it had been belonged

[Marius Hancu]

Hello:

Is this
"it had been belonged"
instead of
"it had belonged"
still in use?

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The national and domestic history of England: Part 6
No cover image
William Hickman Smith Aubrey - 1870 - Snippet view

... alterations as particular articles had been given away or
otherwise disposed of; much of the furniture also has its history; as,
of whom it was bought, or to whom it had been belonged.
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Thanks.
Marius Hancu

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 04:02:33 -0700 (PDT), Marius Hancu

Post by Marius Hancu
Is this
"it had been belonged"
instead of
"it had belonged"
still in use?

It's not in use by me or anyone I know.

I would say that it is ungrammatical and wrong.

Others agree:

http://www.eslcafe.com/grammar/using_passive_voice02.html

Using Passive Voice #2:
Can all verbs be made passive?
....
....
Here are a few examples of other intransitive verbs.
They cannot be used in passive:

impossible:
*is rained, *are happened,
*was went, *were listened,
*has been lived, *have been stayed,
--> *had been belonged, *can be slept,
*to be arisen, *to have been slept

Googling will find examples of "had been belonged" being decried as an
error.

Post by Marius Hancu
-----
The national and domestic history of England: Part 6
No cover image
William Hickman Smith Aubrey - 1870 - Snippet view
... alterations as particular articles had been given away or
otherwise disposed of; much of the furniture also has its history; as,
of whom it was bought, or to whom it had been belonged.
----
---
Thanks.
Marius Hancu

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 04:02:33 -0700 (PDT), Marius Hancu

Post by Marius Hancu
Is this
"it had been belonged"
instead of
"it had belonged"
still in use?

There are various online discussions such as:
http://nerdfighters.ning.com/forum/topics/grammarspelling-errors-in-the?page=1&commentId=1833893%3AComment%3A2630043&x=1#1833893Comment2630043
or
http://tinyurl.com/2uapzsd

Grammar/Spelling errors in the Twilight Saga

My friend and I have made it our mission (last night) to find all of
the errors in the Twilight series. Here's a couple from New Moon
that can't be excused no matter what a Twitard says.
....

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/twilight-saga/the-long-list-of-grammar-errors-throughout-the-twilight-saga/t.59817593/
or
http://tinyurl.com/382x2hu

The LONG List of Grammar errors throughout the twilight saga

Start posting. We'll have 300 pages of errors in no time.
....
Twilight

"It had been belonged to me since I was born."

'Nuff said.

[Marius Hancu]

Post by Marius Hancu
Is this
"it had been belonged"
instead of
"it had belonged"
still in use?

There are various online discussions such as:http://nerdfighters.ning.com/forum/topics/grammarspelling-errors-in-t...
orhttp://tinyurl.com/2uapzsd
Grammar/Spelling errors in the Twilight Saga
My friend and I have made it our mission (last night) to find all of
the errors in the Twilight series. Here's a couple from New Moon
that can't be excused no matter what a Twitard says.
....
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/twilight-saga/the-long-list-of-gramma...
orhttp://tinyurl.com/382x2hu
The LONG List of Grammar errors throughout the twilight saga
Start posting. We'll have 300 pages of errors in no time.
....
Twilight
"It had been belonged to me since I was born."
'Nuff said.

Ah, great link:-)
Need to go through it first.

Thank you.
Marius Hancu

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 05:20:32 -0700 (PDT), Marius Hancu

Post by Marius Hancu

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/twilight-saga/the-long-list-of-gramma...
or
http://tinyurl.com/382x2hu
The LONG List of Grammar errors throughout the twilight saga
Start posting. We'll have 300 pages of errors in no time.
....
Twilight
"It had been belonged to me since I was born."
'Nuff said.

Ah, great link:-)
Need to go through it first.

Comments on the second and third pages of that thread are:

So many awkward sentences so little time O:


I don't want to even read the book again to find all the errors! The
book was traumatizing to read the first time because I stopped every
other page to go, "what the hell did she just say?" due to the
random awkward, choppy, or confusing sentences she threw in.

And the fourth page:

Worst Author in the history of human existence.

And the fifth page:

I'm an editor for a living and it's natural for me to focus on any
mistakes in books as I read. Twilight isn't nearly as good
grammatically as most books; I'm actually surprised it was even
published because most editors toss books like that aside after the
first few errors crop up. I've read much worse, but none of the
authors of those books have been called a genius, except perhaps Dan
Brown.

We're just making a list for fun, much like many Twilight fans read
the books for fun. We're not being uptight about it.

[Donna Richoux]

Post by Marius Hancu
Is this
"it had been belonged"
instead of
"it had belonged"
still in use?
-----
The national and domestic history of England: Part 6
No cover image
William Hickman Smith Aubrey - 1870 - Snippet view
... alterations as particular articles had been given away or
otherwise disposed of; much of the furniture also has its history; as,
of whom it was bought, or to whom it had been belonged.
----

I don't remember noticing that even in old books. It makes me wonder if
"belong" has an obsolete meaning, like "assigned," but I don't think so.

You can only use passive constructions with transitive verbs.
To whom it had been assigned (Someone assigned it)
By whom it had been painted (Someone painted it).

[Marius Hancu]

Post by Donna Richoux

Post by Marius Hancu
Is this
"it had been belonged"
instead of
"it had belonged"
still in use?
-----
The national and domestic history of England: Part 6
No cover image
William Hickman Smith Aubrey - 1870 - Snippet view
... alterations as particular articles had been given away or
otherwise disposed of; much of the furniture also has its history; as,
of whom it was bought, or to whom it had been belonged.
----

I don't remember noticing that even in old books. It makes me wonder if
"belong" has an obsolete meaning, like "assigned," but I don't think so.

It seems to have had such an obsolete meaning, though. Please see in
no other than Samuel Johnson:

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The Modern traveller: being a collection of useful and ... - Page 33
Samuel Johnson - 1776 - Full view

The first house in the village is supposed to have been belonged to
Lazarus ; and near it is shewn the sepulchre, wherein he is faid to
have been raised from the dead.
http://tinyurl.com/2uzpgcn
----

Also:
http://tinyurl.com/39a3bsu
(not all examples there are valid, of course).

Marius Hancu

[Donna Richoux]

Post by Marius Hancu

Post by Donna Richoux

Post by Marius Hancu
Is this
"it had been belonged"
instead of
"it had belonged"
still in use?
-----
The national and domestic history of England: Part 6
No cover image
William Hickman Smith Aubrey - 1870 - Snippet view
... alterations as particular articles had been given away or
otherwise disposed of; much of the furniture also has its history; as,
of whom it was bought, or to whom it had been belonged.
----

I don't remember noticing that even in old books. It makes me wonder if
"belong" has an obsolete meaning, like "assigned," but I don't think so.

It seems to have had such an obsolete meaning, though. Please see in
----
The Modern traveller: being a collection of useful and ... - Page 33
Samuel Johnson - 1776 - Full view
The first house in the village is supposed to have been belonged to
Lazarus ; and near it is shewn the sepulchre, wherein he is faid to
have been raised from the dead.
http://tinyurl.com/2uzpgcn
----

Yes, that matches the conjecture. No error from the original facsimile.

Post by Marius Hancu
http://tinyurl.com/39a3bsu
(not all examples there are valid, of course).

In fact so far I haven't found any more that I can be certain *are*
valid. (I also checked "are belonged" and "were belonged" and found
similar problems.) The most obvious problem is the "Double-Column Fault"
where the material is printed in to columns, and Google Books' search
has found half the phrase in one column and the other half in the
(completely unrelated) other column.

The other problem is complicated 19th c. grammar, like "...then we
discovered that one of your paternal ancestors, to whom this house in
which we now are belonged, left a will ..." "In which we are" forces a
break between "are" and "belonged."

The OED would be sure to list such a sense of "to be belonged" if it
existed. Perhaps someone will check.

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

Post by Donna Richoux
The OED would be sure to list such a sense of "to be belonged" if it
existed. Perhaps someone will check.

I looked earlier and could not find such a sense. A search for
"belonged" did not find anything. None of the uses of "belonged" in the
quotations for "belong" are of the "to be belonged" type.

I've just looked again with the same result.

[Marius Hancu]

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Donna Richoux
The OED would be sure to list such a sense of "to be belonged" if it
existed. Perhaps someone will check.

I looked earlier and could not find such a sense. A search for
"belonged" did not find anything. None of the uses of "belonged" in the
quotations for "belong" are of the "to be belonged" type.
I've just looked again with the same result.

Thanks for the confirmation.
Marius Hancu