Origin of "Fire bad!"

[Randy Walld]

Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

randy

[Father Ignatius]

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

While we are here, can we do the same for "Fire in the hole!"? The
proto-adolescent son of a friend uses this to mean "I am about to fart".
Where does he get that?

[Mark Brader]

Post by Father Ignatius

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate?

No idea, never heard it. If it means somwething like "this fire is bad",
it sounds like someone's parody of primitive language.

Post by Father Ignatius
While we are here, can we do the same for "Fire in the hole!"?

The traditional miners' warning of imminent blasting, or so I understand.

[Skitt]

Post by Mark Brader

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate?

No idea, never heard it. If it means somwething like "this fire is
bad", it sounds like someone's parody of primitive language.

English-speaking cavemen were saying things like "fire good", or "fire bad",
depending on what was burning, innit?

Woman good.

[Oaken Coates]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:36:21 +0200, "Father Ignatius"

Post by Father Ignatius

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

While we are here, can we do the same for "Fire in the hole!"? The
proto-adolescent son of a friend uses this to mean "I am about to fart".
Where does he get that?

Timed explosives, US military?

[John Dean]

Post by Father Ignatius

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

While we are here, can we do the same for "Fire in the hole!"? The
proto-adolescent son of a friend uses this to mean "I am about to
fart". Where does he get that?

If Hollywood movies are to be believed, it's what soldiers shout before
they lob a hand grenade into a confined space.

[Skitt]

Post by John Dean

Post by Father Ignatius

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or is
this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are
widely assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

While we are here, can we do the same for "Fire in the hole!"? The
proto-adolescent son of a friend uses this to mean "I am about to
fart". Where does he get that?

If Hollywood movies are to be believed, it's what soldiers shout
before they lob a hand grenade into a confined space.

I think the beginnings of "Fire in the hole!" lie in mining history, when
they use dynamite to blast loose some more coal.

Someone who wrote the Wikipedia entry thought the same as I.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_in_the_hole

[sage]

Post by Skitt

Post by John Dean

Post by Father Ignatius

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are
widely assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

While we are here, can we do the same for "Fire in the hole!"? The
proto-adolescent son of a friend uses this to mean "I am about to
fart". Where does he get that?

If Hollywood movies are to be believed, it's what soldiers shout
before they lob a hand grenade into a confined space.

I think the beginnings of "Fire in the hole!" lie in mining history,
when they use dynamite to blast loose some more coal.
Someone who wrote the Wikipedia entry thought the same as I.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_in_the_hole

Me, too, as well, also. I think all those who go down to the mines in
cages, should be canonized.

Cheers, Sage

[R J Valentine]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:42:50 -0500 sage <***@allstream.net> wrote:
...
} Me, too, as well, also. I think all those who go down to the mines in
} cages, should be canonized.

A terrible thing to wish for, being as how you've got to be dead to be
canonized. Better to think they should have their pictures on
U.S. postage stamps, for which you don't have to be dead (for ten years,
yet) anymore.

ObAUE: Comma Oy! after "cages".

[sage]

Post by R J Valentine
...
} Me, too, as well, also. I think all those who go down to the mines in
} cages, should be canonized.
A terrible thing to wish for, being as how you've got to be dead to be
canonized. Better to think they should have their pictures on
U.S. postage stamps, for which you don't have to be dead (for ten years,
yet) anymore.
ObAUE: Comma Oy! after "cages".

You're right on both counts -- no excuse, except haste. However, the new
Pope is open to all kinds of new ideas. So perhaps he could be persuaded
to make it -- canonization -- the equivalent of the Victoria Cross, the
Congressional Medal of Honor or similar but only for miners: Anyone who
chose to work underground, and only underground, would automatically
qualify.

Have you ever been down't pit? Not an experience I want to repeat.

Cheers, Sage

[R J Valentine]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:41:43 -0500 sage <***@allstream.net> wrote:
...
} Have you ever been down't pit? Not an experience I want to repeat.

Nope. Closest I came was the mine simulation at the Field Museum of
Natural History in Chicago next to the airport in the flight-simulation
program (Hi, Charles!). You go down and down in the dark dark
dark. Eventually they bring you back to life. Maybe erk or
Prof. Volatile tried it, if it was still there when they were there.

[Salvatore Volatile]

Post by R J Valentine
...
} Have you ever been down't pit? Not an experience I want to repeat.
Nope. Closest I came was the mine simulation at the Field Museum of
Natural History in Chicago next to the airport in the flight-simulation
program (Hi, Charles!). You go down and down in the dark dark
dark. Eventually they bring you back to life. Maybe erk or
Prof. Volatile tried it, if it was still there when they were there.

I never made it, or at least I can't so remember. The airport is still
gone, isn't it? Check with Murr.

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:57:35 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile

Post by Salvatore Volatile

Post by R J Valentine
...
} Have you ever been down't pit? Not an experience I want to repeat.
Nope. Closest I came was the mine simulation at the Field Museum of
Natural History in Chicago next to the airport in the flight-simulation
program (Hi, Charles!). You go down and down in the dark dark
dark. Eventually they bring you back to life. Maybe erk or
Prof. Volatile tried it, if it was still there when they were there.

I never made it, or at least I can't so remember. The airport is still
gone, isn't it? Check with Murr.

I don't think he's referring to Miegs.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by R J Valentine
...
} Have you ever been down't pit? Not an experience I want to repeat.
Nope. Closest I came was the mine simulation at the Field Museum of
Natural History in Chicago

Museum of Science and Industry, no?

Museum of Science and Industry, yes:

http://www.msichicago.org/exhibit/coal_mine/index.html

Or have they put in something similar at the Field Museum? I haven't
been there in years.
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[R J Valentine]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:04:17 -0800 Evan Kirshenbaum <***@hpl.hp.com> wrote:

} R J Valentine <***@smart.net> writes:
}
}> sage <***@allstream.net> wrote:
}> ...
}> } Have you ever been down't pit? Not an experience I want to repeat.
}>
}> Nope. Closest I came was the mine simulation at the Field Museum of
}> Natural History in Chicago
}
} Museum of Science and Industry, no?
}
} Museum of Science and Industry, yes:
}
} http://www.msichicago.org/exhibit/coal_mine/index.html
}
} Or have they put in something similar at the Field Museum? I haven't
} been there in years.

Could be. Is that the one near Meigs Field? Big binary distribution of
ball bearings in the lobby? I'm guessing I was wrong on that. Please
accept my apologies. I think it was back in the sixties when I was there.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by R J Valentine
}
}> ...
}> } Have you ever been down't pit? Not an experience I want to repeat.
}>
}> Nope. Closest I came was the mine simulation at the Field Museum of
}> Natural History in Chicago
}
} Museum of Science and Industry, no?
Could be. Is that the one near Meigs Field? Big binary
distribution of ball bearings in the lobby?

Yup. The Field Museum is near Grant Park, along with the Planetarium
and the Aquarium.

Post by R J Valentine
I'm guessing I was wrong on that. Please accept my apologies. I
think it was back in the sixties when I was there.

No problem. I don't think I've been there since the '70s. I was
somewhat surprised to find that they still had the coal mine exhibit.
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:04:17 -0800, Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by R J Valentine
...
} Have you ever been down't pit? Not an experience I want to repeat.
Nope. Closest I came was the mine simulation at the Field Museum of
Natural History in Chicago

Museum of Science and Industry, no?
http://www.msichicago.org/exhibit/coal_mine/index.html
Or have they put in something similar at the Field Museum? I haven't
been there in years.

Damn. I missed that. Read my reply with corrections. NH had the big
assembly of bones.

[Tony Cooper]

Post by R J Valentine
...
} Have you ever been down't pit? Not an experience I want to repeat.
Nope. Closest I came was the mine simulation at the Field Museum of
Natural History in Chicago next to the airport in the flight-simulation
program (Hi, Charles!). You go down and down in the dark dark
dark. Eventually they bring you back to life. Maybe erk or
Prof. Volatile tried it, if it was still there when they were there.

I've been down in that pit. I think I may still have the ashtray that
I stamped out on the machine down the hall. I lost the flattened
penny, though.

They had a submarine, too, I think. Maybe not at the same time.
And a pendulum thing that was several stories high.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Tony Cooper
They had a submarine, too, I think.

A U-boat, to be precise: U-505, sunk off the coast of West Africa in
1944.

http://www.msichicago.org/exhibit/U505/

Post by Tony Cooper
Maybe not at the same time.

At the same time. According to the web site, the sub's been there
since 1954. The coal mine apparently dates to the museum's opening in
1933.
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Post by Skitt

Post by John Dean

Post by Father Ignatius

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably
a fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say
this? Or is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that
are widely assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

While we are here, can we do the same for "Fire in the hole!"? The
proto-adolescent son of a friend uses this to mean "I am about to
fart". Where does he get that?

If Hollywood movies are to be believed, it's what soldiers shout
before they lob a hand grenade into a confined space.

I think the beginnings of "Fire in the hole!" lie in mining history,
when they use dynamite to blast loose some more coal.
Someone who wrote the Wikipedia entry thought the same as I.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_in_the_hole

And they went on to think the same as I:
"The phrase was subsequently adopted by the United States Army and
Marines to give notice that a grenade or satchel charge was being tossed
into a bunker, spider hole, or other enclosure. It is not used for all
explosions - throwing a grenade in the open is not announced, for
example - only those surprisingly close.
Thence, through action movies, it became a publicly-used catch phrase,
serving as a generic warning that something startling is about to
occur."

[Mike Lyle]

John Dean wrote:
[...]

Post by John Dean
If Hollywood movies are to be believed, it's what soldiers shout
before they lob a hand grenade into a confined space.

You'll know from experience that there's always a certain tension
attending the hurling of these instruments. A friend of my father's
popped one into a dugout in New Guinea, but hit the top of the entrance
instead: exit, purfued by a Mills bomb. (He survived the adventure.)

[John Dean]

Post by Mike Lyle
[...]

Post by John Dean
If Hollywood movies are to be believed, it's what soldiers shout
before they lob a hand grenade into a confined space.

You'll know from experience that there's always a certain tension
attending the hurling of these instruments. A friend of my father's
popped one into a dugout in New Guinea, but hit the top of the
entrance instead: exit, purfued by a Mills bomb. (He survived the
adventure.)

I'd imagine so. If I were purfued by a Millf bomb its proximity would
lend me the adrenaline to outdistance the blast radius in the available
seven seconds.
I never had the pleasure of throwing one myfelf (ftop that! I mean STOP
that!) but I've spoken to those who did it during training. You spend a
lot of time throwing dummy grenades. Then the great day dawns that you
use a real one. A Sergeant instructor stands at your elbow and his task
is to retrieve the grenades that butterfingers drop and hoy them away.
If a weakly recruit throws one an inadequate distance, the sergeant's
role is to deck the recruit and ensure the two of them are behind a
firestep when the balloon goes up.
Bless the NCOs, for they shall run the show and tiny shall be their
reward.

[Father Ignatius]

lot of time throwing dummy grenades. Then the great day dawns that you use
a real one. A Sergeant instructor stands at your elbow and his task is to
retrieve the grenades that butterfingers drop and hoy them away.

Hmmmm. I tort that was a Sefficunism, from {Dutch|Afrikaans} _gooi_.

[John Dean]

Post by Father Ignatius

Post by John Dean
lot of time throwing dummy grenades. Then the great day dawns that
you use a real one. A Sergeant instructor stands at your elbow and
his task is to retrieve the grenades that butterfingers drop and hoy
them away.

Hmmmm. I tort that was a Sefficunism, from {Dutch|Afrikaans} _gooi_.

Used in the North of England. Especially the North East. A West
Hartlepudlian of my acquaintance used to declaim, when performing at the
urinal of a pub, "It gans in and it gans oot. Talk about hoyin' money
away."
And then he'd go and buy some more beer.

[Father Ignatius]

Post by John Dean

Post by Father Ignatius

Post by John Dean
lot of time throwing dummy grenades. Then the great day dawns that
you use a real one. A Sergeant instructor stands at your elbow and
his task is to retrieve the grenades that butterfingers drop and hoy
them away.

Hmmmm. I tort that was a Sefficunism, from {Dutch|Afrikaans} _gooi_.

Used in the North of England. Especially the North East. A West
Hartlepudlian of my acquaintance used to declaim, when performing at the

...after a hard day's voting for Peter Mandelson...

Post by John Dean
urinal of a pub, "It gans in and it gans oot. Talk about hoyin' money
away."
And then he'd go and buy some more beer.

Reminding me of {Dutch|Afrikaans} _gang_ (or paps _gaan_).

I'm now wondering which English dialect it was that I've been told is
mutually comprehensible with Frieslandic.

[Mike Lyle]

John Dean wrote:
[...]

Post by John Dean
I never had the pleasure of throwing one myfelf (ftop that! I mean
STOP that!) but I've spoken to those who did it during training. You
spend a lot of time throwing dummy grenades. Then the great day dawns
that you use a real one. A Sergeant instructor stands at your elbow
and his task is to retrieve the grenades that butterfingers drop and
hoy them away. If a weakly recruit throws one an inadequate distance,
the sergeant's role is to deck the recruit and ensure the two of them
are behind a firestep when the balloon goes up.
Bless the NCOs, for they shall run the show and tiny shall be their
reward.

You've got the gift (damn it, the GIST). As you know, Irish Guardees
generally whang the pin and hang onto the bomb. But you've missed a
treat: one of the entertaining bits is that you aren't allowed to take
cover till after you've seen where the utensil landed. You can get
three-second fuses, too! One of the characteristics which disqualifies
me from being a proper Guardian reader is my deplorable tendency to find
this kind of thing hilariously funny. Quite good fun, too, watching
youngsters carrying out the statutory dismantling, cleaning, and testing
the firing-mechanism against their belt-buckles.

[Don Phillipson]

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate?

Mel Brooks's film Young Frankenstein (1974) in the scene
between the Monster (Peter Boyle) and the blind hermit
(who offers the Monster a cigar and a light, which sets its
finger afire, logically enough for a blind man.) The line
is spoken by the Monster.

[Donna Richoux]

Post by Don Phillipson

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate?

Mel Brooks's film Young Frankenstein (1974) in the scene
between the Monster (Peter Boyle) and the blind hermit
(who offers the Monster a cigar and a light, which sets its
finger afire, logically enough for a blind man.) The line
is spoken by the Monster.

Don, I find pages that describe that scene, but even pages with many
quotes from the movie don't show that that line was spoken. Example of
what I do find:

The Blind Man scene includes parts where we see the
monster having hot soup poured on him and getting
his thumb lit on fire. To keep himself protected,
Peter Boyle had a hot pad on his lap, and he wore
something on his thumb to protect it from getting
burnt.

Maybe you or someone owns a copy of "Young Frankenstein" and could
double check?

Perhaps "fire, bad" wasn't considered very noteworthy at the time, and
has been made so nowadays through Buffy. But still, I'd expect someone
to go back and add it to the memorable quotes.

[Default User]

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate?

Supposedly from old Frankenstein movies.

Post by Randy Walld
Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

I'm not sure if it was ever used in a movie. It was popularized at one
time by the US program Saturday Night Live, with Phil Hartman as
Frankenstein (yes I know that's actually the monster). The recurring
skit had Frankenstein, Tonto, and Tarzan speaking in pidgin English.
Frankenstein would usually say at some point, "Fire bad!"




Brian

[Don Phillipson]

Post by Default User
I'm not sure if it was ever used in a movie. It was popularized at one
time by the US program Saturday Night Live, with Phil Hartman as
Frankenstein (yes I know that's actually the monster). The recurring
skit had Frankenstein, Tonto, and Tarzan speaking in pidgin English.
Frankenstein would usually say at some point, "Fire bad!"

This rings true, especially since it postdates the Mel Brooks film (1974).

[Apteryx]

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

It is used by Frankenstein's monster (I think in the 1935 sequel, "Bride of
Frankenstein" in the scene with the blind recluse). It's current popularity
may be due to having been used in Buffy the Vampire Slayer when Buffy says
"Fire bad, tree pretty" to indicate she is too tired to discuss anything
more complex after a hard days work averting an apocalypse.

[Donna Richoux]

Post by Apteryx

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

It is used by Frankenstein's monster (I think in the 1935 sequel, "Bride of
Frankenstein" in the scene with the blind recluse).

That's said several places on the Web. The trouble is, the Internet
Movie Database, which is quite reliable in these matters, can only get
this close:

Memorable Quotes from Bride of Frankenstein (1935)

The Monster: Alone: bad. Friend: good!

Can anyone prove otherwise?

Post by Apteryx
It's current popularity
may be due to having been used in Buffy the Vampire Slayer when Buffy says
"Fire bad, tree pretty" to indicate she is too tired to discuss anything
more complex after a hard days work averting an apocalypse.

That's confirmed by The Buffy Trivia Guide:

In Graduation Day (Part 2), Buffy said to Giles
"fire bad, tree pretty". She also said the line,
"fire bad!" in Beer Bad.

What caught my attention about this discussion was remembering how
fluently the monster in the original book spoke, after learning language
only by eavesdropping from a distance. His first words were: "Pardon
this intrusion." You would think Mary Shelley never had any kids....
Hmm, well, apparently she hadn't yet. Well, then, you'd think she had
never known any small kids.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Donna Richoux
What caught my attention about this discussion was remembering how
fluently the monster in the original book spoke, after learning
language only by eavesdropping from a distance. His first words
were: "Pardon this intrusion."

His first words spoken to others. His first words (to himself) were

Hateful day when I received life...Accursed creator! Why did you
form a monster so hideous that even you turned from me in disgust?
God, in pity, made man beautiful and alluring, after his own
image; but my form is a filthy type of yours, more horrid even
from the very resemblance. Satan had his companions, fellow
devils, to admire and encourage him, but I am solitary and
abhorred.

Then there's what turned into "Me Tarzan, you Jane", except that it
happened in Baltimore:

"My forest man!" she murmured, "No, I must be delerious!"

"Yes, your man, Jane Porter. Your savage, primeval man
come out of the jungle to claim his mate--the woman who
ran away from him," he added almost fiercely.

...

"No;--what shall I call you?" she asked. "What is your name?"

"I was Tarzan of the Apes when you first knew me," he said.
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Then there's what turned into "Me Tarzan, you Jane", except that it
"My forest man!" she murmured, "No, I must be delerious!"
"Yes, your man, Jane Porter. Your savage, primeval man
come out of the jungle to claim his mate--the woman who
ran away from him," he added almost fiercely.
...
"No;--what shall I call you?" she asked. "What is your name?"
"I was Tarzan of the Apes when you first knew me," he said.

It's my understanding that the familiar version of this encounter came about
because Johnny Weissmuller was a better swimmer than a talker....

(We never had these problems with Elmo Lincoln)....r

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Post by Donna Richoux

Post by Apteryx
It is used by Frankenstein's monster (I think in the 1935 sequel, "Bride of
Frankenstein" in the scene with the blind recluse).

That's said several places on the Web. The trouble is, the Internet
Movie Database, which is quite reliable in these matters, can only get
Memorable Quotes from Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
The Monster: Alone: bad. Friend: good!
Can anyone prove otherwise?

I have checked my DVD of Bride of Frankenstein and video of Young
Frankenstein.

What the monster says in the former is actually "Fire no good" in response
to the hermit's "Fire is good". Since has earlier in the scene used several
other instances of "X good/bad", including the ones cited in imdb.com, it
may be that audiences took away the fake quote "Fire bad", in the same way
that they later thought they heard "Play it again Sam" in Casablanca.

The monster in Young Frankenstein does not speak. He merely contradicts the
hermit's "Fire is good. Fire is out friend" by shaking his head and moaning.

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Post by Apteryx

Post by Donna Richoux

Post by Apteryx
It is used by Frankenstein's monster (I think in the 1935 sequel, "Bride of
Frankenstein" in the scene with the blind recluse).

That's said several places on the Web. The trouble is, the Internet
Movie Database, which is quite reliable in these matters, can only get
Memorable Quotes from Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
The Monster: Alone: bad. Friend: good!
Can anyone prove otherwise?

I have checked my DVD of Bride of Frankenstein and video of Young
Frankenstein.
What the monster says in the former is actually "Fire no good" in response
to the hermit's "Fire is good". Since has earlier in the scene used several
other instances of "X good/bad", including the ones cited in imdb.com, it
may be that audiences took away the fake quote "Fire bad", in the same way
that they later thought they heard "Play it again Sam" in Casablanca.
The monster in Young Frankenstein does not speak. He merely contradicts the
hermit's "Fire is good. Fire is out friend" by shaking his head and moaning.

Thanks, I was wondering what was really in those movies.

[Mark Brader]

...it may be that audiences took away the fake quote "Fire bad",
in the same way that they later thought they heard "Play it again
Sam" in Casablanca.

"Play it again, Sam" is a parody quote, not a false memory.

[Donna Richoux]

Post by Mark Brader

...it may be that audiences took away the fake quote "Fire bad",
in the same way that they later thought they heard "Play it again
Sam" in Casablanca.

"Play it again, Sam" is a parody quote, not a false memory.

I wish you would elaborate. What is a "parody quote"? A quote in a
parody? A quote that is a parody? In what way is this one?

As I recall, Woody Allen's movie had *tributes* to "Casablanca" in it,
it was not mocking it. (Not that saying "Play it again, Sam" would be
mocking, anyway.)

I think "false memory" is a good description. People thought they heard
that in "Casablanca" because they remembered the 1972 movie title "Play
It Again, Sam". (I don't know if it's *in* the Allen movie.)

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Donna Richoux
I think "false memory" is a good description. People thought they heard
that in "Casablanca" because they remembered the 1972 movie title "Play
It Again, Sam". (I don't know if it's *in* the Allen movie.)

Apparently, it was a play before it was a movie. One of the first
hits in the _Los Angeles Times_ is

The film rights to Woody Allen's new comedy, "Play it Again, Sam,"
to be produced on Broadway this fall by David Merrick, have been
acquired by 20th Century-Fox. [8/14/1968]

The first I can find is

Play it again, Sam. Hail to the Chiefs. [1/7/1967]

(There are hits from 1962 and 1964, but I can't find the words on the
page, so they may be spurious.) There's also a _Time_ article on
11/24/67 about big bands that uses the phrase as its title.

The first that mentions the original movie is from an article about
Bacall being upset about PanAm using Bogarts picture to advertise
flights to Casablanca:

... the ads which displayed a picture of Bogart with a caption
reading "Play it again, Sam." The movie "Casablanca," in which
Bogart appeared with Ingrid Bergman, made the line famous. [_LA
Times_, 3/3/1971]

So it was apparently "famous" before the movie came out, but not
before the play (which hit Los Angeles earlier that year).
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Post by Donna Richoux

Post by Mark Brader

...it may be that audiences took away the fake quote "Fire bad",
in the same way that they later thought they heard "Play it again
Sam" in Casablanca.

"Play it again, Sam" is a parody quote, not a false memory.

I wish you would elaborate. What is a "parody quote"? A quote in a
parody? A quote that is a parody?

Both of these. In the original movie, Sam is asked or told several
times to "Play it", and of course the story gives the playing of
the song a special significance. But really, a song is just a song
(sorry!), so the whole business is a bit melodramatic and may be seen
as not one being of the movie's stronger points.

Now, if you were a comedian and were looking for something in the movie
to spoof, wouldn't that be something you'd seize on? And wouldn't
"Play it again, Sam" be a natural way to do it?

According to Wikipedia -- I don't have a more reliable source for this
-- the line "Play it again, Sam" occurs in the Marx Brothers' 1946
parody "A Night in Casablanca". I submit that people started quoting
it from there (or perhaps from some earlier comedic work, perhaps on
radio) and it later got misassociated with the original movie mostly by
people who had never seen it, rather than people who remembered it wrongly.

Post by Donna Richoux
As I recall, Woody Allen's movie had *tributes* to "Casablanca" in it...

My take is that Woody Allen, by using the phrase for his title, only
helped perpetuate it.

Post by Donna Richoux
I think "false memory" is a good description. People thought they heard
that in "Casablanca" because they remembered the 1972 movie title "Play
It Again, Sam". ...

But do they really think that, or do they, *without* having seen Casablanca,
think the line is in it?

Aaaah, maybe "false memory" is right at that.

[Salvatore Volatile]

Post by Mark Brader
According to Wikipedia -- I don't have a more reliable source for this
-- the line "Play it again, Sam" occurs in the Marx Brothers' 1946
parody "A Night in Casablanca". I submit that people started quoting
it from there (or perhaps from some earlier comedic work, perhaps on
radio) and it later got misassociated with the original movie mostly by
people who had never seen it, rather than people who remembered it wrongly.

Post by Donna Richoux
As I recall, Woody Allen's movie had *tributes* to "Casablanca" in it...

My take is that Woody Allen, by using the phrase for his title, only
helped perpetuate it.

Woody Allen being a big Marx Bros. fan, it seems plausible that he got the
phrase directly from them.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this?
Or is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are
widely assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

I had thought that it came from the _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_ episode
"Graduation Day, Part 2" (May, 1999):

Buffy tiredly: "I haven't processed everything yet. (with a small
laugh) My brain isn't really functioning on the
higher levels. (takes a deep breath) It's pretty
much: fire bad; tree pretty."

It shows up again the next season in "Beer Bad".

Looking at the Usenet archives, however, someone was using

"Fire BAD! Bread Good! -- Frankenstein"

in November, 1990. Various web pages credit this to _Saturday Night
Live_, although one implies that it comes from a Boris Karloff
version.

A somewhat similar notion can be found in Orwell's _Animal Farm_, with
its "four legs good, two legs bad" slogan and the later SNL "women
good, men bad".
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Looking at the Usenet archives, however, someone was using
"Fire BAD! Bread Good! -- Frankenstein"
in November, 1990. Various web pages credit this to _Saturday Night
Live_, although one implies that it comes from a Boris Karloff
version.

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/87/87hspeaking.phtml



Brian

[R H Draney]

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this?
Or is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are
widely assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

I had thought that it came from the _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_ episode
Buffy tiredly: "I haven't processed everything yet. (with a small
laugh) My brain isn't really functioning on the
higher levels. (takes a deep breath) It's pretty
much: fire bad; tree pretty."
It shows up again the next season in "Beer Bad".
Looking at the Usenet archives, however, someone was using
"Fire BAD! Bread Good! -- Frankenstein"
in November, 1990. Various web pages credit this to _Saturday Night
Live_, although one implies that it comes from a Boris Karloff
version.
A somewhat similar notion can be found in Orwell's _Animal Farm_, with
its "four legs good, two legs bad" slogan and the later SNL "women
good, men bad".

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I am *really* going to have to start watching Buffy when the start of the series
comes around again (late February or early March, if I'm counting the episodes
right)...a couple of weeks ago I picked up a book called "Slayer Slang" about
its use of and influence upon language...the whole "<adj>+much?" construction is
discussed at some length therein...apparently I dismissed it much too soon....r

[the Omrud]

Post by R H Draney
I am *really* going to have to start watching Buffy when the start of the series
comes around again (late February or early March, if I'm counting the episodes
right)...a couple of weeks ago I picked up a book called "Slayer Slang" about
its use of and influence upon language...the whole "<adj>+much?" construction is
discussed at some length therein...apparently I dismissed it much too soon....r

Well worth your investment of time. It was only because of a teenage
girl in the house that we started to watch it, but I was impressed,
although like Star Trek TNG, it takes a season to settle down. Giles
has clearly been told to adopt an absurd stereotype of an English
accent, but this clears up in Season Two.

Apart from the inventive use of English, there is an abundance of wit
and it's all very moral.

And you could also consider Firefly, which was cancelled half way
through the first series but which went down a storm here.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by the Omrud

Post by R H Draney
I am *really* going to have to start watching Buffy when the start
of the series comes around again (late February or early March, if
I'm counting the episodes right)...a couple of weeks ago I picked
up a book called "Slayer Slang" about its use of and influence upon
language...the whole "<adj>+much?" construction is discussed at
some length therein...apparently I dismissed it much too soon....r

Well worth your investment of time. It was only because of a
teenage girl in the house that we started to watch it, but I was
impressed, although like Star Trek TNG, it takes a season to settle
down. Giles has clearly been told to adopt an absurd stereotype of
an English accent, but this clears up in Season Two.

Well, he could hardly have used his own, which James Marster's based
his "Spike" accent on.

Post by the Omrud
Apart from the inventive use of English, there is an abundance of wit
and it's all very moral.

Moral? The show the Parents Television council ranked in their "top
10 worst shows" pretty much every year? :-)
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by the Omrud

Post by R H Draney
I am *really* going to have to start watching Buffy when the start
of the series comes around again (late February or early March, if
I'm counting the episodes right)...a couple of weeks ago I picked
up a book called "Slayer Slang" about its use of and influence upon
language...the whole "<adj>+much?" construction is discussed at
some length therein...apparently I dismissed it much too soon....r

Well worth your investment of time. It was only because of a
teenage girl in the house that we started to watch it, but I was
impressed, although like Star Trek TNG, it takes a season to settle
down. Giles has clearly been told to adopt an absurd stereotype of
an English accent, but this clears up in Season Two.

Well, he could hardly have used his own, which James Marster's based
his "Spike" accent on.

That was actually quite tolerable.

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by the Omrud
Apart from the inventive use of English, there is an abundance of wit
and it's all very moral.

Moral? The show the Parents Television council ranked in their "top
10 worst shows" pretty much every year? :-)

I accept that my view of good and bad behaviour may differ from that
of the Parents Television Council (whatever that is), but I reckon it
sets a good example for teenagers. Good behaviour gets rewarded and
evil behaviour gets punished. Stick by your friends and unite
against evil and you will win through. Good people are sometimes led
astray and can be rescued by their friends. Giant praying mantises
make unreliable girlfriends. That sort of thing.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Moral? The show the Parents Television council ranked in their "top
10 worst shows" pretty much every year? :-)

I accept that my view of good and bad behaviour may differ from that
of the Parents Television Council (whatever that is),

You're not familiar with it? They're apparently responsible for
virtually all official "indecency" complaints to our Federal
Communications Commission. By their own count

http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/fcc/main.asp

they were responsible for almost 270,000 complaints in 2004 and 2005,
including 65,710 because Janet Jackson's nipple was visible for a
second during the 2004 Super Bowl halftime show.

If you can't trust these people to know morality, who can you trust?

Post by the Omrud
but I reckon it sets a good example for teenagers. Good behaviour
gets rewarded and evil behaviour gets punished. Stick by your
friends and unite against evil and you will win through. Good
people are sometimes led astray and can be rescued by their friends.
Giant praying mantises make unreliable girlfriends. That sort of
thing.

Hm. They describe it as "a show saturated with violence, foul
language, and sexual situations". Now who should I believe?
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by the Omrud

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Moral? The show the Parents Television council ranked in their "top
10 worst shows" pretty much every year? :-)

I accept that my view of good and bad behaviour may differ from that
of the Parents Television Council (whatever that is),

You're not familiar with it? They're apparently responsible for
virtually all official "indecency" complaints to our Federal
Communications Commission. By their own count
http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/fcc/main.asp
they were responsible for almost 270,000 complaints in 2004 and 2005,
including 65,710 because Janet Jackson's nipple was visible for a
second during the 2004 Super Bowl halftime show.

I knew about that, of course, but I hadn't clocked the name of the
organisation. We used to have the National Viewers and Listeners
Organisation headed by the astonishing Mary Whitehouse (who watched
all the dirty programmes so that she could describe them to you and
so that you wouldn't have to watch them) but I haven't heard from
them recently.

The only comparable mass complaint here recently was by "Christian
Voice" (an organisation with almost no members but with a web site)
against "Jerry Springer The Opera". I had intended not to watch this
as I have no interest in Jerry Springer but I was so incensed by this
group's spokesman coming on the radio for days telling me that I
mustn't, that I changed my mind. And I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
If you can't trust these people to know morality, who can you trust?

Post by the Omrud
but I reckon it sets a good example for teenagers. Good behaviour
gets rewarded and evil behaviour gets punished. Stick by your
friends and unite against evil and you will win through. Good
people are sometimes led astray and can be rescued by their friends.
Giant praying mantises make unreliable girlfriends. That sort of
thing.

Hm. They describe it as "a show saturated with violence, foul
language, and sexual situations".

All true, but what have these to do with morality (provided that
violence is only used in self defence or to bop the fiendish spawns
of Satan who actually deserve it)?

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Now who should I believe?

Oooh, I know, I know. Is it me?

[Peter Duncanson]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by the Omrud

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Moral? The show the Parents Television council ranked in their "top
10 worst shows" pretty much every year? :-)

I accept that my view of good and bad behaviour may differ from that
of the Parents Television Council (whatever that is),

You're not familiar with it? They're apparently responsible for
virtually all official "indecency" complaints to our Federal
Communications Commission. By their own count
http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/fcc/main.asp
they were responsible for almost 270,000 complaints in 2004 and 2005,
including 65,710 because Janet Jackson's nipple was visible for a
second during the 2004 Super Bowl halftime show.

I knew about that, of course, but I hadn't clocked the name of the
organisation. We used to have the National Viewers and Listeners
Organisation headed by the astonishing Mary Whitehouse (who watched
all the dirty programmes so that she could describe them to you and
so that you wouldn't have to watch them) but I haven't heard from
them recently.

They have renamed theselves "mediawatch-uk". The director is someone
called John Beyer.
http://www.mediawatchuk.org/

[Richard Bollard]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
If you can't trust these people to know morality, who can you trust?

Post by the Omrud
but I reckon it sets a good example for teenagers. Good behaviour
gets rewarded and evil behaviour gets punished. Stick by your
friends and unite against evil and you will win through. Good
people are sometimes led astray and can be rescued by their friends.
Giant praying mantises make unreliable girlfriends. That sort of
thing.

Hm. They describe it as "a show saturated with violence, foul
language, and sexual situations".

All true,

Not quite all. I don't remember any foul language.

Post by the Omrud
but what have these to do with morality (provided that
violence is only used in self defence or to bop the fiendish spawns
of Satan who actually deserve it)?

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Richard Bollard

Post by the Omrud

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
If you can't trust these people to know morality, who can you trust?

Post by the Omrud
but I reckon it sets a good example for teenagers. Good behaviour
gets rewarded and evil behaviour gets punished. Stick by your
friends and unite against evil and you will win through. Good
people are sometimes led astray and can be rescued by their friends.
Giant praying mantises make unreliable girlfriends. That sort of
thing.

Hm. They describe it as "a show saturated with violence, foul
language, and sexual situations".

All true,

Not quite all. I don't remember any foul language.

Ah, but you may have different standards for "foul" than they do:

Buffy has earned a yellow light[1] for foul language for uses of
"bitch," "bastard," "hell," "damn," "ass," and "piss."

[1] They rate each show on a "green", "yellow", "red" scale for "sex",
"language", and "violence". The yellow for language is actually
the best of the three. "Sex" and "violence" get red lights. To
be fair, however, their overall comment is merely "this series is
not appropriate for young children or adolescents", which is a
view I can understand (and, for young children and insufficiently
mature adolescents, agree with). It's their notion of trying to
"protect" these children by getting such shows off the air that
makes them ridiculous.
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Buffy has earned a yellow light[1] for foul language for uses of
"bitch," "bastard," "hell," "damn," "ass," and "piss."

Surely on this show "hell" and "damn" (and perhaps some of the others) are being
used in their technical sense....

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
[1] They rate each show on a "green", "yellow", "red" scale for "sex",
"language", and "violence". The yellow for language is actually
the best of the three. "Sex" and "violence" get red lights. To
be fair, however, their overall comment is merely "this series is
not appropriate for young children or adolescents", which is a
view I can understand (and, for young children and insufficiently
mature adolescents, agree with). It's their notion of trying to
"protect" these children by getting such shows off the air that
makes them ridiculous.

Despite the fact that its main characters started out as third-graders, I
wouldn't recommend "South Park" to an audience of children...as a responsible
(?) adult, I'm able to watch the show without being offended by any but the most
appalling content (I think the one where Cartman tricks another kid into eating
his own parents was the only one that really bothered me), but it's not hard to
see why others might have "issues" with it...and that's why it works...you don't
watch because you think the disgusting goings-on are funny in and of themselves,
but because you keep wondering how they can push the envelope any further than
they have in the past....

And it's labelled accordingly...each episode begins with a printed disclaimer
that reads: "All characters and events in this show - even those based on real
people - are entirely fictional. All celebrity voices are impersonated ...
poorly. The following program contains coarse language and due to its content it
should not be viewed by anyone"

It ends there...the text is formatted to suggest that they just ran out of room
on the screen; a blinking cursor appears after the last word....r

[Linz]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by the Omrud
Well worth your investment of time. It was only because of a
teenage girl in the house that we started to watch it, but I was
impressed, although like Star Trek TNG, it takes a season to settle
down. Giles has clearly been told to adopt an absurd stereotype of
an English accent, but this clears up in Season Two.

Well, he could hardly have used his own, which James Marster's based
his "Spike" accent on.

That was actually quite tolerable.

Well, it improved over time but it was definitely a put-on accent.

[Martin Ambuhl]

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Moral? The show the Parents Television council ranked in their "top
10 worst shows" pretty much every year? :-)

No responsible person ever claimed that the Parents Television Council
has a clue about morality.

The self-righteous PTC produces more that 449 times as many complaints
to the FCC as *all* other people in the world combined.

After all, this is the group which settled with the WWE, paying $3.5M
because of their theft of WWE footage and their false claim that the WWE
contributed to the murder of four children.

Note that another of their frequent winner list of worst shows is "The
Simpsons," which has been used in Christian seminaries as a positive
source of ethical content.

Anyone who thinks that the right-wing activist L. Brent Bozell III and
his sock puppet complainer group have anu insight into morality has a
broken moral compass.

[the Omrud]

Post by Martin Ambuhl

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Moral? The show the Parents Television council ranked in their "top
10 worst shows" pretty much every year? :-)

No responsible person ever claimed that the Parents Television Council
has a clue about morality.

...

Post by Martin Ambuhl
Anyone who thinks that the right-wing activist L. Brent Bozell III and
his sock puppet complainer group have anu insight into morality has a
broken moral compass.

There was a smiley. I don't think Evan could have been much clearer.

[R J Valentine]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:29:44 GMT the Omrud <***@gmail.com> wrote:

} Martin Ambuhl <***@earthlink.net> spake thusly:
}
}> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
}>
}> > Moral? The show the Parents Television council ranked in their "top
}> > 10 worst shows" pretty much every year? :-)
}>
}> No responsible person ever claimed that the Parents Television Council
}> has a clue about morality.
}
} ...
}
}> Anyone who thinks that the right-wing activist L. Brent Bozell III and
}> his sock puppet complainer group have anu insight into morality has a
}> broken moral compass.
}
} There was a smiley. I don't think Evan could have been much clearer.

I got that (and I don't quibble with probably 99 percent of
Mr. Kirshenbaum's postings, believe it or not). But I also didn't see
anything in Br. Martin's posting that was inconsistent with getting the
smiley (nor do I see anything in the Omrud's posting that conflicts with
that). Not that there's anything wrong with agreeing at cross purposes.

Myself, I started watching _The Simpsons_ after a PTA meeting where they
warned parents about it.

_Beavis and Butt-Head_, now there's something dangerous. FIRE! Heh heh.

[the Omrud]

Post by R J Valentine
Myself, I started watching _The Simpsons_ after a PTA meeting where they
warned parents about it.

I simply cannot imagine that happening in a UK mainstream school.

[Tony Cooper]

Post by the Omrud

Post by R J Valentine
Myself, I started watching _The Simpsons_ after a PTA meeting where they
warned parents about it.

I simply cannot imagine that happening in a UK mainstream school.

It's a sad reflection on British society that they are not
ever-vigilant about protecting young and impressionable minds. As
caring adults, we have a responsibility to our children.

OK, I don't know the emoticon for "irony", so you'll have to figure it
out for yourself.

[the Omrud]

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by the Omrud

Post by R J Valentine
Myself, I started watching _The Simpsons_ after a PTA meeting where they
warned parents about it.

I simply cannot imagine that happening in a UK mainstream school.

It's a sad reflection on British society that they are not
ever-vigilant about protecting young and impressionable minds. As
caring adults, we have a responsibility to our children.

I know, I know, that's why our children all grow up to be mindless
thugs. Come to think of it, that's probably what did for me in the
first place.

Post by Tony Cooper
OK, I don't know the emoticon for "irony", so you'll have to figure it
out for yourself.

If I had any graphical ability I would sketch an iron in ASCII art.
But I haven't.

[j***@yahoo.com]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by the Omrud

Post by R J Valentine
Myself, I started watching _The Simpsons_ after a PTA meeting where they
warned parents about it.

I simply cannot imagine that happening in a UK mainstream school.

It's a sad reflection on British society that they are not
ever-vigilant about protecting young and impressionable minds. As
caring adults, we have a responsibility to our children.

I know, I know, that's why our children all grow up to be mindless
thugs. Come to think of it, that's probably what did for me in the
first place.

Post by Tony Cooper
OK, I don't know the emoticon for "irony", so you'll have to figure it
out for yourself.

If I had any graphical ability I would sketch an iron in ASCII art.
But I haven't.

Fe? Then irony would be Fey, which is something else (or several other
things).

[j***@yahoo.com]

Post by j***@yahoo.com

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by the Omrud

Post by R J Valentine
Myself, I started watching _The Simpsons_ after a PTA meeting where they
warned parents about it.

I simply cannot imagine that happening in a UK mainstream school.

It's a sad reflection on British society that they are not
ever-vigilant about protecting young and impressionable minds. As
caring adults, we have a responsibility to our children.

I know, I know, that's why our children all grow up to be mindless
thugs. Come to think of it, that's probably what did for me in the
first place.

Post by Tony Cooper
OK, I don't know the emoticon for "irony", so you'll have to figure it
out for yourself.

If I had any graphical ability I would sketch an iron in ASCII art.
But I haven't.

Fe? Then irony would be Fey, which is something else (or several other
things).

So I was a little slow.

[Peter Duncanson]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:42:32 GMT, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by the Omrud

Post by R J Valentine
Myself, I started watching _The Simpsons_ after a PTA meeting where they
warned parents about it.

I simply cannot imagine that happening in a UK mainstream school.

It's a sad reflection on British society that they are not
ever-vigilant about protecting young and impressionable minds. As
caring adults, we have a responsibility to our children.

In Britain we need to be ever-vigilant to protect the fragile minds of
teachers from damage by some of the so-called "young and impressionable
minds".

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:01:12 +0000, Peter Duncanson

Post by Peter Duncanson
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:42:32 GMT, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by the Omrud

Post by R J Valentine
Myself, I started watching _The Simpsons_ after a PTA meeting where they
warned parents about it.

I simply cannot imagine that happening in a UK mainstream school.

It's a sad reflection on British society that they are not
ever-vigilant about protecting young and impressionable minds. As
caring adults, we have a responsibility to our children.

In Britain we need to be ever-vigilant to protect the fragile minds of
teachers from damage by some of the so-called "young and impressionable
minds".

I wish you had not snipped my closing lines. Some archeologist may
excavate the ruins, find just the above, and display it in the British
Museum as an example of an American who had lost his marbles.

[Peter Duncanson]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:30:14 GMT, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:01:12 +0000, Peter Duncanson

Post by Peter Duncanson
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:42:32 GMT, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by the Omrud

Post by R J Valentine
Myself, I started watching _The Simpsons_ after a PTA meeting where they
warned parents about it.

I simply cannot imagine that happening in a UK mainstream school.

It's a sad reflection on British society that they are not
ever-vigilant about protecting young and impressionable minds. As
caring adults, we have a responsibility to our children.

In Britain we need to be ever-vigilant to protect the fragile minds of
teachers from damage by some of the so-called "young and impressionable
minds".

I wish you had not snipped my closing lines. Some archeologist may
excavate the ruins, find just the above, and display it in the British
Museum as an example of an American who had lost his marbles.

For archeologists -- Tony Cooper's wandering marbles have been returned
overnight:

OK, I don't know the emoticon for "irony", so you'll have to
figure it out for yourself.

[Mike Lyle]

Post by Peter Duncanson
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:30:14 GMT, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:01:12 +0000, Peter Duncanson

Post by Peter Duncanson
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:42:32 GMT, Tony Cooper

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:11:36 GMT, the Omrud

Post by the Omrud

Post by R J Valentine
Myself, I started watching _The Simpsons_ after a PTA meeting
where they warned parents about it.

I simply cannot imagine that happening in a UK mainstream school.

It's a sad reflection on British society that they are not
ever-vigilant about protecting young and impressionable minds. As
caring adults, we have a responsibility to our children.

In Britain we need to be ever-vigilant to protect the fragile minds
of teachers from damage by some of the so-called "young and
impressionable minds".

I wish you had not snipped my closing lines. Some archeologist may
excavate the ruins, find just the above, and display it in the
British Museum as an example of an American who had lost his marbles.

For archeologists -- Tony Cooper's wandering marbles have been
OK, I don't know the emoticon for "irony", so you'll have to
figure it out for yourself.

The Greeks have started asking for their concept back, so far,
fortunately, in an eirenic sort of way.

[Father Ignatius]

Post by Peter Duncanson
For archeologists -- Tony Cooper's wandering marbles have been returned

Today, the Cooper marbles; tomorrow the Elgin marbles.

[Peter Duncanson]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:42:32 GMT, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper
OK, I don't know the emoticon for "irony", so you'll have to figure it
out for yourself.

Experimental irony emoticon: (Fe;

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:07:01 GMT, Martin Ambuhl

Post by Martin Ambuhl

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Moral? The show the Parents Television council ranked in their "top
10 worst shows" pretty much every year? :-)

No responsible person ever claimed that the Parents Television Council
has a clue about morality.
The self-righteous PTC produces more that 449 times as many complaints
to the FCC as *all* other people in the world combined.
After all, this is the group which settled with the WWE, paying $3.5M
because of their theft of WWE footage and their false claim that the WWE
contributed to the murder of four children.

Who are you? Areff? What's "WWE"? Okay, I googled and found that
this is World Wrestling Entertainment. Why make us do this?

[Father Ignatius]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:07:01 GMT, Martin Ambuhl

Post by Martin Ambuhl
After all, this is the group which settled with the WWE, paying $3.5M
because of their theft of WWE footage and their false claim that the WWE
contributed to the murder of four children.

Who are you? Areff? What's "WWE"? Okay, I googled and found that
this is World Wrestling Entertainment. Why make us do this?

It is the universe's way of restoring balance for all those times that
newbies are loftily referred to "the FAQ" without saying which part of which
one, or where it is.

[the Omrud]

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by the Omrud
Apart from the inventive use of English, there is an abundance of wit
and it's all very moral.

Moral? The show the Parents Television council ranked in their "top
10 worst shows" pretty much every year? :-)

I'd never hear of this organisation before, but I have to say they
are doing a great job in categorising programmes so that I can more
easily choose those with decent helpings of sex and violence.

[John Dean]

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by the Omrud

Post by R H Draney
I am *really* going to have to start watching Buffy when the start
of the series comes around again (late February or early March, if
I'm counting the episodes right)...a couple of weeks ago I picked
up a book called "Slayer Slang" about its use of and influence upon
language...the whole "<adj>+much?" construction is discussed at
some length therein...apparently I dismissed it much too soon....r

Well worth your investment of time. It was only because of a
teenage girl in the house that we started to watch it, but I was
impressed, although like Star Trek TNG, it takes a season to settle
down. Giles has clearly been told to adopt an absurd stereotype of
an English accent, but this clears up in Season Two.

Well, he could hardly have used his own, which James Marster's based
his "Spike" accent on.

You're saying that Anthony Head's natural accent is like Spike's? Not on
any occasion I've heard him being interviewed.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by John Dean

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Well, he could hardly have used his own, which James Marster's based
his "Spike" accent on.

You're saying that Anthony Head's natural accent is like Spike's? Not
on any occasion I've heard him being interviewed.

What I'm saying is that James Marsters [how did that apostrophe get in
there?] has claimed that his "Spike" accent is largely based on
Anthony Stuart Head's real accent.
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by John Dean

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Well, he could hardly have used his own, which James Marster's based
his "Spike" accent on.

You're saying that Anthony Head's natural accent is like Spike's? Not
on any occasion I've heard him being interviewed.

What I'm saying is that James Marsters [how did that apostrophe get in
there?] has claimed that his "Spike" accent is largely based on
Anthony Stuart Head's real accent.

"Stewart", I believe. Though he doesn't seem to use the middle name much
any more and, indeed, seems to prefer "Tony" to "Anthony".
Have you ever heard Tony using his own accent?

[Sara Lorimer]

Post by John Dean

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
What I'm saying is that James Marsters [how did that apostrophe get in
there?] has claimed that his "Spike" accent is largely based on
Anthony Stuart Head's real accent.

"Stewart", I believe. Though he doesn't seem to use the middle name much
any more and, indeed, seems to prefer "Tony" to "Anthony".

I wonder if it's a US / UK thing. Three names for American shows (union
rules?), two names for English ones.

[the Omrud]

Post by Sara Lorimer

Post by John Dean

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
What I'm saying is that James Marsters [how did that apostrophe get in
there?] has claimed that his "Spike" accent is largely based on
Anthony Stuart Head's real accent.

"Stewart", I believe. Though he doesn't seem to use the middle name much
any more and, indeed, seems to prefer "Tony" to "Anthony".

I wonder if it's a US / UK thing. Three names for American shows (union
rules?), two names for English ones.

You do all know that he's the brother of Murray Head?

[Richard Maurer]

Re _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_:

David the Ormud wrote:
Giles has clearly been told to adopt an
absurd stereotype of an English accent,
but this clears up in Season Two.


Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
Well, he could hardly have used his own,
which James Marster's based his "Spike" accent on.


John Dean wrote:
You're saying that Anthony Head's natural accent
is like Spike's? Not on any occasion I've heard him
being interviewed.



This is interesting to this one who lacks experience
seeing English Bad Boys in their natural habitat.
When the plot calls for Giles to revert to the bad boy
of his youth, he adopts gestures that look very much
like Spike's. Was Marsters also copying Head's natural gestures,
or was Head copying Marsters? Or were they both copying
some other actor, or some stereotype?
It may have been incidental the first time,
but I believe that the director eventually asked for it
(I say this just from watching the show).
Were we to think that Bad Boy physical behavior
has remained the same for the last two hundred years,
or was Spike supposed to have changed with the times,
or was this one of those half-baked items that we
have to learn to ignore while waiting for the good stuff?

-- ---------------------------------------------
Richard Maurer To reply, remove half
Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subthread of Origin of "Fire bad!"

[Richard Maurer]

Evan Kirshenbaum wrote about "Fire bad":
I had thought that it came from the
_Buffy the Vampire Slayer_ episode
"Graduation Day, Part 2" (May, 1999):

Buffy tiredly: "I haven't processed everything yet.
(with a small laugh) My brain isn't
really functioning on the higher levels.
(takes a deep breath) It's pretty much:
fire bad; tree pretty."


Others have mentioned Frankenstein and Saturday Night Live
skits, but the Buffy lines made me think about
_Flowers for Algernon_. I still do, though I can't find
Charly's early diaries now.

-- ---------------------------------------------
Richard Maurer To reply, remove half
Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

[Martin Ambuhl]

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

The first data point I can offer is Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Buffy syas
"Fire bad, tree pretty" in "Graduation Day (Part 2)", when it meant the
convey the basic level at which she judges the world. The first part,
"Fire Bad!" is reprised in "Beer Bad."

[Wordsmith]

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?
randy

Oh, like "Play it again, Sam"? I'd imagine "Fire bad!" would be
exclaimed by anyone living in a region where the avarage daily temp is
ninety degrees.


W : )

[Brian Wickham]

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

Actually, Cary Grant does say, "Julie, Julie, Julie." while delirious
in the 1939 movie "In Name Only".

Brian Wickham

[R H Draney]

Post by Brian Wickham

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

Actually, Cary Grant does say, "Julie, Julie, Julie." while delirious
in the 1939 movie "In Name Only".

Ah, so *that's* where the Bobby Sherman song came from!...r

[Donna Richoux]

Or

Post by Brian Wickham

Post by Randy Walld
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

Actually, Cary Grant does say, "Julie, Julie, Julie." while delirious
in the 1939 movie "In Name Only".

That's a nice theory, but I hope you'll pardon me for being somewhat
skeptical. There is at least a character named "Julie" in the movie. No
remark in IMDb under trivia or quotes. Have you actually heard the line
yourself?

[Brian Wickham]

Post by Donna Richoux
Or

Post by Brian Wickham

Post by Randy Walld
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

Actually, Cary Grant does say, "Julie, Julie, Julie." while delirious
in the 1939 movie "In Name Only".

That's a nice theory, but I hope you'll pardon me for being somewhat
skeptical. There is at least a character named "Julie" in the movie. No
remark in IMDb under trivia or quotes. Have you actually heard the line
yourself?

Yes I have heard the line myself. When I did, it jumped out at me
because I was already aware that Cary Grant was on record as saying he
never said, "Judy, Judy, Judy,"

Near the end of the movie, Grant is in a bed, after an auto accident I
believe. Frances Farmer is by his side in her continuing attempt to
portray herself as the dutiful wife. She is prodding Grant to
acknowledge her but in his delirious state he keeps asking for Julie,
his real love. At this point he does utter the line, "Julie, Julie,
Julie."

Too bad. TCM played it last week but I didn't watch it. Soap operas
are not my thing!

Brian Wickham

[Brian Wickham]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:02:04 GMT, Brian Wickham

Post by Brian Wickham
Near the end of the movie, Grant is in a bed, after an auto accident I
believe. Frances Farmer is by his side in her continuing attempt to
portray herself as the dutiful wife. She is prodding Grant to
acknowledge her but in his delirious state he keeps asking for Julie,
his real love. At this point he does utter the line, "Julie, Julie,
Julie."

I wrote that and sent it before checking. It was Kay Francis of
course. Not Frances Farmer.

Brian

[Murray Arnow]

Post by Brian Wickham
Yes I have heard the line myself. When I did, it jumped out at me
because I was already aware that Cary Grant was on record as saying he
never said, "Judy, Judy, Judy,"
Near the end of the movie, Grant is in a bed, after an auto accident I
believe. Frances Farmer is by his side in her continuing attempt to
portray herself as the dutiful wife. She is prodding Grant to
acknowledge her but in his delirious state he keeps asking for Julie,
his real love. At this point he does utter the line, "Julie, Julie,
Julie."
Too bad. TCM played it last week but I didn't watch it. Soap operas
are not my thing!

They aren't my thing, either, but what does that have to do with the motion
picture?

[Brian Wickham]

Post by Murray Arnow

Post by Brian Wickham
Too bad. TCM played it last week but I didn't watch it. Soap operas
are not my thing!

They aren't my thing, either, but what does that have to do with the motion
picture?

That picture is what was called a "women's picture" which by extension
these days are called soap operas even though they are not serials
sponsored by soap companies.

"Soap Opera" has broken loose from the radio/TV meaning, as in "Her
life is a soap opera." Could that mean it's lived in chapters and
sponsored by a soap company? Probably not. It's more like a life
with one emotional crisis after another.

In any event, if someone says, "Soap operas are not my thing." would
you not then logically conclude that they may not be interested in
pictures such as "In Name Only", "An Affair To Remember" or "Steel
Magnolias"?

Brian

[John Dean]

Post by Brian Wickham

Post by Murray Arnow

Post by Brian Wickham
Too bad. TCM played it last week but I didn't watch it. Soap operas
are not my thing!

They aren't my thing, either, but what does that have to do with the
motion picture?

That picture is what was called a "women's picture" which by extension
these days are called soap operas even though they are not serials
sponsored by soap companies.
"Soap Opera" has broken loose from the radio/TV meaning, as in "Her
life is a soap opera." Could that mean it's lived in chapters and
sponsored by a soap company? Probably not. It's more like a life
with one emotional crisis after another.
In any event, if someone says, "Soap operas are not my thing." would
you not then logically conclude that they may not be interested in
pictures such as "In Name Only", "An Affair To Remember" or "Steel
Magnolias"?

Chick flicks and soaps are different creatures. The latter seek a male
audience as well as a female.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

I've never heard of either.

Who says them, and what are they supposed to mean?

[Donna Richoux]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Randy Walld
Where did the line "Fire bad!" originate? Did someone, presumably a
fictional character, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, actually say this? Or
is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are widely
assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

I've never heard of either.
Who says them, and what are they supposed to mean?

Well, I'm not exactly in a position to know the cutting edge of US
slang, but, putting together what I've heard with what people have said
here, I think people say "Fire bad, tree pretty" in echo of TV character
Buffy (who was echoing interpretations of Frankenstein's monster), and
they use it to mean something like "To do away with elaborate
discussions, let's reduce this to the simple, primitive grunt of 'right'
and 'wrong'."

As an example, I find a discussion of software in a Usenet group
followed by this contribution:

Newsgroups: alt.cellular.cingular
From: DecaturTxCowboy <***@boogie_boggie.blog>
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:34:13 GMT

Post by Steve Hayes
"Data Access CSD"

Fire bad, CDS bad....EDGE good.

Personally, I think it reads better with another comma: "Fire, bad." But
those who utter primitive grunts can't be expected to punctuate.

"Judy" etc is meaningless, it's just a thing people say when they think
they are imitating Cary Grant.

[Randy Walld]

Thanks, all, for the replies. So it seems 'fire bad' was never used in
a Frankenstein movie (although not having seen all of them I can't be
certain!), but was definitely used in an SNL sketch in 1987.

[Donna Richoux]

Post by Randy Walld
Thanks, all, for the replies. So it seems 'fire bad' was never used in
a Frankenstein movie (although not having seen all of them I can't be
certain!), but was definitely used in an SNL sketch in 1987.

If that was "definitely" proven in the posts so far, I missed it, but
the "Saturday Night Live" fan sites confirm that it was so used. No one
seems to know the date of performance, but this song (implying it was a
fixed catch-phrase) was posted at various locations:

[BEGIN QUOTE]

From: Doug Krause <snl-***@lido.com>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.snl,rec.arts.tv,alt.answers,rec.answers,news.answers
Subject: Saturday Night Live FAQ: Song Lyrics
Date: 21 Aug 1997

Subject: Recurring Characters Song

Recurring Characters Song
date performed unknown

Performers:
Cajun Man - Adam Sandler
Frankenstein - Phil Hartman
Frans - Kevin Nealon
Hollywood Min. - David Spade
Jan Brady - Melanie Hutsell
Name Guy (Rich)- Rob Schneider
Pat Riley - Julia Sweeney
Queen Shanequa - Ellen Cleghorn
Stuart Smalley - Al Franken
Super Fans - Chris Farley & ?
Wayne Campbell - Mike Myers

Queen Shanequa:
We can't be standing back child
We gotta get up our spirits and stand.

Pat:
So persons of all colors and sexes, inside we're all the same.

Super Fans:
We can't keep relying of Coach Ditka, he's just one man my friend.

?:
Let's stay calm, we will not burn, and let the fighting end.

All:
Make tomorrow's future a better day
Let's increase the peace and we'll all be glad
We're making a choice, to heal the wounds.
We're in this together:
Frankenstein: Fire, BAD!

Stuart Smalley: We musn't be rage-a-holics, we must find our inner
child.
Frankenstein: Fin our inna chid!

Jan Brady:
I've got three brothers and two sisters
and we never get that wild.

Cajun Man:
Compassion, communication, we must fight descrimination.

Frans: Hear us now and believe us later
Wayne: We're in a most heinous spot
Frans: I could very easily set fire, to your puny licking store
Wayne: So lets settle this with violence - NOT!

All:
Make tomorrow's future a better day
We are our brothers and sisters and we'll all be hap
Let's increase the peace, can't we all get along?
We're making a choice:
Frankenstein: Fire, BAD!

?: We must end this racial split.
Hollywood Minute: It's called love - Look into it.

Rich:
Rodney King, the King-meister, King Rodney
The Organinator
Peace - Peace-A-Rama!

Make tomorrow's future a better day
Can we not be mad.
Like our characters have a reoccuring theme
Lets go hand in hand.

Frankenstein: Fire, BAD!
All: Fire, BAD!
Frankenstein: Fire, BAD!
All: Fire, BAD!
Frankenstein: Fire, BAD!
All: Fire, BAD!

Cajun Man: You descrimination
Jan Brady: Brotherhood, brotherhood, brotherhood.
Super Fans: The Bears!

(transcribed by Michelle Wetherholt)

[END QUOTE]

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Donna Richoux

Post by Randy Walld
Thanks, all, for the replies. So it seems 'fire bad' was never used in
a Frankenstein movie (although not having seen all of them I can't be
certain!), but was definitely used in an SNL sketch in 1987.

If that was "definitely" proven in the posts so far, I missed it, but
the "Saturday Night Live" fan sites confirm that it was so used. No one
seems to know the date of performance,

Brian (Default User) posted a link to

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/87/87hspeaking.phtml

which is a transcript of a skit entitled "Succinctly Speaking", in
which Tarzan, Tonto, and Frankenstein are on a talk show discussing
fire (Tarzan and Tonto are in favor, while Frankenstein is against),
bread, and the INF treaty. It was on episode 8 of season 13, and
aired 12/19/87.
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Donna Richoux

Post by Randy Walld
Thanks, all, for the replies. So it seems 'fire bad' was never used in
a Frankenstein movie (although not having seen all of them I can't be
certain!), but was definitely used in an SNL sketch in 1987.

If that was "definitely" proven in the posts so far, I missed it, but
the "Saturday Night Live" fan sites confirm that it was so used. No one
seems to know the date of performance,

Brian (Default User) posted a link to
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/87/87hspeaking.phtml
which is a transcript of a skit entitled "Succinctly Speaking", in
which Tarzan, Tonto, and Frankenstein are on a talk show discussing
fire (Tarzan and Tonto are in favor, while Frankenstein is against),
bread, and the INF treaty. It was on episode 8 of season 13, and
aired 12/19/87.

Thanks. Sorry I missed the reference.

[Donna Richoux]

Post by Donna Richoux

Post by Randy Walld
Thanks, all, for the replies. So it seems 'fire bad' was never used in
a Frankenstein movie (although not having seen all of them I can't be
certain!), but was definitely used in an SNL sketch in 1987.

If that was "definitely" proven in the posts so far, I missed it, but
the "Saturday Night Live" fan sites confirm that it was so used. No one
seems to know the date of performance, but this song (implying it was a
[BEGIN QUOTE]
Newsgroups: alt.tv.snl,rec.arts.tv,alt.answers,rec.answers,news.answers
Subject: Saturday Night Live FAQ: Song Lyrics
Date: 21 Aug 1997
Subject: Recurring Characters Song
Recurring Characters Song
date performed unknown
Cajun Man - Adam Sandler
Frankenstein - Phil Hartman

[snip]

Looking one last time to see if anyone had a date for that, I came
across this Wikipedia entry; no single date, but it sums up the point:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Tarzan, Tonto, and Frankenstein's Monster were a
trio of characters on the American sketch comedy
show Saturday Night Live. Kevin Nealon portrayed
Tarzan, Jon Lovitz portrayed Tonto, and Phil Hartman
portrayed Frankenstein's Monster. The premise
usually involved the three characters singing or
performing some sort of holiday greeting in the
pidgin English style previous portrayals of the
characters had made famous (for example, the
Christmas carol "Joy to the World" was rendered as
"Joy to world/Lord is come/Earth receive king").
Typically, Frankenstein would become distressed and
shout, "Fire bad!' at some point during the sketch.
These sketches were usually very short (usually just
the length of a few verses of the song) and
typically took place in front of the band, with no
set or props.

I also find that Phil Hartman was in SNL 1986-1994.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Randy Walld
Or is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are
widely assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

I'm pretty sure Ryan O'Neal says it in _What's Up Doc?_
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Randy Walld
Or is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are
widely assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

I'm pretty sure Ryan O'Neal says it in _What's Up Doc?_

And Michael Caine says "Not many people know that" in, and only in,
"Educating Rita".
Didn't Cary Grant make a French film called "La Semaine" in which he
said "Jeudi, jeudi, jeudi."?

[the Omrud]

Post by John Dean

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Randy Walld
Or is this one of those things like "Judy, Judy, Judy" that are
widely assumed to have been said but nobody actually said them?

I'm pretty sure Ryan O'Neal says it in _What's Up Doc?_

And Michael Caine says "Not many people know that" in, and only in,
"Educating Rita".
Didn't Cary Grant make a French film called "La Semaine" in which he
said "Jeudi, jeudi, jeudi."?

I saw "Asterix in Britain" while in France at Christmas. The English
folk spoke good French with an outrageous English accent, and
occasionally scattered "Je dis" throughout their sentences.

je dis, je dis, je dis

[Father Ignatius]

Post by the Omrud
I saw "Asterix in Britain" while in France at Christmas. The English
folk spoke good French with an outrageous English accent, and
occasionally scattered "Je dis" throughout their sentences.
je dis, je dis, je dis

I recall reading in some "BrE for Benighted Foreigners" tract some mention
of the BrE habit of saying, "I say!", and then falling silent. SAfrE
substitutes saying "Listen..." (or Afrikaans "Luister...") and then falling
silent.

[R H Draney]

Post by Father Ignatius
I recall reading in some "BrE for Benighted Foreigners" tract some mention
of the BrE habit of saying, "I say!", and then falling silent. SAfrE
substitutes saying "Listen..." (or Afrikaans "Luister...") and then falling
silent.

Texas equivalent: "I tell you what..."

....r