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Virginia teacher who was fired over refusing to use queer student's preferred pronouns awarded $575,000
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useapen
2024-10-10 08:20:58 UTC
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A Virginia teacher who refused to use a student's preferred pronouns
has been awarded $575,000 after filing a lawsuit against the former
school district he worked for more than five years ago, according to
court fillings and attorneys in the case.

High school teacher Peter Vlaming, who taught high school French in
West Point for about seven years, filed a $1 million lawsuit against
the West Point School Board in 2019 after his former employer fired
him, court documents show.

Vlaming, according to the suit filed in U.S. District Court for the
Eastern District of Virginia, avoided using he/him pronouns when
referring to a student who had transitioned and, instead, used the
student’s preferred name.

School leaders ordered him to stop avoiding the use of pronouns to
refer to the student, who had transitioned, and to start using the
student's preferred pronouns of he/him, according to previous local
media reports and the Alliance Defending Freedom, a non-profit legal
group.

School board to pay teacher; superintendent releases statement

Caleb Dalton, senior counsel at Alliance Defending Freedom, said the
West Point School Board agreed to pay $575,000 in damages and
attorneys’ fees. The settlement was signed by a judge on Monday.

West Point Public Schools Superintendent Larry L. Frazier Jr. said in a
statement issued to USA TODAY that the school system was pleased to
come to an agreement “that will not have a negative impact on the
students, staff or school community of West Point.”

The school has since adopted transgender policies issued by Virginia
Gov. Glenn Youngkin, the Washington Post reported.

The Republican governor's guidelines, handed down in 2022, reversed
some transgender protections and gave parents authority over whether a
student can change their preferred identity and name in school records,
USA TODAY previously reported.

"This is a key component of our 2023-2028 Strategic Plan," Frazier
wrote in the statement. "Specifically (one goal) focuses on 'Student &
Staff Wellbeing': To promote and nurture a culture of safety, security,
and overall wellness for students, staff, families, and the West Point
community."

Dalton, who framed the settlement as "a win for freedom of speech in
Virginia," told USA TODAY that public educators "shouldn’t force
teachers to endorse beliefs they disagree with."

"No government should force its employees - or anyone else - to voice
their allegiance to an ideology that violates their deepest beliefs,"
Dalton said.

USA TODAY has reached out to the school board's attorneys in the case.

Dalton said West Point also cleared Vlaming’s firing from his record.

Vlaming is working for a French book publisher, his attorney said
Thursday.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/10/03/teacher-fired-
pronouns-virginia-lawsuit/75493851007/
Peter Moylan
2024-10-10 10:55:23 UTC
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USA TODAY has reached out to the school board's attorneys in the case.
Aargh! Yet another inappropriate use of "reach out".
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Chris Ahlstrom
2024-10-10 11:37:16 UTC
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Post by useapen
USA TODAY has reached out to the school board's attorneys in the case.
Aargh! Yet another inappropriate use of "reach out".
Better than a reach-around.
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Lil dwarf Rudey
2024-10-10 20:56:46 UTC
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Better than a reach-around.
Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

Swill
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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Steve Hayes
2024-10-11 00:04:18 UTC
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USA TODAY has reached out to the school board's attorneys in the case.
Aargh! Yet another inappropriate use of "reach out".
Perhaps they were traumtised by the whole affair, and needed comfort
and reassurance.
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Peter Moylan
2024-10-11 00:43:19 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by useapen
USA TODAY has reached out to the school board's attorneys in the case.
Aargh! Yet another inappropriate use of "reach out".
Perhaps they were traumtised by the whole affair, and needed comfort
and reassurance.
I've heard that dentists have a high suicide rate because nobody likes
them. Now, considering the number and nature of lawyer jokes I've heard, ...

It would be interesting to trace the history of "reach out". I imagine
that originally reaching out was a cry for help. (I picture a drowning
person waving an arm.) Or perhaps even a plea for affection. I have a
cat that does that, when she taps me on the shoulder.

Then, somehow, the meaning flipped, so that it was the helper rather
than the helpee who reached out. I have the vague impression, for no
very good reason, that that started in religious circles.

I can live with both of those meanings, but the journalists' use of
"reached out" drives me crazy.
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Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Snidely
2024-10-11 08:47:13 UTC
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Lo, on the 10/10/2024, Peter Moylan did proclaim ...
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by useapen
USA TODAY has reached out to the school board's attorneys in the case.
Aargh! Yet another inappropriate use of "reach out".
Perhaps they were traumtised by the whole affair, and needed comfort
and reassurance.
I've heard that dentists have a high suicide rate because nobody likes
them. Now, considering the number and nature of lawyer jokes I've heard, ...
It would be interesting to trace the history of "reach out". I imagine
that originally reaching out was a cry for help. (I picture a drowning
person waving an arm.) Or perhaps even a plea for affection. I have a
cat that does that, when she taps me on the shoulder.
Then, somehow, the meaning flipped, so that it was the helper rather
than the helpee who reached out. I have the vague impression, for no
very good reason, that that started in religious circles.
I can live with both of those meanings, but the journalists' use of
"reached out" drives me crazy.
I can offer no comfort. For me, it started with the phone company ....

/dps
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of American professional basketball, like that you could have once
watched a game between teams named the Indianapolis Kautskys and the
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jerryfriedman
2024-10-11 14:04:03 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by useapen
USA TODAY has reached out to the school board's attorneys in the case.
Aargh! Yet another inappropriate use of "reach out".
Perhaps they were traumtised by the whole affair, and needed comfort
and reassurance.
I've heard that dentists have a high suicide rate because nobody likes
them. Now, considering the number and nature of lawyer jokes I've heard, ...
It would be interesting to trace the history of "reach out". I imagine
that originally reaching out was a cry for help. (I picture a drowning
person waving an arm.) Or perhaps even a plea for affection. I have a
cat that does that, when she taps me on the shoulder.
Then, somehow, the meaning flipped, so that it was the helper rather
than the helpee who reached out. I have the vague impression, for no
very good reason, that that started in religious circles.
I can live with both of those meanings, but the journalists' use of
"reached out" drives me crazy.
You're lucky you don't work at my college, where many
students, faculty, and staff use it.

--
Jerry Friedman
Steve Hayes
2024-10-12 03:46:13 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Peter Moylan
Aargh! Yet another inappropriate use of "reach out".
Perhaps they were traumtised by the whole affair, and needed comfort
and reassurance.
I've heard that dentists have a high suicide rate because nobody likes
them. Now, considering the number and nature of lawyer jokes I've heard, ...
It would be interesting to trace the history of "reach out". I imagine
that originally reaching out was a cry for help. (I picture a drowning
person waving an arm.) Or perhaps even a plea for affection. I have a
cat that does that, when she taps me on the shoulder.
Then, somehow, the meaning flipped, so that it was the helper rather
than the helpee who reached out. I have the vague impression, for no
very good reason, that that started in religious circles.
Both those are ways that I understand and use the term -- asking for
help, or offering help to someone in trouble.

Those you reach out to are victims.

The religious meaning is a little different, but could have originated
as a metaphor based on theb second meaning. The noun is "outreach" and
in Christian mission/evangelistic terminology means church ministry to
those who are not actually members of the particular church concerned.

This could include a great variety of activities. For example a church
could "reach out" to the unemployed by providing job skills training,
"reach out" to the homeless by providing temporary shelter, etc.

I think in current business jargon it just means "make contact", and
yjr equally barbarous responswe to someone reaching out is to "revert"
to them.

So a business "reaches out" by sending a letter, pamphlet, e-mail
message or some other communication, hoping that those they have
"reached out" to will "revert" to them.

I don't think it's a journalistic coinage -- journalists are simply
reporting the business jargon they hear.
Post by Peter Moylan
I can live with both of those meanings, but the journalists' use of
"reached out" drives me crazy.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Sterilize the parents
2024-10-11 00:26:56 UTC
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A Virginia teacher who refused to use a student's preferred pronouns
has been awarded $575,000 after filing a lawsuit against the former
school district he worked for more than five years ago, according to
court fillings and attorneys in the case.
Good for him.
Post by useapen
High school teacher Peter Vlaming, who taught high school French in
West Point for about seven years, filed a $1 million lawsuit against
the West Point School Board in 2019 after his former employer fired
him, court documents show.
Vlaming, according to the suit filed in U.S. District Court for the
Eastern District of Virginia, avoided using he/him pronouns when
referring to a student who had transitioned and, instead, used the
student’s preferred name.
School leaders ordered him to stop avoiding the use of pronouns to
refer to the student, who had transitioned, and to start using the
student's preferred pronouns of he/him, according to previous local
media reports and the Alliance Defending Freedom, a non-profit legal
group.
School board to pay teacher; superintendent releases statement
Caleb Dalton, senior counsel at Alliance Defending Freedom, said the
West Point School Board agreed to pay $575,000 in damages and
attorneys’ fees. The settlement was signed by a judge on Monday.
West Point Public Schools Superintendent Larry L. Frazier Jr. said in a
statement issued to USA TODAY that the school system was pleased to
come to an agreement “that will not have a negative impact on the
students, staff or school community of West Point.”
It already did you idiot.
Post by useapen
The school has since adopted transgender policies issued by Virginia
Gov. Glenn Youngkin, the Washington Post reported.
The Republican governor's guidelines, handed down in 2022, reversed
some transgender protections and gave parents authority over whether a
student can change their preferred identity and name in school records,
USA TODAY previously reported.
"This is a key component of our 2023-2028 Strategic Plan," Frazier
wrote in the statement. "Specifically (one goal) focuses on 'Student &
Staff Wellbeing': To promote and nurture a culture of safety, security,
and overall wellness for students, staff, families, and the West Point
community."
Dalton, who framed the settlement as "a win for freedom of speech in
Virginia," told USA TODAY that public educators "shouldn’t force
teachers to endorse beliefs they disagree with."
"No government should force its employees - or anyone else - to voice
their allegiance to an ideology that violates their deepest beliefs,"
Dalton said.
Absolutely 100% correct.

Just because some wishy-washy parents let social media fags raise their child doesn't mandate others accept it.
Post by useapen
USA TODAY has reached out to the school board's attorneys in the case.
Dalton said West Point also cleared Vlaming’s firing from his record.
Vlaming is working for a French book publisher, his attorney said
Thursday.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/10/03/teacher-fired-
pronouns-virginia-lawsuit/75493851007/
kazu
2024-10-12 07:10:28 UTC
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A Virginia teacher who refused to use a student's preferred pronouns
has been awarded $575,000 after filing a lawsuit against the former
school district he worked for more than five years ago, according to
court fillings and attorneys in the case.
that's good, women dont get offended when i call them guys. you guys.
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