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chiropractic, chiropractry, chiropracty, chiropractice
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Dylan Nicholson
2003-07-11 07:23:56 UTC
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Ok, this has come up before here but a looong time ago.

I recently saw someone attempt correct an author who used
'chiropractic' as the noun, saying it was either "chiropractic
thepary" or 'chiropractry'.
Now of course 'chiropractic' is the correct noun, but what's odd is
that many dictionaries don't seem to even allow it as an adjective.
What is also surprising is that while 'chiropractry' sounds vaguely
logical, it only scores a meagre 188 google hits, and 'chiropracty'
(which sounds very strange to me), gets a slightly healthier 1010
hits. Chiropractice gets 2120 hits. All three words are used as part
of official organisation names, yet none appear in dictionaries that I
could be bothered checking.

Does anyone have a dictionary with a different view on the matter?

Dylan
Larry G
2003-07-11 08:02:09 UTC
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Post by Dylan Nicholson
Ok, this has come up before here but a looong time ago.
I recently saw someone attempt correct an author who used
'chiropractic' as the noun, saying it was either "chiropractic
thepary" or 'chiropractry'.
Now of course 'chiropractic' is the correct noun, but what's odd is
that many dictionaries don't seem to even allow it as an adjective.
What is also surprising is that while 'chiropractry' sounds vaguely
logical, it only scores a meagre 188 google hits, and 'chiropracty'
(which sounds very strange to me), gets a slightly healthier 1010
hits. Chiropractice gets 2120 hits. All three words are used as part
of official organisation names, yet none appear in dictionaries that I
could be bothered checking.
Does anyone have a dictionary with a different view on the matter?
That's one I've wondered about as well. For years, I would drive by a
"School of Chiropractic". It always seems like something was missing like
"medicine" or something. Is the word of German derivation, something like
"chiropratik"? That's the only way I can even see why it is the way it is.

Larry
Raymond S. Wise
2003-07-11 09:41:16 UTC
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Post by Larry G
Post by Dylan Nicholson
Ok, this has come up before here but a looong time ago.
I recently saw someone attempt correct an author who used
'chiropractic' as the noun, saying it was either "chiropractic
thepary" or 'chiropractry'.
Now of course 'chiropractic' is the correct noun, but what's odd is
that many dictionaries don't seem to even allow it as an adjective.
What is also surprising is that while 'chiropractry' sounds vaguely
logical, it only scores a meagre 188 google hits, and 'chiropracty'
(which sounds very strange to me), gets a slightly healthier 1010
hits. Chiropractice gets 2120 hits. All three words are used as part
of official organisation names, yet none appear in dictionaries that I
could be bothered checking.
Does anyone have a dictionary with a different view on the matter?
That's one I've wondered about as well. For years, I would drive by a
"School of Chiropractic". It always seems like something was missing like
"medicine" or something. Is the word of German derivation, something like
"chiropratik"? That's the only way I can even see why it is the way it is.
From the etymology of "chiropractic" in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate:
"_chir-_ + Greek _praktikos_ practical, operative -- more at PRACTICAL."
--
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA

E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
Larry G
2003-07-11 10:09:22 UTC
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Post by Raymond S. Wise
"_chir-_ + Greek _praktikos_ practical, operative -- more at PRACTICAL."
Then, I have no idea, lol. That word has always been a mystery to me. I'm
surprised something along the lines of "chirology" or some such wasn't
chosen. It always looks like an adjective to me, like something should
follow it.

Larry
R H Draney
2003-07-11 16:28:07 UTC
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Post by Larry G
That's one I've wondered about as well. For years, I would drive by a
"School of Chiropractic". It always seems like something was missing like
"medicine" or something. Is the word of German derivation, something like
"chiropratik"? That's the only way I can even see why it is the way it is.
It's on a level with "Lost Wages, Nevada", so I've only been able to get away
with a few times, but some at my office remember when I was having my back seen
to that I would announce "I'm taking the afternoon off for choir practice"....r
Matti Lamprhey
2003-07-14 09:13:18 UTC
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Post by Larry G
That's one I've wondered about as well. For years, I would drive by
a "School of Chiropractic". It always seems like something was
missing like "medicine" or something.
I think that you will find that many people believe that what's
missing from chiropractic is "medicine". Others might posit "science"
or even "ethics".
I've suffered over the last thirty years from spasms in my lower back
which are short-lived but acute. The last one occurred four years ago,
and I visited a chiropractor on the recommendation of a neighbour.
After a poke and a prod he did a quick bit of manipulation which has
largely solved the problem, or at least made its occurrence far less
frequent. He may have relied upon a non-chiropractic technique to do
so, perhaps, but it was one that seemed to be beyond the regular general
practitioners I'd consulted over the years.

So far, so good. But what bothered me about the fellow was that he
spent the whole time "selling" chiropractic to me, with fringe science
and anecdote. He had an array of "substances" in little phials stored
in an expensive-looking mahogany case, and he'd use these in a kind of
dowsing fashion; he would arm-wrestle me with a substance in my hand
and then again without it, and draw portentous conclusions about the
apparent difference in the muscle strength this effected. I found the
situation made it difficult for me to raise objections to what he was
doing without seeming churlish, but it has made me reluctant to continue
with him.

If anyone else has experienced chiropractics, I'd be interested to know
whether this kind of thing is typical.

Matti
Marion Gevers
2003-07-14 13:31:31 UTC
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Post by Matti Lamprhey
Post by Larry G
That's one I've wondered about as well. For years, I would drive by
a "School of Chiropractic". It always seems like something was
missing like "medicine" or something.
I think that you will find that many people believe that what's
missing from chiropractic is "medicine". Others might posit "science"
or even "ethics".
I've suffered over the last thirty years from spasms in my lower back
which are short-lived but acute. The last one occurred four years ago,
and I visited a chiropractor on the recommendation of a neighbour.
After a poke and a prod he did a quick bit of manipulation which has
largely solved the problem, or at least made its occurrence far less
frequent. He may have relied upon a non-chiropractic technique to do
so, perhaps, but it was one that seemed to be beyond the regular general
practitioners I'd consulted over the years.
So far, so good. But what bothered me about the fellow was that he
spent the whole time "selling" chiropractic to me, with fringe science
and anecdote. He had an array of "substances" in little phials stored
in an expensive-looking mahogany case, and he'd use these in a kind of
dowsing fashion; he would arm-wrestle me with a substance in my hand
and then again without it, and draw portentous conclusions about the
apparent difference in the muscle strength this effected. I found the
situation made it difficult for me to raise objections to what he was
doing without seeming churlish, but it has made me reluctant to continue
with him.
If anyone else has experienced chiropractics, I'd be interested to know
whether this kind of thing is typical.
I've been to a number of chiropractors over the years, and can
attest that they can cure problems that the conventional
medicos and physiotherapists are totally incompetent to handle.
Some of them have been good, some bad, but none of them have
tried to sell me those substances. It sounds as if you met
someone who was a herbalist on the side. My experience with
herbalists and -- damn, I've forgotten the name of those quacks
who specialise in taking poisons and diluting them down to
pure water -- has been uniformly bad. As it happens, I do
believe that some herbs can have healing powers, but I also
believe that herbalists lack the competence to use herbs
effectively.

(I'm feeling frustrated that I seem to have lost a word from
my vocabulary. Traditional magic relies on the principles of
similarity and contagion. The quacks I am thinking of, the
ones who sell bottled water, base their entire theory on those
two principles.)

My current chiropractor, who trained in Canada, is somewhat
evangelical in that he seems to think that only regular
chiropractic treatment can assure one of a long and happy
life. I just ignore the sermons and let him ease the pain.
Australian-trained chiropractors don't sermonize.

Many years ago I injured my lower back, and every so often the
damaged thing-that-goes-between-the-bones (I'm having a lot of
memory lapses this evening) pops out of place and leaves me
in severe pain, sometimes to the point where the only way I
can get out of bed is to roll over until I fall onto the
floor. Conventional medicine has never helped me with that
problem, unless you count my nephew-in-law who is a
kinésthérapeute. (A term that is impossible to translate into
English, but is roughly halfway between a physiotherapist and
a chiropractor.) Chiropractors do help. The quality control
in that profession seems to be poor, and there are some whom
I would classify as incompetents, but there are also some who
are very good.

There was one chiropractor I knew who could straighten out
my spine, and ease the most intolerable pain, in a single
session. He did not believe in multiple sessions. It was
a real loss to our city when he retired. I only needed to
see him once in every three or four years. The modern trend,
in both conventional medicine and the so-called alternative
therapies, is to require multiple visits.
--
Peter Moylan http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
R H Draney
2003-07-14 15:01:34 UTC
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Post by Marion Gevers
Post by Matti Lamprhey
If anyone else has experienced chiropractics, I'd be interested to know
whether this kind of thing is typical.
I've been to a number of chiropractors over the years, and can
attest that they can cure problems that the conventional
medicos and physiotherapists are totally incompetent to handle.
Some of them have been good, some bad, but none of them have
tried to sell me those substances. It sounds as if you met
someone who was a herbalist on the side. My experience with
herbalists and -- damn, I've forgotten the name of those quacks
who specialise in taking poisons and diluting them down to
pure water -- has been uniformly bad. As it happens, I do
believe that some herbs can have healing powers, but I also
believe that herbalists lack the competence to use herbs
effectively.
(I'm feeling frustrated that I seem to have lost a word from
my vocabulary. Traditional magic relies on the principles of
similarity and contagion. The quacks I am thinking of, the
ones who sell bottled water, base their entire theory on those
two principles.)
Homeopath...the ones who believe a water molecule can have a "memory" of another
molecule that it once stood next to on a bus....
Post by Marion Gevers
My current chiropractor, who trained in Canada, is somewhat
evangelical in that he seems to think that only regular
chiropractic treatment can assure one of a long and happy
life. I just ignore the sermons and let him ease the pain.
Australian-trained chiropractors don't sermonize.
Many years ago I injured my lower back, and every so often the
damaged thing-that-goes-between-the-bones (I'm having a lot of
memory lapses this evening) pops out of place and leaves me
in severe pain, sometimes to the point where the only way I
can get out of bed is to roll over until I fall onto the
floor. Conventional medicine has never helped me with that
problem, unless you count my nephew-in-law who is a
kinésthérapeute. (A term that is impossible to translate into
English, but is roughly halfway between a physiotherapist and
a chiropractor.) Chiropractors do help. The quality control
in that profession seems to be poor, and there are some whom
I would classify as incompetents, but there are also some who
are very good.
There was one chiropractor I knew who could straighten out
my spine, and ease the most intolerable pain, in a single
session. He did not believe in multiple sessions. It was
a real loss to our city when he retired. I only needed to
see him once in every three or four years. The modern trend,
in both conventional medicine and the so-called alternative
therapies, is to require multiple visits.
I too have been attended to by chiropractors covering a wide spectrum of
"styles"...some seemed to be firmly ensconced in the the late 19th century,
others have embraced at least the appearance of modernity, and only one ever had
the little vials available (she never recommended them to me)...one I
particularly liked had a fondness for starting every session with electrical
stimulation; his assistant would hook me up to a machine and I'd be treated to a
variety of induced muscle twitches and vibrations for several minutes before
he'd start into the larger-scale manipulations...(I'd still be going to him
today, had he not died of an asthma attack two days before one appointment)....

The one currently on my speed-dial list has only recently taken any interest in
anything larger-scale than the "activator", a hand-held device containing some
kind of crystal that triggers a brief spark...I've tried in vain to get her to
refer me to an acupuncturist, just so I can try out the experience...(apropos of
nothing, she happens to look like former MTV VJ Martha Quinn)....r
Wood Avens
2003-07-15 15:37:48 UTC
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On14 Jul 2003 10:13:18 +0100, Matti Lamprhey wrote :

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Post by Matti Lamprhey
But what bothered me about the fellow was that he
spent the whole time "selling" chiropractic to me, with fringe science
and anecdote. He had an array of "substances" in little phials stored
in an expensive-looking mahogany case, and he'd use these in a kind of
dowsing fashion; he would arm-wrestle me with a substance in my hand
and then again without it, and draw portentous conclusions about the
apparent difference in the muscle strength this effected. I found the
situation made it difficult for me to raise objections to what he was
doing without seeming churlish, but it has made me reluctant to continue
with him.
The arm-wrestling and little phials business sounds much more like a
quite different practice called "Touch for Health" or "Applied
Kinesiology". I very much doubt if that's part of standard
chiropractic: I suspect this particular guy just happened to do both,
and neglected to separate them for you.

(I thought the arm-wrrestling thing was rubbish too, when it was tried
on me.)

--

Katy Jennison

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Tony Cooper
2003-07-16 05:13:52 UTC
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:13:18 +0100, "Matti Lamprhey"
Post by Matti Lamprhey
If anyone else has experienced chiropractics, I'd be interested to know
whether this kind of thing is typical.
Chiropractor (1) here don't have little vials of potions, but they are
known for promoting extra services for extra charges. The actual
manipulation may be helpful, but you'd have jump out the window to
avoid the hot compresses, the ultra-sound, and the other "treatments".
They are also known for scheduling a series of unnecessary visits and
a slew of x-rays.

A friend of mine went to one in 1995, and the chiropractors (1) went
over his x-ray in detail with him showing him how this and that was
out of alignment. The chiropractors left the room, and my friend was
idly looking at the x-ray and noted at the bottom it was dated 1983.
Obviously, it was the stock x-ray for the new patient.

(1) They *hate* being called that. They call themselves "chiropractic
practitioners" or doctors of chiropractic.
--
Tony Cooper aka: ***@yahoo.com
Provider of Jots, Tittles, and Oy!s

Adrian Bailey
2003-07-11 11:39:03 UTC
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Post by Dylan Nicholson
Ok, this has come up before here but a looong time ago.
I recently saw someone attempt correct an author who used
'chiropractic' as the noun, saying it was either "chiropractic
thepary" or 'chiropractry'.
Now of course 'chiropractic' is the correct noun, but what's odd is
that many dictionaries don't seem to even allow it as an adjective.
What is also surprising is that while 'chiropractry' sounds vaguely
logical, it only scores a meagre 188 google hits, and 'chiropracty'
(which sounds very strange to me), gets a slightly healthier 1010
hits. Chiropractice gets 2120 hits. All three words are used as part
of official organisation names, yet none appear in dictionaries that I
could be bothered checking.
Does anyone have a dictionary with a different view on the matter?
Chambers only allows "chiropractic", though I've heard "chiropracty" often
enough. The other two are new to me, but hey, why have one word when four
will do?

Adrian

--
b. England 1966; SE Cheshire -1986; Birmingham to date
Matt Beckwith
2003-07-12 04:18:46 UTC
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I always use the word "chiropraxis" as the noun. It's a word I made up, but
I think it's appropriate.

Regarding the etymology of "chiropractic" used as a noun, I would venture to
guess that it was coined by the originators of the medical discipline, who
were not very bright bulbs. Hence the inappropriate use of the adjectival
form as a noun.
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