iis 'whom' falling into disuse

[navi]

1) They hired ten people, three of which were my friends.
2) They hired ten people, three of whom were my friends.

I consider '1' incorrect. Would you agree with me?

And do people say things like '1'? I think they do. Maybe it is because
'whom' is gradually going away.


Check these out:


https://www.google.fr/search?as_q=trump&as_epq=of+which+are+criminals&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&as_filetype=&tbs=

https://tinyurl.com/59xcks3j

I know that DJT and Co. are not known for their good grammar... But
still...

Gratefully,
Navi



--
Gratefully,
Navi


Lost in the Twilight Zone of the English language
Obsessed with ambiguity
Interested in strange structures

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by navi
https://www.google.fr/search?as_q=trump&as_epq=of+which+are+criminals&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&as_filetype=&tbs=

An Ngram with "of which are criminals,of whom are criminals" shows that
there are no examples with "which".

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by navi
1) They hired ten people, three of which were my friends.
2) They hired ten people, three of whom were my friends.
I consider '1' incorrect. Would you agree with me?
And do people say things like '1'? I think they do.

Think what you like, but if you can't find a better example than the
orange loser then that's not a convicing arguments.

Post by navi
Maybe it is because
'whom' is gradually going away.
https://www.google.fr/search?as_q=trump&as_epq=of+which+are+criminals&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&as_filetype=&tbs=
https://tinyurl.com/59xcks3j
I know that DJT and Co. are not known for their good grammar... But
still...

Still nothing. Next you'll be telling us that "bigly" and "covfefe" are
regular words usedby great statesmen.

Post by navi
Gratefully,
Navi

[Janet]

In article <veam39$3jb07$***@dont-email.me>, ***@yahoo.com
says...

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by navi
1) They hired ten people, three of which were my friends.
2) They hired ten people, three of whom were my friends.
I consider '1' incorrect. Would you agree with me?
And do people say things like '1'? I think they do.

Think what you like, but if you can't find a better example than the
orange loser then that's not a convicing arguments.

Post by navi
Maybe it is because
'whom' is gradually going away.

Knowing when to use it, is still alive and well among
educated native speakers.

In Britain, even uneducated native speakers would write
"three of them were my friends". Speaking, many of those
would abbreviate it to "three of 'em were my friends."


Janet.

[navi]

Thank you all very much, for your replies,

Athel, you are really being unfair to me now. We all know the difference
between greatness and having a bloated ego.

--
Gratefully,
Navi


Lost in the Twilight Zone of the English language
Obsessed with ambiguity
Interested in strange structures

[jerryfriedman]

Post by navi
1) They hired ten people, three of which were my friends.
2) They hired ten people, three of whom were my friends.
I consider '1' incorrect. Would you agree with me?
And do people say things like '1'? I think they do. Maybe it is because
'whom' is gradually going away.

..

Certainly some people say such things.

"Just a few days ago, my husband and I attended the
funeral of a colleague of his and a father of three
daughters, two of which are friends with our girls."

https://www.kathyarcher.com/blog/4-practical-resources-to-help-you-deal-with-this-weeks-pain-and-sorrow

As far as I can tell from Google, "whom" seems to
be more common.

I occasionally notice relative "which" referring to
people.

--
Jerry Friedman

[LionelEdwards]

Post by jerryfriedman

Post by navi
1) They hired ten people, three of which were my friends.
2) They hired ten people, three of whom were my friends.
I consider '1' incorrect. Would you agree with me?
And do people say things like '1'? I think they do. Maybe it is because
'whom' is gradually going away.

...
Certainly some people say such things.
"Just a few days ago, my husband and I attended the
funeral of a colleague of his and a father of three
daughters, two of which are friends with our girls."
https://www.kathyarcher.com/blog/4-practical-resources-to-help-you-deal-with-this-weeks-pain-and-sorrow
As far as I can tell from Google, "whom" seems to
be more common.
I occasionally notice relative "which" referring to
people.

We could ask Tennyson:

"We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are."

[jerryfriedman]

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by jerryfriedman

Post by navi
1) They hired ten people, three of which were my friends.
2) They hired ten people, three of whom were my friends.
I consider '1' incorrect. Would you agree with me?
And do people say things like '1'? I think they do. Maybe it is because
'whom' is gradually going away.

...
Certainly some people say such things.
"Just a few days ago, my husband and I attended the
funeral of a colleague of his and a father of three
daughters, two of which are friends with our girls."
https://www.kathyarcher.com/blog/4-practical-resources-to-help-you-deal-with-this-weeks-pain-and-sorrow
As far as I can tell from Google, "whom" seems to
be more common.
I occasionally notice relative "which" referring to
people.

"We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are."

Maybe I could have put it better to cover this kind
of situation where "which" refers to "strength" and
"that". Tennyson wouldn't have written "We are not
now that strong man which..." I imagine.

On the other hand, Jesus referred to his father as
"which", according to King James and his friends.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Bertietaylor]

Post by LionelEdwards

Post by jerryfriedman

Post by navi
1) They hired ten people, three of which were my friends.
2) They hired ten people, three of whom were my friends.
I consider '1' incorrect. Would you agree with me?
And do people say things like '1'? I think they do. Maybe it is because
'whom' is gradually going away.

...
Certainly some people say such things.
"Just a few days ago, my husband and I attended the
funeral of a colleague of his and a father of three
daughters, two of which are friends with our girls."
https://www.kathyarcher.com/blog/4-practical-resources-to-help-you-deal-with-this-weeks-pain-and-sorrow
As far as I can tell from Google, "whom" seems to
be more common.
I occasionally notice relative "which" referring to
people.

"We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are."

Refers to qualities, not persons.

[Paul Carmichael]

I occasionally notice relative "which" referring to people.

I've pretty much always preferred prepositions/conjunctions over relative
pronouns (if the subject has just been mentioned, I don't see the need
for a relative pronoun), but since I've been learning German I'm getting
used to the idea. I don't know why it's so "enforced" in German. I
suppose that in English, "that" can go pretty much anywhere and in
Spanish "que" gets used to death, but maybe "dass" or "das" don't really
look right used that way.

And before anybody shoots me down, I know that "that", "das" and "que"
can be called relative pronouns. I just don't know the terminology to
separate this stuff - I'm comparing them to "who", "whom", "el cual",
"los cuales" etc.

I'll go back to the piano now. Learning walking bass lines. I hope I get
on better with that than I have with English grammar.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by jerryfriedman

Post by navi
1) They hired ten people, three of which were my friends.
2) They hired ten people, three of whom were my friends.
I consider '1' incorrect. Would you agree with me?
And do people say things like '1'? I think they do. Maybe it is because
'whom' is gradually going away.

..
Certainly some people say such things.
"Just a few days ago, my husband and I attended the
funeral of a colleague of his and a father of three
daughters, two of which are friends with our girls."
https://www.kathyarcher.com/blog/4-practical-resources-to-help-you-deal-with-this-weeks-pain-and-sorrow
As far as I can tell from Google, "whom" seems to
be more common.
I occasionally notice relative "which" referring to
people.

As for example in the Lord's Prayer as used in the Church of England
when I were a lad: "Our Father, which art in Heaven..." (though it's
arguable whether the referent is a person).

[kazu]

Post by navi
1) They hired ten people, three of which were my friends.
2) They hired ten people, three of whom were my friends.
I consider '1' incorrect. Would you agree with me?
And do people say things like '1'? I think they do. Maybe it is because
'whom' is gradually going away.

whom is correct.