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Until, Till, or ’Til
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hongy...@gmail.com
2021-12-02 14:00:41 UTC
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Today, I stumbled on the interesting explanation here [1] on the comparison of Until, Till, and ’Til:

Until indicates when something will happen, begin, or end.
Till means the same thing as until.
Till is not an abbreviation of until—it’s actually older than until—and it should not be written with an apostrophe.
’Til turns up now and then, but major usage dictionaries and style guides consider it an error, so it’s best to avoid it.

[1] https://www.grammarly.com/blog/until-till-til/

Is the above explanation correct?

Regards,
HZ
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2021-12-02 14:28:20 UTC
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Today, I stumbled on the interesting explanation here [1] on the
Until indicates when something will happen, begin, or end.
Yes
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Till means the same thing as until.
Till is not an abbreviation of until—it’s actually older than
until—and it should not be written with an apostrophe.
Yes
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’Til turns up now and then, but major usage dictionaries and style
guides consider it an error, so it’s best to avoid it.
It's typically used by people who don't realize that "till" is a
perfectly good word.
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[1] https://www.grammarly.com/blog/until-till-til/
In this case OK,but don't take grammarly as authoritative.
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Is the above explanation correct?
Regards,
HZ
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hongy...@gmail.com
2021-12-02 23:54:36 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
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Today, I stumbled on the interesting explanation here [1] on the
Until indicates when something will happen, begin, or end.
Yes
Post by ***@gmail.com
Till means the same thing as until.
Till is not an abbreviation of until—it’s actually older than
until—and it should not be written with an apostrophe.
Yes
Post by ***@gmail.com
’Til turns up now and then, but major usage dictionaries and style
guides consider it an error, so it’s best to avoid it.
It's typically used by people who don't realize that "till" is a
perfectly good word.
Post by ***@gmail.com
[1] https://www.grammarly.com/blog/until-till-til/
In this case OK,but don't take grammarly as authoritative.
Which/where is the authoritative, then?
Snidely
2021-12-03 01:22:03 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
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Today, I stumbled on the interesting explanation here [1] on the
Until indicates when something will happen, begin, or end. Yes
Till means the same thing as until.
Till is not an abbreviation of until—it’s actually older than
until—and it should not be written with an apostrophe. Yes
’Til turns up now and then, but major usage dictionaries and style
guides consider it an error, so it’s best to avoid it.
It's typically used by people who don't realize that "till" is a
perfectly good word.
Post by ***@gmail.com
[1] https://www.grammarly.com/blog/until-till-til/
In this case OK,but don't take grammarly as authoritative.
Which/where is the authoritative, then?
That's the trouble. Computer geeks pick up a set of rules without
having the full context. Authoritative usage experts often give
suggestions rather than rules. At least, that's the picture I get.

And your question needs a noun. "Which [or where] is the authoritative
source, then?" is possible.

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hongy...@gmail.com
2021-12-03 02:18:36 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
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Today, I stumbled on the interesting explanation here [1] on the
Until indicates when something will happen, begin, or end. Yes
Till means the same thing as until.
Till is not an abbreviation of until—it’s actually older than
until—and it should not be written with an apostrophe. Yes
’Til turns up now and then, but major usage dictionaries and style
guides consider it an error, so it’s best to avoid it.
It's typically used by people who don't realize that "till" is a
perfectly good word.
Post by ***@gmail.com
[1] https://www.grammarly.com/blog/until-till-til/
In this case OK,but don't take grammarly as authoritative.
Which/where is the authoritative, then?
That's the trouble. Computer geeks pick up a set of rules without
having the full context. Authoritative usage experts often give
suggestions rather than rules. At least, that's the picture I get.
And your question needs a noun. "Which [or where] is the authoritative
source, then?" is possible.
Thank you for correcting me [or my mistake].

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