless piping of hydrogen generated from all sorts of
renewable and non-renewable energy sources, irrespective of distances.
With cheaper energy from renewable sources, there will be increasingly
less need for fossil fuels in the world and ultimately no more
pollution in the world which Arindam envisions. He has tried, in both
India and Australia, for government grants for his project, which
would help people in under-developed countries enormously, but to no
avail. Hence this book is being written and published – to raise
money so that Arindam can build prototypes of his inventions. The
stories of legendary heroes, now retold in his poetic prose, have always
inspired and exhilarated Arindam; he hopes his readers will share his
enthusiasm. Arindam is a voracious reader and takes part in amateur
dramatics. He has been married for over thirty years and has two grown
up daughters. He lives in Melbourne with his wife and dog, both of
whom provide him with light hearted encouragement and help to make
him laugh when he becomes too serious about the troubles of the world.
And modest to boot.
Merely fully truthful, I.
Being the greatest genius of all time among hostile mediocrities has its inconveniences.
Prajapatirhishirnyushtupachhanday, they will pass by as a breeze.
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Thanks for providing the link to my book, the Mona Lisa of literature.
"The Son of Hiranyaksh" is published in instalments, and with my annotations, in my Facebook page. Following the wish of my late father, who said that this work reminded him of Kalidas, I published in that public space in 2019. I am glad that he could follow them there, before his death.

Please, please, anyone, do not buy the book online from Amazon. I have not got a cent from them, but I did get threatening letters from the cannibal US tax office when they thought they smelt a few dollars that could go their way.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
bozo de niro
2021-03-30 01:06:57 UTC
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:33:06 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Lewis
Post by soup
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
I've forgotten, is that the "Einstein was wrong and I am right" fool who
crops up here every now and then?
Yes.
More info in a post by David Kleinecke in response to one by Arindam
On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
<big snip>
Post by Lewis
Every poet is superior by far than the misery-gutted eunuch employed in the harem of words.
Poor wretch, he knows all about words, but cannot do anything with them.
In this world there is but one poet to spy
And he is none other than I
Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole god among lotsa devils.
https://www.amazon.com/Son-Hiranyaksh-Ancient-valour-demons/dp/147528599X?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
If you follow the link you discover that
Arindam Banerjee was born in 1956 in Jamshedpur, India. His
childhood was shaped and enriched by his grandparents, from whom
he first imbibed the gripping adventures and romance of Hindu
myths and legends. After completing a Bachelor’s (Hons.) degree
from IIT Kharagpur, Arindam started his professional career in
radiation engineering, and computer science. He served for 12 years
in Bharat Electronics, India’s largest electronics company. During
this time he completed his Master’s degree from IIT Delhi. His paper
“A New Method for Partial Match Retrieval” published in 1987 in
USA anticipated modern Internet search engines. Emigrating to
Australia, he worked for 17 years in Telstra, in various research and
development departments. Arindam has always had diverse interests –
in both the sciences and the arts. Since his boyhood he has been
something of a backyard inventor. After discovering a new formula
relating matter and energy, which when verified with experiment will
revolutionise Physics, he conceived the idea of the “Internal Force
Engine”, which will be capable of providing unlimited acceleration,
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also has
his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer should.
He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network, which will
provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable basis everywhere
using the lossless piping of hydrogen generated from all sorts of
renewable and non-renewable energy sources, irrespective of distances.
With cheaper energy from renewable sources, there will be increasingly
less need for fossil fuels in the world and ultimately no more
pollution in the world which Arindam envisions. He has tried, in both
India and Australia, for government grants for his project, which
would help people in under-developed countries enormously, but to no
avail. Hence this book is being written and published – to raise
money so that Arindam can build prototypes of his inventions. The
stories of legendary heroes, now retold in his poetic prose, have always
inspired and exhilarated Arindam; he hopes his readers will share his
enthusiasm. Arindam is a voracious reader and takes part in amateur
dramatics. He has been married for over thirty years and has two grown
up daughters. He lives in Melbourne with his wife and dog, both of
whom provide him with light hearted encouragement and help to make
him laugh when he becomes too serious about the troubles of the world.
And modest to boot.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Yes but can he type and make Coffee?
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-30 08:36:29 UTC
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Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:33:06 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Lewis
Post by soup
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
I've forgotten, is that the "Einstein was wrong and I am right" fool who
crops up here every now and then?
Yes.
More info in a post by David Kleinecke in response to one by Arindam
On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:49:21 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
<big snip>
Post by Lewis
Every poet is superior by far than the misery-gutted eunuch employed in the harem of words.
Poor wretch, he knows all about words, but cannot do anything with them.
In this world there is but one poet to spy
And he is none other than I
Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole god among lotsa devils.
https://www.amazon.com/Son-Hiranyaksh-Ancient-valour-demons/dp/147528599X?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
If you follow the link you discover that
Arindam Banerjee was born in 1956 in Jamshedpur, India. His
childhood was shaped and enriched by his grandparents, from whom
he first imbibed the gripping adventures and romance of Hindu
myths and legends. After completing a Bachelor’s (Hons.) degree
from IIT Kharagpur, Arindam started his professional career in
radiation engineering, and computer science. He served for 12 years
in Bharat Electronics, India’s largest electronics company. During
this time he completed his Master’s degree from IIT Delhi. His paper
“A New Method for Partial Match Retrieval” published in 1987 in
USA anticipated modern Internet search engines. Emigrating to
Australia, he worked for 17 years in Telstra, in various research and
development departments. Arindam has always had diverse interests –
in both the sciences and the arts. Since his boyhood he has been
something of a backyard inventor. After discovering a new formula
relating matter and energy, which when verified with experiment will
revolutionise Physics, he conceived the idea of the “Internal Force
Engine”, which will be capable of providing unlimited acceleration,
and take us to the stars! That sounds like fantasy, but he also has
his feet firmly on the ground, as any professional engineer should.
He has got a patent for a Hydrogen Transmission Network, which will
provide clean energy for all on a constant, reliable basis everywhere
using the lossless piping of hydrogen generated from all sorts of
renewable and non-renewable energy sources, irrespective of distances.
With cheaper energy from renewable sources, there will be increasingly
less need for fossil fuels in the world and ultimately no more
pollution in the world which Arindam envisions. He has tried, in both
India and Australia, for government grants for his project, which
would help people in under-developed countries enormously, but to no
avail. Hence this book is being written and published – to raise
money so that Arindam can build prototypes of his inventions. The
stories of legendary heroes, now retold in his poetic prose, have always
inspired and exhilarated Arindam; he hopes his readers will share his
enthusiasm. Arindam is a voracious reader and takes part in amateur
dramatics. He has been married for over thirty years and has two grown
up daughters. He lives in Melbourne with his wife and dog, both of
whom provide him with light hearted encouragement and help to make
him laugh when he becomes too serious about the troubles of the world.
And modest to boot.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Yes but can he type and make Coffee?
Yes, while singing:

With form and scent and rhythm and song - you give my heart the swing!
Drenched with colour you colour my life - what a divine blessing!
You are the Spring, with colours on fire; you are the stream of inspiration!
Your magic, your spirit, drives me to distraction!
O as the pearl within the oyster's breast, so you nestle in mine!
The focus of my life and love is upon you, my little sunshine!
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-28 21:33:10 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
I've forgotten, is that the "Einstein was wrong and I am right" fool who
crops up here every now and then?
Name looks familiar, but I am unsure.
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"There will always be women in rubber flirting with me."
Small people have small minds.
Sam Plusnet
2021-03-27 20:52:28 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
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Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
bert
2021-03-27 21:12:28 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
What's the correct newsgroup, then, for his expert view on
how to move that 200,000-ton ship blocking the Suez canal?
musika
2021-03-27 21:55:40 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop
wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal
force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate
indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a
nobody giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is
going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much
anything. Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
What's the correct newsgroup, then, for his expert view on how to
move that 200,000-ton ship blocking the Suez canal?
sci.physics.how-to-move-ships-for-profit
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Lewis
2021-03-27 22:39:49 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
What's the correct newsgroup, then, for his expert view on
how to move that 200,000-ton ship blocking the Suez canal?
But the only reason it's stuck is because it refuses to acknowledge
what a dummy Einstein was!
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I WILL NOT GREASE THE MONKEY BARS Bart chalkboard Ep. 7F17
Sam Plusnet
2021-03-28 02:16:26 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
What's the correct newsgroup, then, for his expert view on
how to move that 200,000-ton ship blocking the Suez canal?
But the only reason it's stuck is because it refuses to acknowledge
what a dummy Einstein was!
If people built his reactionless engines, there would be no need for the
Suez Canal.
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Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-28 21:52:02 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
What's the correct newsgroup, then, for his expert view on
how to move that 200,000-ton ship blocking the Suez canal?
But the only reason it's stuck is because it refuses to acknowledge
what a dummy Einstein was!
If people built his reactionless engines, there would be no need for the
Suez Canal.
They would fly from Melbourne to London in the morning and return for dinner. And that is only the start.
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Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-28 21:44:35 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
What's the correct newsgroup, then, for his expert view on
how to move that 200,000-ton ship blocking the Suez canal?
In sci.physics I have mentioned a way to avoid such incidents.
As for the present situation, they are doing what they can, no inputs from my side are required.
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-29 01:24:48 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
What's the correct newsgroup, then, for his expert view on
how to move that 200,000-ton ship blocking the Suez canal?
In sci.physics I have mentioned a way to avoid such incidents.
As for the present situation, they are doing what they can, no inputs from my side are required.
Thinking it over, and seeing that they are not doing what I think they should, if they could, I will outline what can be done.
Get some 20 tanks, 10 on either side, with two very thick and sufficiently long iron bars.
Also some special matting for proper grip on the sandy soft surfaces.
Then dig out the sands from the water side at both ends. The ship still won't move for it is really stuck and very heavy.
Now line up the 10 tanks, pressing against each other, put the iron bars between the first tanks and the sides of the ship, bars being at right angles to the ship.
Push with all the horsepower available, from either side at once, creating some terrific torque. Get tugs to add to the pulling from both sides.
Then with some luck - or more tanks - the huge thing will get unstuck.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
bert
2021-03-29 12:27:06 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
What's the correct newsgroup, then, for his expert view on
how to move that 200,000-ton ship blocking the Suez canal?
Get some 20 tanks, 10 on either side, with two very thick and sufficiently long
iron bars. Also some special matting for proper grip on the sandy soft surfaces.
If the canal had been dug through normal terrain, okay, but the sand is soft
all the way down, so it would shear under every tank and its matting.
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-29 12:32:21 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
What's the correct newsgroup, then, for his expert view on
how to move that 200,000-ton ship blocking the Suez canal?
Get some 20 tanks, 10 on either side, with two very thick and sufficiently long
iron bars. Also some special matting for proper grip on the sandy soft surfaces.
If the canal had been dug through normal terrain, okay, but the sand is soft
all the way down, so it would shear under every tank and its matting.
The matting would contain spikes, naturally.
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-29 12:37:15 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
What's the correct newsgroup, then, for his expert view on
how to move that 200,000-ton ship blocking the Suez canal?
Get some 20 tanks, 10 on either side, with two very thick and sufficiently long
iron bars. Also some special matting for proper grip on the sandy soft surfaces.
If the canal had been dug through normal terrain, okay, but the sand is soft
all the way down, so it would shear under every tank and its matting.
The matting would contain spikes, naturally.
Anyway they have got one end free, and if from that free end they use tugs that would create a great turning moment at the other stuck side, freeing it when mud is dredged out. Should not be a problem now.
J. J. Lodder
2021-03-29 08:27:37 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
What's the correct newsgroup, then, for his expert view on
how to move that 200,000-ton ship blocking the Suez canal?
The answer to that is of course to call in the Dutch,
who know how to deal with those kinds of mishaps.
Latest news is that they have got the tail end floating again,
but the nose still stuck in the clay.
Problem is not to break it by pulling too hard,

Jan
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-28 21:38:48 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines
that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
But Arindam is the world's greatest expert on... pretty much anything.
Just ask him (but please do it elsewhere).
No worries, I have a Facebook page with over a thousand admiring friends including a few of European origin. Most of them asked me for inclusion as friends. The best among them are those who knew me from my primary school days.

Yes, the solutions to the world's problems are mentioned in my Facebook diaries, plus lots of other interesting matter.

You all here are such dull creatures, in contrast. But, being what I am, I can find some entertainment value here even from your displays of smallness of mind. Sad, really.
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Eric Walker
2021-03-27 22:56:25 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
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that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Oh, the Dean Machine, the Dean Machine,
You put it right in a submarine,
And it flies so high that it can't be seen--
The wonderful, wonderful Dean Machine!

(From _In Search of Wonder_ by Damon Knight, as part of the header to his
chapter on John Campbell; the other three verses are equally amusing.)
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Cordially,
Eric Walker
Peter Moylan
2021-03-27 23:37:29 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting
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that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Oh, the Dean Machine, the Dean Machine,
You put it right in a submarine,
And it flies so high that it can't be seen--
The wonderful, wonderful Dean Machine!
(From _In Search of Wonder_ by Damon Knight, as part of the header to his
chapter on John Campbell; the other three verses are equally amusing.)
Moving a submarine is a pushover. For serious space travel you need
spindizzies.
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Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Eric Walker
2021-03-28 02:12:06 UTC
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What city has two names taken twice?
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What city has two names taken twice?
I'm guessing you don't mean NYNY.
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What city has two names taken twice?
I'm guessing you don't mean NYNY.
It was just a quick shot to show that I got Peter's reference to
spindizzies.
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What city has two names taken twice?
Dunno, but ignorance is Blish.
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Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-28 21:20:59 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
What fools these mortals be!
Arindam Banerjee
2021-03-28 22:27:48 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
What fools these mortals be!
The values of prostitutes seem paramount, these days, in the minds of the pullulating small people given the vote.
Chrysi Cat
2021-03-29 03:50:18 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
What fools these mortals be!
Oh, Puck off.
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Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
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2021-03-29 05:06:43 UTC
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Information for Elon Musk: Rockets are for fireworks. Stop wasting money on them. Space can only be conquered by internal force engines that have no exhaust and can accelerate indefinitely.
Not sure how to take this, other than laughing at the notion of a nobody
giving 'advice' to a multi-billionaire, about where he is going wrong.
What fools these mortals be!
Oh, Puck off.
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Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
Silly.
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