Number of syllables in the name "Neil"

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

It is possible that your friend is called - for example (I
am making this up now!) - /naI.Il/, and that this name is
also written »Neil«. So, in this case, there would be two
syllables.

For example, »Louis« is pronounced /lu.Is/, but if the
carrier comes from the UK, he might want to be called
/lu.I/, or if he comes from french /lwi/.

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 21:18:44 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one =

or two.

Post by Stefan Ram
It is possible that your friend is called - for example (I
am making this up now!) - /naI.Il/, and that this name is
also written =BBNeil=AB. So, in this case, there would be two
syllables.
For example, =BBLouis=AB is pronounced /lu.Is/, but if the
carrier comes from the UK, he might want to be called
/lu.I/, or if he comes from french /lwi/.

His name is pronounced the same as the word feel. Now if you say "feeli=
ng", that has two syllables, changing over at the L. The feel part of t=
he word feeling has only one syllable. But, if you say the word feel on=
it's own, without the ing, you add an extra sound, your mouth changes s=
hape halfway through. You say fee, followed by ull. Feel has two sylla=
bles, it could be written feeyull. Therefore so does Neil - knee, then =
ull - kneeyull.

-- =

Love is complicated machinery.
But sometimes all you need is a good screw to fix it.

Stefan Ram

2015-08-28 21:40:39 UTC

if you say the word feel on it's own, without the ing,
you add an extra sound, your mouth changes shape halfway
through. You say fee, followed by ull. Feel has two syllables,
it could be written feeyull. Therefore so does Neil - knee,
then ull - kneeyull.

Yes, that's true (in the US). It can also happen with
a word as small as »no«, which can become »no-ou«.
It happens with words ending in a vowel or voiced
consonant, not with »seat«, but with »seed«.

However, I got my /ni:l/ from a dictionary that claims
to give the American pronunciation.

It is possible that /ni:l/ is a phonemic transcription,
while [ni:***@l] would be a phonetic transcript, so
phonemically there is one syllable, while phonetically
there are two of them.

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 21:49:12 UTC

Yes, that's true (in the US). It can also happen with
a word as small as =BBno=AB, which can become =BBno-ou=AB.
It happens with words ending in a vowel or voiced
consonant, not with =BBseat=AB, but with =BBseed=AB.
However, I got my /ni:l/ from a dictionary that claims
to give the American pronunciation.
It is possible that /ni:l/ is a phonemic transcription,
phonemically there is one syllable, while phonetically
there are two of them.

I was always taught that a syllable is a vowel sound. When you change t=
he shape of your mouth, that's a new vowel, and a new syllable. How els=
e can you define a syllable?

And I only know of one way to pronounce Neil, the same as kneel, and it'=
s the same in the UK and the US. Here:

8s
The man in the video is clearly making two distinct sounds, and his mout=
h must be changing shape to do so.

-- =

This space was empty.

Stefan Ram

2015-08-28 22:07:08 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I was always taught that a syllable is a vowel sound.

Yes. But a sound (a phone) is not a phoneme. A phoneme
is an abstraction of sounds. Sometimes, two sounds might
be represented by one phoneme.

For example, in the World-Wide Web, one can find:

»structure on the basis of the phonetic syllable
(or chest pulse) or the phonemic syllable (unit of
phonemic significance),«

And also:

»A short syllable has one mora: a long syllable
contains two moræ.«

So, some might say that /ni:l/ is one long syllable
with two moræ. However, the term »mora« is used more
with Japanese than with English.) It might have two
»chest pulses«, but only one »unit of phonemic significance«.

This quotation from the famous »Wikipedia« online
encyclopedia confirms my assumption about phonemes
versus phones:

»In most dialects of the English language, for instance
British Received Pronunciation and General American,
there is complementary allophonic vowel length. Vowel
phonemes are realized as longer vowel allophones before
voiced consonant phonemes in the coda of a syllable,
meaning vowels are lengthened before a voiced consonant.
For example, the vowel phoneme /æ/ in /'bæt/ 'bat' is
realized as a short allophone [æ] in ['bæt], because the
/t/ phoneme is voiceless, while the same vowel /æ/
phoneme in /'bæd/ 'bad' is realized as a slightly long
allophone (which could be transcribed as ['bæ?d]),
because /d/ is voiced.«

because an »allophone« is just a »phone« that can be a
representation of a phoneme. For example, the phoneme /i:/
can have two allophones: [i:] (short) and [i:@] (long, two
»moræ« one might say).

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 22:11:23 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I was always taught that a syllable is a vowel sound.

Yes. But a sound (a phone) is not a phoneme. A phoneme
is an abstraction of sounds. Sometimes, two sounds might
be represented by one phoneme.
=BBstructure on the basis of the phonetic syllable
(or chest pulse) or the phonemic syllable (unit of
phonemic significance),=AB
=BBA short syllable has one mora: a long syllable
contains two mor=E6.=AB
So, some might say that /ni:l/ is one long syllable
with two mor=E6. However, the term =BBmora=AB is used more
with Japanese than with English.) It might have two
=BBchest pulses=AB, but only one =BBunit of phonemic significance=AB=

Post by Stefan Ram
This quotation from the famous =BBWikipedia=AB online
encyclopedia confirms my assumption about phonemes
=BBIn most dialects of the English language, for instance
British Received Pronunciation and General American,
there is complementary allophonic vowel length. Vowel
phonemes are realized as longer vowel allophones before
voiced consonant phonemes in the coda of a syllable,
meaning vowels are lengthened before a voiced consonant.
For example, the vowel phoneme /=E6/ in /'b=E6t/ 'bat' is
realized as a short allophone [=E6] in ['b=E6t], because the
/t/ phoneme is voiceless, while the same vowel /=E6/
phoneme in /'b=E6d/ 'bad' is realized as a slightly long
allophone (which could be transcribed as ['b=E6?d]),
because /d/ is voiced.=AB
because an =BBallophone=AB is just a =BBphone=AB that can be a
representation of a phoneme. For example, the phoneme /i:/
=BBmor=E6=AB one might say).

I don't understand three quarters of the above, I was never taught phone=
mes, allophones, etc. Vowel sounds are made by different shapes of the =
mouth, if your mouth changes shape it's a different vowel. Two differen=
t vowel sounds in one word implies two syllables. Which part of what I =
wrote are you saying is incorrect and why?

-- =

If you are having sex with TWO women and ONE more woman walks in, what d=
o you have?
Divorce proceedings, most likely.

Stefan Ram

2015-08-28 22:25:33 UTC

Post by Stefan Ram
This quotation from the famous »Wikipedia« online
phoneme in /'bæd/ 'bad' is realized as a slightly long
allophone (which could be transcribed as ['bæ?d]),

Which part of what I wrote are
you saying is incorrect and why?

No part of what you wrote is incorrect.

You just might consider that your definition of
»syllable« is not shared by everyone else. That
does not mean that your definition is incorrect.

For example, in mathematics, several authors give
several different definitions of the term »function«.
This does not mean that one of those definitions
is incorrect. It is common in science that different
authors give different definitions of terms.

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 22:31:08 UTC

Post by Stefan Ram
This quotation from the famous =BBWikipedia=AB online
phoneme in /'b=E6d/ 'bad' is realized as a slightly long
allophone (which could be transcribed as ['b=E6?d]),

Which part of what I wrote are
you saying is incorrect and why?

No part of what you wrote is incorrect.
You just might consider that your definition of
=BBsyllable=AB is not shared by everyone else. That
does not mean that your definition is incorrect.
For example, in mathematics, several authors give
several different definitions of the term =BBfunction=AB.
This does not mean that one of those definitions
is incorrect. It is common in science that different
authors give different definitions of terms.

Surely syllable is a clearly defined term. The dictionary says "an unin=
terrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound" Kneel (and Nei=
l) are interrupted by a Y in the centre as the mouth changes from an EE =
vowel to an UH vowel.

-- =

Q. What's a Catholic priest and a pint of Guinness got in common?
A. A black coat, white collar and you've got to watch your arse if you g=
et a dodgy one!

Stefan Ram

2015-08-28 22:49:31 UTC

The dictionary says "an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound"

The dictionary also says /ni:l/ for »Neil«.

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 23:02:42 UTC

The dictionary says "an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of=

a vowel sound"

The dictionary also says /ni:l/ for =BBNeil=AB.

I have no idea what that syntax means.

-- =

"O'Ryan," asked the druggist, "did that mudpack I gave you improve your =
wife's appearance?"
"It did, surely," replied O'Ryan, "but it keeps fallin' off!"

Stefan Ram

2015-08-28 23:13:07 UTC

The dictionary says "an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound"

The dictionary also says /ni:l/ for »Neil«.

I have no idea what that syntax means.

It means »N«, »long ee«, »l«.

(More technically: alveolar_nasal, long close front
unrounded vowel, and alveolar lateral approximant.)

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 23:21:26 UTC

The dictionary says "an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting =

of a vowel sound"

The dictionary also says /ni:l/ for =BBNeil=AB.

I have no idea what that syntax means.

It means =BBN=AB, =BBlong ee=AB, =BBl=AB.

If I'm understanding that correctly, that sounds very French. Is that t=
he same way as you pronounce need?

(More technically: alveolar_nasal, long close front
unrounded vowel, and alveolar lateral approximant.)

That's confusing me even more!

-- =

What is the difference between a female jogger and a sewing machine?
A sewing machine only has one bobbin.

Janet

2015-08-29 12:30:55 UTC

Post by Stefan Ram
This quotation from the famous »Wikipedia« online
phoneme in /'bæd/ 'bad' is realized as a slightly long
allophone (which could be transcribed as ['bæ?d]),

Which part of what I wrote are
you saying is incorrect and why?

No part of what you wrote is incorrect.
You just might consider that your definition of
»syllable« is not shared by everyone else. That
does not mean that your definition is incorrect.
For example, in mathematics, several authors give
several different definitions of the term »function«.
This does not mean that one of those definitions
is incorrect. It is common in science that different
authors give different definitions of terms.

Surely syllable is a clearly defined term.

Indeed; but it seems you haven't managed to read or comprehend the
whole of any definition.

The dictionary says "an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound"

That's only half the definition: it says

"an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound, a
diphthong, or a syllabic consonant, with or without preceding or
following consonant sounds".

Janet.

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-29 13:21:25 UTC

Post by Stefan Ram
This quotation from the famous =BBWikipedia=AB online
phoneme in /'b=E6d/ 'bad' is realized as a slightly long
allophone (which could be transcribed as ['b=E6?d]),

Which part of what I wrote are
you saying is incorrect and why?

Surely syllable is a clearly defined term.

Indeed; but it seems you haven't managed to read or comprehend the
whole of any definition.
The dictionary says "an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of =

a vowel sound"

Post by Janet
That's only half the definition: it says
"an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound, a
diphthong, or a syllabic consonant, with or without preceding or
following consonant sounds".

And I have no idea what those terms mean. Can someone explain in plain =
English? The "uninterrupted" is enough anyway, when you say kneel, you =
are saying nee-yull, your mouth changes shape and makes a second differe=
nt vowel sound.

-- =

Watching his date from the corner of his eye while he poured her a drink=
, the young bachelor said, "Say when."
She replied, "Right after that drink."

Peter Moylan

2015-08-29 14:39:39 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Surely syllable is a clearly defined term.

Indeed; but it seems you haven't managed to read or comprehend the
whole of any definition.
The dictionary says "an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound"
That's only half the definition: it says
"an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound, a
diphthong, or a syllabic consonant, with or without preceding or
following consonant sounds".

And I have no idea what those terms mean. Can someone explain in
plain English?

Well, if you're in this group, you obviously understand what "consonant"
and "diphthong" mean. Otherwise you wouldn't have wandered into an
English usage newsgroup. What else is there to understand?

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
The "uninterrupted" is enough anyway, when you say kneel, you are
saying nee-yull, your mouth changes shape and makes a second
different vowel sound.

I find myself coming over all Tony.

Yes, that's what happens within cat-swinging distance of your own
dialect region. You can't extrapolate to the rest of the
English-speaking world.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-29 14:43:13 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Surely syllable is a clearly defined term.

Indeed; but it seems you haven't managed to read or comprehend the
whole of any definition.
The dictionary says "an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound"
That's only half the definition: it says
"an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound, a
diphthong, or a syllabic consonant, with or without preceding or
following consonant sounds".

And I have no idea what those terms mean. Can someone explain in
plain English?

Well, if you're in this group, you obviously understand what "consonant"
and "diphthong" mean. Otherwise you wouldn't have wandered into an
English usage newsgroup. What else is there to understand?

No, I don't know what they mean, why should I have to know them to inhabit this group?

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
The "uninterrupted" is enough anyway, when you say kneel, you are
saying nee-yull, your mouth changes shape and makes a second
different vowel sound.

I find myself coming over all Tony.
Yes, that's what happens within cat-swinging distance of your own
dialect region. You can't extrapolate to the rest of the
English-speaking world.

The example of the word Neil being spoken I linked to on Youtube, and the four examples someone else posted all pronounce it like that.

--
I used to not get along with my mother-in-law, but over the last few
months, I've developed quite an attachment for her. It goes over her
head, and a strap comes down under her chin to keep her mouth shut.

Peter Moylan

2015-08-29 15:31:24 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:39:39 +0100, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan
Well, if you're in this group, you obviously understand what "consonant"
and "diphthong" mean. Otherwise you wouldn't have wandered into an
English usage newsgroup. What else is there to understand?

No, I don't know what they mean, why should I have to know them to inhabit this group?

This is a group of people interested in English usage. The group
alt.usage.whocares is down the hall.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-29 15:40:40 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:39:39 +0100, Peter Moylan

No, I don't know what they mean, why should I have to know them to inhabit this group?

This is a group of people interested in English usage. The group
alt.usage.whocares is down the hall.

If I want to know something about DIY, I ask a question in the DIY group. Asking a question kinda implies I don't know everything about DIY.
Same goes for here - if I knew everything about English, I wouldn't need to ask a question in here.

--
What are the "Man's Three Rules When Getting Old?"
Never pass a bathroom, don't waste a hard-on, and never trust a fart.

Charles Bishop

2015-08-29 22:52:35 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:39:39 +0100, Peter Moylan

No, I don't know what they mean, why should I have to know them to
inhabit this group?

This is a group of people interested in English usage. The group
alt.usage.whocares is down the hall.

If I want to know something about DIY, I ask a question in the DIY group.
Asking a question kinda implies I don't know everything about DIY.
Same goes for here - if I knew everything about English, I wouldn't need to
ask a question in here.

When people answer your questions with an answer you don't like, why,
then, do you argue with them?

Charles, why, oh why

Richard Tobin

2015-08-30 13:41:54 UTC

Post by Charles Bishop
When people answer your questions with an answer you don't like, why,
then, do you argue with them?

Because he's a troll, as I pointed out when he popped up here several
weeks ago. Why do you keep on feeding him?

-- Richard

Peter Moylan

2015-08-31 04:19:11 UTC

Post by Charles Bishop
When people answer your questions with an answer you don't like, why,
then, do you argue with them?

Because he's a troll, as I pointed out when he popped up here several
weeks ago. Why do you keep on feeding him?

Actually, I don't think he's a troll. He's more in the Jenn category:
poorly educated, strongly opinionated, and out of his depth whenever the
topic is one that required intelligent thought.

Not that that changes your basic point. It's a waste of time trying to
discuss anything with him.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Charles Bishop

2015-08-31 14:21:32 UTC

Post by Charles Bishop
When people answer your questions with an answer you don't like, why,
then, do you argue with them?

Because he's a troll, as I pointed out when he popped up here several
weeks ago. Why do you keep on feeding him?

poorly educated, strongly opinionated, and out of his depth whenever the
topic is one that required intelligent thought.
Not that that changes your basic point. It's a waste of time trying to
discuss anything with him.

But if you want an extended "Is Not", "Is Too", then he's your man.

--
charles

GordonD

2015-08-31 14:42:52 UTC

Post by Charles Bishop
When people answer your questions with an answer you don't like, why,
then, do you argue with them?

Because he's a troll, as I pointed out when he popped up here several
weeks ago. Why do you keep on feeding him?

But if you want an extended "Is Not", "Is Too", then he's your man.

ObAue - the British retort to "Is Not" would be "Is So!"

--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

Charles Bishop

2015-08-31 15:32:36 UTC

Post by Charles Bishop
When people answer your questions with an answer you don't like, why,
then, do you argue with them?

Because he's a troll, as I pointed out when he popped up here several
weeks ago. Why do you keep on feeding him?

But if you want an extended "Is Not", "Is Too", then he's your man.

ObAue - the British retort to "Is Not" would be "Is So!"

"No it's not."

--
charles

GordonD

2015-08-31 15:39:52 UTC

Post by Charles Bishop
When people answer your questions with an answer you don't like, why,
then, do you argue with them?

Because he's a troll, as I pointed out when he popped up here several
weeks ago. Why do you keep on feeding him?

But if you want an extended "Is Not", "Is Too", then he's your man.

ObAue - the British retort to "Is Not" would be "Is So!"

"No it's not."

Is this the five-minute argument or the full half-hour?

--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

Charles Bishop

2015-08-31 17:44:48 UTC

Post by Charles Bishop
When people answer your questions with an answer you don't like, why,
then, do you argue with them?

Because he's a troll, as I pointed out when he popped up here several
weeks ago. Why do you keep on feeding him?

But if you want an extended "Is Not", "Is Too", then he's your man.

ObAue - the British retort to "Is Not" would be "Is So!"

"No it's not."

Is this the five-minute argument or the full half-hour?

I only paid for five minutes; if you'd like to chip in, we can go longer.

--
charles

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-30 14:49:55 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:39:39 +0100, Peter Moylan

No, I don't know what they mean, why should I have to know them to
inhabit this group?

This is a group of people interested in English usage. The group
alt.usage.whocares is down the hall.

If I want to know something about DIY, I ask a question in the DIY group.
Asking a question kinda implies I don't know everything about DIY.
Same goes for here - if I knew everything about English, I wouldn't need to
ask a question in here.

When people answer your questions with an answer you don't like, why,
then, do you argue with them?

Incorrect, when people answer my questions with an answer that doesn't make sense, I argue with them.

Post by Charles Bishop
Charles, why, oh why

Please stop talking to your imaginary friend.

--
Did you hear about the new instant lottery game in India?
You scratch the ticket and if the dot matches the one on your forehead, you win a convenience store in the US.

Charles Bishop

2015-08-29 23:01:34 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Surely syllable is a clearly defined term.

Indeed; but it seems you haven't managed to read or comprehend the
whole of any definition.
The dictionary says "an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting
of a vowel sound"
That's only half the definition: it says
"an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound, a
diphthong, or a syllabic consonant, with or without preceding or
following consonant sounds".

And I have no idea what those terms mean. Can someone explain in
plain English?

Well, if you're in this group, you obviously understand what "consonant"
and "diphthong" mean. Otherwise you wouldn't have wandered into an
English usage newsgroup. What else is there to understand?

No, I don't know what they mean, why should I have to know them to inhabit this group?

You don't have to know particular terms to inhabit the group (Ghod knows
I don't know a majority of the technical terms used), but, you also then
cannot complain that people use the terms and you can't understand them.
The reason there are specific terms is so a discussion can be concise,
rather than having to use the definition of "diphthong" each time
instead of just using "diphthong".

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
The "uninterrupted" is enough anyway, when you say kneel, you are
saying nee-yull, your mouth changes shape and makes a second
different vowel sound.

Best I can tell, I don't.

Post by Peter Moylan
I find myself coming over all Tony.
Yes, that's what happens within cat-swinging distance of your own
dialect region. You can't extrapolate to the rest of the
English-speaking world.

The example of the word Neil being spoken I linked to on Youtube, and the
four examples someone else posted all pronounce it like that.

Peter Moylan says they don't sound the same as well, presumably as the
person who put it up on YouTube.

--
cgarles

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-30 20:37:19 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Surely syllable is a clearly defined term.

Indeed; but it seems you haven't managed to read or comprehend the
whole of any definition.
The dictionary says "an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting
of a vowel sound"
That's only half the definition: it says
"an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound, a
diphthong, or a syllabic consonant, with or without preceding or
following consonant sounds".

And I have no idea what those terms mean. Can someone explain in
plain English?

Well, if you're in this group, you obviously understand what "consonant"
and "diphthong" mean. Otherwise you wouldn't have wandered into an
English usage newsgroup. What else is there to understand?

No, I don't know what they mean, why should I have to know them to inhabit this group?

If I don't need to know the terms, then others should expect to have to explain their explanations in plain English.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
The "uninterrupted" is enough anyway, when you say kneel, you are
saying nee-yull, your mouth changes shape and makes a second
different vowel sound.

Best I can tell, I don't.

I have never heard kneel said with one syllable, except perhaps a French woman trying to speak English.

The example of the word Neil being spoken I linked to on Youtube, and the
four examples someone else posted all pronounce it like that.

Peter Moylan says they don't sound the same as well, presumably as the
person who put it up on YouTube.

All five clearly have 2 syllables. There are TWO distinct vowel sounds.

--
Saying that she is promiscuous is an understatement.
She'll go zero to sixty-nine in under fifteen seconds."

Charles Bishop

2015-08-31 04:08:17 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:39:39 +0100, Peter Moylan

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Surely syllable is a clearly defined term.

Indeed; but it seems you haven't managed to read or comprehend the
whole of any definition.
The dictionary says "an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting
of a vowel sound"
That's only half the definition: it says
"an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a vowel sound, a
diphthong, or a syllabic consonant, with or without preceding or
following consonant sounds".

And I have no idea what those terms mean. Can someone explain in
plain English?

Well, if you're in this group, you obviously understand what "consonant"
and "diphthong" mean. Otherwise you wouldn't have wandered into an
English usage newsgroup. What else is there to understand?

No, I don't know what they mean, why should I have to know them to inhabit
this group?

If I don't need to know the terms, then others should expect to have to
explain their explanations in plain English.

Wait, what? Really. People here should stop using language that is
helpful to them in discussing a subject that uses such terms so that
you, who doesn't want to be bothered learning the terms, won't have to
trouble yourself?

While this is a yes/no question, "yes" isn't the correct answer.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
The "uninterrupted" is enough anyway, when you say kneel, you are
saying nee-yull, your mouth changes shape and makes a second
different vowel sound.

Best I can tell, I don't.

I have never heard kneel said with one syllable, except perhaps a French
woman trying to speak English.

People have, I think provided links to such speech. Ah, I see there was
mention below.

The example of the word Neil being spoken I linked to on Youtube, and the
four examples someone else posted all pronounce it like that.

Peter Moylan says they don't sound the same as well, presumably as the
person who put it up on YouTube.

All five clearly have 2 syllables. There are TWO distinct vowel sounds.

Why then, did Peter Moylan link to a site that he says has different
pronunciations?

--
charles,

charles

2015-08-28 21:20:11 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

It is possible that your friend is called - for example (I
am making this up now!) - /naI.Il/, and that this name is
also written »Neil«. So, in this case, there would be two
syllables.
For example, »Louis« is pronounced /lu.Is/, but if the
carrier comes from the UK, he might want to be called
/lu.I/, or if he comes from french /lwi/.

Louis is my second name and pronounced: loo-is.

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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 21:27:51 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one=

or two.

Louis is my second name and pronounced: loo-is.

That's the only way I know to pronounce Louis (which I would also call t=
wo syllables, your mouth changes shape where you placed the hyphen). On=
e syllable would make it "loose".

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ki/Operation_Mindfuck

charles

2015-08-28 22:47:38 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:20:11 +0100, charles

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

It is possible that your friend is called - for example (I am making
this up now!) - /naI.Il/, and that this name is also written »Neil«.
So, in this case, there would be two syllables.
For example, »Louis« is pronounced /lu.Is/, but if the carrier comes
from the UK, he might want to be called /lu.I/, or if he comes from
french /lwi/.

Louis is my second name and pronounced: loo-is.

That's the only way I know to pronounce Louis (which I would also call
two syllables, your mouth changes shape where you placed the hyphen).
One syllable would make it "loose".

A certain Jazz musician didn't pronouce it that way.

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Peter Moylan

2015-08-29 12:16:58 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:20:11 +0100, charles

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

It is possible that your friend is called - for example (I am making
this up now!) - /naI.Il/, and that this name is also written »Neil«.
So, in this case, there would be two syllables.
For example, »Louis« is pronounced /lu.Is/, but if the carrier comes
from the UK, he might want to be called /lu.I/, or if he comes from
french /lwi/.

Louis is my second name and pronounced: loo-is.

That's the only way I know to pronounce Louis (which I would also call
two syllables, your mouth changes shape where you placed the hyphen).
One syllable would make it "loose".

A certain Jazz musician didn't pronouce it that way.

A good point. As I understand it, the usual AmE pronunciation of Louis
is the same as the BrE pronunciation of Lewis, and the usual BrE
pronunciation of Louis is not very different from the FrE -- sorry, I
mean French -- pronunciation.

Was that musician an outlier, or were the rules different in his day?
Google is not much help here, because the obvious search turns up
baby-naming threads, and people who discuss naming babies on the web
seem to give a high priority to finding anti-intuitive pronunciations.

Separate question: I appreciate that AmE is much more influenced by
Spanish than by French. I don't know a lot about Spanish pronunciation.
Is the name Luis similar to BrE Lewis, or is it (as in French rules) a
one-syllable word where the 'u' is a semi-vowel?

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Stefan Ram

2015-08-29 12:27:56 UTC

So that later they can indulge in threads about how people
never get the pronunciation of their child right!

Post by Peter Moylan
Separate question: I appreciate that AmE is much more influenced by
Spanish than by French. I don't know a lot about Spanish pronunciation.
Is the name Luis similar to BrE Lewis, or is it (as in French rules) a
one-syllable word where the 'u' is a semi-vowel?

»Español
Etimología 1: del francés louis, epónimo del rey Louis XIII de Francia
Pronunciación: [lwis]
Etimología 2: de luir.
Pronunciación: ['lwis] o [lu'is]«

es.wiktionary.org/wiki/luis

Stefan Ram

2015-08-29 12:35:41 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
Spanish than by French. I don't know a lot about Spanish pronunciation.
Is the name Luis similar to BrE Lewis, or is it (as in French rules) a
one-syllable word where the 'u' is a semi-vowel?

Español
Etimología 1: del francés louis, epónimo del rey Louis XIII de Francia
Pronunciación: [lwis]

Then, there also is the name »Louie«, which can be a
diminutive of the male given name Louis.

Peter T. Daniels

2015-08-29 13:18:12 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:20:11 +0100, charles

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

It is possible that your friend is called - for example (I am making
this up now!) - /naI.Il/, and that this name is also written »Neil«.
So, in this case, there would be two syllables.
For example, »Louis« is pronounced /lu.Is/, but if the carrier comes
from the UK, he might want to be called /lu.I/, or if he comes from
french /lwi/.

Louis is my second name and pronounced: loo-is.

That's the only way I know to pronounce Louis (which I would also call
two syllables, your mouth changes shape where you placed the hyphen).
One syllable would make it "loose".

A certain Jazz musician didn't pronouce it that way.

St. Louis, Missouri, is ['luwIs] except in the song "Meet Me in St. Louis,"
which jocularly uses the "loo-ie" pronunciation to mock the outlanders coming
to the 1904 World's Fair (and Olympics).

The usual nickname for Louis or Lewis is "Louie."

Post by Peter Moylan
Was that musician an outlier, or were the rules different in his day?
Google is not much help here, because the obvious search turns up
baby-naming threads, and people who discuss naming babies on the web
seem to give a high priority to finding anti-intuitive pronunciations.
Separate question: I appreciate that AmE is much more influenced by
Spanish than by French. I don't know a lot about Spanish pronunciation.
Is the name Luis similar to BrE Lewis, or is it (as in French rules) a
one-syllable word where the 'u' is a semi-vowel?

Persons named "Luis" would be called [l@'wis] (l-WEES) in English, but again
this often, but not always, becomes Louie.

R H Draney

2015-08-29 18:42:19 UTC

Post by Peter T. Daniels
St. Louis, Missouri, is ['luwIs] except in the song "Meet Me in St.
Louis," which jocularly uses the "loo-ie" pronunciation to mock the
outlanders coming to the 1904 World's Fair (and Olympics).

Not far away, St Joseph (the eastern terminus of the Pony Express), is
commonly "Saint Joe" to all but the tourists....r

Peter T. Daniels

2015-08-29 20:37:06 UTC

Not far away, St Joseph (the eastern terminus of the Pony Express), is
commonly "Saint Joe" to all but the tourists....r

"St. Joe" is certainly familiar to me, and I've never been within [however
far away from St. Louis it is] miles of it. Is it in the *Route 66* song?

R H Draney

2015-08-30 00:16:48 UTC

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Not far away, St Joseph (the eastern terminus of the Pony Express),
is commonly "Saint Joe" to all but the tourists....r

"St. Joe" is certainly familiar to me, and I've never been within
[however far away from St. Louis it is] miles of it. Is it in the
*Route 66* song?

No reason for it to be...Route 66 "goes through St Louis, Joplin,
Missouri" etc, which takes it southwest from Gateway arch; St Joe is north
of Kansas City....r

Charles Bishop

2015-08-30 01:33:17 UTC

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Not far away, St Joseph (the eastern terminus of the Pony Express),
is commonly "Saint Joe" to all but the tourists....r

"St. Joe" is certainly familiar to me, and I've never been within
[however far away from St. Louis it is] miles of it. Is it in the
*Route 66* song?

No reason for it to be...Route 66 "goes through St Louis, Joplin,
Missouri" etc, which takes it southwest from Gateway arch; St Joe is north
of Kansas City....r

Goes through one of my home towns, as well. It was main street or main
street was it. There was, I think, a Phillips 66 gas station on one
corner, which seemed logical to my child's mind.

--
charles

Whiskers

2015-08-29 23:27:14 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:20:11 +0100, charles

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

It is possible that your friend is called - for example (I am making
this up now!) - /naI.Il/, and that this name is also written »Neil«.
So, in this case, there would be two syllables.
For example, »Louis« is pronounced /lu.Is/, but if the carrier comes
from the UK, he might want to be called /lu.I/, or if he comes from
french /lwi/.

Louis is my second name and pronounced: loo-is.

That's the only way I know to pronounce Louis (which I would also call
two syllables, your mouth changes shape where you placed the hyphen).
One syllable would make it "loose".

A certain Jazz musician didn't pronouce it that way.

Satchmo hailed from New Orleans. The Cajun French influence may have
determined the way he said his name.

Two syllables, whenever I've heard it - like 'Loo eess' so not like any
English or French way of saying Louis or Lewis.

--
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-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-29 13:22:02 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:20:11 +0100, charles

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's =

one

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
or two.

It is possible that your friend is called - for example (I am ma=

king

Post by Stefan Ram
this up now!) - /naI.Il/, and that this name is also written =BB=

Neil=AB.

Post by Stefan Ram
So, in this case, there would be two syllables.
For example, =BBLouis=AB is pronounced /lu.Is/, but if the carri=

er comes

Post by Stefan Ram
from the UK, he might want to be called /lu.I/, or if he comes f=

rom

Post by Stefan Ram
french /lwi/.

Louis is my second name and pronounced: loo-is.

That's the only way I know to pronounce Louis (which I would also cal=

two syllables, your mouth changes shape where you placed the hyphen).=
One syllable would make it "loose".

A certain Jazz musician didn't pronouce it that way.

How on earth did he pronounce it then?

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For the really paranoid who want to destroy data there's nothing like ta=
king the lid off the disk drive and rearranging the sectors with a hamme=
r.

Sneaky O. Possum

2015-08-30 15:17:45 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:20:11 +0100, charles

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

It is possible that your friend is called - for example (I am
making this up now!) - /naI.Il/, and that this name is also
written »Neil«. So, in this case, there would be two syllables.
For example, »Louis« is pronounced /lu.Is/, but if the carrier
comes from the UK, he might want to be called /lu.I/, or if he
comes from french /lwi/.

Louis is my second name and pronounced: loo-is.

That's the only way I know to pronounce Louis (which I would also
call two syllables, your mouth changes shape where you placed the
hyphen). One syllable would make it "loose".

A certain Jazz musician didn't pronouce it that way.

In fact, Mr. Armstrong pronounced his name /'lu.Is/: he considered the
common alternative pronunciation to be a nickname, and spelled it either
'Louie' (as on his 1933 recording 'Laughin' Louie') or 'Lewie.' Listen
to the way he pronounces it in the 1963 studio recording of 'Hello,
Dolly!' (about 0:14):

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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-30 15:26:59 UTC

Post by Sneaky O. Possum

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:20:11 +0100, charles

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's=
one or two.

It is possible that your friend is called - for example (I am
making this up now!) - /naI.Il/, and that this name is also
written =BBNeil=AB. So, in this case, there would be two syllab=

les.

Post by Sneaky O. Possum

Post by Stefan Ram
For example, =BBLouis=AB is pronounced /lu.Is/, but if the carr=

ier

Post by Sneaky O. Possum

Post by Stefan Ram
comes from the UK, he might want to be called /lu.I/, or if he
comes from french /lwi/.

Louis is my second name and pronounced: loo-is.

That's the only way I know to pronounce Louis (which I would also
call two syllables, your mouth changes shape where you placed the
hyphen). One syllable would make it "loose".

A certain Jazz musician didn't pronouce it that way.

In fact, Mr. Armstrong pronounced his name /'lu.Is/: he considered the
common alternative pronunciation to be a nickname, and spelled it eith=

Post by Sneaky O. Possum
'Louie' (as on his 1933 recording 'Laughin' Louie') or 'Lewie.' Listen=
to the way he pronounces it in the 1963 studio recording of 'Hello,

Still 2 syllables though :-)

-- =

19 Brits have died in the last 3 years believing that christmas decorati=
ons were chocolate.

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 21:28:13 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why?

The usual pronunciation is /ni:l/, which makes one syllable.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
My friend is called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one =

or two.

I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

-- =

Love is complicated machinery.
But sometimes all you need is a good screw to fix it.

Stefan Ram

2015-08-28 21:45:53 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes. As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.

Usually most of the symbols resemble IPA, /@/ is intended
to be the schwa.

It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 21:51:13 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes. As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.
to be the schwa.
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

I'm not familiar with any notation for pronunciation. I ain't a linguist. Examples are better.

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Charles Bishop

2015-08-29 22:49:54 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes. As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.
to be the schwa.
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

I'm not familiar with any notation for pronunciation. I ain't a linguist.
Examples are better.

Except that people gave you those, such as "feel" and you couldn't tell
how they pronounced that word, or disagreed that Neil could be
pronounced the same.

--
charles

Peter Moylan

2015-08-30 04:48:06 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I'm not familiar with any notation for pronunciation. I ain't a linguist.
Examples are better.

Except that people gave you those, such as "feel" and you couldn't tell
how they pronounced that word, or disagreed that Neil could be
pronounced the same.

This topic arises over and over again. Saying that a word "sounds like"
or "rhymes with" another word works only in your own speech community.
Once you're doing comparisons with other countries or regions the whole
system collapses. That's why it's generally agreed in this newsgroup
that there's no point in talking about pronunciation unless you have a
notation for pronunciation.

Saying, for example, that "Neil" is pronounced exactly like "kneel" --
which I think is true in most versions of English -- doesn't communicate
any information if the person you're writing to doesn't know how you
pronounce either of those words.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Peter Moylan

2015-08-29 03:27:01 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes. As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.
to be the schwa.
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

You don't even need a search engine. Pointers to the FAQ are regularly
posted to this newsgroup.

Unfortunately, many drive-by posters don't bother to read the FAQ.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-29 13:25:07 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes. As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.
to be the schwa.
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

You don't even need a search engine. Pointers to the FAQ are regularly
posted to this newsgroup.
Unfortunately, many drive-by posters don't bother to read the FAQ.

Can't be bothered finding it, and couldn't be bothered reading something that long.

--
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GordonD

2015-08-29 16:50:18 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 04:27:01 +0100, Peter Moylan

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes. As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.
to be the schwa.
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

You don't even need a search engine. Pointers to the FAQ are regularly
posted to this newsgroup.
Unfortunately, many drive-by posters don't bother to read the FAQ.

Can't be bothered finding it, and couldn't be bothered reading something that long.

Would your lips get tired?

--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-29 16:55:18 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 04:27:01 +0100, Peter Moylan

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes. As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.
to be the schwa.
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

You don't even need a search engine. Pointers to the FAQ are regularly
posted to this newsgroup.
Unfortunately, many drive-by posters don't bother to read the FAQ.

Can't be bothered finding it, and couldn't be bothered reading something that long.

Would your lips get tired?

It never ceases to amaze me how many childish people are in newsgroups.

--
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Athel Cornish-Bowden

2015-08-29 16:57:30 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 04:27:01 +0100, Peter Moylan

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes. As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.
to be the schwa.
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

You don't even need a search engine. Pointers to the FAQ are regularly
posted to this newsgroup.
Unfortunately, many drive-by posters don't bother to read the FAQ.

Can't be bothered finding it, and couldn't be bothered reading something that long.

Would your lips get tired?

--
athel

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-29 16:59:09 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 04:27:01 +0100, Peter Moylan

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes. As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.
to be the schwa.
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

You don't even need a search engine. Pointers to the FAQ are regularly
posted to this newsgroup.
Unfortunately, many drive-by posters don't bother to read the FAQ.

Can't be bothered finding it, and couldn't be bothered reading something that long.

Would your lips get tired?

You do realise that makes you an AOL person? Plus one! Plus one! Me too!!! How pathetic. Can't you write your own sentences?

--
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Athel Cornish-Bowden

2015-08-29 17:00:56 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 04:27:01 +0100, Peter Moylan

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes.

I find the best way to get more familiar with Kirshenbaum IPA is to use
it, and to look things up every time whenever necessary. I now find I
rarely need to look up consonants, and I'm getting better with vowels.

Post by Stefan Ram
As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.
to be the schwa.
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

You don't even need a search engine. Pointers to the FAQ are regularly
posted to this newsgroup.
Unfortunately, many drive-by posters don't bother to read the FAQ.

Can't be bothered finding it, and couldn't be bothered reading something that long.

Would your lips get tired?

--
athel

Charles Bishop

2015-08-29 22:47:36 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 04:27:01 +0100, Peter Moylan

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes. As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.
to be the schwa.
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

You don't even need a search engine. Pointers to the FAQ are regularly
posted to this newsgroup.
Unfortunately, many drive-by posters don't bother to read the FAQ.

Can't be bothered finding it, and couldn't be bothered reading something that long.

Would your lips get tired?

And his finger gets a callus.

--
charles

Peter Moylan

2015-08-30 04:50:44 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 04:27:01 +0100, Peter Moylan

Post by Stefan Ram
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

You don't even need a search engine. Pointers to the FAQ are regularly
posted to this newsgroup.
Unfortunately, many drive-by posters don't bother to read the FAQ.

Can't be bothered finding it, and couldn't be bothered reading something that long.

Would your lips get tired?

And his finger gets a callus.

<like>

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-30 15:04:32 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 04:27:01 +0100, Peter Moylan

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
I don't know what all those codes mean unfortunately.

I try to use Kirshenbaum IPA, but since I am not totally
familiar with it myself, I might err sometimes. As far as
I know, most readers of this newsgroup prefer Kirshenbaum
IPA for this newsgroup.
to be the schwa.
It should be possible to learn more about IPA and
Kirshenbaum IPA by reading results of search engines.

You don't even need a search engine. Pointers to the FAQ are regularly
posted to this newsgroup.
Unfortunately, many drive-by posters don't bother to read the FAQ.

Can't be bothered finding it, and couldn't be bothered reading something that long.

Would your lips get tired?

And his finger gets a callus.

I'm not the one who has difficulty remembering the line I'm on with wide lines.

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"Nope," replied the colonel, coming over and handing him the keys, "*Yours* is."

charles

2015-08-28 21:18:59 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why? My friend is called
Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

My late cousin's name was pronounced: "neel"

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Please note new email address:
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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 21:26:21 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why? My friend is called
Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

My late cousin's name was pronounced: "neel"

You'll have to be more specific. Is that like the first half of feeling, or like the word feel?

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2015-08-29 03:28:32 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:18:59 +0100, charles

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why? My friend is called
Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

My late cousin's name was pronounced: "neel"

You'll have to be more specific. Is that like the first half of
feeling, or like the word feel?

My "feel" has one syllable, but I can do two if I want to put on a rural
accent.

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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-29 13:26:07 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:18:59 +0100, charles

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why? My friend is called
Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

My late cousin's name was pronounced: "neel"

You'll have to be more specific. Is that like the first half of
feeling, or like the word feel?

My "feel" has one syllable, but I can do two if I want to put on a rural
accent.

So if you recorded yourself saying the word feeling, and cut off the recording to remove the ing, it would sound the same as the word feel? I've never heard anyone anywhere (including foreign TV programs) say it like that. And I would find it extremely difficult to pronounce it like that.

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2015-08-28 22:45:42 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:18:59 +0100, charles

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why? My friend is called
Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

My late cousin's name was pronounced: "neel"

You'll have to be more specific. Is that like the first half of feeling,
or like the word feel?

Is there a difference?

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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-29 13:23:14 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:18:59 +0100, charles

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why? My friend is called
Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

My late cousin's name was pronounced: "neel"

You'll have to be more specific. Is that like the first half of feeling,
or like the word feel?

Is there a difference?

Yes. Fee-ling versus fee-yull.

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2015-08-28 21:25:53 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

One syllable. As to why, check this out:

5 Ways to Count Syllables

http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 21:32:38 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull. If you watch someone saying the word Neil, you will see their mouth changing shape as they progress to the next vowel sound, and when you say it yourself, you feel your tongue hitting the roof of your mouth as if there were a Y in the middle of the word. Kneel is pronounced identically to Neil. Kneeling has two syllables, one for the kneel section, and one for the ing. But you do not pronounce kneel by saying kneeling and just cutting off the ing. If you recorded the word kneeling on a taperecorder, then blanked off the ing, it would sound completely wrong, as a syllable is missing.

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2015-08-28 22:14:40 UTC

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted"

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds.
Nee, followed by ull. If you watch someone saying the
word Neil, you will see their mouth changing shape as
they progress to the next vowel sound, and when you say
it yourself, you feel your tongue hitting the roof of
your mouth as if there were a Y in the middle of the
word. Kneel is pronounced identically to Neil. Kneeling
has two syllables, one for the kneel section, and one for
the ing. But you do not pronounce kneel by saying
kneeling and just cutting off the ing. If you recorded
the word kneeling on a taperecorder, then blanked off the
ing, it would sound completely wrong, as a syllable is
missing.

Please see:

http://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/neil

But yes, there are people who pronounce it "nee-ull".
It's English after all, so pretty much anything goes.

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Om Shanti

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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-28 22:21:40 UTC

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted"

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds.
Nee, followed by ull. If you watch someone saying the
word Neil, you will see their mouth changing shape as
they progress to the next vowel sound, and when you say
it yourself, you feel your tongue hitting the roof of
your mouth as if there were a Y in the middle of the
word. Kneel is pronounced identically to Neil. Kneeling
has two syllables, one for the kneel section, and one for
the ing. But you do not pronounce kneel by saying
kneeling and just cutting off the ing. If you recorded
the word kneeling on a taperecorder, then blanked off the
ing, it would sound completely wrong, as a syllable is
missing.

http://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/neil
But yes, there are people who pronounce it "nee-ull".
It's English after all, so pretty much anything goes.

It is always pronounced like this http://youtu.be/qnBWee7yUx8 in the UK and the US, which has two distinct syllables. Show me a sound recording of any other pronunciation.

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bill van

2015-08-28 23:33:07 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:14:40 +0100, Dr. Jai Maharaj

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted"

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds.
Nee, followed by ull. If you watch someone saying the
word Neil, you will see their mouth changing shape as
they progress to the next vowel sound, and when you say
it yourself, you feel your tongue hitting the roof of
your mouth as if there were a Y in the middle of the
word. Kneel is pronounced identically to Neil. Kneeling
has two syllables, one for the kneel section, and one for
the ing. But you do not pronounce kneel by saying
kneeling and just cutting off the ing. If you recorded
the word kneeling on a taperecorder, then blanked off the
ing, it would sound completely wrong, as a syllable is
missing.

http://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/neil
But yes, there are people who pronounce it "nee-ull".
It's English after all, so pretty much anything goes.

It is always pronounced like this http://youtu.be/qnBWee7yUx8 in the UK
and the US, which has two distinct syllables. Show me a sound recording of
any other pronunciation.

Four of them, right here:

http://forvo.com/word/neil_young/#en

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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-29 13:24:08 UTC

Post by bill van

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:14:40 +0100, Dr. Jai Maharaj

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted"

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds.
Nee, followed by ull. If you watch someone saying the
word Neil, you will see their mouth changing shape as
they progress to the next vowel sound, and when you say
it yourself, you feel your tongue hitting the roof of
your mouth as if there were a Y in the middle of the
word. Kneel is pronounced identically to Neil. Kneeling
has two syllables, one for the kneel section, and one for
the ing. But you do not pronounce kneel by saying
kneeling and just cutting off the ing. If you recorded
the word kneeling on a taperecorder, then blanked off the
ing, it would sound completely wrong, as a syllable is
missing.

http://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/neil
But yes, there are people who pronounce it "nee-ull".
It's English after all, so pretty much anything goes.

It is always pronounced like this http://youtu.be/qnBWee7yUx8 in the UK
and the US, which has two distinct syllables. Show me a sound recording of
any other pronunciation.

http://forvo.com/word/neil_young/#en

Those are the same as my example. They are all saying nee-yull.

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Mr. B1ack

2015-08-29 01:46:21 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-29 13:24:33 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

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Mr. B1ack

2015-08-30 17:10:35 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.

So the truth depends on where you are.

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-30 17:20:28 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same sound, but I find it difficult to put an l after an ee. Even the animal "eel" is pronounce "eeyul" by everyone I've ever heard say it. Basically like "eagle", without the g.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

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Mr. B1ack

2015-08-30 21:51:44 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

I'd suggest perusing youtube stuff about Neil Patrick Harris
done by Georgia/Alabama/Mississippi/SC TV people, maybe
movie or TV reviewers. "Neil DeGrasse Tyson" would be
another popular "Neil" name.

Of course in THE deep-south anthem "Sweet Home Alabama",
as SUNG, the name was "Nee-Ull" ....

But normally it's gonna sound just like "Kneel" down south,
one syllable.

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-30 21:54:11 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

Post by Mr. B1ack
I'd suggest perusing youtube stuff about Neil Patrick Harris
done by Georgia/Alabama/Mississippi/SC TV people, maybe
movie or TV reviewers. "Neil DeGrasse Tyson" would be
another popular "Neil" name.
Of course in THE deep-south anthem "Sweet Home Alabama",
as SUNG, the name was "Nee-Ull" ....
But normally it's gonna sound just like "Kneel" down south,
one syllable.

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Mr. B1ack

2015-08-31 12:44:03 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

You assume my time isn't worth anything it seems ....

So, figure I'm lying and start perusing all those videos
youself .... and if you don't find any "kneel" pronunciations
then you can feel all superior and everything ....

But my cousin ... everybody calls him "kneel", not "nee-ul".

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-31 15:08:18 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

You assume my time isn't worth anything it seems ....
So, figure I'm lying and start perusing all those videos
youself .... and if you don't find any "kneel" pronunciations
then you can feel all superior and everything ....
But my cousin ... everybody calls him "kneel", not "nee-ul".

Kneel is also pronounced nee-ull. By everybody, everywhere.

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Charles Bishop

2015-08-31 15:30:12 UTC

In article <***@red.lan>,
"Tough Guy no. 1265" <***@spam.com> wrote:

[snip to get to the troll(?)'s pronouncement]

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Kneel is also pronounced nee-ull. By everybody, everywhere.

It's not, you know. People have given you several examples.

charles, which you continually ignore, so that you can be right

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-31 15:48:21 UTC

Post by Charles Bishop
[snip to get to the troll(?)'s pronouncement]

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Kneel is also pronounced nee-ull. By everybody, everywhere.

It's not, you know. People have given you several examples.

Someone gave four examples on a webpage, all of them backed up my two syllables.

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bill van

2015-08-31 18:03:48 UTC

Post by Charles Bishop
[snip to get to the troll(?)'s pronouncement]

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Kneel is also pronounced nee-ull. By everybody, everywhere.

It's not, you know. People have given you several examples.

Someone gave four examples on a webpage, all of them backed up my two syllables.

That was me, and I posted them as examples of "neil" spoken as a single
syllable.

You make the error of assuming that the whole world speaks as you speak,
and hears what your hear. It's not so.

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Charles Bishop

2015-08-31 19:45:34 UTC

Post by Charles Bishop
[snip to get to the troll(?)'s pronouncement]

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Kneel is also pronounced nee-ull. By everybody, everywhere.

It's not, you know. People have given you several examples.

Someone gave four examples on a webpage, all of them backed up my two syllables.

Others said there was only one syllable. Of course you dismiss this.

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Lewis

2015-08-31 15:30:45 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

You assume my time isn't worth anything it seems ....
So, figure I'm lying and start perusing all those videos
youself .... and if you don't find any "kneel" pronunciations
then you can feel all superior and everything ....
But my cousin ... everybody calls him "kneel", not "nee-ul".

I've only ever met Kneels.

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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-31 15:49:44 UTC

Post by Lewis

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

You assume my time isn't worth anything it seems ....
So, figure I'm lying and start perusing all those videos
youself .... and if you don't find any "kneel" pronunciations
then you can feel all superior and everything ....
But my cousin ... everybody calls him "kneel", not "nee-ul".

I've only ever met Kneels.

Kneel is pronounced with two syllables, just like Neil. You'd get your tongue in a twist trying to say it with only one, and probably end up saying Neela. If you just say neel, you'd leave your tongue stuck on your front teeth. Removing it makes a sound.

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Lewis

2015-08-31 21:05:47 UTC

Post by Lewis

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

You assume my time isn't worth anything it seems ....
So, figure I'm lying and start perusing all those videos
youself .... and if you don't find any "kneel" pronunciations
then you can feel all superior and everything ....
But my cousin ... everybody calls him "kneel", not "nee-ul".

I've only ever met Kneels.

Kneel is pronounced with two syllables, just like Neil.

Not in my earshot it isn't. NOAD agrees:

kneel |nil|

One syllable. Always.

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GordonD

2015-08-31 13:41:49 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:32:38 +0100, "Tough Guy no. 1265"

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:25:53 +0100, Dr. Jai Maharaj

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same sound, but I find it
difficult to put an l after an ee. Even the animal "eel" is
pronounce "eeyul" by everyone I've ever heard say it. Basically like
"eagle", without the g.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the
word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

The one you posted. I've listened to all four examples over and over
and I just can't hear two syllables in any of them. Apart from the
surname, of course.

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Peter Duncanson [BrE]

2015-08-31 14:24:40 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:32:38 +0100, "Tough Guy no. 1265"

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:25:53 +0100, Dr. Jai Maharaj

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same sound, but I find it
difficult to put an l after an ee. Even the animal "eel" is
pronounce "eeyul" by everyone I've ever heard say it. Basically like
"eagle", without the g.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the
word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

The one you posted. I've listened to all four examples over and over
and I just can't hear two syllables in any of them. Apart from the
surname, of course.

To me, most pronunciations of kneel/neil/neal have two vowel sounds: ee
followed by a schwa.

I think that technically the two vowels form a diphthong and are
therefore classified as monosyllabic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphthong

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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-31 15:07:41 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:25:53 +0100, Dr. Jai Maharaj

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee,
followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same sound, but I find it
difficult to put an l after an ee. Even the animal "eel" is
pronounce "eeyul" by everyone I've ever heard say it. Basically like
"eagle", without the g.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the
word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

The one you posted. I've listened to all four examples over and over
and I just can't hear two syllables in any of them. Apart from the
surname, of course.

To me, most pronunciations of kneel/neil/neal have two vowel sounds: ee
followed by a schwa.
I think that technically the two vowels form a diphthong and are
therefore classified as monosyllabic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphthong

The dictionary definition I read of a syllable is ONE vowel sound.

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Peter Duncanson [BrE]

2015-08-31 19:07:53 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:25:53 +0100, Dr. Jai Maharaj

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee,
followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same sound, but I find it
difficult to put an l after an ee. Even the animal "eel" is
pronounce "eeyul" by everyone I've ever heard say it. Basically like
"eagle", without the g.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the
word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

The one you posted. I've listened to all four examples over and over
and I just can't hear two syllables in any of them. Apart from the
surname, of course.

To me, most pronunciations of kneel/neil/neal have two vowel sounds: ee
followed by a schwa.
I think that technically the two vowels form a diphthong and are
therefore classified as monosyllabic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphthong

The dictionary definition I read of a syllable is ONE vowel sound.

Yes, but for this purpose it can be a diphthong: an uninterrupted vowel
sound that starts as one vowel and ends as another:
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Diphthong

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Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.english.usage)

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-31 15:07:14 UTC

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:32:38 +0100, "Tough Guy no. 1265"

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:25:53 +0100, Dr. Jai Maharaj

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee, followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same sound, but I find it
difficult to put an l after an ee. Even the animal "eel" is
pronounce "eeyul" by everyone I've ever heard say it. Basically like
"eagle", without the g.

Post by Mr. B1ack
The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the
word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

The one you posted. I've listened to all four examples over and over
and I just can't hear two syllables in any of them. Apart from the
surname, of course.

Knee is one syllable. You have to admit that changing this to kneel adds a vowel sound after than the existing ee. It is almost impossible to make an L sound directly after an ee sound.

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GordonD

2015-08-31 15:11:32 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 14:24:33 +0100, "Tough Guy no. 1265"

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:25:53 +0100, Dr. Jai Maharaj

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee,
followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same sound, but I find it
difficult to put an l after an ee. Even the animal "eel" is
pronounce "eeyul" by everyone I've ever heard say it. Basically like
"eagle", without the g.

The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the
word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

The one you posted. I've listened to all four examples over and over
and I just can't hear two syllables in any of them. Apart from the
surname, of course.

Knee is one syllable. You have to admit that changing this to kneel
adds a vowel sound after than the existing ee.

No, it doesn't.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
It is almost impossible
to make an L sound directly after an ee sound.

No, it isn't.

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Edinburgh, Scotland

Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-31 15:15:05 UTC

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 14:24:33 +0100, "Tough Guy no. 1265"

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:25:53 +0100, Dr. Jai Maharaj

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil
and why? My friend is called Neil and
disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

5 Ways to Count Syllables
http://www.howmanysyllables.com/howtocountsyllables

I have read that. Neil has two distinct vowel sounds. Nee,
followed by ull.

Not in dixieland. It'd be "Neel", not "Ne-Ull".

That is almost impossible to pronounce.

"Nee-Ull" or "Neel" ? The latter, hot-climate, "lazy"
way is easy - and clearly one syllable.

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same sound, but I find it
difficult to put an l after an ee. Even the animal "eel" is
pronounce "eeyul" by everyone I've ever heard say it. Basically like
"eagle", without the g.

The more new-england (or jolly olde BBC) way - "Nee-Ul" -
is clearly two syllables.
So the truth depends on where you are.

Show me an example of it being spoken with one syllable on the internet.

Um ... doesn't work on usenet :-)

You know how to paste a link, right? There must be someone speaking the
word kneel or Neil with one syllable somewhere....

The one you posted. I've listened to all four examples over and over
and I just can't hear two syllables in any of them. Apart from the
surname, of course.

Knee is one syllable. You have to admit that changing this to kneel
adds a vowel sound after than the existing ee.

No, it doesn't.

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
It is almost impossible
to make an L sound directly after an ee sound.

No, it isn't.

I have never ever heard anyone simply add L to the end of knee. If you took a recording of the word knee, then added an L sound to it, it would sound very odd, and rather French. Everyone makes a Y sound in the middle, to allow the mouth to change shape for the L.

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John Dunlop

2015-08-29 08:48:54 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why? My friend is called
Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

The Longman Pronunciation Dictionary gives an optional schwa between the
[i] and the [l]. So sometimes one syllable, sometimes two.

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Whiskers

2015-08-29 23:20:33 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why? My friend is called
Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

It's his name so what he says, is correct. Even if what he says isn't
always what he says.

Other people with names spelt the same may have different opinions but
that's up to them.

I can think of a few pronunciations of 'Neil', with either one or two
syllables.

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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-30 20:37:47 UTC

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why? My friend is called
Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

It's his name so what he says, is correct. Even if what he says isn't
always what he says.
Other people with names spelt the same may have different opinions but
that's up to them.
I can think of a few pronunciations of 'Neil', with either one or two
syllables.

Well me and him both pronounce it the same way.

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Whiskers

2015-08-30 21:25:12 UTC

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 00:20:33 +0100, Whiskers

Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
How many syllables are in the name Neil and why? My friend is
called Neil and disagrees with me over whether it's one or two.

It's his name so what he says, is correct. Even if what he says
isn't always what he says.
Other people with names spelt the same may have different opinions
but that's up to them.
I can think of a few pronunciations of 'Neil', with either one or two
syllables.

Well me and him both pronounce it the same way.

Then counting is what one or the other of you is getting wrong.

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Tough Guy no. 1265

2015-08-30 21:27:39 UTC

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 00:20:33 +0100, Whiskers