French Cognac vs. other Cognac

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is in
France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in this
poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than French?

--
Paul

Quinn C

2021-05-26 22:45:23 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is in
France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in this
poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention, partly
by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for any similar kind
of brandy was pretty common in the German of my youth, even though it
wasn't allowed on the label.

--
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to an institution for the insane; if you kill 20,000, you get
political asylum. -- Reed Brody, special counsel
for prosecutions at Human Rights Watch

Mack A. Damia

2021-05-26 22:54:23 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021 18:45:23 -0400, Quinn C

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is in
France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in this
poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than French?

On the Mixing of Precious Schnapps,
(Über das Mixen kostbarer Schnäpse)
by Erich Maria Remarque, 1924

It is easier to write about the psychology of a woman than to
understand a schnapps. Schnapps has a soul.

Human beings are a much worse poison than schnapps or tobacco"
(Three Comrades)

It was not the first time I had caught her so. She used to come to us
for two hours every morning to clean up the workshop; and though one
might leave as much money lying around as one liked she would never
disturb itbut schnapps she could smell out as far off as a rat a
slice of bacon.

"War is war and schnapps is schnapps, and business must go on."
(AQOTWF)

Quinn C

2021-05-27 02:44:45 UTC

Post by Mack A. Damia
"War is war and schnapps is schnapps, and business must go on."
(AQOTWF)

Do you have quotes from MOAIO, AJNITRC, or TSAHAW, too?

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

Mack A. Damia

2021-05-27 04:07:56 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021 22:44:45 -0400, Quinn C

Post by Mack A. Damia
"War is war and schnapps is schnapps, and business must go on."
(AQOTWF)

Do you have quotes from MOAIO, AJNITRC, or TSAHAW, too?

No, but I have quotes from AOT, TNIL, TBO, TRB, HHNF, SOL, ATTLAATTD,
& F.

I wrote an IT many years ago.

occam

2021-05-26 23:14:09 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is in
France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in this
poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention, partly
by law that these questions are answered.

"Cognac" for any similar kind

Post by Quinn C
of brandy was pretty common in the German of my youth, even though it
wasn't allowed on the label.

So it was not Congac. It was brandy, or whatever you called it in
German. Do you call wine 'Bordeaux' in Germany? You shouldn't. It is not
just a convention, it is the law. Same with Champagne, Halloumi and a
lot of other produce. Theses have protected designation of origin status
in the European Union, with laws to back them up.

Quinn C

2021-05-27 02:44:20 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is in
France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in this
poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention, partly
by law that these questions are answered.

"Cognac" for any similar kind

Post by Quinn C
of brandy was pretty common in the German of my youth, even though it
wasn't allowed on the label.

So it was not Congac. It was brandy, or whatever you called it in
German. Do you call wine 'Bordeaux' in Germany? You shouldn't. It is not
just a convention, it is the law.

The law applies when I want to make money off a designation, but it
doesn't control how I talk to my friends. If that's different in your
country (North Korea?), you have my heartfelt sympathies.

Post by Quinn C
Same with Champagne, Halloumi and a
lot of other produce. Theses have protected designation of origin status
in the European Union, with laws to back them up.

German has a very convenient word for sparkling wine, Sekt, so we don't
need to borrow that from French. That's more an American thing. But I
will certainly call non-Bayer products "Aspirin", not "ASA" or anything
as cryptic as that. I have only a vague idea of what halloumi is.

--
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Gender is an a la carte arrangement.
-- S. Bear Bergman, The Field Guide to Transmasculine Creatures

Peter T. Daniels

2021-05-27 14:41:09 UTC

Post by Quinn C
German has a very convenient word for sparkling wine, Sekt, so we don't
need to borrow that from French. That's more an American thing. But I
will certainly call non-Bayer products "Aspirin", not "ASA" or anything
as cryptic as that. I have only a vague idea of what halloumi is.

Over Here, Bayer lost trademark rights to "aspirin" decades ago, because
they didn't bother trying to protect it the way Coke and Xerox do.

Quinn C

2021-05-27 16:44:49 UTC

Over Here, Bayer lost trademark rights to "aspirin" decades ago, because
they didn't bother trying to protect it the way Coke and Xerox do.

I've also heard it described as the trademark having been removed for a
number of (WWI) enemy products.

But a trademark, like "protected origin", isn't regulating everyday
language. Kleenex may still hold its trademark, but the word is
thoroughly genericized. It has happened to me that I asked for "a
tissue" and wasn't understood.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

Peter T. Daniels

2021-05-27 18:43:15 UTC

Over Here, Bayer lost trademark rights to "aspirin" decades ago, because
they didn't bother trying to protect it the way Coke and Xerox do.

I've also heard it described as the trademark having been removed for a
number of (WWI) enemy products.
But a trademark, like "protected origin", isn't regulating everyday
language. Kleenex may still hold its trademark, but the word is
thoroughly genericized. It has happened to me that I asked for "a
tissue" and wasn't understood.

You couldn't, however, use that word in a screenplay (probably in
print fiction, either) unless you'd negotiated a product placement
deal with Kimberley-Clark Have you noticed that when someone
on screen uses a laptop, either it's clearly an Apple, or it has a
design on the lid that isn't the marque of any computer company?

The delightful old action-comedy series *Chuck* with Zach Levi
and Chi McBride did some very funny Subway sandwich product
placements.

Paul Wolff

2021-05-27 20:16:37 UTC

On Thu, 27 May 2021, at 12:44:49, Quinn C

Over Here, Bayer lost trademark rights to "aspirin" decades ago, because
they didn't bother trying to protect it the way Coke and Xerox do.

I've also heard it described as the trademark having been removed for a
number of (WWI) enemy products.

Autres pays, autres lois. I've heard that story too, but rightly or
wrongly I associate it with the UK TM registration of ASPIRIN by Bayer.

Post by Quinn C
But a trademark, like "protected origin", isn't regulating everyday
language. Kleenex may still hold its trademark, but the word is
thoroughly genericized. It has happened to me that I asked for "a
tissue" and wasn't understood.

Perhaps because we say, and write, "Atishoo!" to denote a sneeze. (Noun
and interjection being the relevant parts of speech.)

--
Paul

Tak To

2021-05-30 18:37:57 UTC

Over Here, Bayer lost trademark rights to "aspirin" decades ago, because
they didn't bother trying to protect it the way Coke and Xerox do.

Ditto for "heroin".

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Peter Moylan

2021-05-27 00:31:36 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is
in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in
this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for any
similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my youth,
even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Yes, these old names stick in one's mind. We've never called non-French
brandy cognac in Australia, but there have been a number of other cases
where "appelation controllée" has upset our naming customs. The wine
country in my area used to be known especially for its Rieslings, and
now I've forgotten what those wines are now called. And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Quinn C

2021-05-27 02:34:10 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is
in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in
this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for any
similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my youth,
even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any more than
Peeno noir. [1]

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

____
[1]

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

Peter Moylan

2021-05-27 02:02:49 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac
is in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How,
then, in this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be
other than French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for
any similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my
youth, even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Yes, these old names stick in one's mind. We've never called
non-French brandy cognac in Australia, but there have been a
number of other cases where "appelation controllée" has upset our
naming customs. The wine country in my area used to be known
especially for its Rieslings, and now I've forgotten what those
wines are now called.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any more
than Peeno noir. [1]

On further checking, I see that the wine once known as Hunter Valley
Riesling is now called Semillon. Apparently the original name was an
accidental mislabelling.

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you
remind me what sherry is called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

Port here (red) is a very different drink from sherry (white). Because
of new labelling laws, both have been renamed. Australian sherry is now
called solera or apera. Australian port is now Tawny or Ruby fortified.

It's still possible to buy sherry from Spain or port from Portugal, but
because of transport costs they don't compete well.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

J. J. Lodder

2021-05-27 08:34:15 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac
is in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How,
then, in this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be
other than French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for
any similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my
youth, even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Yes, these old names stick in one's mind. We've never called
non-French brandy cognac in Australia, but there have been a
number of other cases where "appelation controllée" has upset our
naming customs. The wine country in my area used to be known
especially for its Rieslings, and now I've forgotten what those
wines are now called.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any more
than Peeno noir. [1]

On further checking, I see that the wine once known as Hunter Valley
Riesling is now called Semillon. Apparently the original name was an
accidental mislabelling.

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you
remind me what sherry is called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

Port here (red) is a very different drink from sherry (white). Because
of new labelling laws, both have been renamed. Australian sherry is now
called solera or apera. Australian port is now Tawny or Ruby fortified.
It's still possible to buy sherry from Spain or port from Portugal, but
because of transport costs they don't compete well.

By Portugese law all Port must be bottled in Portugal,
and carry a Portugese tax seal.
Exporting it in bottles adds extra expense.

But Port is in trouble in Europe too.
Once there was a clear difference in strength
between 'ordinary' wine and fortified wine.
With improved grape varieties the strength of 'ordinary' wine
has been creeping up to close to the strenght of Port.
So there is less incentive to buy port,

Jan

Peter T. Daniels

2021-05-27 14:47:35 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
It's still possible to buy sherry from Spain or port from Portugal, but
because of transport costs they don't compete well.

By Portugese law all Port must be bottled in Portugal,
and carry a Portugese tax seal.

Is Portuguese law binding on vintners in any other country?
Or, any country outside the EU, in case the EU has reciprocity
agreements?

Sam Plusnet

2021-05-27 20:40:00 UTC

Post by J. J. Lodder
By Portugese law all Port must be bottled in Portugal,
and carry a Portugese tax seal.
Exporting it in bottles adds extra expense.
But Port is in trouble in Europe too.
Once there was a clear difference in strength
between 'ordinary' wine and fortified wine.
With improved grape varieties the strength of 'ordinary' wine
has been creeping up to close to the strenght of Port.
So there is less incentive to buy port,

That assumes the principle reason for buying port, rather than an
'ordinary' wine, is the percentage of alcohol it contains.
Like many other people, we buy both and do not have any concern for
their relative alcohol content.
They are different, and we drink them at different times for different
reasons.

--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK

J. J. Lodder

2021-05-27 08:34:16 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac
is in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How,
then, in this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be
other than French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for
any similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my
youth, even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Yes, these old names stick in one's mind. We've never called
non-French brandy cognac in Australia, but there have been a
number of other cases where "appelation controllée" has upset our
naming customs. The wine country in my area used to be known
especially for its Rieslings, and now I've forgotten what those
wines are now called.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any more
than Peeno noir. [1]

On further checking, I see that the wine once known as Hunter Valley
Riesling is now called Semillon. Apparently the original name was an
accidental mislabelling.

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you
remind me what sherry is called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

Never seen any of those in Europe.
Also transport costs, I guess.
But perhaps the Brits will drink it.

Post by Peter Moylan
It's still possible to buy sherry from Spain or port from Portugal, but
because of transport costs they don't compete well.

Does calling it 'solera' mean it has been made by the solera process,
or is that just another word on the label?

Jan

Peter Moylan

2021-05-27 09:47:10 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
Port here (red) is a very different drink from sherry (white). Because
of new labelling laws, both have been renamed. Australian sherry is now
called solera or apera. Australian port is now Tawny or Ruby fortified.

Never seen any of those in Europe.
Also transport costs, I guess.
But perhaps the Brits will drink it.

Post by Peter Moylan
It's still possible to buy sherry from Spain or port from Portugal, but
because of transport costs they don't compete well.

Does calling it 'solera' mean it has been made by the solera process,
or is that just another word on the label?

Sorry, I don't know. I got the solera name from a Wikiparticle. The
label on the bottle says apera.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

occam

2021-05-27 06:45:53 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is
in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in
this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for any
similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my youth,
even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any more than
Peeno noir. [1]

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-05-27 07:17:05 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is
in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in
this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for any
similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my youth,
even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any more than
Peeno noir. [1]

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I wonder if Quinn has ever tasted sherry and/or port. They are
completely different. It's like saying that pork from the Grand Banks
is called cod.

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

Lewis

2021-05-27 07:53:23 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I wonder if Quinn has ever tasted sherry and/or port. They are
completely different. It's like saying that pork from the Grand Banks
is called cod.

Not quite that different, but no one would ever confuse a port for a
sherry, that is for sure. This thread has caused me to go get some port.

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Honky Rock. A one, two, a one, two, three, four.

Paul Wolff

2021-05-27 08:08:38 UTC

Post by Lewis

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I wonder if Quinn has ever tasted sherry and/or port. They are
completely different. It's like saying that pork from the Grand Banks
is called cod.

Not quite that different, but no one would ever confuse a port for a
sherry, that is for sure. This thread has caused me to go get some port.

There are white ports as well as reds. Some work well as aperitifs, as
do many sherries.

--
Paul

Quinn C

2021-05-27 14:26:24 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is
in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in
this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for any
similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my youth,
even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any more than
Peeno noir. [1]

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I wonder if Quinn has ever tasted sherry and/or port. They are
completely different. It's like saying that pork from the Grand Banks
is called cod.

I wonder if Athel has ever tasted pork and/or cod, to come up with such
a ridiculous comparison.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

Sam Plusnet

2021-05-27 20:45:51 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is
in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in
this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for any
similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my youth,
even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any more than
Peeno noir. [1]

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I wonder if Quinn has ever tasted sherry and/or port. They are
completely different. It's like saying that pork from the Grand Banks is
called cod.

I recently bought a bottle of sherry, somewhat at random.
The best way I can categorise it would be to call it a dessert wine -
someone suggested it would go very well with Christmas pud and that's
about right.

Gonzalez Byass Nectar Pedro Ximenez.

--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK

Paul Carmichael

2021-05-28 07:53:27 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
I recently bought a bottle of sherry, somewhat at random.
The best way I can categorise it would be to call it a dessert wine -
someone suggested it would go very well with Christmas pud and that's
about right.
Gonzalez Byass Nectar Pedro Ximenez.

There are loads of products here labelled Pedro Ximénez.

Some very tasty beef, for instance

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

musika

2021-05-30 18:53:47 UTC

There are loads of products here labelled Pedro Ximénez.
Some very tasty beef, for instance

In this case Pedro Ximénez is the name of the grape.

Pamela

2021-05-27 23:04:33 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac
is in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then,
in this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for
any similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my
youth, even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Yes, these old names stick in one's mind. We've never called
non-French brandy cognac in Australia, but there have been a
number of other cases where "appelation controllÃ©e" has upset
our naming customs. The wine country in my area used to be known
especially for its Rieslings, and now I've forgotten what those
wines are now called.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any
more than Peeno noir. [1]

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can
you remind me what sherry is called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from
the Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its
origins to Porto (PT).

I wonder if Quinn has ever tasted sherry and/or port. They are
completely different. It's like saying that pork from the Grand
Banks is called cod.

I would tend to agree. I don't know what passes for sherry and port
outside Europe but, apart from being fortified wines, they are quite
different.

Tak To

2021-05-30 18:30:56 UTC

Post by Quinn C
Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I wonder if Quinn has ever tasted sherry and/or port. They are
completely different. It's like saying that pork from the Grand Banks
is called cod.

I think Quinn is joking. Surely anyone can tell from the color
that Sherry is made from white grapes (without skin?) and Port
is made from red grapes (with skin).

On a second thought, perhaps occam and ACB are joking as well.
In that case, sorry for spoiling the fun.

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-05-30 18:41:49 UTC

Post by Tak To

Post by Quinn C
Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I wonder if Quinn has ever tasted sherry and/or port. They are
completely different. It's like saying that pork from the Grand Banks
is called cod.

I think Quinn is joking.

I doubt it. Others have claimed that Quinn has a sense of humour, but I
haven't detected it.

Post by Tak To
Surely anyone can tell from the color
that Sherry is made from white grapes (without skin?) and Port
is made from red grapes (with skin).

Well, I don't think there is red sherry, but there is certainly white
port. I didn't like it when I tried it, but that's not the point: who
cares what I like?

Post by Tak To
On a second thought, perhaps occam and ACB are joking as well.
In that case, sorry for spoiling the fun.

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

Sam Plusnet

2021-05-30 19:56:30 UTC

Post by Tak To

Post by Quinn C
Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I wonder if Quinn has ever tasted sherry and/or port. They are
completely different. It's like saying that pork from the Grand Banks
is called cod.

I think Quinn is joking.

I doubt it. Others have claimed that Quinn has a sense of humour, but I
haven't detected it.

Post by Tak To
Surely anyone can tell from the color
that Sherry is made from white grapes (without skin?) and Port
is made from red grapes (with skin).

Well, I don't think there is red sherry, but there is certainly white
port. I didn't like it when I tried it, but that's not the point: who
cares what I like?

The sherry I mentioned upthread (& off a bit to the left) is practically
the same shade as coca cola (without the bubbles).
But I've never encountered another sherry with anything like that colour.

--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK

Quinn C

2021-05-30 20:40:06 UTC

Post by Tak To

Post by Quinn C
Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I wonder if Quinn has ever tasted sherry and/or port. They are
completely different. It's like saying that pork from the Grand Banks
is called cod.

I think Quinn is joking. Surely anyone can tell from the color
that Sherry is made from white grapes (without skin?) and Port
is made from red grapes (with skin).
On a second thought, perhaps occam and ACB are joking as well.
In that case, sorry for spoiling the fun.

And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
"wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.

There's even "cherry wine" etc. The difference between grape wine and
cherry wine is more significant than that between sherry and port.

In "sherry from Portugal", "sherry" is shorthand for "sherry-like
drink", similarly to "wine" in "cherry wine".

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

Peter Moylan

2021-05-31 02:07:12 UTC

Post by Quinn C
And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
"wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.

The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Lewis

2021-05-31 05:21:52 UTC

Post by Quinn C
And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
"wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.

The slang term "plonk"

It's the imaginary sound made by a user being thrown into the bit
bucket,

Post by Peter Moylan
comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.

Oh, THAT plonk.

--
he'd moved like music, like someone dancing to a rhythm inside his
head. And his face for a moment in the moonlight was the skull of
an angel...

charles

2021-05-31 07:52:50 UTC

Post by Quinn C
And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
"wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.

The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.

no, that's "kangarouge"

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

J. J. Lodder

2021-05-31 09:17:17 UTC

Post by Quinn C
And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
"wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.

The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.

no, that's "kangarouge"

Only Brits are poor enough, I think, to have
bad Australian wine shipped halfway round the globe.
Never seen any bad Australian wine in the EU,
in my very limited experience of course.

Conversely, French wineries were often stuck in poor traditions,
until they imported Australian know-how to learn to do better.
Some Australians have half year jobs, for two harvests,
autumn in France, next autumn in Australia.

The Chateau Migraine has largely disappeared too,

Jan

Pamela

2021-05-31 10:38:27 UTC

Post by Quinn C
And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white
varieties "wine". If those had different names to start with,
I'd agree.

The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've
most often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.

no, that's "kangarouge"

Only Brits are poor enough, I think, to have bad Australian wine
shipped halfway round the globe. Never seen any bad Australian wine
in the EU, in my very limited experience of course.
Conversely, French wineries were often stuck in poor traditions,
until they imported Australian know-how to learn to do better. Some
Australians have half year jobs, for two harvests, autumn in France,
next autumn in Australia.
The Chateau Migraine has largely disappeared too,
Jan

To generalise, Australian wines are well suited for quaffing with
friends on a hot day but their fruitness can overpower most foods.
They go with pizza.

Perhaps the expensive Ozzie wines you mention are more subtle.

bruce bowser

2021-05-31 13:57:31 UTC

Post by Quinn C
And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
"wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.

The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.

no, that's "kangarouge"

Only Brits are poor enough, I think, to have
bad Australian wine shipped halfway round the globe.

Heard of California? Even New York?

Peter Moylan

2021-06-01 00:49:02 UTC

Post by Quinn C
And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white
varieties "wine". If those had different names to start with,
I'd agree.

The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've
most often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.

no, that's "kangarouge"

Only Brits are poor enough, I think, to have bad Australian wine
shipped halfway round the globe.

Heard of California? Even New York?

Yes. When I was in California I drank German wines. At the time all
Califormian wines were far too sweet for my taste. I don't know whether
it's changed since then.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Paul Carmichael

2021-05-27 11:20:49 UTC

Post by occam
'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I think Jerez de la Frontera was actually founded by Brits that made
sherry.

The Spanish word for sherry is jerez.

The town is famous for sherry, horses and motorcycle racing.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

occam

2021-05-27 13:02:56 UTC

Post by occam
'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I think Jerez de la Frontera was actually founded by Brits that made
sherry.

Sherry from Jerez, port from Porto. The lengths the Brits went to, to
get a drink... shocking.

Post by Paul Carmichael
The Spanish word for sherry is jerez.
The town is famous for sherry, horses and motorcycle racing.

Pamela

2021-05-27 23:05:28 UTC

Post by occam
'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from
the Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its
origins to Porto (PT).

I think Jerez de la Frontera was actually founded by Brits that
made sherry.

Sherry from Jerez, port from Porto. The lengths the Brits went to,
to get a drink... shocking.

India Pale Ale from India? No, hold on, that's the wrong way around.

:)

charles

2021-05-28 07:05:05 UTC

Post by occam
'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from
the Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its
origins to Porto (PT).

I think Jerez de la Frontera was actually founded by Brits that
made sherry.

Sherry from Jerez, port from Porto. The lengths the Brits went to,
to get a drink... shocking.

India Pale Ale from India? No, hold on, that's the wrong way around.
:)

Indeed ...TO India

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Ian Jackson

2021-05-28 22:28:45 UTC

Post by occam
'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from
the Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its
origins to Porto (PT).

I think Jerez de la Frontera was actually founded by Brits that
made sherry.

Sherry from Jerez, port from Porto. The lengths the Brits went to,
to get a drink... shocking.

India Pale Ale from India? No, hold on, that's the wrong way around.
:)

Indeed ...TO India

I was led to believe that ISP was a stronger-than-normal beer (around 7%
ABV) in order to ensure that it didn't 'go off' on the long voyage from
Britain to India. These days, it's not unusual to see it as low as 4%.

--
Ian

Ian Jackson

2021-05-28 22:36:29 UTC

Post by occam
'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from
the Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its
origins to Porto (PT).

I think Jerez de la Frontera was actually founded by Brits that
made sherry.

Sherry from Jerez, port from Porto. The lengths the Brits went to,
to get a drink... shocking.

India Pale Ale from India? No, hold on, that's the wrong way around.
:)

Indeed ...TO India

I was led to believe that ISP was a stronger-than-normal beer (around
7% ABV) in order to ensure that it didn't 'go off' on the long voyage
from Britain to India. These days, it's not unusual to see it as low as
4%.

Bugger!!!
ISP? I meant IPA (which I'm sure is what I typed!).

--
Ian

Kerr-Mudd, John

2021-05-29 08:17:45 UTC

On Fri, 28 May 2021 23:36:29 +0100
[maybe]

Post by Pamela
India Pale Ale from India? No, hold on, that's the wrong way around.
:)

Indeed ...TO India

I was led to believe that ISP was a stronger-than-normal beer (around
7% ABV) in order to ensure that it didn't 'go off' on the long voyage
from Britain to India. These days, it's not unusual to see it as low as
4%.

That's just abuse of the phrase; Greene King "IPA" is even worse at 3.6%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greene_King#Greene_King

An IPA has to be at least 5.5% in my book.

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/138/86959/
(SN IPA 6.1%)

Post by Ian Jackson
Bugger!!!
ISP? I meant IPA (which I'm sure is what I typed!).

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

J. J. Lodder

2021-05-29 14:32:39 UTC

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Fri, 28 May 2021 23:36:29 +0100
[maybe]

Post by Pamela
India Pale Ale from India? No, hold on, that's the wrong way around.
:)

Indeed ...TO India

I was led to believe that ISP was a stronger-than-normal beer (around
7% ABV) in order to ensure that it didn't 'go off' on the long voyage
from Britain to India. These days, it's not unusual to see it as low as
4%.

That's just abuse of the phrase; Greene King "IPA" is even worse at 3.6%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greene_King#Greene_King
An IPA has to be at least 5.5% in my book.
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/138/86959/
(SN IPA 6.1%)

Unless it is at 0.0%
'Brand' (the oldest Dutch brewery still in existence)
makes an IPA at 7%, and a very similar one 0,0%
They can be mixed to give any concentration you might want,

Jan

bruce bowser

2021-05-29 15:22:03 UTC

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Fri, 28 May 2021 23:36:29 +0100
[maybe]

Post by Pamela
India Pale Ale from India? No, hold on, that's the wrong way around.
:)

Indeed ...TO India

I was led to believe that ISP was a stronger-than-normal beer (around
7% ABV) in order to ensure that it didn't 'go off' on the long voyage
from Britain to India. These days, it's not unusual to see it as low as
4%.

That's just abuse of the phrase; Greene King "IPA" is even worse at 3.6%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greene_King#Greene_King
An IPA has to be at least 5.5% in my book.
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/138/86959/
(SN IPA 6.1%)

Unless it is at 0.0%
'Brand' (the oldest Dutch brewery still in existence)
makes an IPA at 7%, and a very similar one 0,0%

There is no similarity in that. Kiddie drinks can never be the same as a 7% 14 proof.

Quinn C

2021-05-29 16:48:23 UTC

Post by occam
'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from
the Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its
origins to Porto (PT).

I think Jerez de la Frontera was actually founded by Brits that
made sherry.

Sherry from Jerez, port from Porto. The lengths the Brits went to,
to get a drink... shocking.

India Pale Ale from India? No, hold on, that's the wrong way around.
:)

Indeed ...TO India

I was led to believe that ISP was a stronger-than-normal beer (around
7% ABV) in order to ensure that it didn't 'go off' on the long voyage
from Britain to India. These days, it's not unusual to see it as low as
4%.

Bugger!!!
ISP? I meant IPA (which I'm sure is what I typed!).

Autocorrect?

Our local McAuslan brewery - which opens its terrace again this weekend,
after being closed all last year - makes an IPA, which has 6.2% alcohol,
a double IPA (8%) and a session IPA (4.5%).

My understanding of what makes an IPA is lots of hops, and I thought
that's what makes them keep longer, too. That's certainly why they're
most of my preferred kinds of beer (good Pilsner is hard to get here).
One other large local brand doesn't make IPA, but my favorite from them
is simply called "Hops" (their Pilsner isn't good, like most).

--
The least questioned assumptions are often the most questionable
-- Paul Broca
... who never questioned that men are more intelligent than women

Mack A. Damia

2021-05-27 23:47:28 UTC

Post by occam
'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I think Jerez de la Frontera was actually founded by Brits that made
sherry.

Sherry from Jerez, port from Porto. The lengths the Brits went to, to
get a drink... shocking.

And "Porter" from its popularity with men who carried things for
others.

Quinn C

2021-05-27 14:26:24 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is
in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in
this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for any
similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my youth,
even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any more than
Peeno noir. [1]

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I sense a severe lack of mental elasticity. If a guest asked you for
Sherry, and you hadn't any Sherry in the house, do you think the replies
"I don't have any Sherry, how about Scotch?" and "I don't have any
Sherry, how about Port?" are equally reasonable?

I have no problem knowing the exact definition of Sherry and still using
it generically when that's useful.

It was already mentioned that Cognac, the name of the most famous
brandy, is sometimes used generically for all (grape) brandy.
Likewise, Sherry is the most famous fortified wine, so the name is
sometimes used generically for all fortified wine. Port is famous enough
that the above sentence probably wouldn't happen in the wild - it was
designed to make the underlying process more visible - but I've heard
people come back from Cyprus and saying that they bought "some of the
local Sherry, I don't remember what it's called." Commandaria, actually,
but I had to look that up again.

I honestly expected that to the informed reader, my seven word comment
to PM would express all that already.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

Pamela

2021-05-27 23:16:41 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac
is in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then,
in this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for
any similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my
youth, even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Yes, these old names stick in one's mind. We've never called
non-French brandy cognac in Australia, but there have been a
number of other cases where "appelation controllée" has upset our
naming customs. The wine country in my area used to be known
especially for its Rieslings, and now I've forgotten what those
wines are now called.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any
more than Peeno noir. [1]

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can
you remind me what sherry is called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from
the Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its
origins to Porto (PT).

I haven't come across that usage in the UK. Even when buying in a
supermarket, sherry is something quite specific. Same goes for Cognac.
Perhaps your usage is similar to the usage of "Coke" for any cola.

Post by Quinn C
Port is famous enough that the above sentence probably wouldn't
happen in the wild - it was designed to make the underlying process
more visible - but I've heard people come back from Cyprus and
saying that they bought "some of the local Sherry, I don't remember
what it's called." Commandaria, actually, but I had to look that up
again.

Maybe they could also call it "schnapps" which has come to be applied to
syrup-sweetened alcohol with added flavourings, as opposed to the drink
it tries to imitate.

I suppose it's like being in Thailand and being served "champagne" by the
locals, which is not going to be champagne. Perhaps these incorrect names
are a combination of distance, ignorance and affordability.

Peter Moylan

2021-05-28 04:30:51 UTC

Post by Pamela
I suppose it's like being in Thailand and being served "champagne" by
the locals, which is not going to be champagne. Perhaps these
incorrect names are a combination of distance, ignorance and
affordability.

Distance, certainly. When a new colleague arrived in our department from
China, he invited my wife and me to dinner. As we sat down, he said
"Would you like some wine?", and produced a bottle of sherry.

Of course politeness forbade us from saying anything, but it really
didn't go with the food.

I should add that that was years ago. Apparently today's Chinese are
used to drinking wine, and even produce some domestically.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

occam

2021-05-28 05:58:38 UTC

Distance, certainly. When a new colleague arrived in our department from
China, he invited my wife and me to dinner. As we sat down, he said
"Would you like some wine?", and produced a bottle of sherry.
Of course politeness forbade us from saying anything, but it really
didn't go with the food.
I should add that that was years ago. Apparently today's Chinese are
used to drinking wine, and even produce some domestically.

Not only domestically, but also in France. There have been news stories
in the recent past of Chinese businessmen buying ('investing in') quite
a few vineyards in France. The motivation may not only be in owning
well established wines but also fast-tracking the uptake of viniculture
in China.

Here is just one example:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/06/world/europe/france-china-wine.html

Quinn C

2021-05-28 14:07:29 UTC

Post by Quinn C
It was already mentioned that Cognac, the name of the most famous
brandy, is sometimes used generically for all (grape) brandy.
Likewise, Sherry is the most famous fortified wine, so the name is
sometimes used generically for all fortified wine.

Or like calling both Scotch and Bourbon "whisky"?

Post by Pamela
I suppose it's like being in Thailand and being served "champagne" by the
locals, which is not going to be champagne. Perhaps these incorrect names
are a combination of distance, ignorance and affordability.

"Champagne" is just one of many subgroups of sparkling wine. If you
insist on distinguish it, you shouldn't conflate Sekt and Cava, either.
But those don't have the same level of branding power behind them.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

Pamela

2021-05-29 12:28:18 UTC

I haven't come across that usage in the UK. Even when buying in a
supermarket, sherry is something quite specific. Same goes for
Cognac. Perhaps your usage is similar to the usage of "Coke" for
any cola.

Or like calling both Scotch and Bourbon "whisky"?

Post by Pamela
I suppose it's like being in Thailand and being served "champagne"
by the locals, which is not going to be champagne. Perhaps these
incorrect names are a combination of distance, ignorance and
affordability.

"Champagne" is just one of many subgroups of sparkling wine. If you
insist on distinguish it, you shouldn't conflate Sekt and Cava,
either. But those don't have the same level of branding power behind
them.

Champagne is a sparkling white wine from Champagne. It could hardly be
simpler.

charles

2021-05-29 12:54:57 UTC

I haven't come across that usage in the UK. Even when buying in a
supermarket, sherry is something quite specific. Same goes for
Cognac. Perhaps your usage is similar to the usage of "Coke" for
any cola.

Or like calling both Scotch and Bourbon "whisky"?

Post by Pamela
I suppose it's like being in Thailand and being served "champagne"
by the locals, which is not going to be champagne. Perhaps these
incorrect names are a combination of distance, ignorance and
affordability.

"Champagne" is just one of many subgroups of sparkling wine. If you
insist on distinguish it, you shouldn't conflate Sekt and Cava,
either. But those don't have the same level of branding power behind
them.

Champagne is a sparkling white wine from Champagne. It could hardly be
simpler.

naturally sparkling, not with added sparkle.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Quinn C

2021-05-30 02:00:10 UTC

Post by Quinn C
"Champagne" is just one of many subgroups of sparkling wine. If you
insist on distinguish it, you shouldn't conflate Sekt and Cava,
either. But those don't have the same level of branding power behind
them.

Champagne is a sparkling white wine from Champagne. It could hardly be
simpler.

naturally sparkling, not with added sparkle.

I haven't heard of wine with added sparkle. Sekt, Cava, Prosecco, Asti,
Crémant all have natural sparkle, and most of them are actually produced
with the méthode champenoise. So are many American sparkling wines.

--
The need of a personal pronoun of the singular number and common
gender is so desperate, urgent, imperative, that ... it should long
since have grown on our speech -- The Atlantic Monthly (1878)

bruce bowser

2021-05-30 14:22:48 UTC

Champagne is a sparkling white wine from Champagne. It could hardly be
simpler.

naturally sparkling, not with added sparkle.

I haven't heard of wine with added sparkle. Sekt, Cava, Prosecco, Asti,
Crémant

and Pét-Nat ?

Post by Quinn C
all have natural sparkle, and most of them are actually produced with
the méthode champenoise. So are many American sparkling wines.
--
The need of a personal pronoun of the singular number and common
gender is so desperate, urgent, imperative, that ... it should long
since have grown on our speech -- The Atlantic Monthly (1878)

bruce bowser

2021-05-30 14:29:24 UTC

Champagne is a sparkling white wine from Champagne. It could hardly be
simpler.

naturally sparkling, not with added sparkle.

I haven't heard of wine with added sparkle. Sekt, Cava, Prosecco, Asti,
Crémant

and Pét-Nat ?

Also spelled Pet Matt, I think.

Jerry Friedman

2021-05-30 19:43:56 UTC

Champagne is a sparkling white wine from Champagne. It could hardly be
simpler.

naturally sparkling, not with added sparkle.

Apparently adding CO2 is called sparging, and according to Wikipedia,
it's just done for a slight effervescence.

On another subject, "champagne", "sherry" and some other terms may be
used on U.S. wine labels if the labels have been in use continuously since
March 10, 2006. The people from Champagne weren't happy with this
compromise.

https://vinepair.com/wine-blog/loophole-california-champagne-legal/

--
Jerry Friedman

J. J. Lodder

2021-05-30 20:14:38 UTC

Champagne is a sparkling white wine from Champagne. It could hardly be
simpler.

naturally sparkling, not with added sparkle.

Apparently adding CO2 is called sparging, and according to Wikipedia,
it's just done for a slight effervescence.
On another subject, "champagne", "sherry" and some other terms may be
used on U.S. wine labels if the labels have been in use continuously since
March 10, 2006. The people from Champagne weren't happy with this
compromise.
https://vinepair.com/wine-blog/loophole-california-champagne-legal/

They yielded to the quite reasonable American arguments though,
like the threat of an all out trade war
involving a complete import ban,

Jan

Sam Plusnet

2021-05-30 20:04:46 UTC

Champagne is a sparkling white wine from Champagne. It could hardly be
simpler.

naturally sparkling, not with added sparkle.

Quite a few wines are produced by the Charmat method (aka cuve close)
because it offers lower costs.

Wikipedia suggests it is "widely used in the U.S., in Italy, especially
in the Asti province, and in Prosecco wines, and in Germany to produce
cheap variants of Sekt."

--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK

bruce bowser

2021-05-28 14:36:26 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac
is in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then,
in this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for
any similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my
youth, even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Yes, these old names stick in one's mind. We've never called
non-French brandy cognac in Australia, but there have been a
number of other cases where "appelation controllée" has upset our
naming customs. The wine country in my area used to be known
especially for its Rieslings, and now I've forgotten what those
wines are now called.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any
more than Peeno noir. [1]

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can
you remind me what sherry is called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from
the Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its
origins to Porto (PT).

Maybe they could also call it "schnapps" which has come to be applied to
syrup-sweetened alcohol with added flavourings, as opposed to the drink
it tries to imitate.
I suppose it's like being in Thailand and being served "champagne" by the
locals, which is not going to be champagne. Perhaps these incorrect names
are a combination of distance, ignorance and affordability.

Sparkling wine is frequently confused with Cava, Sekt and Prosecco.

Jerry Friedman

2021-05-30 19:05:29 UTC

...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

Yes. What would be unreasonable would be "Yes, here's some port."

Post by Quinn C
I have no problem knowing the exact definition of Sherry and still using
it generically when that's useful.
It was already mentioned that Cognac, the name of the most famous
brandy, is sometimes used generically for all (grape) brandy.
Likewise, Sherry is the most famous fortified wine, so the name is
sometimes used generically for all fortified wine. Port is famous enough
that the above sentence probably wouldn't happen in the wild - it was
designed to make the underlying process more visible - but I've heard
people come back from Cyprus and saying that they bought "some of the
local Sherry, I don't remember what it's called." Commandaria, actually,
but I had to look that up again.

Is Commandaria like sweet sherry?

Post by Quinn C
I honestly expected that to the informed reader, my seven word comment
to PM would express all that already.

"Sherry from Portugal is called Port" is a long way from saying "the local
sherry" when you don't remember the name or just want to describe it without
naming it.

--
Jerry Friedman

J. J. Lodder

2021-05-30 20:04:11 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

Yes. What would be unreasonable would be "Yes, here's some port."

Is Commandaria like sweet sherry?

Post by Quinn C
I honestly expected that to the informed reader, my seven word comment
to PM would express all that already.

"Sherry from Portugal is called Port" is a long way from saying "the local
sherry" when you don't remember the name or just want to describe it without
naming it.

"Sherry from Portugal" is a contradiction in terms.
(unless you are in an advanced stage of dementia)

Jan

Quinn C

2021-05-30 20:40:07 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

Yes.

Then we have very different ideas about drinking preferenes.

Post by Quinn C
- but I've heard
people come back from Cyprus and saying that they bought "some of the
local Sherry, I don't remember what it's called." Commandaria, actually,
but I had to look that up again.

Is Commandaria like sweet sherry?

I wouldn't know; the anecdote happened at a time when I wasn't yet
drinking any alcohol.

Post by Quinn C
I honestly expected that to the informed reader, my seven word comment
to PM would express all that already.

"Sherry from Portugal is called Port" is a long way from saying "the local
sherry" when you don't remember the name or just want to describe it without
naming it.

"Sherry from Portugal" is "the local sherry" in Portugal. I don't see
the difference.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

Jerry Friedman

2021-05-30 21:55:23 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

'Sherry' is not as generic a name as you think. It originates from the
Spanish town of Jerez (ES). Not unlike 'Port' which traces its origins
to Porto (PT).

I sense a severe lack of mental elasticity.

May I offer some unsolicited advice? It usually seems rude and pointless
to suggest what shortcoming explains somebody's supposed mistake.

Post by Quinn C
If a guest asked you for
Sherry, and you hadn't any Sherry in the house, do you think the replies
"I don't have any Sherry, how about Scotch?" and "I don't have any
Sherry, how about Port?" are equally reasonable?

Yes.

Then we have very different ideas about drinking preferenes.

It depends on what one has available. If the only other choices are ten
kinds of beer and a bottle of vodka, offering Scotch sounds reasonable.

But no one would say, "If you'd like sherry, I have cream sherry, oloroso,
ruby port, and vermouth."

Is Commandaria like sweet sherry?

I wouldn't know; the anecdote happened at a time when I wasn't yet
drinking any alcohol.

Maybe it's a lot like sherry, and that explains the comment. The internet
knows about people who think there's a resemblance, and one site says
St. John's Commandaria is blended with a solera.

http://passionatefoodie.blogspot.com/2016/10/a-taste-of-cyprus-at-committee.html

Post by Quinn C
I honestly expected that to the informed reader, my seven word comment
to PM would express all that already.

"Sherry from Portugal is called Port" is a long way from saying "the local
sherry" when you don't remember the name or just want to describe it without
naming it.

"Sherry from Portugal" is "the local sherry" in Portugal. I don't see
the difference.

As far as I know, nobody calls port "sherry from Portugal" or "the local
sherry" with reference to Portugal, except maybe as a joke. That's why
"sherry" isn't a generic term for fortified wine.

It's different for Commandaria because it's less well known, so people could
forget the name or want to explain it, and because Commandaria seems to
have more resemblances to sherry.

--
Jerry Friedman might not be able to tell port from sherry with his eyes closed.

Pamela

2021-05-31 10:19:12 UTC

Post by Quinn C
I honestly expected that to the informed reader, my seven word
comment to PM would express all that already.

"Sherry from Portugal is called Port" is a long way from saying "the
local sherry" when you don't remember the name or just want to
describe it without naming it.

I agree. Sherry and port may both be fortified wines from the same part
of Europe but that's as far as the similarity goes.

I'm definitely no wine snob and never spend time trying to detect
esoteric inner qualities; however I can easily tell the difference
between sherry and port.

bruce bowser

2021-05-27 07:54:22 UTC

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is
in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in
this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

Can champagne? Can Camembert or Brie? It's partly by convention,
partly by law that these questions are answered. "Cognac" for any
similar kind of brandy was pretty common in the German of my youth,
even though it wasn't allowed on the label.

Riesling is a grape variety, so it shouldn't be controlled any more than
Peeno noir. [1]

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

Depends. Sherry from Portugal is called port.

So are most other goods from there.

bil...@shaw.ca

2021-05-30 23:42:43 UTC

...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

When I searched for "Commandaria" "like sherry" for another comment, one
of Google's "People also ask" questions was "What is Sherry called now?"

Wasn't the Commandaria killed during Don Giovanni?

bill

Jerry Friedman

2021-05-30 23:54:40 UTC

...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

When I searched for "Commandaria" "like sherry" for another comment, one
of Google's "People also ask" questions was "What is Sherry called now?"

Wasn't the Commandaria killed during Don Giovanni?

I think you're thinking of the Commendatoreador.

--
Jerry Friedman

bil...@shaw.ca

2021-05-31 02:18:21 UTC

...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

When I searched for "Commandaria" "like sherry" for another comment, one
of Google's "People also ask" questions was "What is Sherry called now?"

Wasn't the Commandaria killed during Don Giovanni?

I think you're thinking of the Commendatoreador.

As Monty Hall used to say, "Picador".

bill

CDB

2021-05-31 11:24:07 UTC

Peter Moylan wrote: ...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once I've gone into a bottle shop and asked
"Can you remind me what sherry is called now?"

When I searched for "Commandaria" "like sherry" for another
comment, one of Google's "People also ask" questions was "What
is Sherry called now?"

Wasn't the Commandaria killed during Don Giovanni?

I think you're thinking of the Commendatoreador.

As Monty Hall used to say, "Picador".

That's a rabbit that will shock you. What's a Sailor Moon?

Mack A. Damia

2021-05-31 16:23:19 UTC

Post by CDB

Peter Moylan wrote: ...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once I've gone into a bottle shop and asked
"Can you remind me what sherry is called now?"

When I searched for "Commandaria" "like sherry" for another
comment, one of Google's "People also ask" questions was "What
is Sherry called now?"

Wasn't the Commandaria killed during Don Giovanni?

I think you're thinking of the Commendatoreador.

As Monty Hall used to say, "Picador".

That's a rabbit that will shock you. What's a Sailor Moon?

A pressed ham at the porthole. Who's in the barrel tonight?

CDB

2021-06-01 12:23:05 UTC

Post by Mack A. Damia

Post by CDB

Peter Moylan wrote: ...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once I've gone into a bottle shop and asked
"Can you remind me what sherry is called now?"

When I searched for "Commandaria" "like sherry" for another
comment, one of Google's "People also ask" questions was
"What is Sherry called now?"

Wasn't the Commandaria killed during Don Giovanni?

I think you're thinking of the Commendatoreador.

As Monty Hall used to say, "Picador".

That's a rabbit that will shock you. What's a Sailor Moon?

A pressed ham at the porthole. Who's in the barrel tonight?

We won't know for certain till we open it. What's an erwin?

bil...@shaw.ca

2021-06-01 05:24:43 UTC

Peter Moylan wrote: ...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once I've gone into a bottle shop and asked
"Can you remind me what sherry is called now?"

When I searched for "Commandaria" "like sherry" for another
comment, one of Google's "People also ask" questions was "What
is Sherry called now?"

Wasn't the Commandaria killed during Don Giovanni?

I think you're thinking of the Commendatoreador.

As Monty Hall used to say, "Picador".

That's a rabbit that will shock you. What's a Sailor Moon?

All those who fail to avert their eyes. What's an anime, eh?

bill

Jerry Friedman

2021-05-31 16:03:25 UTC

...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

When I searched for "Commandaria" "like sherry" for another comment, one
of Google's "People also ask" questions was "What is Sherry called now?"

Wasn't the Commandaria killed during Don Giovanni?

I think you're thinking of the Commendatoreador.

As Monty Hall used to say, "Picador".

Love those a.u.e. bull sessions.

--
Jerry Friedman

Quinn C

2021-05-31 17:08:17 UTC

...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

When I searched for "Commandaria" "like sherry" for another comment, one
of Google's "People also ask" questions was "What is Sherry called now?"

Wasn't the Commandaria killed during Don Giovanni?

I think you're thinking of the Commendatoreador.

I think you're thinking of the Carmentoreador.

--
In one corner we have Escapillow the Toreador, weighing 240 pounds. In
the other corner Don Schmosé, dressed up as the bull, weighing 32 pounds

Sam Plusnet

2021-05-31 19:10:11 UTC

...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

When I searched for "Commandaria" "like sherry" for another comment, one
of Google's "People also ask" questions was "What is Sherry called now?"

Wasn't the Commandaria killed during Don Giovanni?

I think you're thinking of the Commendatoreador.

I think you're thinking of the Carmentoreador.

A close relative of CarmentothegardenMaud.

--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK

Peter Moylan

2021-06-01 00:52:50 UTC

...

Post by Peter Moylan
And more than once
I've gone into a bottle shop and asked "Can you remind me what sherry is
called now?"

When I searched for "Commandaria" "like sherry" for another comment, one
of Google's "People also ask" questions was "What is Sherry called now?"

Wasn't the Commandaria killed during Don Giovanni?

I think you're thinking of the Commendatoreador.

I think you're thinking of the Carmentoreador.

Toreador, don't spit upon the floor
Use the cuspidor
That's what it's for.

(The French version of this is "Toréador, ton cul n'est pas en or": your
arse is not made of gold. An interesting commentary on a neighbouring
country where toreadors are much admired.)

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Paul Carmichael

2021-05-27 11:17:39 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is in
France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in this
poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than French?

Brandy in Spanish is coñac.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-05-27 05:35:25 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question.

Yes, but this is from Bruce Bowser: what do you expect? Why bother with him?

Post by Paul Wolff
Cognac is in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then,
in this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than French?

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

bruce bowser

2021-05-27 08:07:37 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question.

Yes, but this is from Bruce Bowser: what do you expect? Why bother with him?

I know! Its like: Duh! What could you expect! Athel, you're a barrel of laughs.

Post by Paul Wolff
Cognac is in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then,
in this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than French?

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

Peter T. Daniels

2021-05-27 14:45:13 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question.

Yes, but this is from Bruce Bowser: what do you expect? Why bother with him?

I know! Its like: Duh! What could you expect! Athel, you're a barrel of laughs.

Athel is, among other things, a snob.

Many of his posts these days are just complaints saying that he doesn't
like other people who post.

Paul Wolff

2021-05-27 08:19:35 UTC

On Thu, 27 May 2021, at 07:35:25, Athel Cornish-Bowden

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question.

Yes, but this is from Bruce Bowser: what do you expect? Why bother with him?

A hangover. That is, a hangover from my former trade as a defender of
proprietary names and designations.

It just hadn't occurred to me that anyone does actually use 'Cognac' as
a generic term for brandy. I mean, why choose to get the name wrong? I
know it happens with many other names, so I really shouldn't have been
surprised, but it does debase the language to generify another
distinctive term and take away its usefulness.

Cognac is in France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How,
then, in this poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than
French?

--
Paul

J. J. Lodder

2021-05-27 08:52:05 UTC

Post by Paul Wolff
On Thu, 27 May 2021, at 07:35:25, Athel Cornish-Bowden

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac

That has all the appearances of a very silly question.

Yes, but this is from Bruce Bowser: what do you expect? Why bother with him?

A hangover. That is, a hangover from my former trade as a defender of
proprietary names and designations.
It just hadn't occurred to me that anyone does actually use 'Cognac' as
a generic term for brandy. I mean, why choose to get the name wrong? I
know it happens with many other names, so I really shouldn't have been
surprised, but it does debase the language to generify another
distinctive term and take away its usefulness.

'Cognac' was common in the Netherlands, long ago,
for clear alcohol with some brown suger, apricot juice,
or some other colorant added.

This was pre-EU of course,
and the same liquid is nowadays called 'Vieux'.
All major 'jenever' producers make it,

Jan

charles

2021-05-27 09:02:40 UTC

Post by Paul Wolff
On Thu, 27 May 2021, at 07:35:25, Athel Cornish-Bowden

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question.

Yes, but this is from Bruce Bowser: what do you expect? Why bother with him?

A hangover. That is, a hangover from my former trade as a defender of
proprietary names and designations.
It just hadn't occurred to me that anyone does actually use 'Cognac' as
a generic term for brandy. I mean, why choose to get the name wrong? I
know it happens with many other names, so I really shouldn't have been
surprised, but it does debase the language to generify another
distinctive term and take away its usefulness.

Hoover !

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Adam Funk

2021-05-27 10:22:52 UTC

Post by Paul Wolff
On Thu, 27 May 2021, at 07:35:25, Athel Cornish-Bowden

On Wed, 26 May 2021, at 13:55:48, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question.

Yes, but this is from Bruce Bowser: what do you expect? Why bother with him?

A hangover. That is, a hangover from my former trade as a defender of
proprietary names and designations.
It just hadn't occurred to me that anyone does actually use 'Cognac' as
a generic term for brandy. I mean, why choose to get the name wrong? I
know it happens with many other names, so I really shouldn't have been
surprised, but it does debase the language to generify another
distinctive term and take away its usefulness.

Hoover !

Dam it!

--
svn ci -m 'come back make, all is forgiven!' build.xml

bruce bowser

2021-05-27 07:50:59 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is in
France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in this
poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than French?

In a google search engine, there are you 158,000 searches for 'french cognac'. Plus, in some of the 1970's Euro movies, when they offer guests anything to drink, they sometimes say "French Cognac".

s***@my-deja.com

2021-05-27 09:01:24 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is in
France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in this
poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than French?
--
Paul

I believe that in Russia a similar product can be obtained with a similar name written
in Cyrillic script

J. J. Lodder

2021-05-27 09:14:40 UTC

Post by s***@my-deja.com

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

That has all the appearances of a very silly question. Cognac is in
France. It is French. Cognac brandy is French. How, then, in this
poster's thinking, can Cognac of any kind be other than French?

I believe that in Russia a similar product can be obtained with a similar
name written in Cyrillic script

Metaxa used to have one, with the Greek name transcribed as Koniak.
One of the classic Cognac houses bought the destillery,
and afaik the Greek 'Koniak' is no longer made,

Jan

bruce bowser

2021-05-27 08:36:52 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?
============================
Qui sont les plus gros acheteurs de cognac dans le monde ?
Le Figaro - Jan 31, 2018
-- https://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/2018/01/31/20002-20180131ARTFIG00331-qui-sont-les-plus-gros-acheteurs-de-cognac-dans-le-monde.php

There is no other Cognac. Cognac is brandy from the Cognac region of
France. If it is made anywhere else it is called brandy.

No way. In Montréal or any other french speaking city outside of France, you couldn't stop a Cognac maker from using that name.

bruce bowser

2021-05-27 08:38:07 UTC

There is no other Cognac. Cognac is brandy from the Cognac region of
France. If it is made anywhere else it is called brandy.

No way. In Montréal or any other french speaking city outside of France, you couldn't stop a Cognac maker from using that name.

J. J. Lodder

2021-05-27 09:05:38 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac

Post by bruce bowser
============================
Qui sont les plus gros acheteurs de cognac dans le monde ?
Le Figaro - Jan 31, 2018
-- https://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/2018/01/31/20002-20180131ARTFIG0033

1-qui-sont-les-plus-gros-acheteurs-de-cognac-dans-le-monde.php

There is no other Cognac. Cognac is brandy from the Cognac region of
France. If it is made anywhere else it is called brandy.

No way. In Montréal or any other french speaking city outside of France,
you couldn't stop a Cognac maker from using that name.

You couldn't, the EU can,

Jan

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-05-27 09:59:57 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac

1-qui-sont-les-plus-gros-acheteurs-de-cognac-dans-le-monde.php

There is no other Cognac. Cognac is brandy from the Cognac region of
France. If it is made anywhere else it is called brandy.

No way. In Montréal or any other french speaking city outside of France,
you couldn't stop a Cognac maker from using that name.

You couldn't, the EU can,

and does, vigorously.

In the past you could buy champaña in Chile, but now you can't.
Likewise Babycham in the UK.

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

bruce bowser

2021-05-29 15:29:31 UTC

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 27 May 2021 11:19:30 -0700 (PDT), trader_4

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 27 May 2021 01:38:57 -0700 (PDT), bruce

Post by bruce bowser
What is the actual taste difference between French Cognac and other Cognac?

If you get a liquid/solid modem, there is rather expensive software that
will analyse the tastes of the two and you can compare the two analyses
manually or with a text comparer.

There is no other Cognac. Cognac is brandy from the Cognac region of
France. If it is made anywhere else it is called brandy.

No way. In Montréal or any other french speaking city outside of France, you couldn't stop a Cognac maker from using that name.

Are you sure of that? Why would French-speaking cities be different
from towns and rural areas or from non-French-speaking places?
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-difference-between-cognac-and-brandy-drinks-2018-9
I wonder if you went to a liquor store and looked at the ones labeled
cognac if maybe they are all from the Cognac region of France.

AFAIK, they all have to be from France. The rest are brandy.

I think Champagne has lost its control of that word, but not every place
has.

AFAIK that's not true. Which is why the crap from say, NY state, is labeled
sparkling wine.

You're right! I guess I don't go to the right bars, or I don't spend
enogh money.

Well, in the Boston to Washington corridor "the right bar" might instead mean an exclusive club where expenses are paid quarterly or yearly, etc.. like on a golf course or at a retreat or in an urban area.

bruce bowser

2021-05-30 23:48:32 UTC