[I want to be in that number] <-- i've not heard this idiom elsewhere

[HenHanna]

[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else


The phrase "I want to be in that number" is an idiomatic
expression that conveys a desire to be included in a particular group or
experience, often associated with something positive or significant.
...........


This kind of phrasing can be found in various songs and
traditions, especially in spirituals and gospel music

________________________________


Yes, the idiom "I want to be in that number" could have
connections to Latin, particularly in the way classical texts often
emphasize collective groups or communities.

The concept of "number" in this context refers to a group of
people, which can be seen in various Latin phrases that highlight
community and belonging.

For example, the Latin word "numerus" means "number," and in
literature, it is often used to refer to groups of people or to indicate
a count. Additionally, in religious contexts, Latin hymns and texts
often speak of being part of a divine assembly or congregation

____________________________


A well-known Latin maxim that includes "in numerum" is:

"In numerum iis qui adsumus"

This translates to "In the number of those who are present."

[LionelEdwards]

Post by HenHanna
[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else

<snip>

It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
most recognisable singer ever. Sit back and enjoy:

[LionelEdwards]

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by HenHanna
[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else

<snip>
It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
http://youtu.be/wyLjbMBpGDA

I see Jewel Brown died in June of this year.

Other backing singers who came close to eclipsing the
band they were accompanying? Merry Clayton?

[HenHanna]

Post by HenHanna

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by HenHanna
[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else

<snip>
It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
http://youtu.be/wyLjbMBpGDA

Without looking, I can guess the song and the singer.
Just sticking to that theme, I looked at the uses of "number" in the old
Bible concordance I keep in a cupboard. There is a lot of numbering of
groups of people in the Bible -- tribes, armies, the elect... (There's
even a whole book in the OT called Numbers.) You can easily see the
extension from the number (the figure) to the list or roll of names of
people in the group. "When the roll is called up yonder, I'll be there"
-- from another old song -- refers to the same situation.

Who's the drummer? (looks a bit Asian) He looks like young Jacky Chan.

Post by HenHanna
______________

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by HenHanna
While "number" and "numb" do not share a direct lineage, they

derive from different roots that have been influenced by similar sounds
and concepts over time. The connection might be more phonetic than
semantic.

german Zahl seems to be related to Tally. but not to Dollar.

prob. not to Tailor (tailler)


"Il faut tailler les rosiers au printemps pour qu'ils fleurissent
mieux."

[LionelEdwards]

Post by HenHanna

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by HenHanna
[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else

<snip>
It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
http://youtu.be/wyLjbMBpGDA

Without looking, I can guess the song and the singer.
Just sticking to that theme, I looked at the uses of "number" in the old
Bible concordance I keep in a cupboard. There is a lot of numbering of
groups of people in the Bible -- tribes, armies, the elect... (There's
even a whole book in the OT called Numbers.) You can easily see the
extension from the number (the figure) to the list or roll of names of
people in the group. "When the roll is called up yonder, I'll be there"
-- from another old song -- refers to the same situation.

Who's the drummer? (looks a bit Asian) He looks like young Jacky Chan.

"Danny Barcelona a little Filipino boy on the drums", says
the little Caribbean boy Sachmo.

"Boy" in those days was a derogatory term for negro.
He is claiming ownership of the insult, much as the Tories
in the UK took ownership of their insulting epithet.

"Old Contemptibles" in WWI did the same.

[Madhu]

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by HenHanna

Post by LionelEdwards
It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
http://youtu.be/wyLjbMBpGDA

Without looking, I can guess the song and the singer.
Just sticking to that theme, I looked at the uses of "number" in the old
Bible concordance I keep in a cupboard. There is a lot of numbering of
groups of people in the Bible -- tribes, armies, the elect... (There's
even a whole book in the OT called Numbers.) You can easily see the

We learnt the song in nursery (India even), or at least by 3rd
standard. the piano teacher at our school would play it while the kids
marched into assembly. At that age I assumed "number" meant a song that
was playing when the saints go marching in.

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by HenHanna

extension from the number (the figure) to the list or roll of names of
people in the group. "When the roll is called up yonder, I'll be there"
-- from another old song -- refers to the same situation.

Who's the drummer? (looks a bit Asian) He looks like young Jacky Chan.

"Danny Barcelona a little Filipino boy on the drums", says
the little Caribbean boy Sachmo.
"Boy" in those days was a derogatory term for negro.
He is claiming ownership of the insult, much as the Tories
in the UK took ownership of their insulting epithet.
"Old Contemptibles" in WWI did the same.

I tried finding a version of this on archive.org (since yt is out of the
question for me) i think it should be there. there are a 200+ matches
but i couldn't spot it

btw can you find a video (non-yt if at all) that demonstrates the
"picadilly walk" (with the cane swung to time)

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Tue, 05 Nov 2024 16:59:15 +0530

Post by Madhu

Post by LionelEdwards
It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
http://youtu.be/wyLjbMBpGDA

Without looking, I can guess the song and the singer.
Just sticking to that theme, I looked at the uses of "number" in the old
Bible concordance I keep in a cupboard. There is a lot of numbering of
groups of people in the Bible -- tribes, armies, the elect... (There's
even a whole book in the OT called Numbers.) You can easily see the

We learnt the song in nursery (India even), or at least by 3rd
standard. the piano teacher at our school would play it while the kids
marched into assembly. At that age I assumed "number" meant a song that
was playing when the saints go marching in.

[]
What I understood was that the singer wants to be there with the saints,
being saved - sadly the Mormons have the whole 144,000 fully booked
already.

Post by Madhu
I tried finding a version of this on archive.org (since yt is out of the
question for me) i think it should be there. there are a 200+ matches
but i couldn't spot it
btw can you find a video (non-yt if at all) that demonstrates the
"picadilly walk" (with the cane swung to time)

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
What I understood was that the singer wants to be there with the
saints, being saved - sadly the Mormons have the whole 144,000 fully
booked already.

The Book of Revelation states very clearly that the 144,000 were sons of
Israel. So heaven is already fully booked; there's no room for anyone
else. Furthermore those 144,000 were virgins, so nobody today is
descended from them.

It's amazing how later religions have managed to put a different spin on
statements that left little room for ambiguity. No Mormons or Jehovah's
Witnesses have any chance to be saved.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
What I understood was that the singer wants to be there with the
saints, being saved - sadly the Mormons have the whole 144,000 fully
booked already.

The Book of Revelation states very clearly that the 144,000 were sons of
Israel. So heaven is already fully booked; there's no room for anyone
else. Furthermore those 144,000 were virgins, so nobody today is
descended from them.
It's amazing how later religions have managed to put a different spin on
statements that left little room for ambiguity. No Mormons or Jehovah's
Witnesses have any chance to be saved.

Maybe Mormons have done a little light editing on the Book of Revelation.
You know, tidying up loose ends.

[LionelEdwards]

Post by Madhu

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by HenHanna

Post by LionelEdwards
It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
http://youtu.be/wyLjbMBpGDA

Without looking, I can guess the song and the singer.
Just sticking to that theme, I looked at the uses of "number" in the old
Bible concordance I keep in a cupboard. There is a lot of numbering of
groups of people in the Bible -- tribes, armies, the elect... (There's
even a whole book in the OT called Numbers.) You can easily see the

We learnt the song in nursery (India even), or at least by 3rd
standard. the piano teacher at our school would play it while the kids
marched into assembly. At that age I assumed "number" meant a song that
was playing when the saints go marching in.

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by HenHanna

extension from the number (the figure) to the list or roll of names of
people in the group. "When the roll is called up yonder, I'll be there"
-- from another old song -- refers to the same situation.

Who's the drummer? (looks a bit Asian) He looks like young Jacky Chan.

"Danny Barcelona a little Filipino boy on the drums", says
the little Caribbean boy Sachmo.
"Boy" in those days was a derogatory term for negro.
He is claiming ownership of the insult, much as the Tories
in the UK took ownership of their insulting epithet.
"Old Contemptibles" in WWI did the same.

I tried finding a version of this on archive.org (since yt is out of the
question for me) i think it should be there. there are a 200+ matches
but i couldn't spot it
btw can you find a video (non-yt if at all) that demonstrates the
"picadilly walk" (with the cane swung to time)

No I can't. If you don't have access to YouTube, that
presents a problem. Here's the Lambeth Walk with canes
swung to time - and quite a lot besides. Try searching
for "Charles A. Ridley 1941 film".

[Hibou]

Post by LionelEdwards
No I can't. If you don't have access to YouTube, that
presents a problem. Here's the Lambeth Walk with canes
swung to time - and quite a lot besides. Try searching
for "Charles A. Ridley 1941 film".
http://youtu.be/gYdmk3GP3iM

Ah, yes, the Lambeth goose step. :-)

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by LionelEdwards
No I can't. If you don't have access to YouTube, that
presents a problem. Here's the Lambeth Walk with canes
swung to time - and quite a lot besides. Try searching
for "Charles A. Ridley 1941 film".
http://youtu.be/gYdmk3GP3iM

Ah, yes, the Lambeth goose step.    :-)

I'm surprised it was as late as 1941.
Up until the outbreak of war, the BBC and newspapers mostly felt obliged
to be polite about "Mr Hitler".
The declaration of war seemed to flip the switch.

[Ross Clark]

Post by Madhu

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by HenHanna

Post by LionelEdwards
It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
http://youtu.be/wyLjbMBpGDA

Without looking, I can guess the song and the singer.
Just sticking to that theme, I looked at the uses of "number" in the old
Bible concordance I keep in a cupboard. There is a lot of numbering of
groups of people in the Bible -- tribes, armies, the elect... (There's
even a whole book in the OT called Numbers.) You can easily see the

We learnt the song in nursery (India even), or at least by 3rd
standard. the piano teacher at our school would play it while the kids
marched into assembly. At that age I assumed "number" meant a song that
was playing when the saints go marching in.

:-) So you were humble enough not to think you would be a Saint, but
still wouldn't mind being in the band or the choir for the occasion?

Post by Madhu

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by HenHanna

extension from the number (the figure) to the list or roll of names of
people in the group. "When the roll is called up yonder, I'll be there"
-- from another old song -- refers to the same situation.

Who's the drummer? (looks a bit Asian) He looks like young Jacky Chan.

"Danny Barcelona a little Filipino boy on the drums", says
the little Caribbean boy Sachmo.

Actually what he says is "little Arabian boy".

Post by Madhu

Post by LionelEdwards
"Boy" in those days was a derogatory term for negro.
He is claiming ownership of the insult, much as the Tories
in the UK took ownership of their insulting epithet.
"Old Contemptibles" in WWI did the same.

I tried finding a version of this on archive.org (since yt is out of the
question for me) i think it should be there. there are a 200+ matches
but i couldn't spot it
btw can you find a video (non-yt if at all) that demonstrates the
"picadilly walk" (with the cane swung to time)

[Ed Cryer]

Post by HenHanna
[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else
          The phrase "I want to be in that number" is an idiomatic
expression that conveys a desire to be included in a particular group or
experience, often associated with something positive or significant.
...........
          This kind of phrasing can be found in various songs and
traditions, especially in spirituals and gospel music

I should think that the most likely source of that "number" in "Oh When
The Saints Go Marching In" is the last book of the New Testament in the
Bible; the Apocalypse.
That book is full of numbers; 4 and 7 occur a lot, 666 will be the
number of the Antichrist (I once read that that pointed to the Roman
emperor Nero, but can't recall the convoluted reasoning; something to do
with the letters of Nero's name), and then, of course, the 144,000 who
will be saved because of their righteousness (12,000 from each of the
tribes of Israel). Those are the saints who'll go marching into heaven.
And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough.

Greek language, rather than Latin; Roman intellectuals tended to
venerate classical Greek culture; and copy it.

[Desidarius]

[..]

Post by Ed Cryer
And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough.
Ed

Using ChatGPT 4.o:

"Si opus est bono advocato, me vocate. Dicam quod, cum multum
communicaveritis, iustum sit ut multum accipiatis."

But on the other hand: the court-appointed lawyer is the best of all....

[Ed Cryer]

Post by Ed Cryer

Post by HenHanna
[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else
           The phrase "I want to be in that number" is an idiomatic
expression that conveys a desire to be included in a particular group or
experience, often associated with something positive or significant.
...........
           This kind of phrasing can be found in various songs and
traditions, especially in spirituals and gospel music

I should think that the most likely source of that "number" in "Oh When
The Saints Go Marching In" is the last book of the New Testament in the
Bible; the Apocalypse.
That book is full of numbers; 4 and 7 occur a lot, 666 will be the
number of the Antichrist (I once read that that pointed to the Roman
emperor Nero, but can't recall the convoluted reasoning; something to do
with the letters of Nero's name), and then, of course, the 144,000 who
will be saved because of their righteousness (12,000 from each of the
tribes of Israel). Those are the saints who'll go marching into heaven.
And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough.
Greek language, rather than Latin; Roman intellectuals tended to
venerate classical Greek culture; and copy it.
Ed

If God was correct in his estimate of 144,000, then, given that the
current population of homo sapiens is 8 billion, that would mean that
only 1 in every half million will be saved.
Maybe 2,000 years ago, however, the population of the world was about
300 million. That would mean that 1 in 21,000 would make it safely through.

Either way, it's a staggeringly low figure. We don't appear to be a very
God-loved species. It's almost as if God produces us in excessive
quantity to ensure sufficient top quality. That is how much of the
natural world works. Turtles, for example; they lay vast quantities of
eggs up the beach in the sand, and when those hatch out the little ones
have to run a gauntlet to the sea, in which most get picked off by gulls
and other predators. But, even so, more turtles make it than we humans
make it beyond Armageddon.

(:- British satire is not dead. Ricky Gervais, do you want a
screen-writer

[Ed Cryer]

Post by Ed Cryer

Post by Ed Cryer

Post by HenHanna
[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else
           The phrase "I want to be in that number" is an idiomatic
expression that conveys a desire to be included in a particular group or
experience, often associated with something positive or significant.
...........
           This kind of phrasing can be found in various songs and
traditions, especially in spirituals and gospel music

I should think that the most likely source of that "number" in "Oh
When The Saints Go Marching In" is the last book of the New Testament
in the Bible; the Apocalypse.
That book is full of numbers; 4 and 7 occur a lot, 666 will be the
number of the Antichrist (I once read that that pointed to the Roman
emperor Nero, but can't recall the convoluted reasoning; something to
do with the letters of Nero's name), and then, of course, the 144,000
who will be saved because of their righteousness (12,000 from each of
the tribes of Israel). Those are the saints who'll go marching into
heaven.
And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough.
Greek language, rather than Latin; Roman intellectuals tended to
venerate classical Greek culture; and copy it.
Ed

If God was correct in his estimate of 144,000, then, given that the
current population of homo sapiens is 8 billion, that would mean that
only 1 in every half million will be saved.
Maybe 2,000 years ago, however, the population of the world was about
300 million. That would mean that 1 in 21,000 would make it safely through.
Either way, it's a staggeringly low figure. We don't appear to be a very
God-loved species. It's almost as if God produces us in excessive
quantity to ensure sufficient top quality. That is how much of the
natural world works. Turtles, for example; they lay vast quantities of
eggs up the beach in the sand, and when those hatch out the little ones
have to run a gauntlet to the sea, in which most get picked off by gulls
and other predators. But, even so, more turtles make it than we humans
make it beyond Armageddon.
(:-   British satire is not dead. Ricky Gervais, do you want a
screen-writer?
Ed

I wonder if Louis Armstrong will be saved. He certainly looked as if he
wanted to be; blowing his horn like Gabriel, cheeks all puffed out and
eyes closed.
But does God take that as permission for entry?
Louis was probably used to barred entry; he would have had to use the
tradesmen's entry for most of his gigs.

[HenHanna]

Post by Ed Cryer

Post by HenHanna
[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else
          The phrase "I want to be in that number" is an idiomatic
expression that conveys a desire to be included in a particular group or
experience, often associated with something positive or significant.
...........
          This kind of phrasing can be found in various songs and
traditions, especially in spirituals and gospel music

I should think that the most likely source of that "number" in "Oh When
The Saints Go Marching In" is the last book of the New Testament in the
Bible; the Apocalypse.
That book is full of numbers; 4 and 7 occur a lot, 666 will be the
number of the Antichrist (I once read that that pointed to the Roman
emperor Nero, but can't recall the convoluted reasoning; something to do
with the letters of Nero's name), and then, of course, the 144,000 who
will be saved because of their righteousness (12,000 from each of the
tribes of Israel). Those are the saints who'll go marching into heaven.
And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough.
Greek language, rather than Latin; Roman intellectuals tended to
venerate classical Greek culture; and copy it.
Ed

OED: number (n) II.8.b.
c1350–
A particular body or company of persons or things. Now only in
constructions denoting inclusion, as of (also in, etc.) the number (of).


1785 The Emperor continues to give proofs of his desire of receiving us
into the number of his tributaries. (T.Jefferson, letter)


--------------- THank you... Number symbolism in FW is something
i think about pretty often.....

esp... ---------


ALP has three children, Roman Numeral III.
1+1+1=3 is also Delta (a triangle), ALP's symbol.

i don't think HCE has a number associated with him...
except maybe 7 (?) pieces of clothing, taht he has on him.

[Hibou]

Post by Ed Cryer
I should think that the most likely source of that "number" in "Oh When
The Saints Go Marching In" is the last book of the New Testament in the
Bible; the Apocalypse.
That book is full of numbers; 4 and 7 occur a lot, 666 will be the
number of the Antichrist (I once read that that pointed to the Roman
emperor Nero, but can't recall the convoluted reasoning; something to do
with the letters of Nero's name), and then, of course, the 144,000 who
will be saved because of their righteousness (12,000 from each of the
tribes of Israel). Those are the saints who'll go marching into heaven.

144,000 is 395 for each day of the year. That may give calendar makers a
problem.

Post by Ed Cryer
And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough. [...]

Hobnobbing with the saintly for all of eternity? Sounds perfectly frightful.