Discussion:
Left-footers
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Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-27 11:36:18 UTC
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Ok, we've had Proddies, now Left-Footers. WAt school we always referred to
the Roman Catholic kids as left-footers (or Micks). Why so? What is the
origin of this phrase?
Thanks,
Pat.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
the Omrud
2006-03-27 11:40:20 UTC
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Post by Patricia Pasterham
Ok, we've had Proddies, now Left-Footers. WAt school we always referred to
the Roman Catholic kids as left-footers (or Micks). Why so? What is the
origin of this phrase?
Was this a church school? Nobody cared enough about religion at my
school to bother with having nicknames for Catholics. I'm not sure
we even knew who was a Catholic.
--
David
=====
replace usenet with the
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-27 11:50:44 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Ok, we've had Proddies, now Left-Footers. WAt school we always
referred to the Roman Catholic kids as left-footers (or Micks). Why
so? What is the origin of this phrase?
Was this a church school? Nobody cared enough about religion at my
school to bother with having nicknames for Catholics. I'm not sure
we even knew who was a Catholic.
Yes, it was a convent school. We token proddies were (by definition I
suppose) in the minority.
Pat.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
Matt B
2006-03-27 15:41:36 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:50:44 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Yes, it was a convent school. We token proddies were (by definition I
suppose) in the minority.
Pat.
I haven't visited this group in ages.

Does anyone know what happened to Purl Gurl?

Matt
Donna Richoux
2006-03-27 15:54:26 UTC
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Post by Matt B
I haven't visited this group in ages.
Does anyone know what happened to Purl Gurl?
Ages? She only *began* to post on Dec. 7 (Purl Harbor Day?), so if you
haven't been here for ages, you missed her entirely.

Her last post was 36 hours ago. The archives are available through
Google Groups Advanced Search, you will remember.
--
Best wishes -- Donna Richoux
Matt B
2006-03-27 16:32:01 UTC
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Post by Donna Richoux
Post by Matt B
I haven't visited this group in ages.
Does anyone know what happened to Purl Gurl?
Ages? She only *began* to post on Dec. 7 (Purl Harbor Day?), so if you
haven't been here for ages, you missed her entirely.
Her last post was 36 hours ago. The archives are available through
Google Groups Advanced Search, you will remember.
Good call - I missed that one. Prior to that, she didn't post for
about 3 weeks. I haven't read the group since early February.

I thought for a split second there that Patricia might be able to shed
some light on the matter... ;)

Matt
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-27 16:35:50 UTC
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Post by Matt B
Post by Matt B
I haven't visited this group in ages.
Does anyone know what happened to Purl Gurl?
<snip>
Post by Matt B
I thought for a split second there that Patricia might be able to shed
some light on the matter... ;)
Matt
Are you suggesting that I am pseudonymous?
P.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
Matt B
2006-03-27 17:02:55 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:35:50 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Matt B
Post by Matt B
I haven't visited this group in ages.
Does anyone know what happened to Purl Gurl?
<snip>
Post by Matt B
I thought for a split second there that Patricia might be able to shed
some light on the matter... ;)
Matt
Are you suggesting that I am pseudonymous?
P.
"Pseudonymous" - great word! Never heard that one before.

There is a very striking similarity between PG's style and your own. I
noticed it in the first few messages I read of yours. There are also
other similarities.

It might just be chance. Then again, it might not...

Matt
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-27 17:11:58 UTC
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Post by Matt B
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Matt B
Post by Matt B
I haven't visited this group in ages.
Does anyone know what happened to Purl Gurl?
<snip>
Post by Matt B
I thought for a split second there that Patricia might be able to
shed some light on the matter... ;)
Matt
Are you suggesting that I am pseudonymous?
P.
"Pseudonymous" - great word! Never heard that one before.
I just made it up.
Post by Matt B
There is a very striking similarity between PG's style and your own. I
noticed it in the first few messages I read of yours.
She must be a woman of eloquence, wit, taste and charm.
Post by Matt B
There are also
other similarities.
Do tell.

P (for Pat, not for Purl).
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
Tony Cooper
2006-03-27 17:27:23 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:11:58 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Matt B
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Matt B
Post by Matt B
I haven't visited this group in ages.
Does anyone know what happened to Purl Gurl?
<snip>
Post by Matt B
I thought for a split second there that Patricia might be able to
shed some light on the matter... ;)
Matt
Are you suggesting that I am pseudonymous?
P.
"Pseudonymous" - great word! Never heard that one before.
I just made it up.
Post by Matt B
There is a very striking similarity between PG's style and your own. I
noticed it in the first few messages I read of yours.
She must be a woman of eloquence, wit, taste and charm.
Evidently, "whoosh" needs explaining here.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-27 17:48:25 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:11:58 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
She must be a woman of eloquence, wit, taste and charm.
Evidently, "whoosh" needs explaining here.
Please. Although I suspect I may not like it.
P.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
Tony Cooper
2006-03-27 18:26:19 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:48:25 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:11:58 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
She must be a woman of eloquence, wit, taste and charm.
Evidently, "whoosh" needs explaining here.
Please. Although I suspect I may not like it.
P.
"Whoosh" is the sound of something as it passes overhead.

The comparison of you to Purl Gurl was not complimentary.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Donna Richoux
2006-03-27 19:14:16 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:48:25 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:11:58 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
She must be a woman of eloquence, wit, taste and charm.
Evidently, "whoosh" needs explaining here.
Please. Although I suspect I may not like it.
P.
"Whoosh" is the sound of something as it passes overhead.
The comparison of you to Purl Gurl was not complimentary.
When someone chooses to ignore what sounds like an insult and instead to
respond by brashly turning what was literally said into a compliment --
that's not whoosh-evidence. It's a good-natured way of ignoring an
insult.
--
Best -- Donna Richoux
Tony Cooper
2006-03-27 19:35:17 UTC
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Post by Donna Richoux
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:48:25 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:11:58 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
She must be a woman of eloquence, wit, taste and charm.
Evidently, "whoosh" needs explaining here.
Please. Although I suspect I may not like it.
P.
"Whoosh" is the sound of something as it passes overhead.
The comparison of you to Purl Gurl was not complimentary.
When someone chooses to ignore what sounds like an insult and instead to
respond by brashly turning what was literally said into a compliment --
that's not whoosh-evidence. It's a good-natured way of ignoring an
insult.
There is some doubt if the insult was turned, or just not recognized.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Mike Lyle
2006-03-27 20:37:07 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Donna Richoux
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:48:25 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:11:58 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
She must be a woman of eloquence, wit, taste and charm.
Evidently, "whoosh" needs explaining here.
Please. Although I suspect I may not like it.
P.
"Whoosh" is the sound of something as it passes overhead.
The comparison of you to Purl Gurl was not complimentary.
When someone chooses to ignore what sounds like an insult and
instead to respond by brashly turning what was literally said into a
compliment -- that's not whoosh-evidence. It's a good-natured way of
ignoring an insult.
There is some doubt if the insult was turned, or just not recognized.
Yebbut, FGS, have people already forgotten what crazed unintelligible
drivel PG used to produce? The jaw-dropping explanations of English
grammar as practised around Alpha Centauri? The ridiculous braggadocio?
The bizarre threats? To suggest any similarity is absurd.
--
Mike.
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-28 06:19:24 UTC
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Post by Mike Lyle
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Donna Richoux
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:48:25 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:11:58 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
She must be a woman of eloquence, wit, taste and charm.
Evidently, "whoosh" needs explaining here.
Please. Although I suspect I may not like it.
P.
"Whoosh" is the sound of something as it passes overhead.
Aaah, I see. Porcine, not avian.
Post by Mike Lyle
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Donna Richoux
Post by Tony Cooper
The comparison of you to Purl Gurl was not complimentary.
When someone chooses to ignore what sounds like an insult and
instead to respond by brashly turning what was literally said into a
compliment -- that's not whoosh-evidence. It's a good-natured way of
ignoring an insult.
I've never met (read) PurlGurl since joining this group, so I didn't know it
was meant to be an insult.
Post by Mike Lyle
Post by Tony Cooper
There is some doubt if the insult was turned, or just not recognized.
Yebbut, FGS, have people already forgotten what crazed unintelligible
drivel PG used to produce? The jaw-dropping explanations of English
grammar as practised around Alpha Centauri? The ridiculous
braggadocio? The bizarre threats? To suggest any similarity is absurd.
Ta, Mike.

P.P.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
Matt B
2006-03-27 20:04:24 UTC
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Post by Donna Richoux
When someone chooses to ignore what sounds like an insult and instead to
respond by brashly turning what was literally said into a compliment --
that's not whoosh-evidence. It's a good-natured way of ignoring an
insult.
Not really an insult. I found PG moderately entertaining in small
doses, and really quite creative. Although not quite as much so when
her wrath was directed towards me.

Out of interest, what do you think, Donna?

Matt
Donna Richoux
2006-03-27 21:35:56 UTC
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Post by Matt B
Post by Donna Richoux
When someone chooses to ignore what sounds like an insult and instead to
respond by brashly turning what was literally said into a compliment --
that's not whoosh-evidence. It's a good-natured way of ignoring an
insult.
Not really an insult. I found PG moderately entertaining in small
doses, and really quite creative. Although not quite as much so when
her wrath was directed towards me.
Out of interest, what do you think, Donna?
What I think is anyone who proposes "I think Person A is really Person
B" is going to generate a lot of heat and very little light.

I don't care for that game. Patricia seems pretty sharp so she'll
probably weather it if she cares to, but I've seen some newbies in
virtual tears when they finally realize they are being asked to prove
that they are who they say, in a medium that allows for no proof, and
not someone they never heard of. Talk about your existential dilemma.

So, no, I prefer to watch the newcomers, not torment them. Thank you for
asking.
--
Best -- Donna Richoux
Reinhold (Rey) Aman
2006-03-27 23:46:53 UTC
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Dour Donna Richoux claimed:

[...]
Post by Donna Richoux
Patricia seems pretty sharp
HAR!

Any evidence that twitty Pee-Pee is "pretty sharp"?
Post by Donna Richoux
I prefer to watch the newcomers, not torment them
Who's "tormenting" that silly twit?

Serious questions.

~~~ Rey ~~~
Reinh.old (Re.y) Ama.n
2006-03-28 03:02:48 UTC
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Post by Reinhold (Rey) Aman
Post by Donna Richoux
Patricia seems pretty sharp
HAR!
Any evidence that twitty Pee-Pee is "pretty sharp"?
Post by Donna Richoux
I prefer to watch the newcomers, not torment them
Who's "tormenting" that silly twit?
Serious questions.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Since it's unlikely that Mme Richoux will lower herself to respond to
me, I'll present the following hard evidence that Patricia ("Pee-Pee")
Pasterham is anything but "pretty sharp."

Here's just a random sampling of evidence of Pee-Pee's unsharpness:

-- She started out top-posting.
-- She couldn't get the .sig-delimiter working, despite extensive
help from two of her "tormentors."
-- She didn't know the common term "acute accent" and called it
a "forward slash."
-- She didn't know the meaning of "euphemistic."
-- She falsified one of my sentences.
-- She falsely accused Jimbo of having been "very coarse and offensive
to me personally, without any provocation."
-- She falsely accused Jimbo of sneakily having changed his e-mail
address to thwart her killfile.
-- She kept using stupid smileys, despite having been advised by
several "tormentors" to cut it out.
-- She can't tell whether someone is sarcastic or not.
-- She doesn't know how to use commas.
-- She posted her "New thread plse?" about six times and then was
oblivious to her stupidity when asked about it by "tormentors."
-- She bragged about her killfile but doesn't know how to block
"offensive" senders.
-- She was unaware that Obnoxious FRAN posted from Australia.
-- She engaged in mindless chitchat with that female.
-- She paid no attention to helpful suggestions about Subject-line
changes and other formatting matters.

(Add your own.)
Post by Reinhold (Rey) Aman
May I be anti-scatalogical at this point in the discussion and ask again
whether anyone is familiar with the expresion in a non-loo sense?
Post by Donna Richoux
Patricia, you did get answers affirming this. If they're no longer
available through your newsserver, you can look up the entire thread
at Google Groups using the Advanced Search.
And, finally,

-- She asked about the difference between "dwarf" and "midget." What
amazed me was that you, Donna, did not -- as usual -- sternly or snidely
tell her to look up the words in a dictionary.

So what happened? You're often the first one to snap at newbies and
then provide them with the M-W URL. Do you have a soft spot in your
hard heart for that poor, tormented twitty Patricia?

Over to you. Now that I've provided ample evidence of Pee-Pee's lacking
sharpness, it's your turn to provide countering evidence that she is
indeed "pretty sharp."

Naturally, and knowing your m.o., you won't "dignify" this post by
responding to it. However, those of us who *are* pretty sharp know that
those who use the lame excuse "I won't dignify this..." thereby admit defeat.

I've always thought of you as being pretty sharp, dear Donna, but if you
seriously consider that demonstrable twit as being "pretty sharp," I'll
have to recategorize you....

Your (tormenting?) friend,

~~~ Rey ~~~
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-28 06:28:58 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Donna Richoux
What I think is anyone who proposes "I think Person A is really Person
B" is going to generate a lot of heat and very little light.
I don't care for that game. Patricia seems pretty sharp so she'll
probably weather it if she cares to, but I've seen some newbies in
virtual tears when they finally realize they are being asked to prove
that they are who they say, in a medium that allows for no proof, and
not someone they never heard of. Talk about your existential dilemma.
Thanks, Donna. Of course I can't prove that I am not Purl Gurl. I don't
want to spoil the guys' fun in the exercise of googling us both, but you
know what? I don't care who they think I am.
Post by Donna Richoux
So, no, I prefer to watch the newcomers, not torment them.
And I'm developing a bit of a hide, so I think I can hack (Aus for "put up
with"/"handle") the tormenting a little more now. I'm also enjoying killing
Rey in every manifestation he assumes. What hasn't occurred to the dill
(Aus for idiot) is that even if he gets around my killfile, if he doesn't
change his "From" name on the list of posts, I can choose not to click on
him. Oh, the power.
Post by Donna Richoux
Thank you
for asking.
"If there's one thing worse than being talked about, it's not being talked
about" -Oscar Wilde.
P.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
Will
2006-03-28 10:54:44 UTC
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Post by Patricia Pasterham
<snip>
Post by Donna Richoux
What I think is anyone who proposes "I think Person A is really Person
B" is going to generate a lot of heat and very little light.
I don't care for that game. Patricia seems pretty sharp so she'll
probably weather it if she cares to, but I've seen some newbies in
virtual tears when they finally realize they are being asked to prove
that they are who they say, in a medium that allows for no proof, and
not someone they never heard of. Talk about your existential dilemma.
Thanks, Donna. Of course I can't prove that I am not Purl Gurl. I don't
want to spoil the guys' fun in the exercise of googling us both, but you
know what? I don't care who they think I am.
I agree with Donna about the pointlessness of attempting to prove, in
an anonymous (pseudonymous) medium like Usenet, that Person A is, in
fact, Person B. However, Patricia's alluding to "the guys' fun"
resonates with PG's use of "you boys". Just thought I'd mention it.

Will.
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-28 11:02:57 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Will
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Thanks, Donna. Of course I can't prove that I am not Purl Gurl. I
don't want to spoil the guys' fun in the exercise of googling us
both, but you know what? I don't care who they think I am.
I agree with Donna about the pointlessness of attempting to prove, in
an anonymous (pseudonymous) medium like Usenet, that Person A is, in
fact, Person B. However, Patricia's alluding to "the guys' fun"
resonates with PG's use of "you boys". Just thought I'd mention it.
Will.
Aren't both expressions in common currency?
P.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
Will
2006-03-28 17:02:15 UTC
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Post by Patricia Pasterham
<snip>
Post by Will
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Thanks, Donna. Of course I can't prove that I am not Purl Gurl. I
don't want to spoil the guys' fun in the exercise of googling us
both, but you know what? I don't care who they think I am.
I agree with Donna about the pointlessness of attempting to prove, in
an anonymous (pseudonymous) medium like Usenet, that Person A is, in
fact, Person B. However, Patricia's alluding to "the guys' fun"
resonates with PG's use of "you boys". Just thought I'd mention it.
Will.
Aren't both expressions in common currency?
Indeed, but that's not my point. PG had the habit of assuming that all
her interlocutors, especially when she was wrong (which was, like,
always) were "you boys", as if she could dismiss their argument by
reference to their gender. I detected this in your "spoil the guys'
fun" - that only men would be stupid enough to attempt such an
exercise.

Will. Not short for Wilhelmina.
Tony Cooper
2006-03-27 22:11:15 UTC
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Post by Matt B
Post by Donna Richoux
When someone chooses to ignore what sounds like an insult and instead to
respond by brashly turning what was literally said into a compliment --
that's not whoosh-evidence. It's a good-natured way of ignoring an
insult.
Not really an insult. I found PG moderately entertaining in small
doses, and really quite creative. Although not quite as much so when
her wrath was directed towards me.
The Flat Earth people, and the Intelligent Design people, have the
same "really quite creative" views that Purl Gurl has about language
and usage
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Peter Moylan
2006-03-28 13:44:49 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
The Flat Earth people, and the Intelligent Design people, have the
same "really quite creative" views that Purl Gurl has about
language and usage
You remind me of something that really upset me a couple of days ago. I
was in a newsagency, browsing along the magazine racks, when I came to
the 'science' section. It contained some of the obvious suspects
(Scientific American, New Scientist, etc.), but there in the middle were
two magazines called "UFO Australia" and "Creation". Apparently there
are some people who really think that such topics belong in the science
category.

Our local library had a little more sense. It used to have a section
labelled "Humour and Astrology". Someone must have complained, because
the astrology titles are now in the "Religion" section.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org

Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain
eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer
reliably receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses.
The optusnet address still has about 4 months of life left.
R H Draney
2006-03-28 14:56:08 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
You remind me of something that really upset me a couple of days ago. I
was in a newsagency, browsing along the magazine racks, when I came to
the 'science' section. It contained some of the obvious suspects
(Scientific American, New Scientist, etc.), but there in the middle were
two magazines called "UFO Australia" and "Creation". Apparently there
are some people who really think that such topics belong in the science
category.
I once made the mistake of signing up with one of those magazine subscription
services...at one point I told the annoying caller (exempt from the provisions
of the national Do Not Call list because of öur "prior business relationship")
that since "Omni" had ceased publication I didn't need their service any
more...she suggested replacing it with something called "Fate", which also
published science fiction stories....

I got a look at "Fate" later...full of headlines like "Elvis's UFO Love Child
Reveals Miracle Diet!!!"...
Post by Peter Moylan
Our local library had a little more sense. It used to have a section
labelled "Humour and Astrology". Someone must have complained, because
the astrology titles are now in the "Religion" section.
And then there was the Borders store near me, where I once had to ask directions
to the "Comedy" section of the music department, and got the glorious
instruction: "Comedy is just the other side of Blues"....r
--
This is *my* .sig file.
MINE!
You can't use it to advertise unless I say it's okay.
Father Ignatius
2006-03-28 21:15:07 UTC
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Post by R H Draney
I got a look at "Fate" later...full of headlines like "Elvis's UFO
Love Child Reveals Miracle Diet!!!"...
Yabbut. Did it work?
Post by R H Draney
"Comedy is just the other side of Blues"
Now there's a .tag line for you .sig.
--
Nat

"Some days, honey, you just need an extra hammer."
--Unattrib.
Father Ignatius
2006-03-28 22:45:54 UTC
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Post by Father Ignatius
Post by R H Draney
I got a look at "Fate" later...full of headlines like "Elvis's UFO
Love Child Reveals Miracle Diet!!!"...
Yabbut. Did it work?
Post by R H Draney
"Comedy is just the other side of Blues"
Now there's a .tag line for you .sig.
Upon reflection, there are some syllables missing, after the model of
"Freedom's just another name for nothing left to lose."

"Comedy is just [insert syllables] the other side of Blues"
--
Nat

"Some days, honey, you just need an extra hammer."
--Unattrib.
sage
2006-03-29 01:48:22 UTC
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Post by Father Ignatius
Post by Father Ignatius
Post by R H Draney
I got a look at "Fate" later...full of headlines like "Elvis's UFO
Love Child Reveals Miracle Diet!!!"...
Yabbut. Did it work?
Post by R H Draney
"Comedy is just the other side of Blues"
Now there's a .tag line for you .sig.
Upon reflection, there are some syllables missing, after the model of
"Freedom's just another name for nothing left to lose."
"Comedy is just [insert syllables] the other side of Blues"
"a little bit"

Cheers, Sage
Peter Moylan
2006-03-29 05:54:13 UTC
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Post by R H Draney
And then there was the Borders store near me, where I once had to ask directions
to the "Comedy" section of the music department, and got the glorious
instruction: "Comedy is just the other side of Blues"....r
That's good enough for me and Bobby Magee.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org

Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain
eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer
reliably receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses.
The optusnet address still has about 4 months of life left.
Evan Kirshenbaum
2006-03-27 17:44:38 UTC
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Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Matt B
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Are you suggesting that I am pseudonymous?
"Pseudonymous" - great word! Never heard that one before.
I just made it up.
But you happened to hit upon a word attested by the OED back to 1706.
--
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Palo Alto, CA 94304 |
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http://www.kirshenbaum.net/
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-27 18:00:03 UTC
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Matt B
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Are you suggesting that I am pseudonymous?
"Pseudonymous" - great word! Never heard that one before.
I just made it up.
I thought I did. I guess that proves that there is no such thing as
original thought.
Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
But you happened to hit upon a word attested by the OED back to 1706.
When I said I'm 30-something, I didn't know I was really 300-something. And
no wrinkles.
P.
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"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
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Peter Duncanson
2006-03-27 17:52:52 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:11:58 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Matt B
"Pseudonymous" - great word! Never heard that one before.
I just made it up.
Some one else invented it a wee while ago.

According to the SOED pseudonymous dates back to 1706. Happy Three
Hundredth Anniverary to you pseudonymous.
--
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e)
Tony Cooper
2006-03-27 17:15:26 UTC
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Post by Matt B
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:35:50 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Matt B
Post by Matt B
I haven't visited this group in ages.
Does anyone know what happened to Purl Gurl?
<snip>
Post by Matt B
I thought for a split second there that Patricia might be able to shed
some light on the matter... ;)
Matt
Are you suggesting that I am pseudonymous?
P.
"Pseudonymous" - great word! Never heard that one before.
There is a very striking similarity between PG's style and your own. I
noticed it in the first few messages I read of yours. There are also
other similarities.
It might just be chance. Then again, it might not...
Nonsense. Patricia is not even in the same ballpark with Purl Gurl.
If Patricia is wrong about something, it's just something she doesn't
quite understand. She makes no pretense that wrong is right.

Patricia hasn't picked up that suggestions about posting style are
just friendly offerings made so the content - and not the appearance -
of her posts will be the focus. She takes such suggestions as orders
or criticisms. Give her a bit of time to adjust.

The only similarity that I see is that both purport to be female.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Sara Lorimer
2006-03-27 18:37:32 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
The only similarity that I see is that both purport to be female.
Well, there is the whole attidue of walking into the cocktail party with
the lampshade already on one's head.
--
SML
Matt B
2006-03-27 19:51:10 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:15:26 GMT, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Nonsense. Patricia is not even in the same ballpark with Purl Gurl.
If Patricia is wrong about something, it's just something she doesn't
quite understand. She makes no pretense that wrong is right.
Patricia hasn't picked up that suggestions about posting style are
just friendly offerings made so the content - and not the appearance -
of her posts will be the focus. She takes such suggestions as orders
or criticisms. Give her a bit of time to adjust.
The only similarity that I see is that both purport to be female.
Are you sure about that, Tony, old boy? I see similarities. Not in the
content, but in the writing style.

I'm not usualIy a betting chap, but I would wager one hundred English
pounds that PG = PP.

Matt
(Distractions from dissertations always welcome)
Salvatore Volatile
2006-03-27 19:59:34 UTC
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Post by Matt B
I'm not usualIy a betting chap, but I would wager one hundred English
pounds that PG = PP.
It has been asserted that Purl Gurl (Young Kira) has other AUE-Usenetic
identities whose names begin with 'P': Patrana, Phil Innes, and maybe
there was someone else. As you note, Patricia's first name (= OmrudE
"Christian name without apologies") and surname both begin with 'P'.
--
Salvatore Volatile
Mike Lyle
2006-03-27 20:47:16 UTC
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Post by Matt B
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:15:26 GMT, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Nonsense. Patricia is not even in the same ballpark with Purl Gurl.
If Patricia is wrong about something, it's just something she doesn't
quite understand. She makes no pretense that wrong is right.
Patricia hasn't picked up that suggestions about posting style are
just friendly offerings made so the content - and not the appearance
- of her posts will be the focus. She takes such suggestions as
orders or criticisms. Give her a bit of time to adjust.
The only similarity that I see is that both purport to be female.
Are you sure about that, Tony, old boy? I see similarities. Not in the
content, but in the writing style.
I'm not usualIy a betting chap, but I would wager one hundred English
pounds that PG = PP.
Matt
(Distractions from dissertations always welcome)
Make it a tenner, and you're on. I'm actually seriously tempted to take
the hundred, but I didn't get to be as poor as I am today by being a
gambler. Oh, to hell with it! You're on for a ton.
--
Mike.
Matt B
2006-03-27 23:00:18 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:47:16 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
Post by Mike Lyle
Post by Matt B
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:15:26 GMT, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Nonsense. Patricia is not even in the same ballpark with Purl Gurl.
If Patricia is wrong about something, it's just something she doesn't
quite understand. She makes no pretense that wrong is right.
Patricia hasn't picked up that suggestions about posting style are
just friendly offerings made so the content - and not the appearance
- of her posts will be the focus. She takes such suggestions as
orders or criticisms. Give her a bit of time to adjust.
The only similarity that I see is that both purport to be female.
Are you sure about that, Tony, old boy? I see similarities. Not in the
content, but in the writing style.
I'm not usualIy a betting chap, but I would wager one hundred English
pounds that PG = PP.
Matt
(Distractions from dissertations always welcome)
Make it a tenner, and you're on. I'm actually seriously tempted to take
the hundred, but I didn't get to be as poor as I am today by being a
gambler. Oh, to hell with it! You're on for a ton.
OK then, let's do it, that man!

Now anyone want to bet that it won't be able to be proved either way?

Matt
Wood Avens
2006-03-27 21:31:30 UTC
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Post by Matt B
I'm not usualIy a betting chap, but I would wager one hundred English
pounds that PG = PP.
You amaze me. "Candy" and "baby" spring to mind. Their styles have
almost nothing in common. Not that one person can't write in two or
more different styles, but they'd have to be much, much cleverer than
either of them has given any sign of being up to now.

All right, if they were *really* clever, that's exactly what they --
or she -- would make me think. But I don't buy it. No way.
--
Katy Jennison

spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @
Default User
2006-03-27 23:02:50 UTC
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Post by Wood Avens
Post by Matt B
I'm not usualIy a betting chap, but I would wager one hundred
English pounds that PG = PP.
You amaze me. "Candy" and "baby" spring to mind. Their styles have
almost nothing in common. Not that one person can't write in two or
more different styles, but they'd have to be much, much cleverer than
either of them has given any sign of being up to now.
Patricia posts via an Australian news service. Purl Gurl came in
through Giganews. Not conclusive, of course, but tends to make me
question any connection. The first of Patricia's posts I can find is a
test post to soc.genealogy.australia+nz. A dandy misdirection indeed
should they turn out to be the same person.

Also, PG was obviously no usenet neophyte. Whatever else you could say,
she knew how to run her newsreader. Again, Patricia's early confusion
could have been a clever use of smoke and mirrors, but this would
indicate an impressive level of preplanning, one that I doubt.



Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)
Matt B
2006-03-27 23:39:56 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:31:30 +0100, Wood Avens
Post by Wood Avens
Post by Matt B
I'm not usualIy a betting chap, but I would wager one hundred English
pounds that PG = PP.
You amaze me. "Candy" and "baby" spring to mind. Their styles have
almost nothing in common. Not that one person can't write in two or
more different styles, but they'd have to be much, much cleverer than
either of them has given any sign of being up to now.
All right, if they were *really* clever, that's exactly what they --
or she -- would make me think. But I don't buy it. No way.
Good 'eavens, Wood Avens! I'm surprised I'm on my own on this one.

You seem to be missing the point, as do several others, that someone
who wanted to conceal a previous persona would hardly write explicitly
in the same style. What would be the point in that?

I think the styles are similar though, if you look closely enough. And
I'm fairly confident that these two names are in fact one person.

OK, that's it. Enough! I need my bed. Goodnight.

Matt
Default User
2006-03-28 00:02:00 UTC
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Post by Matt B
You seem to be missing the point, as do several others, that someone
who wanted to conceal a previous persona would hardly write explicitly
in the same style. What would be the point in that?
I think the styles are similar though, if you look closely enough. And
I'm fairly confident that these two names are in fact one person.
So you believe that PG went and signed up with westnet.com.au, an
Australian ISP, just to throw us off? Admirable dedication to the
cause, if true.

I think you're seeing what you want to see in the posts. I don't see it
at all.



Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-28 06:12:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Default User
Post by Matt B
You seem to be missing the point, as do several others, that someone
who wanted to conceal a previous persona would hardly write
explicitly in the same style. What would be the point in that?
I think the styles are similar though, if you look closely enough.
And I'm fairly confident that these two names are in fact one person.
So you believe that PG went and signed up with westnet.com.au, an
Australian ISP, just to throw us off? Admirable dedication to the
cause, if true.
I think you're seeing what you want to see in the posts. I don't see
it at all.
Brian
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-28 06:16:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Default User
Post by Matt B
You seem to be missing the point, as do several others, that someone
who wanted to conceal a previous persona would hardly write
explicitly in the same style. What would be the point in that?
I think the styles are similar though, if you look closely enough.
And I'm fairly confident that these two names are in fact one person.
So you believe that PG went and signed up with westnet.com.au, an
Australian ISP, just to throw us off? Admirable dedication to the
cause, if true.
I think you're seeing what you want to see in the posts. I don't see
it at all.
Brian
Keep it up, fellow members. Oh, I just _love_ being talked about it. And
the best thing is that I can read it all too, unlike when one is talked
about behind one's back. I never get so much attention in real life. I
shall stay with this group for longer now.
P.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
R J Valentine
2006-03-28 15:51:17 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:16:29 +0800 Patricia Pasterham <***@yourwigyahoo.com.au> wrote:
...
} Keep it up, fellow members. Oh, I just _love_ being talked about it. And
} the best thing is that I can read it all too, unlike when one is talked
} about behind one's back. I never get so much attention in real life. I
} shall stay with this group for longer now.

I for one am glad to hear it. Rey has been cross with me lately and has
yet again stooped to ridiculing my spinal deformity. Since Young Kira has
made herself scarce [Hi, Daniel!], Young Pat is the only one who keeps him
off my back.

Mind you don't make a pest of yourself with Bob Cunningham, though.
--
rjv
Reinhold (Rey) Aman
2006-03-28 20:06:43 UTC
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Post by R J Valentine
...
} Keep it up, fellow members. Oh, I just _love_ being talked about
} it. And the best thing is that I can read it all too, unlike when
} one is talked about behind one's back. I never get so much attention
} in real life. I shall stay with this group for longer now.
I for one am glad to hear it. Rey has been cross with me lately and
has yet again stooped to ridiculing my spinal deformity. Since Young
Kira has made herself scarce [Hi, Daniel!], Young Pat is the only one
who keeps him off my back.
Wrong again, Quasimodo. Furthermore, is your STUPIDITY-Detector (TM) on
the fritz? You didn't notice that twitty (= DonnaE "pretty sharp")
broad's chronic lack of sharpness?

Okay, I'll help you. Note, Quas:

1. That lonely, attention-hungry twit loves "being talked about it" [sic].
2. She likes reading whatever someone says to/about her, preferring
that to being talked about behind her back.
3. She put some AUEers into her stupid killfile.
4. As a consequence, she can't read what we're saying about her behind
her back, as it were.

Is Pee-Pee a twitty dildo-brain, or what?

BTW, what's your Social Security Number?

~~~ Rey ~~~
Socially Secure
R J Valentine
2006-03-28 20:51:12 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:06:43 -0800 "Reinhold (Rey) Aman" <***@sonic.net> wrote:
...
} BTW, what's your Social Security Number?

That reminds me, Bank of America has defied yet another instruction to
change my mailing address (effectively asserting a need for my Social
Security number [which they have functioned well enough without for forty
years or so] to do so, under some reading of the "Patriot Act"), so I have
now instructed them to close the account and demanded that they mail me a
check for the balance.

Now we are both aware that they can well affort do do without my business
and that I can well afford to do without their services, so what remains
to be seen is whether they know how to treat a demand-deposit account and
whether they ought to have federal permission to so so for other people.

I do hope we can settle this amicably, but it is certain that they will
settle it without my Social Security number.
--
rjv
the Omrud
2006-03-27 16:01:24 UTC
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Post by Matt B
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:50:44 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Yes, it was a convent school. We token proddies were (by definition I
suppose) in the minority.
Pat.
I haven't visited this group in ages.
Does anyone know what happened to P*rl G*rl?
Please don't. Invoking her name might summon her up out of the
darkness.
--
David
=====
replace usenet with the
John Dean
2006-03-27 17:07:31 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Ok, we've had Proddies, now Left-Footers. WAt school we always
referred to the Roman Catholic kids as left-footers (or Micks). Why
so? What is the origin of this phrase?
Was this a church school? Nobody cared enough about religion at my
school to bother with having nicknames for Catholics. I'm not sure
we even knew who was a Catholic.
We had one Catholic which we knew because he was the only boy excused
morning prayers. At least, he had a note from his Mum which *said* he was a
Catholic.
And they're called left-footers because they kick with the left foot. We
also called them Roman Candles.
--
John Dean
Oxford
Peter Duncanson
2006-03-27 12:22:32 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:36:18 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Ok, we've had Proddies, now Left-Footers. WAt school we always referred to
the Roman Catholic kids as left-footers (or Micks). Why so? What is the
origin of this phrase?
I understand this originated in the northern part of Ireland (where I
currently live).

Left-footer: Roman Catholic.
Right-footer: Protestant.

This agrees with the explanation I was given by an acquaintance a long
time ago:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/18/messages/265.html
The phrase "Left Footer" is given to Catholics but where did
it derive from?

The terms allude to the belief in the North of Ireland that
Catholic farm workers use their left foot to push the spade
when digging, and Protestants the right

I'm not sure that it is really a belief. It is more of a mythical
stereotype. I haven't heard of a survey to discover which foot farm
workers actually use.
--
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e)
Peter Duncanson
2006-03-27 12:39:02 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:22:32 +0100, Peter Duncanson
Post by Peter Duncanson
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:36:18 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Ok, we've had Proddies, now Left-Footers. WAt school we always referred to
the Roman Catholic kids as left-footers (or Micks). Why so? What is the
origin of this phrase?
There is another view at:
http://www.finneganswake.org/notes/notes1.htm
From http://www.louisville.edu/~tavan001/MerseytalkL.html

Left-footer. A Catholic. In Northern Ireland, the inquiry as to
which foot you dig with is really an attempt to find out whether
you are Catholic or Protestant. The belief is that Catholics dig
with the left foot, Protestants with the right. According to Terry
Eagleton, two different kinds of spade were traditionally used in
Ireland, one in (mainly Catholic) Munster and Connacht, and the
other in (partly Protestant) Ulster. One spade was notched on the
right side for digging, the other notched on the left. But actually
the Catholic spade was notched on the right, the Protestant one on
the left. Folklore prevailed: the Catholic "Other" had to be
consigned to the left; calling them "right" would have involved
dangerous ironies.
--
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e)
Father Ignatius
2006-03-27 14:03:20 UTC
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Post by Peter Duncanson
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:22:32 +0100, Peter Duncanson
Post by Peter Duncanson
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:36:18 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Ok, we've had Proddies, now Left-Footers. WAt school we always
referred to the Roman Catholic kids as left-footers (or Micks).
Why so? What is the origin of this phrase?
http://www.finneganswake.org/notes/notes1.htm
From http://www.louisville.edu/~tavan001/MerseytalkL.html
Left-footer. A Catholic. In Northern Ireland, the inquiry as to
which foot you dig with is really an attempt to find out whether
you are Catholic or Protestant. The belief is that Catholics dig
with the left foot, Protestants with the right. According to Terry
Eagleton, two different kinds of spade were traditionally used in
Ireland, one in (mainly Catholic) Munster and Connacht, and the
other in (partly Protestant) Ulster. One spade was notched on the
right side for digging, the other notched on the left. But actually
the Catholic spade was notched on the right, the Protestant one on
the left. Folklore prevailed: the Catholic "Other" had to be
consigned to the left; calling them "right" would have involved
dangerous ironies.
Yabbut. I never saw a spade notched either side for digging. I've seen
many a spade, and they were all symmetrical.

I allus assumed is was something to do with genuflexion.
--
Nat

"Some days, honey, you just need an extra hammer."
--Unattrib.
Tony Cooper
2006-03-27 14:28:12 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:20 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
Post by Father Ignatius
Yabbut. I never saw a spade notched either side for digging. I've seen
many a spade, and they were all symmetrical.
I'm don't really buy-on to the spade origin, but here are digging
implements (slanes) that are not symmetrical:
http://www.pcl-eu.de/virt_ex/detail.php?entry=05
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Peter Duncanson
2006-03-27 16:06:13 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:28:12 GMT, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:20 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
Post by Father Ignatius
Yabbut. I never saw a spade notched either side for digging. I've seen
many a spade, and they were all symmetrical.
I'm don't really buy-on to the spade origin, but here are digging
http://www.pcl-eu.de/virt_ex/detail.php?entry=05
The first picture on this page shows spades for right-footed use.
http://www.uftm.org.uk/collections_and_research/folk_collections/agriculture/

There are many local traditional designs of spade in Ireland.
--
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e)
Alan
2006-03-28 01:27:00 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:20 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
Post by Father Ignatius
Yabbut. I never saw a spade notched either side for digging. I've seen
many a spade, and they were all symmetrical.
I'm don't really buy-on to the spade origin, but here are digging
http://www.pcl-eu.de/virt_ex/detail.php?entry=05
Not that it sheds any light on the left-foot/right-foot issue, but it looks
like the "slane" is described as a *cutting* tool rather than a *digging*
tool. The "slanes" and related tools on that page are designed for cutting
turf in the bogs, not for digging earth.
Tony Cooper
2006-03-28 02:10:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan
Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:20 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
Post by Father Ignatius
Yabbut. I never saw a spade notched either side for digging. I've seen
many a spade, and they were all symmetrical.
I'm don't really buy-on to the spade origin, but here are digging
http://www.pcl-eu.de/virt_ex/detail.php?entry=05
Not that it sheds any light on the left-foot/right-foot issue, but it looks
like the "slane" is described as a *cutting* tool rather than a *digging*
tool. The "slanes" and related tools on that page are designed for cutting
turf in the bogs, not for digging earth.
Slanes are turf spades, and the discussion is about spades. The turf
is cut with the slane, but the slane is also used to lift the turf to
remove it.

When we remove sod in our lawn/garden, we cut sections loose, pry it
up, and lift it out. We'd use a flat-ended spade for this, and we'd
say we were digging out the sod.

The primary difference is that with a slane or spade (in sod removal)
we are cutting out sections and removing the sections. With a shovel,
we remove loose dirt.

You can debate whether or not this is digging, but there's enough
digging action that I think it qualifies.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Peter Duncanson
2006-03-28 18:49:21 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:28:12 GMT, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:20 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
Post by Father Ignatius
Yabbut. I never saw a spade notched either side for digging. I've seen
many a spade, and they were all symmetrical.
I'm don't really buy-on to the spade origin,
And I don't buy the kneeling-to-pray origin.

Digging, whether earth or turf, is done in plain view. Praying tends to
be done indoors. In addition, many protestants in Ireland (and
elsewhere) to not genuflect. They bow the head to pray either seated or
standing. I was brought up as a Methodist in England. The pews in our
church had kneeling-stools for those who chose to genuflect. Most people
didn't use them. The few who did, knelt on both knees -- not
left-footers or right-footers, but no-footers.
--
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e)
Tony Cooper
2006-03-28 19:23:18 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:49:21 +0100, Peter Duncanson
Post by Peter Duncanson
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:28:12 GMT, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:20 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
Post by Father Ignatius
Yabbut. I never saw a spade notched either side for digging. I've seen
many a spade, and they were all symmetrical.
I'm don't really buy-on to the spade origin,
And I don't buy the kneeling-to-pray origin.
Digging, whether earth or turf, is done in plain view. Praying tends to
be done indoors. In addition, many protestants in Ireland (and
elsewhere) to not genuflect. They bow the head to pray either seated or
standing. I was brought up as a Methodist in England. The pews in our
church had kneeling-stools for those who chose to genuflect. Most people
didn't use them. The few who did, knelt on both knees -- not
left-footers or right-footers, but no-footers.
I'm a little confused here. The pews in our (Catholic) church have
kneelers. They are pulled out and used when we kneel to pray.
Kneeling is always done on both knees, but swaying is allowed.

Genuflecting is the famous "bobbing and ducking" that we do *before*
we move into the pew. We genuflect in the aisle. The traditional
genuflection is a quick (sometimes creaky) semi-kneel-on-the-run with
a dip of the head and a rapid waving motion of the hand over the
general area of the forehead, lower chest, and shoulders. Proper
reverence is intended, but consideration should be shown for the
people behind us that want to enter the same pew row.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Peter Duncanson
2006-03-28 20:58:32 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:23:18 GMT, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:49:21 +0100, Peter Duncanson
Post by Peter Duncanson
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:28:12 GMT, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:20 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
Post by Father Ignatius
Yabbut. I never saw a spade notched either side for digging. I've seen
many a spade, and they were all symmetrical.
I'm don't really buy-on to the spade origin,
And I don't buy the kneeling-to-pray origin.
Digging, whether earth or turf, is done in plain view. Praying tends to
be done indoors. In addition, many protestants in Ireland (and
elsewhere) to not genuflect. They bow the head to pray either seated or
standing. I was brought up as a Methodist in England. The pews in our
church had kneeling-stools for those who chose to genuflect. Most people
didn't use them. The few who did, knelt on both knees -- not
left-footers or right-footers, but no-footers.
I'm a little confused here.
My fault -- excessively broad use of genuflect.
Post by Tony Cooper
The pews in our (Catholic) church have
kneelers. They are pulled out and used when we kneel to pray.
Kneeling is always done on both knees, but swaying is allowed.
Genuflecting is the famous "bobbing and ducking" that we do *before*
we move into the pew. We genuflect in the aisle. The traditional
genuflection is a quick (sometimes creaky) semi-kneel-on-the-run with
a dip of the head and a rapid waving motion of the hand over the
general area of the forehead, lower chest, and shoulders. Proper
reverence is intended, but consideration should be shown for the
people behind us that want to enter the same pew row.
--
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e)
Matthew Huntbach
2006-03-29 10:11:06 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Genuflecting is the famous "bobbing and ducking" that we do *before*
we move into the pew. We genuflect in the aisle. The traditional
genuflection is a quick (sometimes creaky) semi-kneel-on-the-run with
a dip of the head and a rapid waving motion of the hand over the
general area of the forehead, lower chest, and shoulders. Proper
reverence is intended, but consideration should be shown for the
people behind us that want to enter the same pew row.
Strictly, the genuflecting is to the reserved blessed sacrament, which used
nearly always to be kept behind the main altar, but that is no longer the
case. Modern trendies like the idea of keeping it in some separate
place at the side. In that case, to show proper reverence, you should kneel
to where it is kept - not when you enter your seat, or when you enter the
church if there's a crowd behind you, but when you are passing the place
and it's not going to get in anyone's way. Then you bow to the altar when
taking your seat. But most Catholics have got into the habit of thinking
genuflection is something you do as you enter your seat, so do it out of
habit even when it's not towards the blessed sacrament, even when entering
their seat when visiting a Protestant church.

Matthew Huntbach
sage
2006-03-28 20:19:49 UTC
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Post by Peter Duncanson
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:28:12 GMT, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:20 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
Post by Father Ignatius
Yabbut. I never saw a spade notched either side for digging. I've seen
many a spade, and they were all symmetrical.
I'm don't really buy-on to the spade origin,
And I don't buy the kneeling-to-pray origin.
Digging, whether earth or turf, is done in plain view. Praying tends to
be done indoors. In addition, many protestants in Ireland (and
elsewhere) to not genuflect. They bow the head to pray either seated or
standing. I was brought up as a Methodist in England. The pews in our
church had kneeling-stools for those who chose to genuflect. Most people
didn't use them. The few who did, knelt on both knees -- not
left-footers or right-footers, but no-footers.
As is clear from all the discussion here, kneeling to pray and
genuflecting aren't the same thing.

Cheers, Sage
Peter Duncanson
2006-03-28 23:13:10 UTC
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Post by sage
Post by Peter Duncanson
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:28:12 GMT, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:20 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
Post by Father Ignatius
Yabbut. I never saw a spade notched either side for digging. I've seen
many a spade, and they were all symmetrical.
I'm don't really buy-on to the spade origin,
And I don't buy the kneeling-to-pray origin.
Digging, whether earth or turf, is done in plain view. Praying tends to
be done indoors. In addition, many protestants in Ireland (and
elsewhere) to not genuflect. They bow the head to pray either seated or
standing. I was brought up as a Methodist in England. The pews in our
church had kneeling-stools for those who chose to genuflect. Most people
didn't use them. The few who did, knelt on both knees -- not
left-footers or right-footers, but no-footers.
As is clear from all the discussion here, kneeling to pray and
genuflecting aren't the same thing.
Agreed. It was an accidental misuse. In my Christian upbringing I
neither knelt not genuflected.
--
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e)
Matthew Huntbach
2006-03-29 10:01:38 UTC
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Post by Peter Duncanson
Post by sage
Post by Peter Duncanson
Digging, whether earth or turf, is done in plain view. Praying tends to
be done indoors. In addition, many protestants in Ireland (and
elsewhere) to not genuflect. They bow the head to pray either seated or
standing. I was brought up as a Methodist in England. The pews in our
church had kneeling-stools for those who chose to genuflect. Most people
didn't use them. The few who did, knelt on both knees -- not
left-footers or right-footers, but no-footers.
As is clear from all the discussion here, kneeling to pray and
genuflecting aren't the same thing.
Agreed. It was an accidental misuse. In my Christian upbringing I
neither knelt not genuflected.
Yes, "genuflection" refers specifically to an act done to venerate the
reserved blessed sacrament. But as article 25 of the 39 Articles which are
the Church of England's statement of beliefs says:

"The Sacraments were not ordained of Christ to be gazed upon, or to be carried
about".

So as Anglicans, who are the least Protestant of Prods won't do it,
certainly no other prods would. Of course, we now have High Church Anglicans
who do. But isn't that a bit weird - having set up their own Church with its
own statement of beliefs, and disembowelled after slow hanging those who
wouldn't go along with it, they say "Oh, we were quite wrong then, now we
don't believe what we said we believed when we set up our own Church". So
why bother keeping that separate Church?

Matthew Huntbach
Pat Durkin
2006-03-27 15:30:53 UTC
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Post by Father Ignatius
Post by Peter Duncanson
Post by Peter Duncanson
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:36:18 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Ok, we've had Proddies, now Left-Footers. WAt school we always
referred to the Roman Catholic kids as left-footers (or Micks).
Why so? What is the origin of this phrase?
Left-footer. A Catholic. In Northern Ireland, the inquiry as to
which foot you dig with is really an attempt to find out whether
you are Catholic or Protestant. The belief is that Catholics dig
with the left foot, Protestants with the right.
I allus assumed is was something to do with genuflexion.
I doubt I have ever heard the expression used, but my first assumption
is to go with Nat's understanding. A Catholic puts his left foot
forward and kneels on the right in the genuflection. However, I am not
at all sure the CofE people don't do that as well.

The bended knee is, after all, a courtly gesture. However, as I recall
seeing some old films (which may or may not be accurate), the straight
left leg (make a leg?) is also put forward in a bow and flourish.
Pat Durkin
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-27 15:53:59 UTC
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Post by Pat Durkin
Post by Father Ignatius
Post by Peter Duncanson
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:36:18 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Ok, we've had Proddies, now Left-Footers. WAt school we always
referred to the Roman Catholic kids as left-footers (or Micks).
Why so? What is the origin of this phrase?
I allus assumed is was something to do with genuflexion.
I doubt I have ever heard the expression used, but my first assumption
is to go with Nat's understanding. A Catholic puts his left foot
forward and kneels on the right in the genuflection. However, I am
not at all sure the CofE people don't do that as well.
Pat Durkin
Anglicans (CofE) don't genuflect.
P.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
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Father Ignatius
2006-03-27 16:07:33 UTC
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Post by Patricia Pasterham
Anglicans (CofE) don't genuflect.
Isn't this a Low Church vs. High Church distinction, like bells and smells?
--
Nat

"Some days, honey, you just need an extra hammer."
--Unattrib.
Percival P. Cassidy
2006-03-28 02:37:26 UTC
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Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Pat Durkin
I doubt I have ever heard the expression used, but my first assumption
is to go with Nat's understanding. A Catholic puts his left foot
forward and kneels on the right in the genuflection. However, I am
not at all sure the CofE people don't do that as well.
Anglicans (CofE) don't genuflect.
The terms "Anglican" and "CofE" cover congregations of such widely
differing kinds that it is dangerous to generalize. Perhaps *you* (if
you yourself are Anglican) or the Anglicans you know do not genuflect,
but it is not uncommon in some "high" (Anglo-Catholic) parishes.

Oh, I see that you are in Australia. If you are an Anglican in the
Sydney diocese, then you may not be in the habit of genuflecting, but
even in that diocese you might well see people genuflecting at Christ
Church St. Lawrence in the city.

One man I knew in Brisbane left the Roman Catholic Church because it was
getting too "trendy" and started worshipping at an Anglican parish that
was much "higher" than most of the RC ones.

"Perce"
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-28 06:30:34 UTC
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Post by Percival P. Cassidy
Post by Pat Durkin
I doubt I have ever heard the expression used, but my first
assumption is to go with Nat's understanding. A Catholic puts his
left foot forward and kneels on the right in the genuflection. However,
I am not at all sure the CofE people don't do that as well.
<snip>
Post by Percival P. Cassidy
Oh, I see that you are in Australia. If you are an Anglican in the
Sydney diocese, then you may not be in the habit of genuflecting, but
even in that diocese you might well see people genuflecting at Christ
Church St. Lawrence in the city.
One man I knew in Brisbane left the Roman Catholic Church because it
was getting too "trendy" and started worshipping at an Anglican
parish that was much "higher" than most of the RC ones.
"Perce"
Hey, Perce old mate - where are you located?
Sunburnt P.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
Percival P. Cassidy
2006-03-28 16:10:15 UTC
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Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Percival P. Cassidy
Oh, I see that you are in Australia. If you are an Anglican in the
Sydney diocese, then you may not be in the habit of genuflecting, but
even in that diocese you might well see people genuflecting at Christ
Church St. Lawrence in the city.
One man I knew in Brisbane left the Roman Catholic Church because it
was getting too "trendy" and started worshipping at an Anglican
parish that was much "higher" than most of the RC ones.
Hey, Perce old mate - where are you located?
At present I am in Western Michigan, USA, but I have lived in Adelaide,
Sydney and Brisbane (in that order).

"Perce"
Sara Lorimer
2006-03-27 18:14:37 UTC
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Post by Pat Durkin
A Catholic puts his left foot
forward and kneels on the right in the genuflection.
I just stood up and tried a genuflecting (to the bread machine, as
things turned out). I naturally put my right foot forward. Am I
goofy-footed when it comes to such things?
--
SML
barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen
Wood Avens
2006-03-27 18:24:37 UTC
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Post by Sara Lorimer
Post by Pat Durkin
A Catholic puts his left foot
forward and kneels on the right in the genuflection.
I just stood up and tried a genuflecting (to the bread machine, as
things turned out). I naturally put my right foot forward. Am I
goofy-footed when it comes to such things?
I've just tried it (to the ironing-board, as it happens) and I'm
definitely left-footed. I wasn't taught to genuflect as a child (our
Anglicanism wasn't of sufficient altitude) but I was taught to curtsy,
and that seems to be why my feet go where they do.
--
Katy Jennison

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Laura F. Spira
2006-03-27 20:20:03 UTC
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Post by Wood Avens
Post by Sara Lorimer
Post by Pat Durkin
A Catholic puts his left foot
forward and kneels on the right in the genuflection.
I just stood up and tried a genuflecting (to the bread machine, as
things turned out). I naturally put my right foot forward. Am I
goofy-footed when it comes to such things?
I've just tried it (to the ironing-board, as it happens) and I'm
definitely left-footed. I wasn't taught to genuflect as a child (our
Anglicanism wasn't of sufficient altitude) but I was taught to curtsy,
and that seems to be why my feet go where they do.
I, too, was taught to curtsey (for meeting Brenda) but I do it with my
right foot forward.

This evening I have been to a book launch where I was served a delicious
chardonnay called Wild Pig.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
the Omrud
2006-03-27 22:01:39 UTC
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Post by Laura F. Spira
This evening I have been to a book launch where I was served a delicious
chardonnay called Wild Pig.
One of the wines sold under the Fitou AOC, local to our French
village, is named "Seigneur d'Arse".

Aha. http://www.cascastel.com/SeigneurArse.php
--
David
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Laura F. Spira
2006-03-27 21:56:41 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by Laura F. Spira
This evening I have been to a book launch where I was served a delicious
chardonnay called Wild Pig.
One of the wines sold under the Fitou AOC, local to our French
village, is named "Seigneur d'Arse".
Aha. http://www.cascastel.com/SeigneurArse.php
Mm, yes, please.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
the Omrud
2006-03-27 22:11:46 UTC
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Post by Laura F. Spira
Post by the Omrud
Post by Laura F. Spira
This evening I have been to a book launch where I was served a delicious
chardonnay called Wild Pig.
One of the wines sold under the Fitou AOC, local to our French
village, is named "Seigneur d'Arse".
Aha. http://www.cascastel.com/SeigneurArse.php
Mm, yes, please.
I'll bring you some home at Easter. The price on the web page is
outrageous - I think it's about 4 Euros at the supermarket.

BTW, for anybody who is listening, I am off to Japan for a week,
starting on Sunday. I hope to be online from there but I can't be
sure.
--
David
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Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-28 06:33:40 UTC
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Post by Laura F. Spira
Post by the Omrud
Post by the Omrud
One of the wines sold under the Fitou AOC, local to our French
village, is named "Seigneur d'Arse".
Aha. http://www.cascastel.com/SeigneurArse.php
Mm, yes, please.
I'll bring you some home at Easter. <snip>.
BTW, for anybody who is listening, I am off to Japan for a week,
starting on Sunday. I hope to be online from there but I can't be
sure.
Would you bring me some sake, for goodness' sake.
P.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
the Omrud
2006-03-28 07:53:48 UTC
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Post by Patricia Pasterham
Post by Laura F. Spira
Post by the Omrud
Post by the Omrud
One of the wines sold under the Fitou AOC, local to our French
village, is named "Seigneur d'Arse".
Aha. http://www.cascastel.com/SeigneurArse.php
Mm, yes, please.
I'll bring you some home at Easter. <snip>.
BTW, for anybody who is listening, I am off to Japan for a week,
starting on Sunday. I hope to be online from there but I can't be
sure.
Would you bring me some sake, for goodness' sake.
Well, I could bring some home with me, but are you planning a trip to
Warrington?
--
David
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Charles Riggs
2006-03-28 18:25:34 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by Laura F. Spira
Post by the Omrud
Post by Laura F. Spira
This evening I have been to a book launch where I was served a delicious
chardonnay called Wild Pig.
One of the wines sold under the Fitou AOC, local to our French
village, is named "Seigneur d'Arse".
Aha. http://www.cascastel.com/SeigneurArse.php
Mm, yes, please.
I'll bring you some home at Easter. The price on the web page is
outrageous - I think it's about 4 Euros at the supermarket.
BTW, for anybody who is listening, I am off to Japan for a week,
starting on Sunday. I hope to be online from there but I can't be
sure.
Have fun. It'd be difficult not to. Don't forget to bow to everyone
you meet, even if only casually, and be sure to stock up on electronic
goodies. Will you be in Tokyo at all?
--
Charles Riggs
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-28 06:32:07 UTC
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Post by Laura F. Spira
Post by Wood Avens
Post by Pat Durkin
A Catholic puts his left foot
forward and kneels on the right in the genuflection.
<snip>
Post by Laura F. Spira
Post by Wood Avens
I've just tried it (to the ironing-board, as it happens) and I'm
definitely left-footed. I wasn't taught to genuflect as a child (our
Anglicanism wasn't of sufficient altitude) but I was taught to
curtsy, and that seems to be why my feet go where they do.
I, too, was taught to curtsey (for meeting Brenda) but I do it with my
right foot forward.
This evening I have been to a book launch where I was served a
delicious chardonnay called Wild Pig.
My favourite local wine is a white called Madfish. I suspect the Wild Pig
"whooshes" better than the Madfish.
P.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
take your wig off to reply direct
CDB
2006-03-27 20:29:30 UTC
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Post by Wood Avens
Post by Sara Lorimer
Post by Pat Durkin
A Catholic puts his left foot
forward and kneels on the right in the genuflection.
I just stood up and tried a genuflecting (to the bread machine, as
things turned out). I naturally put my right foot forward. Am I
goofy-footed when it comes to such things?
I've just tried it (to the ironing-board, as it happens) and I'm
definitely left-footed. I wasn't taught to genuflect as a child
(our Anglicanism wasn't of sufficient altitude) but I was taught to
curtsy, and that seems to be why my feet go where they do.
AOL. As a small child, I was taught how to bow, for some reason.
Just now, to the monitor and to you all: left foot forward, right hand
on breast. I am nominally Catholic, but I dimly recall the bow as
being Protestant.
Matthew Huntbach
2006-03-28 08:42:07 UTC
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Post by CDB
AOL. As a small child, I was taught how to bow, for some reason.
Just now, to the monitor and to you all: left foot forward, right hand
on breast. I am nominally Catholic, but I dimly recall the bow as
being Protestant.
Properly, a Catholic should bow to the altar if the tabernacle is not
behind it, or during mass. Also it's a way of being polite but a little
bit bitchy to bow to the altar if you visit an Anglican church.
Most Catholics however, just genuflect in these circumstances out of
force of habit.

Matthew Huntbach
TsuiDF
2006-03-27 20:32:33 UTC
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Post by Wood Avens
I've just tried it (to the ironing-board, as it happens) and I'm
definitely left-footed. I wasn't taught to genuflect as a child (our
Anglicanism wasn't of sufficient altitude) but I was taught to curtsy,
and that seems to be why my feet go where they do.
I'm definitely left-footed. When I used to ice skate, I was told
people naturally spin to one side or the other, and mine (like the
majority of ice skaters, apparently) was left. But I'm right-handed.
Does this have to do with sides of the brain or something like that?
Is there a medical doctor in the house who knows about this stuff?

cheers,
Stephanie
in Brussels
Mike Lyle
2006-03-27 20:48:56 UTC
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Post by Wood Avens
Post by Sara Lorimer
Post by Pat Durkin
A Catholic puts his left foot
forward and kneels on the right in the genuflection.
I just stood up and tried a genuflecting (to the bread machine, as
things turned out). I naturally put my right foot forward. Am I
goofy-footed when it comes to such things?
I've just tried it (to the ironing-board, as it happens) and I'm
definitely left-footed. I wasn't taught to genuflect as a child (our
Anglicanism wasn't of sufficient altitude) but I was taught to curtsy,
and that seems to be why my feet go where they do.
Chest of drawers. Left.
--
Mike.
R J Valentine
2006-03-27 20:13:18 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:14:37 -0800 Sara Lorimer <***@gmail.com> wrote:

} Pat Durkin <***@sbc.com> wrote:
}
}> A Catholic puts his left foot
}> forward and kneels on the right in the genuflection.
}
} I just stood up and tried a genuflecting (to the bread machine, as
} things turned out). I naturally put my right foot forward. Am I
} goofy-footed when it comes to such things?

No, that's the correct one for kissing bishops' rings, in case it comes up
sometime (and I know of a cardinal who keeps his ring in his back pocket).

You don't see near as much genuflecting in Catholic churches anymore,
since they started putting the tabernacle in a separate chapel. A lot of
people weren't too clear on what they were genuflecting to, but it was
easy enough when the usual suspects were all lined up vertically.

There's a lot more bowing now than there used to be.

A respectful hesitation is probably sufficient, the bishops' preferences
notwithstanding.

} --
} SML
} barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen

What a woman!
--
rjv
Arrrr!
Andrew B
2006-03-28 07:34:09 UTC
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Post by Peter Duncanson
From http://www.louisville.edu/~tavan001/MerseytalkL.html
[ ... ] In Northern Ireland, the inquiry as to which foot you
dig with is really an attempt to find out whether you are
Catholic or Protestant.
Today ( in more enlightened times, we hope ) such an enquiry has
mutated into ``So what foot do you kick with?'', at least around
Belfast.

Thankfully usually confined to more jocular and rhetorical usage
amongst friends who know what the answer will be but who wish
to make a point about some topic of discussion. For additional
emphasis a ball is often rolled towards the subject's feet.
--
Andrew B
Patricia Pasterham
2006-03-28 08:09:57 UTC
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Post by Andrew B
Post by Peter Duncanson
From http://www.louisville.edu/~tavan001/MerseytalkL.html
[ ... ] In Northern Ireland, the inquiry as to which foot you
dig with is really an attempt to find out whether you are
Catholic or Protestant.
Today ( in more enlightened times, we hope ) such an enquiry has
mutated into ``So what foot do you kick with?'', at least around
Belfast.
Is that anything like "On which side do you dress?"?
Post by Andrew B
Thankfully usually confined to more jocular and rhetorical usage
amongst friends who know what the answer will be but who wish
to make a point about some topic of discussion. For additional
emphasis a ball is often rolled towards the subject's feet.
--
"If we are not meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"
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Ken Cashion
2006-03-27 14:43:19 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:36:18 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Ok, we've had Proddies, now Left-Footers. WAt school we always referred to
the Roman Catholic kids as left-footers (or Micks). Why so? What is the
origin of this phrase?
Thanks,
Pat.
Is there a formal way of genuflecting? Like with the left foot back?

I was not familiar with "Proddies" until just the other day when I
read it here. Why isn't it "Protties"?

I wouldn't think it would have anything to do with pronunciation
because the English are so good about things like that. I can even
hear the second "s" in words like "ghosts".

Ken
Matthew Huntbach
2006-03-27 16:23:25 UTC
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Post by Ken Cashion
Is there a formal way of genuflecting? Like with the left foot back?
On one knee before the blessed sacrament in the tabernacle (a task made
somewhat harder now "modernisation" sometimes means the tabernacle
is hidden in an obscure place), on two knees before the blessed
sacrament when it's exposed.
Post by Ken Cashion
I was not familiar with "Proddies" until just the other day when I
read it here. Why isn't it "Protties"?
For the same reason that "Patrick" becomes "Paddy" and not "Patty".

Matthew Huntbach
Pat Durkin
2006-03-27 21:43:09 UTC
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Post by Matthew Huntbach
Post by Ken Cashion
Is there a formal way of genuflecting? Like with the left foot back?
On one knee before the blessed sacrament in the tabernacle (a task made
somewhat harder now "modernisation" sometimes means the tabernacle
is hidden in an obscure place), on two knees before the blessed
sacrament when it's exposed.
Well, I forgot that double one. But your single-knee thing. Was the
right or left knee on the floor (when you weren't rushing out of the
church)? Sometimes I did the thing so fast I really knocked my knee.
Ouch.
Post by Matthew Huntbach
Post by Ken Cashion
I was not familiar with "Proddies" until just the other day when I
read it here. Why isn't it "Protties"?
For the same reason that "Patrick" becomes "Paddy" and not "Patty".
But my great granddad was Patsy, and my grandpa was Packy. I have
always insisted on Pat.
Matthew Huntbach
2006-03-28 08:33:04 UTC
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Post by Pat Durkin
Post by Matthew Huntbach
Post by Ken Cashion
Is there a formal way of genuflecting? Like with the left foot back?
On one knee before the blessed sacrament in the tabernacle (a task
made somewhat harder now "modernisation" sometimes means the tabernacle
is hidden in an obscure place), on two knees before the blessed
sacrament when it's exposed.
Well, I forgot that double one. But your single-knee thing. Was the
right or left knee on the floor (when you weren't rushing out of the
church)? Sometimes I did the thing so fast I really knocked my knee.
Ouch.
I don't recall there being any rule about it being left knee or right
knee. It may be that it varies between people, possibly connected to
left-handedness and right-handedness.

There's a girly way of doing it really fast which involves bending
the knee so slightly it remains a good foot off the ground. Doing it
too fast the other way is a men's thing.

Matthew Huntbach
Pat Durkin
2006-03-28 16:39:14 UTC
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Post by Matthew Huntbach
Post by Pat Durkin
Well, I forgot that double one. But your single-knee thing. Was the
right or left knee on the floor (when you weren't rushing out of the
church)? Sometimes I did the thing so fast I really knocked my knee.
Ouch.
Right knee on the floor, of course.
Post by Matthew Huntbach
I don't recall there being any rule about it being left knee or right
knee. It may be that it varies between people, possibly connected to
left-handedness and right-handedness.
Possibly you are correct. Don't know your age or era, but my younger
brother is just 68 years of age, and with a very predominant
left-handedness. While I had no problems in serving at Mass, he had
many near falls, only remembering at the last moment before touchdown
that he was to bend the left knee and drop the right one to the floor.
I don't know how many other youngsters I have seen making that awkward
double dip.
Post by Matthew Huntbach
There's a girly way of doing it really fast which involves bending
the knee so slightly it remains a good foot off the ground. Doing it
too fast the other way is a men's thing.
When you say "a good foot off the ground", you are discussing the knee
that is "supposed" to touch the ground, correct? That jerky, quick,
scarcely bent knee (or knees) is something I associate with guys. So,
"doing it too fast the other way" is. . .what? I know that if one does
it too slowly, one is likely to overbalance.

All of my memories are from long, long ago, of course.
Pat
Matthew Huntbach
2006-03-29 10:27:48 UTC
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Post by Matthew Huntbach
I don't recall there being any rule about it being left knee or right
knee. It may be that it varies between people, possibly connected to
left-handedness and right-handedness.
Possibly you are correct. Don't know your age or era, but my younger
brother is just 68 years of age, and with a very predominant
left-handedness. While I had no problems in serving at Mass, he had
many near falls, only remembering at the last moment before touchdown
that he was to bend the left knee and drop the right one to the floor.
I don't know how many other youngsters I have seen making that awkward
double dip.
I'm talking current practice, although I'm just about old enough to have
attended primary school at a time when there were still plenty of nuns
teaching us how to do these things. Maybe being right-handed it was
never an issue for me, and left-handers were made to do it in the way that
didn't come natural for them, but I don't remember any positive enforcment of
one knee over the other.
Post by Pat Durkin
Post by Matthew Huntbach
There's a girly way of doing it really fast which involves bending
the knee so slightly it remains a good foot off the ground. Doing it
too fast the other way is a men's thing.
When you say "a good foot off the ground", you are discussing the knee
that is "supposed" to touch the ground, correct? That jerky, quick,
scarcely bent knee (or knees) is something I associate with guys. So,
"doing it too fast the other way" is. . .what? I know that if one does
it too slowly, one is likely to overbalance.
"Doing it too fast the other way" is what you suggested - instead of not
bending enough, you bend too much and hit your knee on the ground. Either
way involves being too quick to correctly judge the movement for the knee
to touch the ground softly.

"A good foot off the ground" is, yes, as you say, the knee which is supposed
to touch the ground only slightly bending. Come on now, this is girly,
especially when accompanied with a cute wiggle of the bum.

Matthew Huntbach

Ken Cashion
2006-03-28 02:44:10 UTC
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Post by Matthew Huntbach
Post by Ken Cashion
Is there a formal way of genuflecting? Like with the left foot back?
On one knee before the blessed sacrament in the tabernacle (a task made
somewhat harder now "modernisation" sometimes means the tabernacle
is hidden in an obscure place), on two knees before the blessed
sacrament when it's exposed.
Post by Ken Cashion
I was not familiar with "Proddies" until just the other day when I
read it here. Why isn't it "Protties"?
For the same reason that "Patrick" becomes "Paddy" and not "Patty".
Matthew, I didn't know that "Paddy" was "Patrick." Thank you.

Ken
Post by Matthew Huntbach
Matthew Huntbach
Ken Cashion
2006-03-28 02:54:32 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:23:25 +0100, Matthew Huntbach
Post by Matthew Huntbach
Post by Ken Cashion
Is there a formal way of genuflecting? Like with the left foot back?
On one knee before the blessed sacrament in the tabernacle (a task made
somewhat harder now "modernisation" sometimes means the tabernacle
is hidden in an obscure place), on two knees before the blessed
sacrament when it's exposed.
Post by Ken Cashion
I was not familiar with "Proddies" until just the other day when I
read it here. Why isn't it "Protties"?
For the same reason that "Patrick" becomes "Paddy" and not "Patty".
Matthew, I didn't know that "Paddy" was "Patrick." Thank you.

Ken
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Matthew Huntbach
sage
2006-03-27 22:32:50 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:36:18 +0800, "Patricia Pasterham"
Post by Patricia Pasterham
Ok, we've had Proddies, now Left-Footers. WAt school we always referred to
the Roman Catholic kids as left-footers (or Micks). Why so? What is the
origin of this phrase?
Thanks,
Pat.
Is there a formal way of genuflecting? Like with the left foot back?
Left forward. These days 'tis the getting up again so the right doesn't
always go down to the deck.
Post by Peter Duncanson
I was not familiar with "Proddies" until just the other day when I
read it here. Why isn't it "Protties"?
Because it generally comes out as "Prodestant".
Post by Peter Duncanson
I wouldn't think it would have anything to do with pronunciation
because the English are so good about things like that. I can even
hear the second "s" in words like "ghosts".
Ken
By the left! Quick march! (Band strikes up "Hearts of Oak".)

By the left boot of Hector. (A mild expletive as the bloke in the rank
in front of you loses step, you tread on his heel and fall flat on your
face. Good for 10 days 'Nines". For you. Not him.)

Cheers, Sage
Father Ignatius
2006-03-27 22:47:04 UTC
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By the left! Quick march! (Band strikes up "Hearts of Oak".)
"Heart of Oak", I think.
--
Nat

"Some days, honey, you just need an extra hammer."
--Unattrib.
sage
2006-03-28 02:14:01 UTC
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Post by sage
By the left! Quick march! (Band strikes up "Hearts of Oak".)
"Heart of Oak", I think.
I think you're right. I spent most of my marching time dodging that
daft bugger in front.

As you also know the music to Heart of Oak was by Dr. William Boyce
(1711-1779)and the English words (there are others?) were written by the
actor David Garrick (1716-1779) in 1759.

And since we're on about lower appendages: Garrick is also credited with
the theatrical blessing, "Break a Leg" as he was reportedly so involved
in his performance of Richard III that he did not notice the pain of a
fracture he incurred.

"Heart of Oak" is the official march of the Royal Navy, and what used to
be called the Royal Canadian Navy (now called the Canadian Forces
Maritime Command, the naval component of the Canadian Forces (CF), as
well as the CF's Naval Operations Branch. Only a bureaucrat could
destroy such a famous name.)

And then there's:

The 2000 African Club Soccer Champions. The site includes players,
history, management, latest news and events and a forum.
www.heartsofoakonline.com/

Probably not a good idea to click on it. You'll never shake off "*those*
letters.

Cheers, Sage
Ken Cashion
2006-03-28 14:56:16 UTC
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Post by Father Ignatius
Post by sage
By the left! Quick march! (Band strikes up "Hearts of Oak".)
"Heart of Oak", I think.
I think you're right. I spent most of my marching time dodging that
daft bugger in front.
As you also know the music to Heart of Oak was by Dr. William Boyce
(1711-1779)and the English words (there are others?) were written by the
actor David Garrick (1716-1779) in 1759.
And since we're on about lower appendages: Garrick is also credited with
the theatrical blessing, "Break a Leg" as he was reportedly so involved
in his performance of Richard III that he did not notice the pain of a
fracture he incurred.
"Heart of Oak" is the official march of the Royal Navy, and what used to
be called the Royal Canadian Navy (now called the Canadian Forces
Maritime Command, the naval component of the Canadian Forces (CF), as
well as the CF's Naval Operations Branch. Only a bureaucrat could
destroy such a famous name.)
I love things like this. Thank you both.

Ken
Post by sage
The 2000 African Club Soccer Champions. The site includes players,
history, management, latest news and events and a forum.
www.heartsofoakonline.com/
Probably not a good idea to click on it. You'll never shake off "*those*
letters.
Cheers, Sage
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