People named after months

[R H Draney]

I have known an April, a June, and an Augustus (went by Gus).
It must be a singular feeling to name a month after yourself.

Don January (golfer)
Julius November (Floyd Patterson's lawyer) -- I love this one, and
I've even used it in a crossword puzzle. Google seems unaware of
it, but I've nailed it to the wall in a Patterson biography at the
local library.
There are plenty of Marches and Mays around. The others are a lot
tougher, although I seem to recall a young lady named "July."

I can't help feeling that was somebody's "cute" way of spelling "Julie"...was
she from California?...

I had a classmate in junior high school named August March...he went by
"Sandy"....r

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I have known an April, a June, and an Augustus (went by Gus).
It must be a singular feeling to name a month after yourself.

My sister's maid-of-honor was named November, and I've met one or two
Mays (and a couple of Meis).
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[grove21]

I have known an April, a June, and an Augustus (went by Gus).
It must be a singular feeling to name a month after yourself.

I have known a May, a couple of Aprils, several Junes (all female) and one
August (male).

And let's not forget Tuesday Weld and Wednesday Addams.

I have yet to meet anyone named something like 1967 or 2001, but it can only
be a matter of time (ouch!).

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Post by grove21
And let's not forget Tuesday Weld and Wednesday Addams.

Checking IMDB, there's also Summer Phoenix, a whole bunch of Autumns
and Springs I've never heard of, Winter Blossom and Winter Hall.
There are nine Sundays, eight Tuesdays, Wednesday Lea Packer, Friday
Macklam, Friday Nyamba, Friday Ngwena, Friday Myers, and Saturday
Rosenberg. No Mondays or Thursdays.
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by grove21
And let's not forget Tuesday Weld and Wednesday Addams.

Checking IMDB, there's also Summer Phoenix, a whole bunch of Autumns
and Springs I've never heard of, Winter Blossom and Winter Hall.
There are nine Sundays, eight Tuesdays, Wednesday Lea Packer, Friday
Macklam, Friday Nyamba, Friday Ngwena, Friday Myers, and Saturday
Rosenberg. No Mondays or Thursdays.

Apologies in advance for impending STS triggers....

Once heard a montage of popular songs mentioning days of the week...the weekends
and the days near them were well represented...in fact, I think Monday was by
far the most popular (appearing twice in the very title of a single song)...the
rarest was Thursday, represented (if I remember correctly) only in a few songs
that listed *all* the days ("Never On Sunday" and some Shirley Temple thing),
CSN's "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" ("will you come see me Thursdays and Saturdays?"),
and Elton John's "Madman Across The Water" ("we'll come again next Thursday
afternoon")....

This probably means something....r

[R H Draney]

I tried collecting song titles once with weekdays, months, etc.
http://www.african.gu.se/maho/songday.html
It's not complete, but Saturday and Sunday, followed by Monday, seem to
be the commonest.

Nice site!...I've been thinking of putting together a disc on the "women's
names" theme and may have a few others to suggest once I've collected them (you
probably haven't heard "Ms Constance" by Mystery Action)...I want to limit it to
songs where the name constitutes the *entire* title....

Also have one for your "triplicate" list...actually, it's quintuplicate: "I Do I
Do I Do I Do I Do", by Abba, which may be the most repetitive title ever devised
(there are duplicated or rhyming elements in many of Abba's titles)...I noticed
that you didn't seem to have many where the repeated element was a multi-word
phrase....

A couple of things you might be interested in adding: songs with the artist's
name in the title (e.g., "Bo Diddly", "Killer Queen", "Big Country") and large
collections of unrelated songs sharing the same title (the record there seems to
be "Hold On"; I have over a dozen of those)....

I'm going to look for the days-of-the-week montage I mentioned earlier and if
it's in presentable condition I'll see about converting it to MP3 and putting it
somewhere accessible....r

[Jouni Filip Maho]

Post by R H Draney

http://www.african.gu.se/maho/songday.html

Nice site!...

Thanks. I haven't added to the lists for a couple of years. At some
point I'll probably to go through some recent charts to pick some additions.

Post by R H Draney
I noticed
that you didn't seem to have many where the repeated element
was a multi-word phrase....

Actually, I don't even remember seeing that many of those. (On some
compilations triplicate-titles like "Quizas Quizas Quizas" occasionally
get abbreviated to simply "Quizas". I suspect that may happen more often
with multi-word repetitive titles.)

Post by R H Draney
"Hold On"; I have over a dozen of those)....

Deep Purple recorded one in 1974. Good song. Brilliant guitar solo.

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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by grove21
And let's not forget Tuesday Weld and Wednesday Addams.

Checking IMDB, there's also Summer Phoenix, a whole bunch of
Autumns and Springs I've never heard of, Winter Blossom and Winter
Hall. There are nine Sundays, eight Tuesdays, Wednesday Lea
Packer, Friday Macklam, Friday Nyamba, Friday Ngwena, Friday
Myers, and Saturday Rosenberg. No Mondays or Thursdays.

Baseball had its Rick Monday.

Sorry if I was unclear. I was only counting given (or assumed first)
names.
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Baseball had its Rick Monday. And G.K. Chesterton gave us The Man
Who Was Thursday.

The sequel he never wrote was to be called "The Man Who Was October".

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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Friday Nyamba, Friday Ngwena

It is common in Ghana (and possibly in adjacent parts of West Africa
too) for people to be named after the day of the week that they were
born. Kofi Annan was born on a Friday, and that is exactly what Kofi
means. The two Fridays that you mention have probably just translated
their names into
English.

I had a distant relative who lived in the 19th Century named Merry
Christmas Oates. You can probably guess her birthday.

[Skitt]

Post by Robert A. Walker

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Friday Nyamba, Friday Ngwena

It is common in Ghana (and possibly in adjacent parts of West Africa
too) for people to be named after the day of the week that they were
born. Kofi Annan was born on a Friday, and that is exactly what Kofi
means. The two Fridays that you mention have probably just
translated
their names into
English.

I had a distant relative who lived in the 19th Century named Merry
Christmas Oates. You can probably guess her birthday.

My daughter was born on Christmas Day (on a Sunday, to boot), but we didn't
name her Christmas. We did name her Mary, though.

<We now return you to the regularly scheduled ...>

[R F]

Post by Skitt
My daughter was born on Christmas Day (on a Sunday, to boot), but we didn't
name her Christmas. We did name her Mary, though.

I thought you were a MINMINM! Was it the wife's idea?

[John Holmes]

Post by Robert A. Walker
I had a distant relative who lived in the 19th Century named Merry
Christmas Oates. You can probably guess her birthday.

We had a judge IIRC 'Christmas Humphries'.
I believe he was a Buddhist, too.

'Humphreys', I think. Didn't he establish a shrine in Shrewsbury?

[Robert Bannister]

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by grove21
And let's not forget Tuesday Weld and Wednesday Addams.

Checking IMDB, there's also Summer Phoenix, a whole bunch of Autumns
and Springs I've never heard of,

I tend to associate names like Summer, Sky, and Autumn with hippie
parents, but the well-known (in her day) actress "Spring Byington" was
born in Colorado in 1893.

The younger bearers of such names would appear to be porn stars.

[Mike Ellwood]

Post by grove21

I have known an April, a June, and an Augustus (went by Gus).
It must be a singular feeling to name a month after yourself.

I have known a May, a couple of Aprils, several Junes (all female) and one
August (male).
And let's not forget Tuesday Weld and Wednesday Addams.

or Man Friday.

Post by grove21
I have yet to meet anyone named something like 1967 or 2001, but it can only
be a matter of time (ouch!).

Wonder if there were any Millenniums? (Well, "Milly" for short would be
ok, at least for a girl).

Anyone ever been called Holiday? (It's not so far from Halliday,
which is a possible English surname).

[R F]

Post by Mike Ellwood
Anyone ever been called Holiday? (It's not so far from Halliday,
which is a possible English surname).

It can occur as a surname, at least, as in Billie Holiday.

[Laura F Spira]

Post by Mike Ellwood
Anyone ever been called Holiday? (It's not so far from Halliday,
which is a possible English surname).

I used to work with a John Holiday.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Mike Ellwood
Anyone ever been called Holiday? (It's not so far from Halliday,
which is a possible English surname).

IMDB lists an actress named Holiday Freeman as playing "Lillian the
Secretay" on the 1996 made-for-TV movie _Soul of the Game_ (UK title:
_Field of Honor_) about Satchel Paige and Josh Gibson.
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Post by Mike Ellwood

Post by grove21

I have known an April, a June, and an Augustus (went by Gus).
It must be a singular feeling to name a month after yourself.

I have known a May, a couple of Aprils, several Junes (all female) and one
August (male).
And let's not forget Tuesday Weld and Wednesday Addams.

or Man Friday.

Post by grove21
I have yet to meet anyone named something like 1967 or 2001, but it can only
be a matter of time (ouch!).

Wonder if there were any Millenniums? (Well, "Milly" for short would be
ok, at least for a girl).
Anyone ever been called Holiday? (It's not so far from Halliday,
which is a possible English surname).

I know a woman whose first name is Season.

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Post by Lea V. Usin
I know a woman whose first name is Season.

INDB lists five "Season"s, of whom the best know (although that
isn't saying very much) is Season Hubley, whose principal claim to
fame may be that she was married for five years to Kurt Russell a
couple of decades ago.. I have a vague recollection that she was
originally named Susan (as was Sigourney Unohoo), but I found no
confirmation at IMDB.

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Post by Robert Lieblich
couple of decades ago.. I have a vague recollection that she was
originally named Susan (as was Sigourney Unohoo), but I found no
confirmation at IMDB.

I did not know that. This isn't simply a case of someone choosing a
stage name, though, as she was Sigourney when she was at Stanford (a
bit before me). Googling,

When a young Susan, already with a flare for the dramatic, read
_The Great Gatsby_ at the age fourteen, she fell in love with one
character's name and from then on wanted to be known as
"Sigourney."

http://www.askmen.com/women/actress_100/125c_sigourney_weaver.html
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
I did not know that. This isn't simply a case of someone choosing a
stage name, though, as she was Sigourney when she was at Stanford (a
bit before me). Googling,
When a young Susan, already with a flare for the dramatic, read
_The Great Gatsby_ at the age fourteen, she fell in love with one
character's name and from then on wanted to be known as
"Sigourney."

As she herself pointed out on David Letterman's show, there's a family history
of this...her father, born Sylvester, was known to business associates as
"Pat"...and her uncle Winstead performed under the name of "Doodles"....r

[AB]

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
When a young Susan, already with a flare for the dramatic, read
_The Great Gatsby_ at the age fourteen, she fell in love with one
character's name and from then on wanted to be known as
"Sigourney."
http://www.askmen.com/women/actress_100/125c_sigourney_weaver.html

What the hell? I don't remember a "Sigourney" in The Great Gatsby.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by AB

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
When a young Susan, already with a flare for the dramatic, read
_The Great Gatsby_ at the age fourteen, she fell in love with one
character's name and from then on wanted to be known as
"Sigourney."
http://www.askmen.com/women/actress_100/125c_sigourney_weaver.html

What the hell? I don't remember a "Sigourney" in The Great Gatsby.

I don't either, but supposedly there's a minor character named
"Sigourney Howard". Let's see if there's an on-line version. Ah

"Why, about an hour." "It was -- simply amazing," she repeated
abstractedly. "But I swore I wouldn't tell it and here I am
tantalizing you." She yawned gracefully in my face: "Please come
and see me... Phone book ... Under the name of Mrs. Sigourney
Howard ... My aunt ..." She was hurrying off as she talked -- her
brown hand waved a jaunty salute as she melted into her party at
the door.

http://sami.is.free.fr/Oeuvres/fitzgerald_the_great_gatsby.html

So not actually a character, but just a mention.
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Post by grove21
And let's not forget Tuesday Weld and Wednesday Addams.

And Sunday Reed.
http://www.heide.com.au/about/index.html

[Eden Smallwood]

I have known an April, a June, and an Augustus (went by Gus).
It must be a singular feeling to name a month after yourself.

I'm not sure whether you understand: you can ask Julius and
Augustus Caesar how it feels-- they renamed what we now call July and
August.

Eden

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Post by Eden Smallwood

I have known an April, a June, and an Augustus (went by Gus).
It must be a singular feeling to name a month after yourself.

I'm not sure whether you understand: you can ask Julius and
Augustus Caesar how it feels-- they renamed what we now call July and
August.

What were the names before? Weren't they newly-made months, dividing the
year by twelve instead of ten?

Nope. It turns out that the original Roman calendar *did* have ten
months, but that was long before the renaming. The ten months were
"Martius", "Aprilis", "Maius", "Junius", "Quintilis", "Sextilis",
"September", "October", "November", and "December". Then there was an
unnamed break. Januarius, Februarius, and (in some years)
Intercalarius were formalized about 700BC. See

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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Nope. It turns out that the original Roman calendar *did* have
ten months, but that was long before the renaming. The ten months
were "Martius", "Aprilis", "Maius", "Junius", "Quintilis",
"Sextilis", "September", "October", "November", and "December".
Then there was an unnamed break. Januarius, Februarius, and (in
some years) Intercalarius were formalized about 700BC. See

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired,

IIRC, the Romans gave up naming children after the fourth, as well.
The later ones were just "number five", "number six", etc.

someone should run a contest to rename the malnumbered "September"
(7th), "October" (8th), "November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any
suggestions?

We could just move the beginning of the year back to March, where it
started.
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Nope. It turns out that the original Roman calendar *did* have ten
months, but that was long before the renaming. The ten months were
"Martius", "Aprilis", "Maius", "Junius", "Quintilis", "Sextilis",
"September", "October", "November", and "December". Then there was an
unnamed break. Januarius, Februarius, and (in some years)
Intercalarius were formalized about 700BC. See

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired, someone should run
a contest to rename the malnumbered "September" (7th), "October" (8th),
"November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any suggestions?

Continue the pattern?...

"September" becomes "Tiber", "October" becomes "Caligule", "November" becomes
"Claude", and "December" becomes "Nero"....

Should make some of those Christmas carols more interesting....r

[t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com]

Post by R H Draney
Continue the pattern?...
"September" becomes "Tiber", "October" becomes "Caligule", "November" becomes
"Claude", and "December" becomes "Nero"....
Should make some of those Christmas carols more interesting....r

But then which is the cruelest month?

[R H Draney]

Post by t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com

Post by R H Draney
Continue the pattern?...
"September" becomes "Tiber", "October" becomes "Caligule", "November" becomes
"Claude", and "December" becomes "Nero"....
Should make some of those Christmas carols more interesting....r

But then which is the cruelest month?

Still April...those other guys are beyond range of being harmful now....r

[Steve Hayes]

Post by t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com

Post by R H Draney
"September" becomes "Tiber", "October" becomes "Caligule", "November" becomes
"Claude", and "December" becomes "Nero"....
Should make some of those Christmas carols more interesting....r

But then which is the cruelest month?

W

[Robert Bannister]

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Nope. It turns out that the original Roman calendar *did* have ten
months, but that was long before the renaming. The ten months were
"Martius", "Aprilis", "Maius", "Junius", "Quintilis", "Sextilis",
"September", "October", "November", and "December". Then there was an
unnamed break. Januarius, Februarius, and (in some years)
Intercalarius were formalized about 700BC. See

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired, someone should run
a contest to rename the malnumbered "September" (7th), "October" (8th),
"November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any suggestions?

Start the year in March again. Well, I'm not sure about the 'again', but
I thought that was the origin of April Fool's Day.

[t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com]

I'll open the bidding with "Tobias".

I'll toss in a "Cuthbert", and for the ladies, "Lucrezia" after the
The little idol of the Vatican'.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/2837/lucretia.html

[R F]

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Nope. It turns out that the original Roman calendar *did* have ten
months, but that was long before the renaming. The ten months were
"Martius", "Aprilis", "Maius", "Junius", "Quintilis", "Sextilis",
"September", "October", "November", and "December". Then there was an
unnamed break. Januarius, Februarius, and (in some years)
Intercalarius were formalized about 700BC. See

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired, someone should run
a contest to rename the malnumbered "September" (7th), "October" (8th),
"November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any suggestions?

September = Summersend
October = Harvestmonth
November = Turkeymonth
December = Yearsend

[R H Draney]

Post by R F

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired, someone should run
a contest to rename the malnumbered "September" (7th), "October" (8th),
"November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any suggestions?

September = Summersend
October = Harvestmonth
November = Turkeymonth
December = Yearsend

Using aspects of my own life or locale:

September = Teeveespring
October = Granniescome
November = Finishwork
December = Leftovervacationmonth

....r

[Robert Bannister]

Post by R F

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
Nope. It turns out that the original Roman calendar *did* have
ten months, but that was long before the renaming. The ten
months were "Martius", "Aprilis", "Maius", "Junius", "Quintilis",
"Sextilis", "September", "October", "November", and "December".
Then there was an unnamed break. Januarius, Februarius, and (in
some years) Intercalarius were formalized about 700BC. See

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired, someone should
run a contest to rename the malnumbered "September" (7th),
"October" (8th), "November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any
suggestions?

September = Summersend

Nthn hemisphere only

Post by R F
October = Harvestmonth

ditto

Post by R F
November = Turkeymonth

USA only

Post by R F
December = Yearsend

That one's OK, although both 'Summersend' and 'Yearsend' look odd - as
though the last element is 'send'.

[Pat Durkin]

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired, someone should run
a contest to rename the malnumbered "September" (7th), "October" (8th),
"November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any suggestions?

November, December, Unidecember, and Duodecember.

I trust your Latin over mine. I was trying for Ondecember and Docember.
( and dropping July and August, of course. The Romans may have considered
Julie and Gus as gods but I don't.)

[Pat Durkin]

Post by Pat Durkin

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired, someone should run
a contest to rename the malnumbered "September" (7th), "October" (8th),
"November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any suggestions?

November, December, Unidecember, and Duodecember.

I trust your Latin over mine. I was trying for Ondecember and Docember.
( and dropping July and August, of course. The Romans may have considered
Julie and Gus as gods but I don't.)

Never trust my Latin. I worked backwards from duodecimal (which is a
word) to Duodecember to Unidecember.

Well, I worked back from dodecahedron, and misspelled it. Should have been
"Dodecember."

[dcw]

Post by Pat Durkin
Well, I worked back from dodecahedron, and misspelled it. Should have been
"Dodecember."

"Dodecahedron" is Greek, not Latin.

David

[Jens Brix Christiansen]

Post by Pat Durkin

Never trust my Latin. I worked backwards from duodecimal (which is a
word) to Duodecember to Unidecember.

Well, I worked back from dodecahedron, and misspelled it. Should have been
"Dodecember."

Latin is all Greek to you, then?

[Pat Durkin]

Post by Jens Brix Christiansen

Post by Pat Durkin

Never trust my Latin. I worked backwards from duodecimal (which is a
word) to Duodecember to Unidecember.

Well, I worked back from dodecahedron, and misspelled it. Should have been
"Dodecember."

Latin is all Greek to you, then?

Too sadly true.

[Chuck Lamprey]

Instead of renaming the months, thought should be given to simply
renumbering them so that the Latin root words line up properly. This means
that the year should begin on March 1st. (March is month #1). September
thru December are now months 7-10 as they should be.

This solution would also match the official year with the astrological year
(or close to it) for those who feel this is desirable.

One might also notice that the year would now end on February 28th, or
29th - thus the "leap day" would be added at the end of the year which seems
esthetically desirable.

Granted. this isnt linguistics, but newsgroup readers have to be ready for
anything.

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Post by Pat Durkin

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired, someone should run
a contest to rename the malnumbered "September" (7th), "October" (8th),
"November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any suggestions?

November, December, Unidecember, and Duodecember.

I trust your Latin over mine. I was trying for Ondecember and Docember.
( and dropping July and August, of course. The Romans may have considered
Julie and Gus as gods but I don't.)

Never trust my Latin. I worked backwards from duodecimal (which is a
word) to Duodecember to Unidecember.
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[John Varela]

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:11:25 UTC, "Raymond S. Wise"

Now that I think about it, there *is* one aspect which might make such a
reform more difficult than that which you are proposing. In your system,
weeks would stay seven days. In some of the proposals which I have seen,
including Asimov's, the leap days would not be counted as part of the
surrounding weeks, so that a Sunday after the leap day(s) might follow 8 or
9 days after the Sunday before the leap day(s). The same thing would happen
to Friday and Saturday. I would think this would make such a reform totally
unacceptable to many Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

While the Napoleonic French were at it inventing the metric system,
didn't they also try a calendar reform that quickly disappeared? I
think they also tried to reform the clock with similar results.

[Robert Bannister]

Post by Chuck Lamprey
Instead of renaming the months, thought should be given to simply
renumbering them so that the Latin root words line up properly. This

means

Post by Chuck Lamprey
that the year should begin on March 1st. (March is month #1). September
thru December are now months 7-10 as they should be.
This solution would also match the official year with the astrological

year

Post by Chuck Lamprey
(or close to it) for those who feel this is desirable.
One might also notice that the year would now end on February 28th, or
29th - thus the "leap day" would be added at the end of the year which

seems

Post by Chuck Lamprey
esthetically desirable.
Granted. this isnt linguistics, but newsgroup readers have to be ready for
anything.
vel3.net...
el3.net...

Post by Pat Durkin

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired, someone should

run

Post by Pat Durkin

a contest to rename the malnumbered "September" (7th), "October"

(8th),

Post by Pat Durkin

"November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any suggestions?

November, December, Unidecember, and Duodecember.

I trust your Latin over mine. I was trying for Ondecember and

Docember.

Post by Pat Durkin
( and dropping July and August, of course. The Romans may have

considered

Post by Pat Durkin
Julie and Gus as gods but I don't.)

Never trust my Latin. I worked backwards from duodecimal (which is a
word) to Duodecember to Unidecember.

If we had the ability to do that, then I'd say forget that reform and go for
something much more practical: Replace the current calendar system by one of
the calendar systems which have been proposed in which, if you know the
date, you can find with some quick mental calculation what day of the week
it is. (You can do that with the present system, but I wouldn't consider it
an easy calculation.) In one system proposed by Isaac Asimov, every year's
calendar was exactly the same, except for certain leap days.
Now that I think about it, there *is* one aspect which might make such a
reform more difficult than that which you are proposing. In your system,
weeks would stay seven days. In some of the proposals which I have seen,
including Asimov's, the leap days would not be counted as part of the
surrounding weeks, so that a Sunday after the leap day(s) might follow 8 or
9 days after the Sunday before the leap day(s). The same thing would happen
to Friday and Saturday. I would think this would make such a reform totally
unacceptable to many Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

I don't know enough about the Jewish religion to comment on how they
would feel, but Muslims use their own calendar, while Christians, with
the exception of the Orthodox Church, seem to have been happy with other
changes to the calendar.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired, someone
should run a contest to rename the malnumbered "September" (7th),
"October" (8th), "November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any
suggestions?

In old Japanese, they are called
September: long month/moon
October: month that has no god
November: month of frost
December: teachers running

And in modern Japanese, they're named just as tomcatpolka
parenthesizes them above...rational and efficient, but less
charming....r

If they were named as parenthesized above, it wouldn't be all that
rational or efficient. But I believe that September is, indeed,
rather "9th month", etc.
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[Mark Browne]

(Not to pick a fight or anything,

Yes, it is.

but note that conventional Japanese order puts
the month before the day)....r

...And the year before the month (as if you didn't know).

[John Holmes]

It seems to me that numbering months is uninspired, someone should
run a contest to rename the malnumbered "September" (7th), "October"
(8th), "November" (9th), and "December" (10th). Any suggestions?

In old Japanese, they are called
September: long month/moon
October: month that has no god
November: month of frost
December: teachers running

I like that last one especially. It would be very appropriate here
(Australia) for the end of the school year. How would you transliterate
the name in Roman letters?

--
Regards
John

[R H Draney]

Yayoi(March), Satsuki(May), Hazuki(August), and Kanna(October)
are used for girls' names. Hayao Miyazaki's animation movie,
_My Neighbor Totoro_ has two sisters as the main characters,
and their names were "Satsuki"(May) and "May".

How many times, apart from cases like George Foreman who named all his sons
"George", have we seen parents giving their children forms of the same name?....

There's the early sixties sitcom "The Real McCoys", where characters "Luke" and
"little Luke" were often mistaken for father and son (they were actually
brothers)...in real life, Phoenix has weather reporter Sean (pronounced /sin/)
McLaughlin, whose brother is Shawn (/SOn/); we've had a lot of chuckles over
that one....r

[R F]

And ISTR that Dear Abby and Ann Landers, identical twins,
were named Pauline Esther and Esther Pauline <whatever>.

<whatever> = Lederer.

The Esther Pauline would explain her nickname "Eppie" (there's an honorary
street name "Ann 'Eppie' Landers Way" in downtown Chicago, right near the
honorary "Paul Harvey Drive").

[Aaron J. Dinkin]

Post by R F

And ISTR that Dear Abby and Ann Landers, identical twins,
were named Pauline Esther and Esther Pauline <whatever>.

<whatever> = Lederer.

The Esther Pauline would explain her nickname "Eppie" (there's an
honorary street name "Ann 'Eppie' Landers Way" in downtown Chicago,
right near the honorary "Paul Harvey Drive").

Funny - I knew one of them was Eppie, but I thought it was the other
one: that is, that "[dear] Eppie" had become "Dear Abby".

-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom

[t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com]

Post by R H Draney
How many times, apart from cases like George Foreman who named all his sons
"George", have we seen parents giving their children forms of the same name?

My great-grandmother-in-law, who had 13 children, named two of her boys
Robert. The family story goes that the elder Robert, who was 20-something
and had moved out of the house at 16, had been forgotten when the younger
Robert was named, and by then it was too late to get the birth certificate
back. This was during the Depression, and with all the young-uns, I heard
they couln't afford to go to town and buy a birthday gift - so on your
birthday you got an envelope with a dollar in it.

[Aaron J. Dinkin]

Post by R H Draney

Yayoi(March), Satsuki(May), Hazuki(August), and Kanna(October)
are used for girls' names. Hayao Miyazaki's animation movie,
_My Neighbor Totoro_ has two sisters as the main characters,
and their names were "Satsuki"(May) and "May".

How many times, apart from cases like George Foreman who named all
his sons "George", have we seen parents giving their children forms
of the same name?....

Lawrence McCutcheon, erstwhile running back for the Los Angeles Rams
(as they were then) insisted that he never be called "Larry." Seems
he had a brother by that name.

I know a family in which the sons are Matthew and Jonathan - this is
more parallel to the Satsuki-and-May case because they're different
names that happen to have the same meaning. ('Gift of God' - both
Hebrew, but the morphemes are in the opposite order, like Dorothy and
Theodore.)

-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom

[Michael West]

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin

Post by R H Draney

Yayoi(March), Satsuki(May), Hazuki(August), and Kanna(October)
are used for girls' names. Hayao Miyazaki's animation movie,
_My Neighbor Totoro_ has two sisters as the main characters,
and their names were "Satsuki"(May) and "May".

How many times, apart from cases like George Foreman who named all
his sons "George", have we seen parents giving their children forms
of the same name?....

Lawrence McCutcheon, erstwhile running back for the Los Angeles Rams
(as they were then) insisted that he never be called "Larry." Seems
he had a brother by that name.

I know a family in which the sons are Matthew and Jonathan - this is
more parallel to the Satsuki-and-May case because they're different
names that happen to have the same meaning. ('Gift of God' - both
Hebrew, but the morphemes are in the opposite order, like Dorothy and
Theodore.)

How about parents who give one child forms of the
same name?

Mozart was baptized Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus
Theophilus Mozart. Theophilus and Amadeus both mean
"beloved of God". It is reported that his father called him
"Amadeii."

[Michael West]

Post by Michael West
Mozart was baptized Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus
Theophilus Mozart. Theophilus and Amadeus both mean
"beloved of God". It is reported that his father called him
"Amadeii."

Which sounds real dumb because I left out the "Amadeus"
before "Mozart."

[dcw]

Post by Michael West
Mozart was baptized Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus
Theophilus Mozart. Theophilus and Amadeus both mean
"beloved of God". It is reported that his father called him
"Amadeii."

I haven't seen that one, but he sometimes used "Amade", with an accent
(acute or grave) on the "e", or "Amadeo".

Come to think of it, I thought I read there was a
"Gottlieb" thrown in there as well, but I don't see it
in the references I'm using.

That as well, but not all at once -- Theophilus/Amade/Amadeo/Gottlieb
are just alternatives.

David

[Raymond S. Wise]

Post by Michael West

On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:21:38 -0400, Robert Lieblich

Post by R H Draney

Yayoi(March), Satsuki(May), Hazuki(August), and Kanna(October)
are used for girls' names. Hayao Miyazaki's animation movie,
_My Neighbor Totoro_ has two sisters as the main characters,
and their names were "Satsuki"(May) and "May".

How many times, apart from cases like George Foreman who named all
his sons "George", have we seen parents giving their children forms
of the same name?....

Lawrence McCutcheon, erstwhile running back for the Los Angeles Rams
(as they were then) insisted that he never be called "Larry." Seems
he had a brother by that name.

I know a family in which the sons are Matthew and Jonathan - this is
more parallel to the Satsuki-and-May case because they're different
names that happen to have the same meaning. ('Gift of God' - both
Hebrew, but the morphemes are in the opposite order, like Dorothy and
Theodore.)

How about parents who give one child forms of the
same name?
Mozart was baptized Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus
Theophilus Mozart. Theophilus and Amadeus both mean
"beloved of God". It is reported that his father called him
"Amadeii."

A Google search turns up at least one person named "Dorothy Theodore,"
although there is no way of telling whether that is her maiden or married
name.

See
http://www.tnonline.com/archives/news/2002/12.23/family.html


--
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA

E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com

[R H Draney]

Post by Raymond S. Wise

Post by Michael West
Mozart was baptized Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus
Theophilus Mozart. Theophilus and Amadeus both mean
"beloved of God". It is reported that his father called him
"Amadeii."

A Google search turns up at least one person named "Dorothy Theodore,"
although there is no way of telling whether that is her maiden or married
name.

I've always wanted to give a fictional character the name "Ishtar
Morgenstern"....r

[Aaron J. Dinkin]

Post by R H Draney
I've always wanted to give a fictional character the name "Ishtar
Morgenstern".

I'm sure there are dozens and dozens of Esther Morgensterns. Is it true
or myth that Esther is the same name as Ishtar?

-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin

Post by R H Draney
I've always wanted to give a fictional character the name "Ishtar
Morgenstern".

I'm sure there are dozens and dozens of Esther Morgensterns. Is it
true or myth that Esther is the same name as Ishtar?

The AHD4 derives it from Persian "sitareh", meaning "star" or Akkadian
"Ishtar". But it's pretty clear that Esther and Mordecai are named
for Ishtar and Marduk. (Esther, of course, is also Hadassah.)
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[Michael West]

Doesn't Johannes also mean "beloved of God"?

I found this on the 'Net. I can't vouch for
it one way or t'other:

John derived from Hebrew Yochanan (God has favoured me with a son).

[Mike Lyle]

Post by Michael West

Doesn't Johannes also mean "beloved of God"?

I found this on the 'Net. I can't vouch for
John derived from Hebrew Yochanan (God has favoured me with a son).

See *Salomé*.

Mike.

[t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com]

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin
I know a family in which the sons are Matthew and Jonathan - this is
more parallel to the Satsuki-and-May case because they're different
names that happen to have the same meaning. ('Gift of God' - both
Hebrew, but the morphemes are in the opposite order, like Dorothy and
Theodore.)

Doesn't Nathaniel also mean 'Gift of God'? I once had an Israeli friend
who pronounced it Nat-tan-i-el.

[Aaron J. Dinkin]

Post by t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin
I know a family in which the sons are Matthew and Jonathan - this is
more parallel to the Satsuki-and-May case because they're different
names that happen to have the same meaning. ('Gift of God' - both
Hebrew, but the morphemes are in the opposite order, like Dorothy and
Theodore.)

Doesn't Nathaniel also mean 'Gift of God'?

Yup - in the same order as "Matthew", but with a different morpheme

Post by t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com
I once had an Israeli friend who pronounced it Nat-tan-i-el.
meaning 'God'.

Modern Hebrew doesn't have a [T] sound.

-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom

[Skitt]

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin

Post by t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com
Doesn't Nathaniel also mean 'Gift of God'?

Yup - in the same order as "Matthew", but with a different morpheme

Post by t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com
I once had an Israeli friend who pronounced it Nat-tan-i-el.
meaning 'God'.

Modern Hebrew doesn't have a [T] sound.

Are there any languages beside English that do?

[Mike Oliver]

Post by Skitt

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin
Modern Hebrew doesn't have a [T] sound.

Are there any languages beside English that do?

Sure. Castillian Spanish, though it might not be "phonemic" or something.
Greek, I believe (though I'm not sure about modern Greek -- I know
they have a [D], though). I'm getting a little bell ringing in
my brain that sounds like "Farsi" but I don't guarantee that one
at all -- but they do have [&], another relatively rare English
sound.

[R F]

Post by Mike Oliver

Post by Skitt

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin
Modern Hebrew doesn't have a [T] sound.

Are there any languages beside English that do?

Sure. Castillian Spanish, though it might not be "phonemic" or something.
Greek, I believe (though I'm not sure about modern Greek -- I know
they have a [D], though).

As does Welsh. Welsh doesn't have [T], does it?

Doesn't Icelandic have both [T] and [D]? Where's that disagreeable
'America' person?

How about Vietnamese?

[Jonathan Jordan]

Post by R F

Post by Mike Oliver

Post by Skitt

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin
Modern Hebrew doesn't have a [T] sound.

Are there any languages beside English that do?

Sure. Castillian Spanish, though it might not be "phonemic" or something.
Greek, I believe (though I'm not sure about modern Greek -- I know
they have a [D], though).

As does Welsh. Welsh doesn't have [T], does it?

It has both. In Welsh spelling <dd> is [D] and <th> is [T].

On the other hand Gaelic (and Irish) may appear to have both, because
they use <th> and <dh>, but in fact <th> is normally [h] and <dh> is
normally either [Q] or [j] depending on the neighbouring vowels, though I
think both can be silent as well.

Jonathan

[R H Draney]

Post by Mike Oliver

Post by Skitt

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin
Modern Hebrew doesn't have a [T] sound.

Are there any languages beside English that do?

Sure. Castillian Spanish, though it might not be "phonemic" or something.
Greek, I believe (though I'm not sure about modern Greek -- I know
they have a [D], though). I'm getting a little bell ringing in
my brain that sounds like "Farsi" but I don't guarantee that one
at all -- but they do have [&], another relatively rare English
sound.

Icelandic practically *thrives* on it....r

[Robert Bannister]

Post by Skitt

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin

Post by t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com
Doesn't Nathaniel also mean 'Gift of God'?

Yup - in the same order as "Matthew", but with a different morpheme

Post by t***@yaNOSPAMhoo.com
I once had an Israeli friend who pronounced it Nat-tan-i-el.
meaning 'God'.

Modern Hebrew doesn't have a [T] sound.

Are there any languages beside English that do?

Spanish, Icelandic and Greek.

[Yusuf B Gursey]

[...]

Post by Robert Bannister

Post by Skitt

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin
Modern Hebrew doesn't have a [T] sound.

Are there any languages beside English that do?

Spanish, Icelandic and Greek.

Plus Albanian, Arabic, Burmese, ...

search in sci.lang for a full discussion.

[Aaron J. Dinkin]

"May" is a fairly common last name, by the way, but I've never known a
May May. Has anyone?

At the Maple Hill Cemetery in Peabody, Mass., is buried a Pearl Pearl.
And I think I've heard of someone named Rose Rose, also.

-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom

[Laura F Spira]

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin

"May" is a fairly common last name, by the way, but I've never known a
May May. Has anyone?

At the Maple Hill Cemetery in Peabody, Mass., is buried a Pearl Pearl.
And I think I've heard of someone named Rose Rose, also.

I have met a Kay who married a Mr.Kaye.

[R F]

Post by Laura F Spira

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin

"May" is a fairly common last name, by the way, but I've never known a
May May. Has anyone?

At the Maple Hill Cemetery in Peabody, Mass., is buried a Pearl Pearl.
And I think I've heard of someone named Rose Rose, also.

I have met a Kay who married a Mr.Kaye.

There's also Sirhan Sirhan, and the fictional Humbert Humbert.

[R H Draney]

Post by Laura F Spira

Post by Aaron J. Dinkin

"May" is a fairly common last name, by the way, but I've never known a
May May. Has anyone?

At the Maple Hill Cemetery in Peabody, Mass., is buried a Pearl Pearl.
And I think I've heard of someone named Rose Rose, also.

I have met a Kay who married a Mr.Kaye.

I had a classmate in high school named Shelly Shelly....

A cow orker named Dennis Mee used to tell of his earlier romance with Mimi
Tcheng, which had to end because they realized what tradition would force her
married name to become....r

[Aaron J. Dinkin]

Post by R H Draney
A cow orker named Dennis Mee used to tell of his earlier romance with
Mimi Tcheng, which had to end because they realized what tradition
would force her married name to become....r

I have a friend Julia Cain who tells me that her aunt Nova did not let
that stop her from marrying into the Cain family, or naming her
daughter Candy.

-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom

[root]

I knew a guy called Mac September.

What was his name?

[Steve Hayes]

Post by root

I knew a guy called Mac September.

What was his name?

86,4 kg.

And, in case you wanted to know,

his hair colour was 1777 mm.

his age was blue.

[Maria Conlon]

Post by Steve Hayes
his age was blue.

I can sympathize with that, sort of. My age makes *me* blue.

Maria Conlon

[Wade Hassler]

I have known an April, a June, and an Augustus (went by Gus).
It must be a singular feeling to name a month after yourself.

Here's to April Mae Bustillos, a name evoking so well her
Filipino/Mexican/Hawaiian/Hopi heritage!