Orange he is still, loser he is not

[Bertietaylor]

Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?

We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.

Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.

Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof

Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

[Hibou]

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I
know I do.

[Hibou]

Post by Hibou

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I
know I do.

And, of course: "O brave New World, / That hath such people in't!"

[bertietaylor]

Post by Hibou

Post by Hibou

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I
know I do.

And, of course: "O brave New World, / That hath such people in't!"

Yes, it's all comics.
Alleycatman trumped Hyaenawoman.

[Anders D. Nygaard]

Post by Hibou

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I
know I do.

Of course we must. But he's still the Orange Liar.

/Anders, Denmark

[Snidely]

Anders D. Nygaard suggested that ...

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I know
I do.

Of course we must. But he's still the Orange Liar.
/Anders, Denmark

And he has Elon's help with that now.

I'm expecting a return to the 19th Century, except with social media.

And this will speed up China's rise to supremacy in science and
engineering.

/dps

[J. J. Lodder]

Post by Snidely
Anders D. Nygaard suggested that ...

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I know
I do.

Of course we must. But he's still the Orange Liar.
/Anders, Denmark

And he has Elon's help with that now.
I'm expecting a return to the 19th Century, except with social media.
And this will speed up China's rise to supremacy in science and
engineering.

Perhaps. As things stand the Chinese have been incapable
of imitating even previous generations of ASML machinery.
They still pay for maintenance of their old ones.

There are opportunities here for Europe as well,

Jan

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by J. J. Lodder
Perhaps. As things stand the Chinese have been incapable
of imitating even previous generations of ASML machinery.
They still pay for maintenance of their old ones.

I looked up the company, but I couldn't find the answer to my question:

What does ASML stand for?

[Aidan Kehoe]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by J. J. Lodder
Perhaps. As things stand the Chinese have been incapable
of imitating even previous generations of ASML machinery.
They still pay for maintenance of their old ones.

What does ASML stand for?

“ASML Holding N.V. (commonly shortened to ASML, originally standing for
Advanced Semiconductor Materials Lithography) is a Dutch multinational
corporation founded in 1984.

[...] The company, originally named ASM Lithography, is named ASML as its
official name and not an abbreviation.[19] It was founded in 1984 as a joint
venture between the Dutch companies ASM and Philips. Nowadays it is a public
company. When the company became independent in 1988, it was decided that
changing the name was not desirable, and ASML became the official company
name.[20]”

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by J. J. Lodder
Perhaps. As things stand the Chinese have been incapable
of imitating even previous generations of ASML machinery.
They still pay for maintenance of their old ones.

What does ASML stand for?

Acronym Finder gives seven answers, but they all look implausible.

[Hibou]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by J. J. Lodder
Perhaps. As things stand the Chinese have been incapable
of imitating even previous generations of ASML machinery.
They still pay for maintenance of their old ones.

What does ASML stand for?

Acronym Finder gives seven answers, but they all look implausible.

It appears originally to have stood for 'Advanced Semiconductor
Materials Lithography', but is now just a company name:

<https://www.asml.com/en/company/about-asml>

I suppose they'd say ASML stands for excellence, or something like that.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Hibou
It appears originally to have stood for 'Advanced Semiconductor
<https://www.asml.com/en/company/about-asml>
I suppose they'd say ASML stands for excellence, or something like that.

We have a similar case in Denmark. Once our railways were run entirely
by the state, so the company was called "Danske StatsBaner" later
shortened to "DSB". Like several other important infrastructures it has
been (partly) sold to private people, so the name is now only "DSB".

[Hibou]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Hibou
It appears originally to have stood for 'Advanced Semiconductor
<https://www.asml.com/en/company/about-asml>
I suppose they'd say ASML stands for excellence, or something like that.

We have a similar case in Denmark. Once our railways were run entirely
by the state, so the company was called "Danske StatsBaner" later
shortened to "DSB". Like several other important infrastructures it has
been (partly) sold to private people, so the name is now only "DSB".

EDF operate in Britain, but avoid calling themselves Électricité de
France, I suppose to avoid any suggestion of Gauloise-fired power
stations or garlicky atoms.

Went round the nuclear power station at Torness a while back (operated
by EDF). Good stuff.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Hibou

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Hibou
It appears originally to have stood for 'Advanced Semiconductor
<https://www.asml.com/en/company/about-asml>
I suppose they'd say ASML stands for excellence, or something like that.

We have a similar case in Denmark. Once our railways were run entirely
by the state, so the company was called "Danske StatsBaner" later
shortened to "DSB". Like several other important infrastructures it has
been (partly) sold to private people, so the name is now only "DSB".

EDF operate in Britain, but avoid calling themselves Électricité de
France, I suppose to avoid any suggestion of Gauloise-fired power
stations or garlicky atoms.

I seem to recall that British Petroleum had a similar idea when they
started calling themselves BP (especially in the USA).

Post by Hibou
Went round the nuclear power station at Torness a while back (operated
by EDF). Good stuff.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Hibou

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Hibou
It appears originally to have stood for 'Advanced
Semiconductor Materials Lithography', but is now just a company
<https://www.asml.com/en/company/about-asml>
I suppose they'd say ASML stands for excellence, or something like that.

We have a similar case in Denmark. Once our railways were run
entirely by the state, so the company was called "Danske
StatsBaner" later shortened to "DSB". Like several other
important infrastructures it has been (partly) sold to private
people, so the name is now only "DSB".

EDF operate in Britain, but avoid calling themselves Électricité de
France, I suppose to avoid any suggestion of Gauloise-fired power
stations or garlicky atoms.

I seem to recall that British Petroleum had a similar idea when they
started calling themselves BP (especially in the USA).

A certain fried-food company renamed itself to KFC in a (failed) attempt
to break the association with "fried".

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I seem to recall that British Petroleum had a similar idea when they
started calling themselves BP (especially in the USA).

A certain fried-food company renamed itself to KFC in a (failed) attempt
to break the association with "fried".

Wasn't that to avoid having to pay royalties to the State of Kentucky?

But I thought we'd discussed that quite recently.

[Adam Funk]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I seem to recall that British Petroleum had a similar idea when they
started calling themselves BP (especially in the USA).

A certain fried-food company renamed itself to KFC in a (failed) attempt
to break the association with "fried".

Wasn't that to avoid having to pay royalties to the State of Kentucky?
But I thought we'd discussed that quite recently.

Tom Snyder (interviewing): "So Alice, is it true you kill chickens on
stage?"

Alice Cooper (deadpan): "Oh no, no no. That's Colonel Sanders. Colonel
sanders kills chickens."

[J. J. Lodder]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by J. J. Lodder
Perhaps. As things stand the Chinese have been incapable
of imitating even previous generations of ASML machinery.
They still pay for maintenance of their old ones.

What does ASML stand for?

Wikipedia is your friend.
===
ASML Holding N.V. (commonly shortened to ASML, originally standing for
Advanced Semiconductor Materials Lithography)
===

In the Netherlands it is not unusual to forget about original meanings,
and to just use the letter combination
as a thing in itself.

It was a spin-off from the Philips Nat-Lab,
that, by some miracle, was overlooked
while the incompetent Philips management
was busy destroying the company.
They now have an absolute monopoly on EUV chip machines.
Your latest iPhone depends on them,

Jan

[Bertietaylor]

Post by Snidely
Anders D. Nygaard suggested that ...

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I know
I do.

Of course we must. But he's still the Orange Liar.
/Anders, Denmark

And he has Elon's help with that now.

The sooner that Elon realises that rockets are for fireworks the better.
Elon and Trump must force Arindam's new physics to create reactionless
motors to replace polluting jet engines and rockets.
Trump must go for the Hydrogen Economy if he wants lasting fame.
For that he needs to creatwe the HTN.

Htnresearch.com gives the details.

Hopefully there is hope for all with the dim possibility of far superior
Arindam's physics leading to new, wonderful technologies.

Post by Snidely
I'm expecting a return to the 19th Century, except with social media.
And this will speed up China's rise to supremacy in science and
engineering.
/dps

[Snidely]

Post by Snidely
Anders D. Nygaard suggested that ...

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I know
I do.

Of course we must. But he's still the Orange Liar.
/Anders, Denmark

And he has Elon's help with that now.

<URL:https://theconversation.com/elon-musks-flood-of-us-election-tweets-may-look-chaotic-my-data-reveals-an-alarming-strategy-243021>

Post by Snidely
I'm expecting a return to the 19th Century, except with social media.
And this will speed up China's rise to supremacy in science and engineering.

And watch for more epidemics with anti-vaxxers lining up to run NIH and
CDC.

/dps

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Snidely

Post by Snidely
And he has Elon's help with that now.

<URL:https://theconversation.com/elon-musks-flood-of-us-election-tweets-may-look-chaotic-my-data-reveals-an-alarming-strategy-243021>

Post by Snidely
I'm expecting a return to the 19th Century, except with social media.
And this will speed up China's rise to supremacy in science and engineering.

And watch for more epidemics with anti-vaxxers lining up to run NIH
and CDC.

From today's news: last night the Australian ambassador to the US went
through his Twitter account and deleted his opinion of Trump. It must
have hurt him to do that, but as an ambassador he had no choice.

Meanwhile, we are likely to see a couple of years of not having an
ambassador from the US. Apparently all US ambassadors are political
appointments, so the present one has to leave. The last time around,
Trump couldn't spare enough time from his golf games to get around to
nominating anyone.

Everyone here, apart from a few billionaires, is in a state of shock.
It's hard to feel sorry for the Americans -- it's a self-inflicted
wound, after all -- although I do feel sorry for the 50% who saw through
him. Other countries, however, will suffer, because any major shock to
the US economy affects the rest of the world, and Trump's policies of
big tax cuts for the rich and the throttling of international trade
should add up to a major shock.

We shouldn't gripe, though. The major losers are likely to be the
Ukrainians and the Palestinians.

[occam]

Post by Snidely
And he has Elon's help with that now.

Do you see that as a negative? I see it as the ONLY positive of Trump's
election. Elon (the technologist) will bring his business scalpel to a
lot of US government red tape. Assuming, that is, that he survives six
months in Trump's administration.

https://fortune.com/2024/11/06/elon-musk-donald-trump-policy-differences-alignment-immigration-cleantech-tarrifs-manufacturing-guns/

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by occam
Do you see that as a negative? I see it as the ONLY positive of Trump's
election. Elon (the technologist) will bring his business scalpel to a
lot of US government red tape. Assuming, that is, that he survives six
months in Trump's administration.

We had an entrepreneur going into politics. The party he joined, was
very happy to have him because they thought that he could bring
something new. He lasted 3 years serving as minister for about one year
(1.5?). Then he got tired of the political game and went back to his
entrepreneuring.

I suspect that Elon Musk will get tired much sooner. Is he famous for
his patience?

[occam]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by occam
Do you see that as a negative? I see it as the ONLY positive of Trump's
election. Elon (the technologist) will bring his business scalpel to a
lot of US government red tape. Assuming, that is, that he survives six
months in Trump's administration.

We had an entrepreneur going into politics. The party he joined, was
very happy to have him because they thought that he could bring
something new. He lasted 3 years serving as minister for about one year
(1.5?). Then he got tired of the political game and went back to his
entrepreneuring.
I suspect that Elon Musk will get tired much sooner. Is he famous for
his patience?

Your point is? Was your entrepreneur Elon Musk?

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by occam

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
We had an entrepreneur going into politics. The party he joined, was
very happy to have him because they thought that he could bring
something new. He lasted 3 years serving as minister for about one year
(1.5?). Then he got tired of the political game and went back to his
entrepreneuring.
I suspect that Elon Musk will get tired much sooner. Is he famous for
his patience?

Your point is? Was your entrepreneur Elon Musk?

"We" means "Danes". No, it was not Elon Musk. How could he get tired
much sooner than himself?

My point:
Politicians and maybe people think that people from private comapnies
are skilled and fast deciders, so they are supposed to make politics
fast and effective.

It doesn't quite work that way.

[occam]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by occam

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
We had an entrepreneur going into politics. The party he joined, was
very happy to have him because they thought that he could bring
something new. He lasted 3 years serving as minister for about one year
(1.5?). Then he got tired of the political game and went back to his
entrepreneuring.
I suspect that Elon Musk will get tired much sooner. Is he famous for
his patience?

Your point is? Was your entrepreneur Elon Musk?

"We" means "Danes". No, it was not Elon Musk. How could he get tired
much sooner than himself?
Politicians and maybe people think that people from private comapnies
are skilled and fast deciders, so they are supposed to make politics
fast and effective.

And *my* point is: Compare like with like. You're comparing a 3-tier
cake (Elon) with some Danish pastry.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by occam
And *my* point is: Compare like with like. You're comparing a 3-tier
cake (Elon) with some Danish pastry.

Okay. I don't think that the 3-tier cake will last any longer than the
Danish pastry.

[Chris Elvidge]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by occam
And *my* point is: Compare like with like. You're comparing a 3-tier
cake (Elon) with some Danish pastry.

Okay. I don't think that the 3-tier cake will last any longer than the
Danish pastry.

Will either last longer than a lettuce?

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Chris Elvidge

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by occam
And *my* point is: Compare like with like. You're comparing a 3-tier
cake (Elon) with some Danish pastry.

Okay. I don't think that the 3-tier cake will last any longer than the
Danish pastry.

Will either last longer than a lettuce?

Let us see.

[lar3ryca]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Chris Elvidge

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by occam
And *my* point is: Compare like with like. You're comparing a 3-tier
cake (Elon) with some Danish pastry.

Okay. I don't think that the 3-tier cake will last any longer than the
Danish pastry.

Will either last longer than a lettuce?

Let us see.

Lettuce turnip and pea.

[Aidan Kehoe]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Politicians and maybe people think that people from private comapnies
are skilled and fast deciders, so they are supposed to make politics
fast and effective.
It doesn't quite work that way.

The nature of politics in a democratic system is that it is very unusual for
good decisions quickly made to be even relevant. The COVID-19 pandemic was an
exception. The most important part of the job is consensus-building, and that’s
salesmanship and public relations, not decision-making.

[Steve Hayes]

On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:44:51 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Politicians and maybe people think that people from private comapnies
are skilled and fast deciders, so they are supposed to make politics
fast and effective.
It doesn't quite work that way.

It certainly doesn't.

In the 1980s, as a result of the then (and to some extent still)
fashionable Thatcherism, they converted our Electricity Supply
Commission into a "State-owned Enterprise" and put bean-counters at
the top rather than engineers. As a result we've had rolling blackouts
on and off for the last 15 years.

We're in one o the "off" perions now, and rumour has it that they
sacked some the bean counters and brought back some engineers.

I believe the UK did something similar with their water supply, only
being in the same land as Thatcher they went the whole hog, and have
been having similar problems, and for the same reason.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:44:51 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Politicians and maybe people think that people from private comapnies
are skilled and fast deciders, so they are supposed to make politics
fast and effective.
It doesn't quite work that way.

It certainly doesn't.
In the 1980s, as a result of the then (and to some extent still)
fashionable Thatcherism, they converted our Electricity Supply
Commission into a "State-owned Enterprise" and put bean-counters at
the top rather than engineers. As a result we've had rolling blackouts
on and off for the last 15 years.
We're in one o the "off" perions now, and rumour has it that they
sacked some the bean counters and brought back some engineers.
I believe the UK did something similar with their water supply, only
being in the same land as Thatcher they went the whole hog, and have
been having similar problems, and for the same reason.

Mrs Thatcher did something crazy with the trains. When they were
privatized one company was given responsibility for the track,
different ones for running the trains. In practice, therefore, if
anything went wrong there was always someone else to blame.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:44:51 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Politicians and maybe people think that people from private comapnies
are skilled and fast deciders, so they are supposed to make politics
fast and effective.
It doesn't quite work that way.

It certainly doesn't.
In the 1980s, as a result of the then (and to some extent still)
fashionable Thatcherism, they converted our Electricity Supply
Commission into a "State-owned Enterprise" and put bean-counters at
the top rather than engineers. As a result we've had rolling blackouts
on and off for the last 15 years.
We're in one o the "off" perions now, and rumour has it that they
sacked some the bean counters and brought back some engineers.
I believe the UK did something similar with their water supply, only
being in the same land as Thatcher they went the whole hog, and have
been having similar problems, and for the same reason.

Mrs Thatcher did something crazy with the trains. When they were
privatized one company was given responsibility for the track,
different ones for running the trains. In practice, therefore, if
anything went wrong there was always someone else to blame.

They did that here too, though all the companies were "State-owned
Enterprises", on the premiss that people who "knew business" would run
them better. And there too the engineers were ousted by bean counters,
whose knowledge of business meant that they awarded themselves fat
bonuses. And there were bizarre results, like ordering rolling stock
whose dimensions didn't fit -- too high for the platforms, too high
for the overhead wires etc.

Johannesburg municipality did the same thing. They used to have a City
Engineer, who dealt with the infrastructure like roads, drains,
electrical wiring etc. Following the MBA "core business" model
favoured by Thatcher et al, they outsourced stuff, and so people dug
up roads to work on the drains and never put the roads back, and all
these functions were put into silos that never communicated with each
other.

[Janet]

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:44:51 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Politicians and maybe people think that people from private comapnies
are skilled and fast deciders, so they are supposed to make politics
fast and effective.
It doesn't quite work that way.

It certainly doesn't.
In the 1980s, as a result of the then (and to some extent still)
fashionable Thatcherism, they converted our Electricity Supply
Commission into a "State-owned Enterprise" and put bean-counters at
the top rather than engineers. As a result we've had rolling blackouts
on and off for the last 15 years.
We're in one o the "off" perions now, and rumour has it that they
sacked some the bean counters and brought back some engineers.
I believe the UK did something similar with their water supply, only
being in the same land as Thatcher they went the whole hog, and have
been having similar problems, and for the same reason.

You have it back to front.

There are four countries in UK, each manages its own
water supplies in different ways.

Scotland and Northern Ireland's water services are
state-owned enterprises.

England's water supplies were sold off to private
companies with shareholders, run for profit.

Wales water is privately owned, no shareholders, not run
for profit.

None of the above have rolling water "cut offs".



Janet

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Steve Hayes
In the 1980s, as a result of the then (and to some extent still)
fashionable Thatcherism, they converted our Electricity Supply
Commission into a "State-owned Enterprise" and put bean-counters at
the top rather than engineers. As a result we've had rolling
blackouts on and off for the last 15 years.

NSW used to have a State Electricity Commission, which was publicly
owned and which was responsible for the entire electricity generation
and distribution. And, more importantly, the system planning. Then it
was privatised, and now we have several companies doing the generation,
several others owning the "poles and wires", and so on. As a result
there seems to be nobody left with the responsibility for overall
coordination. What happened to the engineers who were checking for
system stability, who were identifying weak spots in the system where a
collapse is likely, who did the forward planning to decide when a new
power station or a new transmission line was needed, and so on? All
gone, as far as I can see. For each individual company, "that's not our
problem".

There is an overall coordinator called something like the National
Energy Market Regulator, but that is run by bean counters and, as far as
I can see, employs no engineers. It supervises the bidding process by
which different companies buy electricity to sell to consumers. (The
price varies wildly in the course of a day.) Those companies don't
generate any electricity. They are purely marketers.

One side-effect of this system is that the companies that sell to
consumers have as their primary function using call centres to convince
people to switch "suppliers". I get several junk calls per day from
them. It's getting to the point where I'm thinking of not having a
phone. I already got rid of our landline for that reason, but now the
attacks on my mobile phone are just as bad.

[Steve Hayes]

On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:16:43 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by occam
Do you see that as a negative? I see it as the ONLY positive of Trump's
election. Elon (the technologist) will bring his business scalpel to a
lot of US government red tape. Assuming, that is, that he survives six
months in Trump's administration.

We had an entrepreneur going into politics. The party he joined, was
very happy to have him because they thought that he could bring
something new. He lasted 3 years serving as minister for about one year
(1.5?). Then he got tired of the political game and went back to his
entrepreneuring.

We had one too, fellow by the name of Cecil Rhodes.

Unlike Trump, however, his cult only started after he died.

<https://khanya.wordpress.com/2016/08/10/the-cult-of-rhodes/>

[Snidely]

Post by occam

Post by Snidely
And he has Elon's help with that now.

Do you see that as a negative? I see it as the ONLY positive of Trump's
election. Elon (the technologist) will bring his business scalpel to a
lot of US government red tape. Assuming, that is, that he survives six
months in Trump's administration.
https://fortune.com/2024/11/06/elon-musk-donald-trump-policy-differences-alignment-immigration-cleantech-tarrifs-manufacturing-guns/

Musk has put X at the disposal of Donnie's "information" campaign, and
contributed to it. See the article about prepping for "election fraud"
and "Dems stole the election". Expect Elon to continue to assist with
the dissemination of fear and divisiveness.

As for DT cutting red tape, I expect it to be mostly in the areas of
environmental protection, consumer protection, anti-monopoly
protection, and health services.

/dps

[Bertietaylor]

Post by occam

Post by Snidely
And he has Elon's help with that now.

Do you see that as a negative? I see it as the ONLY positive of Trump's
election. Elon (the technologist) will bring his business scalpel to a
lot of US government red tape. Assuming, that is, that he survives six
months in Trump's administration.

Trump should have no use for that arch polluter unless it repents and
follows Arindam's scientific approach - HTN, new railgun designs, math
modelling, etc.

Post by occam
https://fortune.com/2024/11/06/elon-musk-donald-trump-policy-differences-alignment-immigration-cleantech-tarrifs-manufacturing-guns/

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Snidely
Anders D. Nygaard suggested that ...

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by Hibou

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I
know I do.

Of course we must. But he's still the Orange Liar.
/Anders, Denmark

And he has Elon's help with that now.

The well known African-American.

Post by Snidely
I'm expecting a return to the 19th Century, except with social media.
And this will speed up China's rise to supremacy in science and engineering.
/dps

[Hibou]

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by Hibou
The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I
know I do.

Of course we must. But he's still the Orange Liar.

The disappointment with Trump is that, however corpulent he may be,
inside he's just a wee man. So are they all, just wee men. (Yes, that
goes for the women too, with Liz Truss in the lead as the wee-est.)

We might hope for leaders who are intelligent and wise and considered,
who exude greatness of spirit. Churchill comes to mind, and Pitt the
Younger..., and Lincoln. It's said that Lincoln was told that his
Secretary of War, Edward Stanton, had called him "a damn fool". His
reaction - so goes the story - was to say, "... then I must be, for he
is nearly always right," and go to see him. Stanton convinced Lincoln
that an order he had signed, transferring some regiments, meddling in
Stanton's affairs, had been a mistake, and so Lincoln rescinded it.

How would Trump react in such circumstances?

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Hibou

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by Hibou
The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I
know I do.

Of course we must. But he's still the Orange Liar.

The disappointment with Trump is that, however corpulent he may be,
inside he's just a wee man. So are they all, just wee men. (Yes, that
goes for the women too, with Liz Truss in the lead as the wee-est.)
We might hope for leaders who are intelligent and wise and considered,
who exude greatness of spirit. Churchill comes to mind, and Pitt the
Younger..., and Lincoln. It's said that Lincoln was told that his
Secretary of War, Edward Stanton, had called him "a damn fool". His
reaction - so goes the story - was to say, "... then I must be, for he
is nearly always right," and go to see him. Stanton convinced Lincoln
that an order he had signed, transferring some regiments, meddling in
Stanton's affairs, had been a mistake, and so Lincoln rescinded it.
How would Trump react in such circumstances?

He would fire Stanton.

[lar3ryca]

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by Hibou

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I
know I do.

I respect them as much as I respect any other person who aids an abets a
lying, racist, misogynistic convicted felon who engineered an insurrection.

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
Of course we must. But he's still the Orange Liar.
/Anders, Denmark

[Hibou]

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Hibou
The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I
know I do.

I respect them as much as I respect any other person who aids an abets a
lying, racist, misogynistic convicted felon who engineered an insurrection.

Well, quite. That's another, less British way of putting it.

[Bertietaylor]

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by Hibou

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

The American people have spoken. We must respect what they've said. I
know I do.

I respect them as much as I respect any other person who aids an abets a
lying, racist, misogynistic convicted felon who engineered an
insurrection.

Who also being old and fat and possessing the morality of alley cats got
aided and abetted and voted for by more than 70 million sound US
citizens.
Wonder how many votes someone like Arindam would have got.
Alas that will never be known.
What can be safely predicted is unless they create major calamities the
Dems will be out of power for the next 12 years.
One hopes that they may change their whiny tunes and instead follow
Arindam's physics with its glorious ensuing technologies.
Unless all throw out e=mcc they have no hope. The Chinese will follow
Arindam's physics and make great stuff.

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
Of course we must. But he's still the Orange Liar.
/Anders, Denmark

[occam]

On 06/11/2024 19:45, Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
<Arindam nonsense deleted>

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
Of course we must. But he's still the Orange Liar.

You're forgetting that he is also a convicted felon, a functionally
illiterate buffoon, a pussy grabber, a Putin sympathiser, and an all
round cunt. That he is to become president of the USA does not detract
from these facts.

(But don't tell that to the cunt Arindam. It will only confuse him.)

[Bertietaylor]

Arindam has no use for useless abusive fools. He has suffered them long
enough. We his celestial cyberdogs pay them attention for our amusement.

Woof-woof, what fun, the best champion the godless pretentious robots
could find was soundly thrashed by an old, fat, grating, egotistical,
narcissistic, convicted felon with the morals of an alley cat.

Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof

Bertietaylor

[occam]

On 07/11/2024 13:57, The schizo (half-nutcase-half-dog) wrote:

<nothing of any worth>

Amen

[Bertietaylor]

What bites thy arse, dumbstruck dumbfuck,
Totally out of luck?
Ah, El Presidente Trumpo is back in power
Coating thee in flour.

Get fried, asshole.

Woof-woof

Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs trying their hands in verse)

[bertietaylor]

Post by Bertietaylor
Arindam has no use for useless abusive fools. He has suffered them long
enough. We his celestial cyberdogs pay them attention for our amusement.
Woof-woof, what fun, the best champion the godless pretentious robots
could find was soundly thrashed by an old, fat, grating, egotistical,
narcissistic, convicted felon with the morals of an alley cat.

And with all that, by far the greatest USAn ever, for his indomitable
courage and tenacity leading him to victory against extraordinary odds
involving assassins, court cases, vote rigging, pandemic creation, Deep
State hostility, abuse and slander, allegations about being a Russian
agent, tremendous scrutiny, etc.

The pullulating posh parasites (physicists, professors, plutocrats,
politicians, pimps, presstitutes and prostitutes) now are dumbfucks,
dumbstruck.

Too big to rig, this time. Not all the coast-to-coast wide backside of
certain media personalities could influence the voters.

Well, one hopes that Trump will get along very well with Putin, Xi and
Modi to make a far better world.

Post by Bertietaylor
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor

[Phil]

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

He's got electrolytes. He's got what plants crave.

[Ross Clark]

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

So those dog-whistles really worked.

[Bertietaylor]

Post by Ross Clark

Post by Bertietaylor
Will the great-great pundits here still refer to His Supreme Bigliness
the Most Blessed President Mr Donald Trump Sir as the Orange Loser?
We doggies in the celestial cyberspace are keen to know.
Delight here is bigly indeed in anticipation of Trumpisms for the next 4
years. May age not dull the great man's wit.
Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof
Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

So those dog-whistles really worked.

Yep, high frequency stuff.