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Marco Moock
2024-11-09 13:47:03 UTC
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Hello!

Where is a good source in case I need to find declensions or
conjugations of words, e.g. for different types of time or
genitive/accusative etc.?
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Aidan Kehoe
2024-11-09 13:58:40 UTC
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Post by Marco Moock
Hello!
Where is a good source in case I need to find declensions or
conjugations of words, e.g. for different types of time or
genitive/accusative etc.?
A grammar book for the relevant language. Wiktionary can be some help too. If
you want specific recommendations you’ll need to be more specific about the
language(s) you’re interest in.
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Marco Moock
2024-11-09 16:13:34 UTC
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A grammar book for the relevant language. Wiktionary can be some help
too. If you want specific recommendations you’ll need to be more
specific about the language(s) you’re interest in.
I am looking for an online tool for the English language.
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Peter Moylan
2024-11-09 23:40:59 UTC
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Post by Aidan Kehoe
A grammar book for the relevant language. Wiktionary can be some help
too. If you want specific recommendations you’ll need to be more
specific about the language(s) you’re interest in.
I am looking for an online tool for the English language.
For English nouns the rules are simple. Nominative, accusative and
dative are identical. For the plural, add an "s", although there are
some (not many) irregular plurals.

For genitive, add "'s" in the singular and "s'" in the plural.

For personal pronouns you just have to memorise the inflected forms.
Luckily there aren't many pronouns. For non-personal pronouns like
"everyone", just treat them like nouns.

English adjectives don't inflect for case.

Hundreds of years ago the rules were more like German, but over the
years most of the case endings disappeared. (As they probably will, I
suspect, in German.) As a result, grammarians have largely stopped
talking about grammatical case in English. Even the genitive is now
called the possessive (which I find misleading, because it doesn't
necessarily indicate possession) by most people.

For English verbs, a good starting point is
https://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-english.html
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jerryfriedman
2024-11-10 03:09:25 UTC
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Post by Aidan Kehoe
A grammar book for the relevant language. Wiktionary can be some help
too. If you want specific recommendations you’ll need to be more
specific about the language(s) you’re interest in.
I am looking for an online tool for the English language.
For English nouns the rules are simple. Nominative, accusative and
dative are identical. For the plural, add an "s", although there are
some (not many) irregular plurals.
For genitive, add "'s" in the singular and "s'" in the plural.
..

Except for irregular plurals. And there's a lot of
variation--that is, a lot of people are wrong==concerning
the genitive of nouns ending in sibilant sounds or
letters.

A fine point is that in some phrases, the 's goes on
the last word in the phrase, not the head noun. Someone
else's car, the King of Spain's daughter, a friend of
mine's idea (some will object to that last one, I think).

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Bertel Lund Hansen
2024-11-10 08:25:19 UTC
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A fine point is that in some phrases, the 's goes on
the last word in the phrase, not the head noun. Someone
else's car, the King of Spain's daughter, a friend of
mine's idea (some will object to that last one, I think).
The same in Danish. The phrase can be quite long:

Manden på det andet fortov's frakke
The man on the other pavement's coat.

The Danish genitive is formed with no apostrophe, but in such cases it
is necessary to signal that it's not the pavement that is genitivised.
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Bertel Lund Hansen
2024-11-10 08:22:14 UTC
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Hundreds of years ago the rules were more like German, but over the
years most of the case endings disappeared. (As they probably will, I
suspect, in German.)
German grammar and uppercasing first letter of pronouns are very stable.
I have tried to suggest dropping the uppercase habit, but the response
has been a firm no. There has been only one German who didn't use that
style. That is all.

About grammar there are regularly discussions where the correct use is
the subject. So I see no tendency to change that.

A similarity between Danish and English is that we have gone from
complex grammer to simplified grammar. With a few exceptions (genitive
and adjective inflection) your descioption fits Danish. We even have
only one verb form for all six subject types.
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Marco Moock
2024-11-10 10:41:38 UTC
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although there are some (not many) irregular plurals.
Where is a good place to look up such words?
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Peter Moylan
2024-11-10 11:17:23 UTC
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although there are some (not many) irregular plurals.
Where is a good place to look up such words?
A web search for "irregular English plurals" gives useful results. The
first two sites I found were
https://www.thoughtco.com/irregular-plural-nouns-in-english-1692634
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/parts-of-speech/irregular-plural-nouns/
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