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Stefan Ram
2021-04-30 01:35:33 UTC
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The question was discussed on Monk; you know:
_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _

|What are those?
|- Those are for you.
|- Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|- You're welcome!
|- Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|- Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|- No. No. It's not the same thing.
| Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
| It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
| Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
| me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
Horace LaBadie
2021-04-30 05:24:21 UTC
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_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _
|What are those?
|- Those are for you.
|- Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|- You're welcome!
|- Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|- Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|- No. No. It's not the same thing.
| Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
| It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
| Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
| me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
And popping the question is to propose marriage.

Natalie's job was different from Sharona's, by the way. Sharona was a
nurse.
Peter T. Daniels
2021-04-30 14:11:25 UTC
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Post by Stefan Ram
_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _
|What are those?
|- Those are for you.
|- Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|- You're welcome!
|- Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|- Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|- No. No. It's not the same thing.
| Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
| It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
| Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
| me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
And popping the question is to propose marriage.
Natalie's job was different from Sharona's, by the way. Sharona was a
nurse.
The job that used to be called "secretary" is now called "assistant,"
because "secretary" was woman-associated and hence demeaning.

A "private secretary" became an "executive assistant."
s***@my-deja.com
2021-04-30 14:27:32 UTC
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_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _
|-What are those?
|-Those are for you.
|-Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|-You're welcome!
|-Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|-Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|-No. No. It's not the same thing.
|Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
|It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
|Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
|me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
And popping the question is to propose marriage.
Natalie's job was different from Sharona's, by the way. Sharona was a
nurse.
The job that used to be called "secretary" is now called "assistant,"
because "secretary" was woman-associated and hence demeaning.
A "private secretary" became an "executive assistant."
And the current US Assistant of State is...?
Peter T. Daniels
2021-04-30 15:26:31 UTC
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_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _
|-What are those?
|-Those are for you.
|-Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|-You're welcome!
|-Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|-Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|-No. No. It's not the same thing.
|Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
|It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
|Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
|me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
And popping the question is to propose marriage.
Natalie's job was different from Sharona's, by the way. Sharona was a
nurse.
The job that used to be called "secretary" is now called "assistant,"
because "secretary" was woman-associated and hence demeaning.
A "private secretary" became an "executive assistant."
And the current US Assistant of State is...?
Nonexistent.

If a job title is in the Constitution, it's not going to get changed.
bozo de niro
2021-04-30 17:43:02 UTC
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_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _
|-What are those?
|-Those are for you.
|-Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|-You're welcome!
|-Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|-Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|-No. No. It's not the same thing.
|Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
|It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
|Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
|me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
And popping the question is to propose marriage.
Natalie's job was different from Sharona's, by the way. Sharona was a
nurse.
The job that used to be called "secretary" is now called "assistant,"
because "secretary" was woman-associated and hence demeaning.
A "private secretary" became an "executive assistant."
And the current US Assistant of State is...?
Nonexistent.
If a job title is in the Constitution, it's not going to get changed.
In the old days when video stores thrived on foot traffic and porn, there would've been an X-rated cover of those three for sure.
Quinn C
2021-04-30 21:15:06 UTC
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Post by Stefan Ram
_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _
|-What are those?
|-Those are for you.
|-Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|-You're welcome!
|-Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|-Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|-No. No. It's not the same thing.
|Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
|It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
|Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
|me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
And popping the question is to propose marriage.
Natalie's job was different from Sharona's, by the way. Sharona was a
nurse.
The job that used to be called "secretary" is now called "assistant,"
because "secretary" was woman-associated and hence demeaning.
A "private secretary" became an "executive assistant."
And the current US Assistant of State is...?
"Secretary" had split into two quite separate meanings: a lowly office
job, and a high political office.

That Monk mixes them up tells me that he's either not very bright, or is
being a dick. And we know the first option isn't true.
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for, provided that he was looking for trouble.
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Tony Cooper
2021-04-30 22:30:09 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
"Secretary" had split into two quite separate meanings: a lowly office
job, and a high political office.
Anyone who thinks that the job of secretary is a "lowly office job"
has either never had a secretary or had a secretary who couldn't stand
working for him or her.
--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Quinn C
2021-05-01 00:04:53 UTC
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:15:06 -0400, Quinn C
Post by Quinn C
"Secretary" had split into two quite separate meanings: a lowly office
job, and a high political office.
Anyone who thinks that the job of secretary is a "lowly office job"
has either never had a secretary or had a secretary who couldn't stand
working for him or her.
I have an idea how much my mother made in the job. Case closed.
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Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)
Tony Cooper
2021-05-01 00:51:11 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Tony Cooper
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:15:06 -0400, Quinn C
Post by Quinn C
"Secretary" had split into two quite separate meanings: a lowly office
job, and a high political office.
Anyone who thinks that the job of secretary is a "lowly office job"
has either never had a secretary or had a secretary who couldn't stand
working for him or her.
I have an idea how much my mother made in the job. Case closed.
She may have been lowly-paid, but "a lowly office job" indicates a
lack of respect for the position and the person holding it.
--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Quinn C
2021-05-01 13:57:55 UTC
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 20:04:53 -0400, Quinn C
Post by Quinn C
Post by Tony Cooper
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:15:06 -0400, Quinn C
Post by Quinn C
"Secretary" had split into two quite separate meanings: a lowly office
job, and a high political office.
Anyone who thinks that the job of secretary is a "lowly office job"
has either never had a secretary or had a secretary who couldn't stand
working for him or her.
I have an idea how much my mother made in the job. Case closed.
She may have been lowly-paid, but "a lowly office job" indicates a
lack of respect for the position and the person holding it.
I didn't get deeper into it in the parallel discussion, which was
getting out of hand already, but in our society, money is the main
driver of status and power, so pay grade is the primary indicator of
respect.
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Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)
charles
2021-05-01 09:38:24 UTC
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Post by Stefan Ram
_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _
|-What are those?
|-Those are for you.
|-Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|-You're welcome!
|-Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|-Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|-No. No. It's not the same thing.
|Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
|It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
|Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
|me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
And popping the question is to propose marriage.
Natalie's job was different from Sharona's, by the way. Sharona was a
nurse.
The job that used to be called "secretary" is now called "assistant,"
because "secretary" was woman-associated and hence demeaning.
A "private secretary" became an "executive assistant."
And the current US Assistant of State is...?
"Secretary" had split into two quite separate meanings: a lowly office
job, and a high political office.
That Monk mixes them up tells me that he's either not very bright, or is
being a dick. And we know the first option isn't true.
as told to me once by one of the 'lowly office job' holders, it is
"Sexetary". Mind you you she seemed to have too much alcohol at the time.
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"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Graham
2021-05-01 15:03:27 UTC
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Post by Stefan Ram
_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _
|-What are those?
|-Those are for you.
|-Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|-You're welcome!
|-Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|-Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|-No. No. It's not the same thing.
|Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
|It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
|Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
|me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
And popping the question is to propose marriage.
Natalie's job was different from Sharona's, by the way. Sharona was a
nurse.
The job that used to be called "secretary" is now called "assistant,"
because "secretary" was woman-associated and hence demeaning.
A "private secretary" became an "executive assistant."
And the current US Assistant of State is...?
"Secretary" had split into two quite separate meanings: a lowly office
job, and a high political office.
That Monk mixes them up tells me that he's either not very bright, or is
being a dick. And we know the first option isn't true.
as told to me once by one of the 'lowly office job' holders, it is
"Sexetary". Mind you you she seemed to have too much alcohol at the time.
I was told that the main difference between a temporary and permanent
secretary was that the latter had been screwed on the desk.
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-01 15:22:04 UTC
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The job that used to be called "secretary" is now called "assistant,"
because "secretary" was woman-associated and hence demeaning.
A "private secretary" became an "executive assistant."
And the current US Assistant of State is...?
"Secretary" had split into two quite separate meanings: a lowly office
job, and a high political office.
That Monk mixes them up tells me that he's either not very bright, or is
being a dick. And we know the first option isn't true.
That's suddenly become your favorite insult. Anti-male much? Have
you ever called someone a sunt? (*The Boys in the Band*: "That's
French, with a cedilla," because you certainly couldn't say the word
on stage in 1969. I hope they didn't change it in the 2019 version.)

Perhaps it indicates that Monk's disorders went beyond OCD and
included some aspects of The Spectrum.
charles
2021-04-30 14:28:38 UTC
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_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _
|What are those?
|- Those are for you.
|- Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|- You're welcome!
|- Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|- Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|- No. No. It's not the same thing.
| Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
| It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
| Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
| me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
And popping the question is to propose marriage.
Natalie's job was different from Sharona's, by the way. Sharona was a
nurse.
The job that used to be called "secretary" is now called "assistant,"
because "secretary" was woman-associated and hence demeaning.
A "private secretary" became an "executive assistant."
but, the US still has a "Secretary of State"
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Horace LaBadie
2021-04-30 14:47:49 UTC
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Post by Stefan Ram
_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _
|What are those?
|- Those are for you.
|- Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|- You're welcome!
|- Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|- Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|- No. No. It's not the same thing.
| Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
| It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
| Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
| me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
And popping the question is to propose marriage.
Natalie's job was different from Sharona's, by the way. Sharona was a
nurse.
The job that used to be called "secretary" is now called "assistant,"
because "secretary" was woman-associated and hence demeaning.
A "private secretary" became an "executive assistant."
but, the US still has a "Secretary of State"
Most US states have a Secretary of State, who has no portfolio for
foreign relations.
Tony Cooper
2021-04-30 14:54:02 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
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Post by Stefan Ram
_ Is "assistant" the same as "secretary"? _
|What are those?
|- Those are for you.
|- Get out! Flowers? "Happy Secretaries' Day. - Mr. M."
|- You're welcome!
|- Mr. Monk, I'm not your secretary. I'm your assistant.
|- Yeah, secretary. It's the same thing.
|- No. No. It's not the same thing.
| Do you think a secretary has to do what I do?
| It's a huge responsibility.
|- What about the Secretary of State? That's a very important job. Or
| Secretariat, Triple Crown winner. Love to see an assistant do that.
|- You don't respect me at all, do you? I mean, really, really respect
| me.
|- Of course I do.
Monk, Season 6, Episode 2
And popping the question is to propose marriage.
Natalie's job was different from Sharona's, by the way. Sharona was a
nurse.
The job that used to be called "secretary" is now called "assistant,"
because "secretary" was woman-associated and hence demeaning.
A "private secretary" became an "executive assistant."
but, the US still has a "Secretary of State"
Until 1972, the second-ranking official's title at the US Department
of State was "Under Secretary". Now, that person's title is "Deputy".
The Deputy, though, does not carry a gun or wear a badge.
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Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Sam Plusnet
2021-04-30 20:00:33 UTC
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Until 1972, the second-ranking official's title at the US Department
of State was "Under Secretary". Now, that person's title is "Deputy".
The Deputy, though, does not carry a gun or wear a badge.
Apparently, tax collectors in Florida may have both.
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Wales, UK
Tony Cooper
2021-04-30 22:31:53 UTC
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Until 1972, the second-ranking official's title at the US Department
of State was "Under Secretary". Now, that person's title is "Deputy".
The Deputy, though, does not carry a gun or wear a badge.
Apparently, tax collectors in Florida may have both.
True, that. I am somewhat surprised that the bizarre antics of the
former tax collector for the county in which I live are known across
the sea.
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Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Sam Plusnet
2021-05-01 01:52:19 UTC
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Until 1972, the second-ranking official's title at the US Department
of State was "Under Secretary". Now, that person's title is "Deputy".
The Deputy, though, does not carry a gun or wear a badge.
Apparently, tax collectors in Florida may have both.
True, that. I am somewhat surprised that the bizarre antics of the
former tax collector for the county in which I live are known across
the sea.
It would be hard to have missed this one.
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
bruce bowser
2021-05-01 19:51:40 UTC
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Until 1972, the second-ranking official's title at the US Department
of State was "Under Secretary". Now, that person's title is "Deputy".
The Deputy, though, does not carry a gun or wear a badge.
Apparently, tax collectors in Florida may have both.
On one of Monk's shows, I remember Monk and a guy with a beard were talking in a bar and the guy with the beard said: "I bet you ten dollars that I can tell you where you got your shoes." Monk shakes his hand, and he points to his feet. Ha, ha, ha !! He won ten dollars!
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