On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 10:27:26 -0800 (PST), Spains Harden
Post by Spains Harden Post by occam
I was flabbergasted when I found the answer to the question "is corn a
vegetable, fruit or grain' is: 'all three' (Wiki).
The definition of a fruit is fruit is 'when the flesh surrounds the
seeds'. This is why courgettes and cherries are considered 'fruit'. But
corn? Surely corn is classic grain. Not vegetable, and certainly not fruit.
Would you entertain corn in your fruit salad?
No: "corn" used to be "wheat" in BrE - but has long-since included
AmE "sweet corn".
In BrE "corn" used to be a broad term that included wheat.
II. spec. The fruit of the cereals.
a. collective singular. The seed of the cereal or farinaceous plants
as a produce of agriculture; grain.
As a general term the word includes all the cereals, wheat, rye,
barley, oats, maize, rice, etc., and, with qualification (as black
corn, pulse corn), is extended to leguminous plants, as pease,
beans, etc., cultivated for food. Locally, the word, when not
otherwise qualified, is often understood to denote that kind of
cereal which is the leading crop of the district; hence in the
greater part of England ‘corn’ is = wheat n., in North Britain and
Ireland = oats; in the U.S. the word, as short for Indian corn n.,
is restricted to maize (see 5).
a. Originally U.S. Maize or Indian corn, Zea Mays; applied both to
the separated seeds, and to the growing or reaped crop. corn on the
cob: green maize suitable for boiling or roasting; maize cooked and
eaten on the cob.
Wheat, rye, barley, oats, etc. are in U.S. called collectively
grain. Corn- in combinations, in American usage, must therefore be
understood to mean maize, whereas in English usage it may mean any
cereal; e.g. a cornfield in England is a field of any cereal that
is grown in the country, in U.S. one of maize.
That entry in the OED is dated 1893.
The places where cereals were bought and sold were "Corn Exchanges".
Post by Spains Harden
How about tomatoes and rhubarb? Fruit or veg?
Peter Duncanson, UK