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GG
2014-03-27 13:40:15 UTC
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Can one say:

"He was fully _dived_ in the document."

where "dived" would replace "immersed/engrossed/absorbed"?

I am asking, as I found:

[
dive

transitive verb

1
a archaic : to plunge (a person or thing) into water b : to thrust (as
the hand or anything held) into something <dive his hand into the earth
— Mollie Panter-Downes>
]

but is marked "archaic."

Thanks.
Peter T. Daniels
2014-03-27 13:51:03 UTC
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Post by GG
"He was fully _dived_ in the document."
where "dived" would replace "immersed/engrossed/absorbed"?
No. Without the explanation I couldn't fathom what was intended.

You could of course say "He dove eagerly into the document he had
spent months searching the archive for."
Post by GG
dive
transitive verb
1
a archaic : to plunge (a person or thing) into water b : to thrust (as
the hand or anything held) into something <dive his hand into the earth
-- Mollie Panter-Downes>
but is marked "archaic."
No "but" about it. It would seem to be one verb that has thoroughly
lost any possibility of transitive use.

Actually only (a) is marked "archaic" -- presumably because they encountered
the strange use by Panter-Downes -- which since it doesn't involve water
looks like she was trying, and failing, to be "creative."
GG
2014-03-27 17:26:35 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by GG
"He was fully _dived_ in the document."
where "dived" would replace "immersed/engrossed/absorbed"?
No. Without the explanation I couldn't fathom what was intended.
You could of course say "He dove eagerly into the document he had
spent months searching the archive for."
Yes, that I see.
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by GG
dive
transitive verb
1
a archaic : to plunge (a person or thing) into water b : to thrust (as
the hand or anything held) into something <dive his hand into the earth
-- Mollie Panter-Downes>
but is marked "archaic."
No "but" about it. It would seem to be one verb that has thoroughly
lost any possibility of transitive use.
Actually only (a) is marked "archaic" -- presumably because they encountered
the strange use by Panter-Downes -- which since it doesn't involve water
looks like she was trying, and failing, to be "creative."
Thank you very much.
David D S
2014-03-28 14:53:10 UTC
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[...].
You could of course say "He dove eagerly into the document he had
spent months searching the archive for."
Or, if you use British English, you would most likely say say:

"He dived eagerly into the document he had spent months
searching the archive for."
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Jerry Friedman
2014-03-28 18:22:10 UTC
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Post by GG
"He was fully _dived_ in the document."
where "dived" would replace "immersed/engrossed/absorbed"?
[
dive
transitive verb
1
a archaic : to plunge (a person or thing) into water b : to thrust (as
the hand or anything held) into something <dive his hand into the earth
-- Mollie Panter-Downes>
]
but is marked "archaic."
There are a few examples of sense b at COCA, such as

"...when Japanese 'kamikaze' pilots dove their explosive-laden planes into the ships of the U.S. Navy."

"I dove my arm into the satchel and extracted the magnum."

However, those aren't the same thing as "He was fully dived"--what
dived him? The sentence you found strikes me as strange but
comprehensible.
--
Jerry Friedman
Don Phillipson
2014-03-28 21:16:42 UTC
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Post by GG
"He was fully _dived_ in the document."
where "dived" would replace "immersed/engrossed/absorbed"?
[
dive
transitive verb
1
a archaic : to plunge (a person or thing) into water b : to thrust (as
the hand or anything held) into something <dive his hand into the earth
-- Mollie Panter-Downes>
]
but is marked "archaic."
GG is right to spot that "dived" does not mean "immersed/engrossed"
etc. But there are errors in his dictionary. Dive is intransitive much
more often than transitive and is in no way archaic. Such egregious errors
disqualify this dictionary for normal adult use.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Peter T. Daniels
2014-03-29 03:32:38 UTC
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Post by GG
dive
transitive verb
1
a archaic : to plunge (a person or thing) into water b : to thrust (as
the hand or anything held) into something <dive his hand into the earth
-- Mollie Panter-Downes>
GG is right to spot that "dived" does not mean "immersed/engrossed"
etc. But there are errors in his dictionary. Dive is intransitive much
more often than transitive and is in no way archaic. Such egregious errors
disqualify this dictionary for normal adult use.
No; he has quoted only the entry for "dive: transitive verb" and not
the uncontroversial entry for "dive: intransitive verb." And even then,
only the first of more than one numbered meaning.

The formatting suggests it's a Merriam-Webster. It's not the 11th
Collegiate; mng. 2 there, though, is 'cause to dive' <~ a submarine>.
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