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dangling?/providing the tenant a higher status
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navi
2024-10-05 03:04:42 UTC
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1) Sharecropping is not to be conflated with tenant farming, providing
the tenant a higher economic and social status.

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping

Which provide the tenant with a higher economic and social status?

I think the phrase at the end of the sentence is dangling. Would you
agree?

Maybe the writer is trying to cram too much information into a sentence!

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Gratefully,
Navi


Lost in the Twilight Zone of the English language
Obsessed with ambiguity
Interested in strange structures
Aidan Kehoe
2024-10-05 08:19:15 UTC
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Post by navi
1) Sharecropping is not to be conflated with tenant farming, providing
the tenant a higher economic and social status.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping
Which provide the tenant with a higher economic and social status?
I think the phrase at the end of the sentence is dangling. Would you
agree?
Maybe the writer is trying to cram too much information into a sentence!
For me it’s ungrammatical, with its mixture of the present tense with the
present progressive. It also lacks clarity and I suspect was a casualty of the
editing process in Wikipedia.
--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)
HenHanna
2024-10-05 23:31:12 UTC
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Post by navi
Post by navi
1) Sharecropping is not to be conflated with tenant farming,
providing
Post by navi
the tenant a higher economic and social status.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping
Which provide the tenant with a higher economic and social status?
I think the phrase at the end of the sentence is dangling. Would you
agree?
Maybe the writer is trying to cram too much information into a
sentence!
For me it’s ungrammatical, with its mixture of the present tense with the
present progressive. It also lacks clarity and I suspect was a casualty of the
editing process in Wikipedia.
Post by navi
not to be confused
the word was replaced with [conflated] because
it sounded more Sophomoric... typical WP wording


Navi will get more out of ths , if he/she
tries to improve it.


_________________ [dangling] means something else.


A dangling modifier is a word or phrase that describes a word that isn't
clearly stated in a sentence. This grammatical error can make the
meaning of a sentence unclear.

Here are some examples of dangling modifiers:

Incorrect: "By providing students the opportunity to interact
with each other, they become more interested and motivated".
Rich Ulrich
2024-10-06 04:06:55 UTC
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Post by HenHanna
Post by navi
Post by navi
1) Sharecropping is not to be conflated with tenant farming,
providing
Post by navi
the tenant a higher economic and social status.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping
Which provide the tenant with a higher economic and social status?
I think the phrase at the end of the sentence is dangling. Would you
agree?
Maybe the writer is trying to cram too much information into a
sentence!
For me it’s ungrammatical, with its mixture of the present tense with the
present progressive. It also lacks clarity and I suspect was a casualty of the
editing process in Wikipedia.
Post by navi
not to be confused
the word was replaced with [conflated] because
it sounded more Sophomoric... typical WP wording
That sounds possible, but I like another possibility. The
sentence is lousy mainly because it is unclear which is
better.

I don't know what distinctions define tenant farming OR
sharecropping, but the first intention of "conflating" is,
Don't consider sharecropping as a sub-category of
tenant farming (assuming only minor distinctions). Because,
income and status being involved, it will offend people.

As I react to the syntax - it is not clear which one provides
a higher economic status and social status -- the structure
suggests TO ME that "tenant" should be a reference back to
"sharecropper", yet it repeats the word "tenant".

The sentence would be clearer as
1) Sharecropping is not to be conflated with tenant farming,
SINCE [sharecropping | tenant farming] PROVIDES the a higher
economic and social status.
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Rich Ulrich
jerryfriedman
2024-10-06 15:15:41 UTC
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Post by Rich Ulrich
Post by HenHanna
Post by navi
Post by navi
1) Sharecropping is not to be conflated with tenant farming,
providing
Post by navi
the tenant a higher economic and social status.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping
Which provide the tenant with a higher economic and social status?
I think the phrase at the end of the sentence is dangling. Would you
agree?
Maybe the writer is trying to cram too much information into a
sentence!
For me it’s ungrammatical, with its mixture of the present tense with the
present progressive. It also lacks clarity and I suspect was a casualty of the
editing process in Wikipedia.
Post by navi
not to be confused
the word was replaced with [conflated] because
it sounded more Sophomoric... typical WP wording
That sounds possible, but I like another possibility. The
sentence is lousy mainly because it is unclear which is
better.
I don't know what distinctions define tenant farming OR
sharecropping, but the first intention of "conflating" is,
Don't consider sharecropping as a sub-category of
tenant farming (assuming only minor distinctions). Because,
income and status being involved, it will offend people.
I don't think there are a lot of people left who would
be offended.
Post by Rich Ulrich
As I react to the syntax - it is not clear which one provides
a higher economic status and social status -- the structure
suggests TO ME that "tenant" should be a reference back to
"sharecropper", yet it repeats the word "tenant".
The sentence would be clearer as
1) Sharecropping is not to be conflated with tenant farming,
SINCE [sharecropping | tenant farming] PROVIDES the a higher
economic and social status.
Yes, or assuming that tenant farming is the higher one,
"Sharecropping is not to be conflated with tenant
farming, which provides higher economic and social
status."

The other problem with the sentence is that it doesn't
explain how to tell sharecropping from tenant farming.

The Wikiparticle on tenant farming says sharecropping is
a type of tenant farming in which the landlord provides
everything but labor--equipment, seed, and such--and
often supervises the process.

--
Jerry Friedman

Athel Cornish-Bowden
2024-10-05 10:24:03 UTC
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Post by navi
1) Sharecropping is not to be conflated with tenant farming, providing
the tenant a higher economic and social status.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping
Which provide the tenant with a higher economic and social status?
I think the phrase at the end of the sentence is dangling. Would you
agree?
Maybe the writer is trying to cram too much information into a sentence!
Maybe the writer learned English writing style from you.
--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.
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