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[invidious] Fittingly, "invidious" is a relative & synonym of "envy." Both are descendants of "invidia,"
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Ken Blake
2024-09-25 03:45:05 UTC
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Such a reference to Germany is invidious and a distortion of the reality of
the contribution made by German democracy to the Western community since
the end of the war.
https://www.nato.int/acad/conf/future95/rodman.htm

It's interesting the meaning has flip flopped recently.

invidious
adjective
1a: of an unpleasant or objectionable nature : OBNOXIOUS
invidious remarks
1b: of a kind to cause harm or resentment
an invidious comparison
2: tending to cause discontent, animosity, or envy
the invidious task of arbitration
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invidious

Etymological flip flop:

Fittingly, "invidious" is a relative of "envy." Both are descendants of
"invidia," the Latin word for "envy," which in turn comes from invidere,
meaning "to look askance at or "to envy." ("Invidious" descends from
"invidia" by way of the Latin adjective invidiosus, meaning "envious,
whereas "envy" comes to English via the Anglo-French noun envie.) These
days, however, "invidious" is rarely used as a synonym for "envious." The
preferred uses are primarily pejorative, describing things that are
unpleasant (such as "invidious choices" and "invidious tasks") or worthy of
scorn ("invidious remarks" or "invidious comparisons").
Ross Clark
2024-09-25 09:59:21 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Such a reference to Germany is invidious and a distortion of the reality of
the contribution made by German democracy to the Western community since
the end of the war.
https://www.nato.int/acad/conf/future95/rodman.htm
It's interesting the meaning has flip flopped recently.
invidious
adjective
1a: of an unpleasant or objectionable nature : OBNOXIOUS
invidious remarks
1b: of a kind to cause harm or resentment
an invidious comparison
2: tending to cause discontent, animosity, or envy
the invidious task of arbitration
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invidious
Fittingly, "invidious" is a relative of "envy." Both are descendants of
"invidia," the Latin word for "envy," which in turn comes from invidere,
meaning "to look askance at or "to envy." ("Invidious" descends from
"invidia" by way of the Latin adjective invidiosus, meaning "envious,
whereas "envy" comes to English via the Anglo-French noun envie.) These
days, however, "invidious" is rarely used as a synonym for "envious." The
preferred uses are primarily pejorative, describing things that are
unpleasant (such as "invidious choices" and "invidious tasks") or worthy of
scorn ("invidious remarks" or "invidious comparisons").
I see interesting changes here, but I don't know about flip-flop.

FWIW, here are OED's senses in chronological order:

1. Of a charge, complaint, report, etc.: Tending or fitted to excite
odium, unpopularity, or ill feeling against someone. Now rare.

2a. Of an action, duty, topic, etc.: Entailing odium or ill will upon
the person performing, discharging, discussing, etc.; giving offence to
others.

2b. Of a comparison or distinction: Offensively discriminating.

3. Of a thing: Fitted to excite ill feeling or envy against the possessor.

4. That looks with an evil eye; envious, grudging, jealous. Now rare.

5. † Viewed with ill will or dislike; odious to a person. Obsolete. rare.

I find it difficult to distinguish these, or to see an obvious semantic
progression. They all first occur at about the same period (late
17th-early 18th century).

I think I need to study the OED quotations, but haven't got time now.

BUt just remember: envy is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, so I don't
think this word has ever had anything but negative connotations.

PS: I never use this word myself -- perhaps because I'm not very sure of
its meaning.
HenHanna
2024-09-25 20:15:47 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Such a reference to Germany is invidious and a distortion of the reality of
the contribution made by German democracy to the Western community since
the end of the war.
https://www.nato.int/acad/conf/future95/rodman.htm
It's interesting the meaning has flip flopped recently.
invidious
adjective
1a: of an unpleasant or objectionable nature : OBNOXIOUS
invidious remarks
1b: of a kind to cause harm or resentment
an invidious comparison
2: tending to cause discontent, animosity, or envy
the invidious task of arbitration
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invidious
Fittingly, "invidious" is a relative of "envy." Both are descendants of
"invidia," the Latin word for "envy," which in turn comes from invidere,
meaning "to look askance at or "to envy." ("Invidious" descends from
"invidia" by way of the Latin adjective invidiosus, meaning "envious,
whereas "envy" comes to English via the Anglo-French noun envie.) These
days, however, "invidious" is rarely used as a synonym for "envious." The
preferred uses are primarily pejorative, describing things that are
unpleasant (such as "invidious choices" and "invidious tasks") or worthy of
scorn ("invidious remarks" or "invidious comparisons").
I see interesting changes here, but I don't know about flip-flop.
where do you see the Flip-Flop ???


i wonder... is the company name Nvidia .........



The 1990s: Founding years to IPO

The name NVIDIA is an amalgamation of two terms: invidia,
the Latin word for “envy,” and the acronym NV (short for “next vision”),
which the company used early on to label its files.
Ken Blake
2024-10-02 01:56:28 UTC
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Post by HenHanna
where do you see the Flip-Flop ???
Flip flop is probably the wrong characterization. It changed meanings over
time, even as both are still correct, one is "more correct" than the other.
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