What is this "made to order" nonsense?

[void]

I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to describe
various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food items made for
the purpose of being ordered by someone? You wouldn't make a product and
hope that no one would order it... that would be a money-losing business.

[Tyler McHenry]

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to describe
various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food items made for
the purpose of being ordered by someone? You wouldn't make a product and
hope that no one would order it... that would be a money-losing business.

"Made to order" means that it is not prepared until after the waiter takes
your order for it. This is opposed an item which is made ahead of time and
left sitting underneath a heat lamp until someone orders it.

[void]

Post by Tyler McHenry

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to describe
various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food items made for
the purpose of being ordered by someone? You wouldn't make a product and
hope that no one would order it... that would be a money-losing business.

"Made to order" means that it is not prepared until after the waiter takes
your order for it. This is opposed an item which is made ahead of time and
left sitting underneath a heat lamp until someone orders it.

So shouldn't it be "made after order"? "Made *to* order" doesn't make any
sense.

[s***@rogers.com]

Post by void

Post by Tyler McHenry

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to describe
various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food items made for
the purpose of being ordered by someone? You wouldn't make a product and
hope that no one would order it... that would be a money-losing business.

"Made to order" means that it is not prepared until after the waiter takes
your order for it. This is opposed an item which is made ahead of time and
left sitting underneath a heat lamp until someone orders it.

So shouldn't it be "made after order"? "Made *to* order" doesn't make any
sense.

"Made to order" is less about when the order is taken and more about
how the item ordered is prepared. It means that when I place my order I
can specify how I want the item prepared (e.g. I can order my steak
medium rare) and the staff will oblige me; it is made according to my
particular order. One may also see (usually not in the context of a
restaurant) such variations as "made to specifications" or "made to
requirements".

sarah

[Tony Cooper]

Post by s***@rogers.com

Post by void

Post by Tyler McHenry

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to describe
various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food items made for
the purpose of being ordered by someone? You wouldn't make a product and
hope that no one would order it... that would be a money-losing business.

"Made to order" means that it is not prepared until after the waiter takes
your order for it. This is opposed an item which is made ahead of time and
left sitting underneath a heat lamp until someone orders it.

So shouldn't it be "made after order"? "Made *to* order" doesn't make any
sense.

"Made to order" is less about when the order is taken and more about
how the item ordered is prepared. It means that when I place my order I
can specify how I want the item prepared (e.g. I can order my steak
medium rare) and the staff will oblige me; it is made according to my
particular order. One may also see (usually not in the context of a
restaurant) such variations as "made to specifications" or "made to
requirements".

I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

[the Omrud]

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

[LFS]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Oh, go on, since it's almost the weekend let's be really picky. It
should be "café" (I've only just discovered how to do fancy characters
in posts). And it's "Savile Row".

[the Omrud]

Post by LFS

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Oh, go on, since it's almost the weekend let's be really picky. It
should be "café" (I've only just discovered how to do fancy characters
in posts). And it's "Savile Row".

I was deliberate with "cafe". It seems to me that an establishment
which is called a "caff" by its customers is more likely to spell the
word without the accent. If it's a proper café then it probably uses
the accent.

How about the Transport Cafe - often pronounced "transport caff".
Would we see the accent? This is your weekend homework as you travel
the A-roads of England.

[John Dean]

Post by the Omrud

Post by LFS

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Oh, go on, since it's almost the weekend let's be really picky. It
should be "café" (I've only just discovered how to do fancy
characters in posts). And it's "Savile Row".

I was deliberate with "cafe". It seems to me that an establishment
which is called a "caff" by its customers is more likely to spell the
word without the accent. If it's a proper café then it probably uses
the accent.
How about the Transport Cafe - often pronounced "transport caff".
Would we see the accent? This is your weekend homework as you travel
the A-roads of England.

Also pronounced "cayf" which mandates an accentless spelling.

[Alec McKenzie]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

[the Omrud]

Post by Alec McKenzie

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

We don't.

[T.H. Entity]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Alec McKenzie

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

We don't.

There is also the third option, for the middle-of-the-road type of
establishment, where "café" is pronounced neither "caffay" nor "caff"
but "caffy".

Test on Monday.

--
THE

[Robert Bannister]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Alec McKenzie

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

We don't.

Considering that half of these places don't even have the word "café" in
their name, I think it was at best a trivial point. Cafés are likely to
be called "Chez Jules" or "L'escargot jocond"; caffs are more "Dave's
Place" or "Red and White". The best caffs have no discernible name that
can be read without archaeological tools and have secret names known
only to those in the know.

[Wordsmith]

Post by Robert Bannister

Post by the Omrud

Post by Alec McKenzie

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

We don't.

Considering that half of these places don't even have the word "café" in
their name, I think it was at best a trivial point. Cafés are likely to
be called "Chez Jules" or "L'escargot jocond"; caffs are more "Dave's
Place" or "Red and White". The best caffs have no discernible name that
can be read without archaeological tools and have secret names known
only to those in the know.
--
Rob Bannister

A favorite place of mine was called "Pompei Bar & Grill"; however, to
get to it now, one must chip away layers of volcanic ash. Oh, their
Ceaser salad is to die for...but you have to eat it on the run.

W

[T.H. Entity]

Post by Alec McKenzie

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

At least one sub at *The Observer*, no less, has no qualms about
"caff":

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1273688,00.html

--
THE

[the Omrud]

Post by T.H. Entity

Post by Alec McKenzie

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

At least one sub at *The Observer*, no less, has no qualms about
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1273688,00.html

Once in the headline (attention grabbing) and once in reported speech
in the article. All the other uses are "cafe", without the accent.

[JF]

X-No-Archive: yes

Post by Alec McKenzie

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

By the spelling variation seems to be trebles all round wheeze.

There are few establishments left in England that can rightfully be
dignified as caffs. Mrs Montague's glorious place in Lennox Street,
Bognor Regis, West Sussex is one.

Her list of breakfast ingredients is simple: black pudding; kippers;
fried eggs (for which she has a special frying technique that involves
making the edges crispy with black flecks that look like truffles);
fried bacon; fried potatoes (scallops); fried tomatoes; fried mushrooms;
fried bread; mushy peas; sausages made in proper intestine skins with
their innards bulging out at each end like runaway hernias. A rare treat
is the addition of slices of bubble and squeak' to the list. It consists
of cabbage that's boiled for about a day, tossed in old army horse
blankets, and then deep fried with yesterday's mashed potatoes to bring
out the full flavour.

Most early morning gourmets at her famed establishment make their
own selections from the blackboard list thus creating their own
customised designer breakfasts. The flavour can be improved by squeezing
tomato sauce out of plastic tomatoes that grace her oilcloth-covered
tables decorated with carefully-drawn brown rings. Discreet burps
throughout the rest of the day enable one to re-enjoy the different
flavours at discrete intervals. That's why they're called 'all day'
breakfasts.

Her tea is brewed in a monstrous, hissing, steaming, chromium-plated
affair that looks like Stevenson's Rocket, and is poured from a huge
steel teapot with *two* spouts! Those customers having the termerity to
order coffee are treated to a strange black goo concoction made from
chicory essence called `Camp'. Sugar is available from a dog bowl on
the counter via a spoon on a chain. Her sugar is unique: mostly white
but with lumps of brown to make it more interesting.

Like all proper caff breakfasts, Mrs Montague's delights cannot be kept
down.

[Tony Cooper]

Post by Alec McKenzie

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

Yes. That's why I wrote "caff". To the American audience, at least,
"cafe" has an entirely different meaning. Most Americans in this
group would recognize "caff" as a British term for a particular style
of eating place. Most Americans in this group (IMO) would read "cafe"
as a more upscale eating place than the type of place that I intended
to bring to mind.

I may be corrected and find that "most" means "only in TCE", but I
picture a cafe as a place with outside, streetside, seating under a
canopy and well-dressed waiters with fake accents and a superior
attitude, small tables with wobbly legs, food served with garnish,
toothpicks holding the sandwiches together, poodles with jeweled
collars under the table, and aperitifs served.

I picture a "caff" as a steamy place with both a counter and tables,
cigarette-raspy voiced waitresses who call you "Luv", thick plates and
mugs slid across the serving surface, menu boards on the wall but
seldom looked at because the patrons already know what they want, and
visible cooks with grease-spotted aprons.

In a cafe, if you ask for water, they ask you what brand you want and
charge you roughly the price of a bottle of good whiskey for it. In a
caff, if you ask for water, they think you want to have a wash-up at
your seat.

[the Omrud]

Post by Tony Cooper
I picture a "caff" as a steamy place with both a counter and tables,
cigarette-raspy voiced waitresses who call you "Luv", thick plates and
mugs slid across the serving surface, menu boards on the wall but
seldom looked at because the patrons already know what they want, and
visible cooks with grease-spotted aprons.

No counter, except for serving as you describe. Cafes don't have
counters: they're not diners, you know, nor are they the Hard Rock
Cafe. They just have Formica tables, like a modern school dining
hall. Hmmm, even "The Hard Rock Cafe Paris" doesn't have an accent.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Alec McKenzie

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

cafe = 51966 decimal

caff = 51967 decimal

[R H Draney]

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Alec McKenzie
Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

cafe = 51966 decimal
caff = 51967 decimal

I get -13570 and -13569 respectively (you have my complements)....r

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by R H Draney

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Alec McKenzie
Then how do we distinguish (in writing) between a "caff" and a
"cafe"?

cafe = 51966 decimal
caff = 51967 decimal

I get -13570 and -13569 respectively (you have my complements)....r

Two's complements, three's a crowd.

Thanks - yours was the first post to make me laugh today, in several
newsgroups.

[T.H. Entity]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

Oy! It's "Savile Row" for some weird reason.

Post by the Omrud
We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

And even when it is written, we often pronounce it ['gri:si'spu:n].
However, there is no truth whatsoever in the rumour that we do this to
confound the Cousins, in revenge for all that "when is a diner a
luncheonette and when is it a coffee shop" business.

--
THE

[Robert Bannister]

Post by T.H. Entity

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

Oy! It's "Savile Row" for some weird reason.

Post by the Omrud
We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

And even when it is written, we often pronounce it ['gri:si'spu:n].
However, there is no truth whatsoever in the rumour that we do this to
confound the Cousins, in revenge for all that "when is a diner a
luncheonette and when is it a coffee shop" business.

Not forgetting, of course, The Olde Teashoppe, which in other places
would undoubtedly be grouped as a café.

[Tony Cooper]

On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:34:13 +0800, Robert Bannister

Post by Robert Bannister
Not forgetting, of course, The Olde Teashoppe, which in other places
would undoubtedly be grouped as a café.

Teashoppes, in the US, are invariably twee.

[Sara Lorimer]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Tony Cooper
I wonder if there's caff on Saville Row that serves bespoke eggs.

We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Hmmm. That can't be so. I know "caff," but couldn't've heard it in the
wild -- I must've read it.

[Wood Avens]

Post by Sara Lorimer

Post by the Omrud
We say "caff" but we don't write it; at least, if we do write it,
it's spelled "cafe".

Hmmm. That can't be so. I know "caff," but couldn't've heard it in the
wild -- I must've read it.

As it happens, here it is in The Guardian today. Fiachra Gibbons,
referring to the new French Musée du Quai Branly, writes:

"And it is, if you will forgive a little flourish of Gallic
overstatement, a catastrophe sunk in a swamp of hubris, though there
is a lovely caff and ace office block in the not quite finished
garden."

[Sara Lorimer]

Post by Wood Avens

Post by Sara Lorimer
Hmmm. That can't be so. I know "caff," but couldn't've heard it in the
wild -- I must've read it.

As it happens, here it is in The Guardian today. Fiachra Gibbons,
"And it is, if you will forgive a little flourish of Gallic
overstatement, a catastrophe sunk in a swamp of hubris, though there
is a lovely caff and ace office block in the not quite finished
garden."

I used to read the Guardian on my little hand-held computer thingy while
my son went to sleep, so that might be it -- or it might be Sergeant
Wiggins's fault.

[Vinny Burgoo]

Post by Sara Lorimer
I used to read the Guardian on my little hand-held computer thingy while
my son went to sleep, so that might be it -- or it might be Sergeant
Wiggins's fault.

That's very cute - but was it wise? You might have pilgered the poor
little chap for life.

[Robert Bannister]

Post by s***@rogers.com

Post by void

Post by Tyler McHenry

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to describe
various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food items made for
the purpose of being ordered by someone? You wouldn't make a product and
hope that no one would order it... that would be a money-losing business.

"Made to order" means that it is not prepared until after the waiter takes
your order for it. This is opposed an item which is made ahead of time and
left sitting underneath a heat lamp until someone orders it.

So shouldn't it be "made after order"? "Made *to* order" doesn't make any
sense.

"Made to order" is less about when the order is taken and more about
how the item ordered is prepared. It means that when I place my order I
can specify how I want the item prepared (e.g. I can order my steak
medium rare) and the staff will oblige me; it is made according to my
particular order. One may also see (usually not in the context of a
restaurant) such variations as "made to specifications" or "made to
requirements".

Still seem pretty crazy to me. I mean, would anyone eat in a restaurant
that didn't allow you specify how you wanted your steak done?

[Mike Barnes]

I mean, would anyone eat in a restaurant that didn't allow you specify
how you wanted your steak done?

Do you also insist on specifying how you want your vegetables done?

[void]

Post by Mike Barnes

I mean, would anyone eat in a restaurant that didn't allow you specify
how you wanted your steak done?

Agreed. Even McDonald's will make a burger the way that you want it.

Post by Mike Barnes
Do you also insist on specifying how you want your vegetables done?

Some people want their vegetables on the side.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by void

I mean, would anyone eat in a restaurant that didn't allow you
specify how you wanted your steak done?

Agreed. Even McDonald's will make a burger the way that you want it.

That's a big change, then. The last time I went into McDonald's -
admittedly, it was years ago - they didn't even carry the ingredients to
make a proper hamburger with the works.

The traditional test of hamburger quality is the way the egg-yolk runs
down your chin. If they finally have that right, I might even consider
going back there.

[Salvatore Volatile]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by void

I mean, would anyone eat in a restaurant that didn't allow you
specify how you wanted your steak done?

Agreed. Even McDonald's will make a burger the way that you want it.

That's a big change, then. The last time I went into McDonald's -
admittedly, it was years ago - they didn't even carry the ingredients to
make a proper hamburger with the works.

By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who think of
hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a steak sandwich?

[Skitt]

Post by Salvatore Volatile

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by void

I mean, would anyone eat in a restaurant that didn't allow you
specify how you wanted your steak done?

Agreed. Even McDonald's will make a burger the way that you want it.

That's a big change, then. The last time I went into McDonald's -
admittedly, it was years ago - they didn't even carry the
ingredients to make a proper hamburger with the works.

By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who
think of hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a
steak sandwich?

Are you talking about Salisbury steak?

[mb]

Post by Salvatore Volatile

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by void

I mean, would anyone eat in a restaurant that didn't allow you
specify how you wanted your steak done?

Agreed. Even McDonald's will make a burger the way that you want it.

That's a big change, then. The last time I went into McDonald's -
admittedly, it was years ago - they didn't even carry the ingredients to
make a proper hamburger with the works.

By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who think of
hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a steak sandwich?

It's always too easy to invoke someone's use of the words in
advertisement to try to justify what you know is wrong. A frank was a
tube-steak for a longish time (Leon's closed, but it is still used).
Or, take the patty out of the burger onto a plate and charge $7.98 for
ground steak. Who is to stop you?

[Oleg Lego]

Post by mb
It's always too easy to invoke someone's use of the words in
advertisement to try to justify what you know is wrong. A frank was a
tube-steak for a longish time (Leon's closed, but it is still used).

I grew up with a different meaning for the term "tube steak". We also
knew it as a "trouser snake". It really messed up my mind when I
started seeing hot dog vendors with the cart labelled as "Mr. Tube
Steak".

[mb]

Post by Oleg Lego

Post by mb
It's always too easy to invoke someone's use of the words in
advertisement to try to justify what you know is wrong. A frank was a
tube-steak for a longish time (Leon's closed, but it is still used).

I grew up with a different meaning for the term "tube steak". We also
knew it as a "trouser snake". It really messed up my mind when I
started seeing hot dog vendors with the cart labelled as "Mr. Tube
Steak".

Must be a shock to see others sell what you must hide.

[JF]

Post by Salvatore Volatile

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by void

I mean, would anyone eat in a restaurant that didn't allow you
specify how you wanted your steak done?

Agreed. Even McDonald's will make a burger the way that you want it.

That's a big change, then. The last time I went into McDonald's -
admittedly, it was years ago - they didn't even carry the ingredients to
make a proper hamburger with the works.

By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who think of
hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a steak sandwich?

But they're patties in baps.

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Salvatore Volatile
By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who
think of hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a
steak sandwich?

Not me. Once you grind it, it's no longer "steak".
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[Tony Cooper]

On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:29:59 -0700, Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Salvatore Volatile
By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who
think of hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a
steak sandwich?

Not me. Once you grind it, it's no longer "steak".

So a t-bone is no longer steak once it is chewed? I ordered steak but
swallowed ground beef?

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:29:59 -0700, Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Salvatore Volatile
By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who
think of hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a
steak sandwich?

Not me. Once you grind it, it's no longer "steak".

So a t-bone is no longer steak once it is chewed? I ordered steak
but swallowed ground beef?

No, I'd say that chewing isn't enough to transform it. Neither is
slicing. But grinding or pureeing turns it into "ground beef".
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
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1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |support of government. Truth can
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |stand by itself.
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[R H Draney]

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:29:59 -0700, Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Salvatore Volatile
By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who
think of hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a
steak sandwich?

Not me. Once you grind it, it's no longer "steak".

So a t-bone is no longer steak once it is chewed? I ordered steak
but swallowed ground beef?

No, I'd say that chewing isn't enough to transform it. Neither is
slicing. But grinding or pureeing turns it into "ground beef".

How about shredding?...am I being sold a bill of goods when I buy a "machaca
steak burrito"?...r

[JF]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:29:59 -0700, Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Salvatore Volatile
By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who
think of hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a
steak sandwich?

Not me. Once you grind it, it's no longer "steak".

So a t-bone is no longer steak once it is chewed? I ordered steak but
swallowed ground beef?

It's what your molars are for. Remember them? Swallowing whole steaks is
not a good idea. You might end up needing the Matt Helm treatment.

[Skitt]

Tony Cooper writes

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Salvatore Volatile
By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who
think of hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a
steak sandwich?

Not me. Once you grind it, it's no longer "steak".

So a t-bone is no longer steak once it is chewed? I ordered steak
but swallowed ground beef?

It's what your molars are for. Remember them? Swallowing whole steaks
is not a good idea. You might end up needing the Matt Helm treatment.

I thought it was the Hind Lick procedure.

(Opus P. recently got in trouble making the same assumption, though.)

[Tony Cooper]

Post by Skitt

Tony Cooper writes

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Salvatore Volatile
By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who
think of hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a
steak sandwich?

Not me. Once you grind it, it's no longer "steak".

So a t-bone is no longer steak once it is chewed? I ordered steak
but swallowed ground beef?

It's what your molars are for. Remember them? Swallowing whole steaks
is not a good idea. You might end up needing the Matt Helm treatment.

I thought it was the Hind Lick procedure.
(Opus P. recently got in trouble making the same assumption, though.)

That was the first really funny strip he's done since he re-emerged.

[Skitt]

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Skitt

Tony Cooper writes

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Evan Kirshenbaum

Post by Salvatore Volatile
By the bye, does anyone here -- particularly those (hi Erk!) who
think of hotdogs as sausages -- regard a hamburger as steak, or a
steak sandwich?

Not me. Once you grind it, it's no longer "steak".

So a t-bone is no longer steak once it is chewed? I ordered steak
but swallowed ground beef?

It's what your molars are for. Remember them? Swallowing whole
steaks is not a good idea. You might end up needing the Matt Helm
treatment.

I thought it was the Hind Lick procedure.
(Opus P. recently got in trouble making the same assumption, though.)

That was the first really funny strip he's done since he re-emerged.

Agreed.

[Robert Bannister]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by void

I mean, would anyone eat in a restaurant that didn't allow you
specify how you wanted your steak done?

Agreed. Even McDonald's will make a burger the way that you want it.

That's a big change, then. The last time I went into McDonald's -
admittedly, it was years ago - they didn't even carry the ingredients to
make a proper hamburger with the works.
The traditional test of hamburger quality is the way the egg-yolk runs
down your chin. If they finally have that right, I might even consider
going back there.

And your fingers should be red with beetroot juice.

[Robert Bannister]

Post by Mike Barnes

I mean, would anyone eat in a restaurant that didn't allow you specify
how you wanted your steak done?

Do you also insist on specifying how you want your vegetables done?

No, but there are a number of restaurants I have never visited a second
time because of the peculiar way they have served them. What idiot came
up with the idea of heaping food into high, unstable piles, which when
touched, fall all over the table?

[John Savage]

Post by Mike Barnes
Do you also insist on specifying how you want your vegetables done?

Steamed, baked, stirfried.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

[Daniel al-Autistiqui]

Post by s***@rogers.com
how the item ordered is prepared. It means that when I place my order I
can specify how I want the item prepared (e.g. I can order my steak
medium rare) and the staff will oblige me; it is made according to my
particular order. One may also see (usually not in the context of a

Why did you say "rare"?

daniel mcgrath

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

Post by Daniel al-Autistiqui

Post by s***@rogers.com
how the item ordered is prepared. It means that when I place my
order I can specify how I want the item prepared (e.g. I can order
my steak medium rare) and the staff will oblige me; it is made
according to my particular order. One may also see (usually not in
the context of a

Why did you say "rare"?

He didn't; he said "medium rare". Presumably because that's how he
likes his steak cooked.
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Post by Tyler McHenry
"Made to order" means that it is not prepared until after the waiter takes
your order for it. This is opposed an item which is made ahead of time and
left sitting underneath a heat lamp until someone orders it.

Bangladeshi cafes in England, which must be numbered in millions, have a
strange method of rushing what is supposed to be freshly cooked dishes
to their customers. In their kitchens they have a cauldron containing a
cold stew that consists of curried dogs and cats, and maybe the odd
condemned sheep. When a customer order is received, a ladleful of the
stew is tipped into a steel dish that's been heated until it's almost
cherry red with a portable blow lamp. The dish, hissing and spitting in
a most aggressive manner, is placed before alarmed diners. It continues
splattering hot dog gravy all over them for some minutes.

[james]

Bangladeshi cafes in England ...
a ladleful of the stew is tipped into a steel dish that's been heated
until it's almost cherry red with a portable blow lamp. The dish,
hissing and spitting in a most aggressive manner, is placed before
alarmed diners. It continues splattering hot dog gravy all over them
for some minutes.

I should add that this doesn't appear to be a traditional Bangladeshi
culinary technique. At Jamgorra in Bangladesh, about 30 minutes by
motorway coach from Dhaka, is a new theme park. It's not quite equal to
Disney World in Florida, but it's certainly big, and is being extended
on a large scale. Fantasy Kingdom must've cost millions but the
Bangladeshis are affluent if the car parks are anything to go by. It's
big, noisy and brash and tremendous fun. I'm too old for the decidedly
hairy Big Thunder Mountain type rides but the food court, with about 20
restaurants, is fabulous and about as far from English Bangladeshi
cooking as one can imagine. The range of dishes is truly amazing.

Curiously, despite the taste sensations of the restaurants, the most
popular, especially with kids, seemed to be the Mobile -- a vast
fast-food hamburger McDonald style place with ketchup in giant glurp
squeezies and fries from coin-operated machines. You've got to hand it
to the Americans -- their traditional cuisine has become a world
standard.

[Robert Bannister]

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Post by Tyler McHenry
"Made to order" means that it is not prepared until after the waiter takes
your order for it. This is opposed an item which is made ahead of time and
left sitting underneath a heat lamp until someone orders it.

Bangladeshi cafes in England, which must be numbered in millions, have a
strange method of rushing what is supposed to be freshly cooked dishes
to their customers. In their kitchens they have a cauldron containing a
cold stew that consists of curried dogs and cats, and maybe the odd
condemned sheep. When a customer order is received, a ladleful of the
stew is tipped into a steel dish that's been heated until it's almost
cherry red with a portable blow lamp. The dish, hissing and spitting in
a most aggressive manner, is placed before alarmed diners. It continues
splattering hot dog gravy all over them for some minutes.

I would suggest that "sizzling beef" was originally a Chinese custom.

[UC]

Post by Tyler McHenry

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to describe
various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food items made for
the purpose of being ordered by someone? You wouldn't make a product and
hope that no one would order it... that would be a money-losing business.

"Made to order" means that it is not prepared until after the waiter takes
your order for it. This is opposed an item which is made ahead of time and
left sitting underneath a heat lamp until someone orders it.

Not "ready-made". McDonalds hamburgers used to be made ahead of time
and placed on a holding shelf. They are now made to order.

Post by Tyler McHenry
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http://www.nerdland.net/~tyler/info/

[Alec McKenzie]

Post by UC
Not "ready-made". McDonalds hamburgers used to be made ahead of time
and placed on a holding shelf. They are now made to order.

I'm quite sure those hamburgers are still made well ahead of
time. Perhaps you mean "cooked to order".

[UC]

Post by Alec McKenzie

Post by UC
Not "ready-made". McDonalds hamburgers used to be made ahead of time
and placed on a holding shelf. They are now made to order.

I'm quite sure those hamburgers are still made well ahead of
time. Perhaps you mean "cooked to order".

That's the same thing. Wendy's are "made to order". McDonalds was
losing market share because of their food quality. They changed from
making sandwiches that were already made to "made to order".

Post by Alec McKenzie
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[JF]

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Post by UC

Post by Alec McKenzie

Post by UC
Not "ready-made". McDonalds hamburgers used to be made ahead of time
and placed on a holding shelf. They are now made to order.

I'm quite sure those hamburgers are still made well ahead of
time. Perhaps you mean "cooked to order".

That's the same thing. Wendy's are "made to order". McDonalds was
losing market share because of their food quality. They changed from
making sandwiches that were already made to "made to order".

After the discovery that English McDonald's patties were made of minced
cows' udders, they claimed that udders were good quality beef. Now,
according to this morning's newspapers, the government are considering
some sort of action because cows' udders contain substantial amounts of
female hormones. Nothing about England's odd food labelling regs that
allow McDonalds to pass off lumps of cow as beef.

[John Savage]

Post by JF
After the discovery that English McDonald's patties were made of minced
cows' udders, they claimed that udders were good quality beef. Now,
according to this morning's newspapers, the government are considering
some sort of action because cows' udders contain substantial amounts of
female hormones. Nothing about England's odd food labelling regs that
allow McDonalds to pass off lumps of cow as beef.

Hasn't mad cow disease made the sale of "gland" material verboten?
Australian food regulations allow the beef content of meat pies to
contain, along with other offal, lung.

Tasty.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

[Jeffrey Turner]

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to describe
various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food items made
for the purpose of being ordered by someone? You wouldn't make a
product and hope that no one would order it... that would be a
money-losing business.

It means they make it when you order it, so that if, for
instance, you want it without salt they can cook it that way.

How's null?

--Jeff

[Steve Hayes]

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to describe
various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food items made for
the purpose of being ordered by someone? You wouldn't make a product and
hope that no one would order it... that would be a money-losing business.

Most restaurants will make "soup of the day", and serve that when some one
orders soup. They don't begin making it only when someone orders it.

But they will only make scrambled eggs when someone orders it/them. So it them
is are made to order.

[Mike Lyle]

Steve Hayes wrote:
[...]

Post by Steve Hayes
Most restaurants will make "soup of the day", and serve that when some one
orders soup. They don't begin making it only when someone orders it.
But they will only make scrambled eggs when someone orders it/them. So it them
is are made to order.

One hopes, but sometimes doubts: I don't think I'd order scrambled
eggs. At school they came in a sort of vat, and were scooped out in a
barely quivering lump, and I bet eateries do much the same if they can
get away with it. In particular beware the "hospitality industry's"
notion of a poached egg: they quite unashamedly make those in advance
and pour hot water over them on serving.

[Adrian Bailey]

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to describe
various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food items made for
the purpose of being ordered by someone? You wouldn't make a product and
hope that no one would order it... that would be a money-losing business.

"order" isn't a verb here, it's a noun. So rather than meaning "Made in
order to be ordered" it means "Made to fill/meet an order."

Adrian

[Don Phillipson]

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to describe
various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food items made for
the purpose of being ordered by someone?

No. Most restaurants know that, on a Tuesday evening,
they will sell between 20 and 40 veal scallopini (and similarly
for other dishes): so every Tuesday night it is safe to start
preparing 20 veal scallopini before the first diners choose
what they want (and comparable minimum numbers of
other menu items.)

[Default User]

Post by Don Phillipson

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to
describe various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food
items made for the purpose of being ordered by someone?

No. Most restaurants know that, on a Tuesday evening,
they will sell between 20 and 40 veal scallopini (and similarly
for other dishes): so every Tuesday night it is safe to start
preparing 20 veal scallopini before the first diners choose
what they want (and comparable minimum numbers of
other menu items.)

To me it goes somewhat beyond just, "made after you order it." There's
a sense of easy customization of the dish.



Brian

[R H Draney]

Post by Default User

Post by Don Phillipson

Post by void
I frequently hear restaurants use the phrase "made to order" to
describe various food items. What does that mean? Aren't all food
items made for the purpose of being ordered by someone?

No. Most restaurants know that, on a Tuesday evening,
they will sell between 20 and 40 veal scallopini (and similarly
for other dishes): so every Tuesday night it is safe to start
preparing 20 veal scallopini before the first diners choose
what they want (and comparable minimum numbers of
other menu items.)

To me it goes somewhat beyond just, "made after you order it." There's
a sense of easy customization of the dish.

Works with drinks too...when Yoko Ono, appearing on "The Simpsons", ordered "a
single plum, floating in perfume, served in a man's hat", it would have been
reasonable to assume that Moe would have to prepare such a drink "to
order"...(the speed with which he served it suggests instead that he already had
the concoction on hand before she asked for it)....r