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Antisemitism redux
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LFS
2018-09-13 18:03:11 UTC
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For those interested who may want to be better informed, the most
detailed exposition of the current UK situation and its background, by a
respected UK journalist:

https://harpers.org/archive/2018/10/among-britains-anti-semites/
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Laura (emulate St George for email)
Harrison Hill
2018-09-13 18:18:46 UTC
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Post by LFS
For those interested who may want to be better informed, the most
detailed exposition of the current UK situation and its background, by a
https://harpers.org/archive/2018/10/among-britains-anti-semites/
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Laura (emulate St George for email)
Ken Livingstone, the former mayor of London and a political supporter
of Corbyn, appeared on the radio to defend Shah and said, “When Hitler
won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved
to Israel. He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up
killing six million Jews.” For this comment, Livingstone was suspended
from the party.

(quoting your link).
Harrison Hill
2018-09-13 18:49:12 UTC
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Post by LFS
For those interested who may want to be better informed, the most
detailed exposition of the current UK situation and its background, by a
https://harpers.org/archive/2018/10/among-britains-anti-semites/
--
Laura (emulate St George for email)
Ken Livingstone, the former mayor of London and a political supporter
of Corbyn, appeared on the radio to defend Shah and said, “When Hitler
won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved
to Israel. He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up
killing six million Jews.” For this comment, Livingstone was suspended
from the party.
(quoting your link).
And I wouldn't mind Laura, but Ken Livingstone did as much as anyone
to resolve the Northern Ireland divide. He invited IRA leaders
over to London for talks - setting the ball rolling. There has to be
willingness on both sides.
Janet
2018-09-14 08:46:48 UTC
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Post by LFS
For those interested who may want to be better informed, the most
detailed exposition of the current UK situation and its background, by a
https://harpers.org/archive/2018/10/among-britains-anti-semites/
--
Laura (emulate St George for email)
Ken Livingstone, the former mayor of London and a political supporter
of Corbyn, appeared on the radio to defend Shah and said, ?When Hitler
won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved
to Israel. He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up
killing six million Jews.? For this comment, Livingstone was suspended
from the party.
(quoting your link).
And I wouldn't mind Laura, but Ken Livingstone did as much as anyone
to resolve the Northern Ireland divide.
He supported reunification of Ireland, hardly "conflict resolution"
from the POV of Northern Ireland.

Janet.
Harrison Hill
2018-09-14 16:03:41 UTC
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For those interested who may want to be better informed, the most
detailed exposition of the current UK situation and its background, by a
https://harpers.org/archive/2018/10/among-britains-anti-semites/
--
Laura (emulate St George for email)
Ken Livingstone, the former mayor of London and a political supporter
of Corbyn, appeared on the radio to defend Shah and said, ?When Hitler
won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved
to Israel. He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up
killing six million Jews.? For this comment, Livingstone was suspended
from the party.
(quoting your link).
And I wouldn't mind Laura, but Ken Livingstone did as much as anyone
to resolve the Northern Ireland divide.
He supported reunification of Ireland, hardly "conflict resolution"
from the POV of Northern Ireland.
I don't understand you Janet. People either were - at that time - of the
Catholic or the Protestant persuasion. Whichever one he'd come from,
you'd have made the same observation?

A DUP MP has noted that Protestants nowadays are taking out Irish
citizenship, so as to benefit from having their feet in both jurisdictions.
Along with the two currencies they already enjoy, they find themselves
in a very sweet financial situation.

What Ken Livingstone did was talk to terrorists. I know there is no
talking to Hamas - whose avowed aim is to kill every Israeli - but
without trying what progress can ever be made?

Cats and dogs live happily with each other. If Martin McGuinness
and Ian Paisley can forge a friendship out of a lifetime of hatred,
then anything is possible. Where's Lawrence of Arabia when we need him.
Richard Tobin
2018-09-13 18:53:48 UTC
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Post by Harrison Hill
Ken Livingstone, the former mayor of London and a political supporter
of Corbyn, appeared on the radio to defend Shah and said, "When Hitler
won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved
to Israel. He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up
killing six million Jews." For this comment, Livingstone was suspended
from the party.
And quite right too.

-- Richard
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2018-09-13 20:56:43 UTC
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Post by LFS
For those interested who may want to be better informed, the most
detailed exposition of the current UK situation and its background, by a
https://harpers.org/archive/2018/10/among-britains-anti-semites/
That quotes Livingstone: “When Hitler won his election in 1932, his
policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting
Zionism before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews.”

That is a seriously mangled version of what is described here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: ???? ????? Translit.: heskem haavara
Translated: "transfer agreement") was an agreement between Nazi
Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The
agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist
Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive
of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany.
It was a major factor in making possible the migration of
approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine in 1933–1939.[1]

The agreement enabled Jews fleeing persecution under the new Nazi
regime to transfer some portion of their assets to British Mandatory
Palestine.[2] Emigrants sold their assets in Germany to pay for
essential goods (manufactured in Germany) to be shipped to Mandatory
Palestine.[3][4] The agreement was controversial at the time, and
was criticised by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist
movement (such as the Revisionist Zionist leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky)
and outside it, as well as by members of the NSDAP and members of
the German public.[4] For German Jews, the agreement offered a way
to leave an increasingly hostile environment in Germany; for the
Yishuv, the new Jewish community in Palestine, it offered access to
both immigrant labor and economic support; for the Germans it
facilitated the emigration of German Jews while breaking the
anti-Nazi boycott of 1933, which had mass support among European
Jews and was thought by the German state to be a potential threat to
the German economy.[4][5]
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Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
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