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Post by FMurtz
What does this statement mean?
My son works in Darling Harbor and lives less than 4kms away in
Rozelle,less than a 5min walk and he can sit in a park overlooking the
harbor.
does it mean less than a 5 minute walk to Rozelle or 5 minute walk to
a park?

To a park. It's a common colloquial way to say that in my experience.
It might be clearer with a period instead of a comma after "Rozelle".

--
Jerry Friedman

Peter Moylan

2018-11-06 09:51:29 UTC

It means he has a highly-paid job. Who but the rich can afford to live
in Rozelle?

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Jack

2018-11-06 19:10:20 UTC

It's a run-on sentence and sort of colloquial. I think it means this:
" My son works in Darling Harbor and lives less than 4 km away in
Rozelle. In less than a 5 minute walk he can sit in a park overlooking
the harbor."
It isn't clear whether the park is 5 minutes from his home or from his
work.

--
John

Jack

2018-11-06 19:19:04 UTC

" My son works in Darling Harbor and lives less than 4 km away in
Rozelle. In less than a 5 minute walk he can sit in a park overlooking
the harbor."
It isn't clear whether the park is 5 minutes from his home or from his
work.

Actually, since the harbor is already mentioned, it's probably five
minutes from work in Darling Harbor to the park overlooking said
harbor.

--
John

Peter Moylan

2018-11-06 22:38:18 UTC

What does this statement mean? My son works in Darling Harbor and
lives less than 4kms away in Rozelle,less than a 5min walk and he
can sit in a park overlooking the harbor. does it mean less than
a 5 minute walk to Rozelle or 5 minute walk to a park?

It's a run-on sentence and sort of colloquial. I think it means
this: " My son works in Darling Harbor and lives less than 4 km
away in Rozelle. In less than a 5 minute walk he can sit in a park
overlooking the harbor." It isn't clear whether the park is 5
minutes from his home or from his work.

Actually, since the harbor is already mentioned, it's probably five
minutes from work in Darling Harbor to the park overlooking said
harbor.

As I read the original, it's from his home. Rozelle is a harbourside
suburb of Sydney.

Further information: Darling Harbour is so heavily commercialised that
there's no park there. (As far as I can recall.) It's all jetty,
occupied by restaurants and various other businesses.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

occam

2018-11-07 07:37:24 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
As I read the original, it's from his home. Rozelle is a harbourside
suburb of Sydney.
Further information: Darling Harbour is so heavily commercialised that
there's no park there. (As far as I can recall.) It's all jetty,
occupied by restaurants and various other businesses.

Which raises the question - what is the smallest patch which can be
called a 'park'. Quite small, if we are to believe this nutter from
Portland, Oregon.

Cheryl

2018-11-07 12:03:35 UTC

Which raises the question - what is the smallest patch which can be
called a 'park'. Quite small, if we are to believe this nutter from
Portland, Oregon.
http://youtu.be/J-i1U2O8_QI

People used to talk of "pocket parks", and certainly we've got a few
pretty tiny patches of grass which are parks. However, I don't know if
anyone other than city council actually calls them parks, and they're
bigger than the one in the video.

--
Cheryl

Peter T. Daniels

2018-11-07 14:36:20 UTC

Which raises the question - what is the smallest patch which can be
called a 'park'. Quite small, if we are to believe this nutter from
Portland, Oregon.
http://youtu.be/J-i1U2O8_QI

The first(?) one is on E. 53rd St., just east of Fifth Avenue. It's called
Paley Park (donated and presumably maintained by the William Paley family
or foundation; he was the head of CBS for a long time). It's a single lot.
probably 25' x 100', formerly occupied by some sort of commercial building.
It's paved with cobblestones, and at the back end is a high, roaring water-
fall that drowns out city noises. There are wrought-iron tables and chairs
scattered about, and a snack bar with hot dogs and such; it's often called
an "oasis" in the heart of Midtown. It was there before I left for Chicago,
so installed in the (late) 1960s.

There are also more conventional parks on similar-sized plots scattered
throughout NYC, often as a result of neighborhood action. When a building
had to be removed, it wasn't immediately replaced by a parking lot, but
was landscaped; sometimes, outlaw "community gardens" were establisned,
which eventually got official recognition, where neighbors could grow some
vegetables and sometimes flowers and such.

bill van

2018-11-07 21:23:12 UTC

Which raises the question - what is the smallest patch which can be
called a 'park'. Quite small, if we are to believe this nutter from
Portland, Oregon.
http://youtu.be/J-i1U2O8_QI

That is a small traffic circle with a planted area in the centre.
Vancouver has many of those
in neighbourhoods where fast driving is discouraged. People plant
shrubs and flowers
in then. They look like this:

<https://miss604.com/2012/05/west-end-traffic-circle-gardens.html>

Post by Cheryl
People used to talk of "pocket parks", and certainly we've got a few
pretty tiny patches of grass which are parks. However, I don't know if
anyone other than city council actually calls them parks, and they're
bigger than the one in the video.

We also have "pocket parks", which used to be intersections that have
been closed to traffic
and equipped with planters, trees, flower beds and benches. The West
End of Vancouver
used to be something motorists sped through to get from one major
street to another.
Now, with a lot of traffic calming in place, it's a terrific walkable
and cyclable neighbourhood;
many of the streets have tree "canopies" and in autumn when the leaves
turn, we get leaf tourists.

bill

Peter Moylan

2018-11-08 00:22:14 UTC

Post by bill van
That is a small traffic circle with a planted area in the centre.
Vancouver has many of those in neighbourhoods where fast driving is
discouraged. People plant shrubs and flowers in then. They look like
<https://miss604.com/2012/05/west-end-traffic-circle-gardens.html>

Just this morning I read a complaint in our newspaper about what
councils plant in roundabouts (of which we have many, both big and
small). Newcastle has a number of examples where the shrubs are tall
enough to block a driver's view of the traffic.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

RHDraney

2018-11-08 00:53:16 UTC

The solution to that here is to have an election, which ensures that
campaign signs will spring up to block the drivers' view of the shrubs....r

Peter Moylan

2018-11-08 01:07:59 UTC

Post by bill van
That is a small traffic circle with a planted area in the centre.
Vancouver has many of those in neighbourhoods where fast driving
is discouraged. People plant shrubs and flowers in then. They
<https://miss604.com/2012/05/west-end-traffic-circle-gardens.html>

Just this morning I read a complaint in our newspaper about what
councils plant in roundabouts (of which we have many, both big and
small). Newcastle has a number of examples where the shrubs are
tall enough to block a driver's view of the traffic.

The solution to that here is to have an election, which ensures that
campaign signs will spring up to block the drivers' view of the shrubs....r

Sometimes, at election time, a local council here will employ people to
go around and rip down the political posters that have been illegally
placed on public land.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Tony Cooper

2018-11-08 03:28:44 UTC

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 12:07:59 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by RHDraney
The solution to that here is to have an election, which ensures that
campaign signs will spring up to block the drivers' view of the shrubs....r

Sometimes, at election time, a local council here will employ people to
go around and rip down the political posters that have been illegally
placed on public land.

As it's the day after the election, I was curious about the political
signs ("Vote for...") that dot the landscape here. Turns out, in
Florida, it's a county-by-county thing as far as the requirement to
remove them.

In the county I live in, a candidate is required to get a permit to
put up signs and leave a deposit of $100 for an unlimited number of
signs of less than 32 square feet each.

The signs must be removed within 14 days after the election or the
deposit is forfeited.

We'll see what happens, but a candidate's best choice is to leave the
signs up and let the county remove them. The $100 forfeited is less
than the cost of paying someone to remove them if they pay someone 50
cents per sign removed. Two hundred signs for a candidate in just
this county is not unusual.

The signs I'm thinking of are this type:
https://jackrabbitsigns.net/political-signs-raleigh/

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Ken Blake

2018-11-08 17:21:02 UTC

On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 22:28:44 -0500, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper
On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 12:07:59 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by RHDraney
The solution to that here is to have an election, which ensures that
campaign signs will spring up to block the drivers' view of the shrubs....r

Sometimes, at election time, a local council here will employ people to
go around and rip down the political posters that have been illegally
placed on public land.

As it's the day after the election, I was curious about the political
signs ("Vote for...") that dot the landscape here. Turns out, in
Florida, it's a county-by-county thing as far as the requirement to
remove them.
In the county I live in, a candidate is required to get a permit to
put up signs and leave a deposit of $100 for an unlimited number of
signs of less than 32 square feet each.
The signs must be removed within 14 days after the election or the
deposit is forfeited.
We'll see what happens, but a candidate's best choice is to leave the
signs up and let the county remove them. The $100 forfeited is less
than the cost of paying someone to remove them if they pay someone 50
cents per sign removed. Two hundred signs for a candidate in just
this county is not unusual.
https://jackrabbitsigns.net/political-signs-raleigh/

Those signs are typical of the signs I also see here in Arizona these
days. They're probably not just in Florida and Arizona, but all over
the country. They tell you the name of the candidate and perhaps what
position he's running for (but the position is often in such small
type that it can't readily be read). They tell you nothing about what
party he's with, nor what his stance is on any issue.

I don't understand why such signs are put up. As far as I'm concerned,
they're useless. Besides being a blight on the landscape, they do
nothing to convince a voter that that's the candidate he should vote
for. Why should I vote for Daniel Johnson (to use one of the names in
the web site you posted) if I know nothing about him, what party he's
with, or what he would do if he were elected?

And even if I knew all those things about Daniel Johnson, I wouldn't
vote for him simply because he had more signs on the roads than his
opponent.

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-11-08 17:50:33 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 22:28:44 -0500, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper
On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 12:07:59 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by RHDraney
The solution to that here is to have an election, which ensures that
campaign signs will spring up to block the drivers' view of the shrubs....r

Sometimes, at election time, a local council here will employ people to
go around and rip down the political posters that have been illegally
placed on public land.

As it's the day after the election, I was curious about the political
signs ("Vote for...") that dot the landscape here. Turns out, in
Florida, it's a county-by-county thing as far as the requirement to
remove them.
In the county I live in, a candidate is required to get a permit to
put up signs and leave a deposit of $100 for an unlimited number of
signs of less than 32 square feet each.
The signs must be removed within 14 days after the election or the
deposit is forfeited.
We'll see what happens, but a candidate's best choice is to leave the
signs up and let the county remove them. The $100 forfeited is less
than the cost of paying someone to remove them if they pay someone 50
cents per sign removed. Two hundred signs for a candidate in just
this county is not unusual.
https://jackrabbitsigns.net/political-signs-raleigh/

Those signs are typical of the signs I also see here in Arizona these
days. They're probably not just in Florida and Arizona, but all over
the country. They tell you the name of the candidate and perhaps what
position he's running for (but the position is often in such small
type that it can't readily be read). They tell you nothing about what
party he's with, nor what his stance is on any issue.
I don't understand why such signs are put up. As far as I'm concerned,
they're useless. Besides being a blight on the landscape, they do
nothing to convince a voter that that's the candidate he should vote
for. Why should I vote for Daniel Johnson (to use one of the names in
the web site you posted) if I know nothing about him, what party he's
with, or what he would do if he were elected?
And even if I knew all those things about Daniel Johnson, I wouldn't
vote for him simply because he had more signs on the roads than his
opponent.

Subliminal messaging works a lot better than you apparently give it
credit for!

Ken Blake

2018-11-08 18:21:45 UTC

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 09:50:33 -0800 (PST), Madrigal Gurneyhalt

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 22:28:44 -0500, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper
On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 12:07:59 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by RHDraney
The solution to that here is to have an election, which ensures that
campaign signs will spring up to block the drivers' view of the shrubs....r

Sometimes, at election time, a local council here will employ people to
go around and rip down the political posters that have been illegally
placed on public land.

As it's the day after the election, I was curious about the political
signs ("Vote for...") that dot the landscape here. Turns out, in
Florida, it's a county-by-county thing as far as the requirement to
remove them.
In the county I live in, a candidate is required to get a permit to
put up signs and leave a deposit of $100 for an unlimited number of
signs of less than 32 square feet each.
The signs must be removed within 14 days after the election or the
deposit is forfeited.
We'll see what happens, but a candidate's best choice is to leave the
signs up and let the county remove them. The $100 forfeited is less
than the cost of paying someone to remove them if they pay someone 50
cents per sign removed. Two hundred signs for a candidate in just
this county is not unusual.
https://jackrabbitsigns.net/political-signs-raleigh/

Those signs are typical of the signs I also see here in Arizona these
days. They're probably not just in Florida and Arizona, but all over
the country. They tell you the name of the candidate and perhaps what
position he's running for (but the position is often in such small
type that it can't readily be read). They tell you nothing about what
party he's with, nor what his stance is on any issue.
I don't understand why such signs are put up. As far as I'm concerned,
they're useless. Besides being a blight on the landscape, they do
nothing to convince a voter that that's the candidate he should vote
for. Why should I vote for Daniel Johnson (to use one of the names in
the web site you posted) if I know nothing about him, what party he's
with, or what he would do if he were elected?
And even if I knew all those things about Daniel Johnson, I wouldn't
vote for him simply because he had more signs on the roads than his
opponent.

Subliminal messaging works a lot better than you apparently give it
credit for!

Maybe for some people. For me, such signs are useless. With so little
information about the candidate, I ignore the signs and don't even
remember the names on them.

Peter T. Daniels

2018-11-08 21:48:51 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 09:50:33 -0800 (PST), Madrigal Gurneyhalt

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 22:28:44 -0500, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper
https://jackrabbitsigns.net/political-signs-raleigh/

Those signs are typical of the signs I also see here in Arizona these
days. They're probably not just in Florida and Arizona, but all over
the country. They tell you the name of the candidate and perhaps what
position he's running for (but the position is often in such small
type that it can't readily be read). They tell you nothing about what
party he's with, nor what his stance is on any issue.
I don't understand why such signs are put up. As far as I'm concerned,
they're useless. Besides being a blight on the landscape, they do
nothing to convince a voter that that's the candidate he should vote
for. Why should I vote for Daniel Johnson (to use one of the names in
the web site you posted) if I know nothing about him, what party he's
with, or what he would do if he were elected?
And even if I knew all those things about Daniel Johnson, I wouldn't
vote for him simply because he had more signs on the roads than his
opponent.

Subliminal messaging works a lot better than you apparently give it
credit for!

Maybe for some people. For me, such signs are useless. With so little
information about the candidate, I ignore the signs and don't even
remember the names on them.

That's exactly what they want him to think! See, they're working!

RHDraney

2018-11-08 20:40:22 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
Those signs are typical of the signs I also see here in Arizona these
days. They're probably not just in Florida and Arizona, but all over
the country. They tell you the name of the candidate and perhaps what
position he's running for (but the position is often in such small
type that it can't readily be read). They tell you nothing about what
party he's with, nor what his stance is on any issue.

Ah, but they *do* tell you what party he's with...if the predominant
color of the sign is blue, he's a Democrat; if it's red, he's a
Republican....

Did you have the green signs down your way this time out urging people
to "vote for homie" (all lowercase)?...nobody with that name was on any
ballot, and one of the TV stations did some digging and found out that
they were advertisements for some real-estate company that wanted to
encourage home ownership....r

Ken Blake

2018-11-08 23:30:19 UTC

Ah, but they *do* tell you what party he's with...if the predominant
color of the sign is blue, he's a Democrat; if it's red, he's a
Republican....

Interesting. I never thought of that before. But although some signs
might be predominantly blue and others predominantly red, some are
neither.

And of course, unless that color-coding is made clear to the public,
it turns out to be meaningless.

I'll try to remember to look at the signs that are still up tomorrow
morning.

Post by RHDraney
Did you have the green signs down your way this time out urging people
to "vote for homie" (all lowercase)?...

No.

s***@gmail.com

2018-11-09 01:04:36 UTC

Post by Ken Blake

Ah, but they *do* tell you what party he's with...if the predominant
color of the sign is blue, he's a Democrat; if it's red, he's a
Republican....

Interesting. I never thought of that before. But although some signs
might be predominantly blue and others predominantly red, some are
neither.
And of course, unless that color-coding is made clear to the public,
it turns out to be meaningless.

Around here, many are for local offices that are officially "non-partisan".
Color allegedly doesn't matter, just name recognition.

Post by Ken Blake
I'll try to remember to look at the signs that are still up tomorrow
morning.

Post by RHDraney
Did you have the green signs down your way this time out urging people
to "vote for homie" (all lowercase)?...

No.

sad

/dps

Peter Moylan

2018-11-09 06:38:05 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
Those signs are typical of the signs I also see here in Arizona
these days. They're probably not just in Florida and Arizona, but
all over the country. They tell you the name of the candidate and
perhaps what position he's running for (but the position is often
in such small type that it can't readily be read). They tell you
nothing about what party he's with, nor what his stance is on any
issue.

Ah, but they *do* tell you what party he's with...if the predominant
color of the sign is blue, he's a Democrat; if it's red, he's a
Republican....

The US finally seems to have settled on that colour code, but with
questionable justification.

Around these parts, anyone flying a red flag is a socialist, and the
blue-bloods are right-wingers.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

RHDraney

2018-11-09 11:46:55 UTC

Post by RHDraney
...if the predominant
color of the sign is blue, he's a Democrat; if it's red, he's a
Republican....

The US finally seems to have settled on that colour code, but with
questionable justification.
Around these parts, anyone flying a red flag is a socialist, and the
blue-bloods are right-wingers.

The original intent was to have a consistent code that would alternate
with each election...first red would be right and blue left, then next
time out it'd be the other way round...the idea was that swapping the
correspondence each time would reduce any bias caused by other
associations people might have for one color or the other...problem is
that after they did it the first time they forgot to alternate and now
"red state" is a permanent association, one that just happens to
contradict the traditional one....r

Peter T. Daniels

2018-11-09 22:15:16 UTC

Post by RHDraney
...if the predominant
color of the sign is blue, he's a Democrat; if it's red, he's a
Republican....

The US finally seems to have settled on that colour code, but with
questionable justification.
Around these parts, anyone flying a red flag is a socialist, and the
blue-bloods are right-wingers.

Where are you getting that from? There were explanations back in '04 when
Obama's keynote referred to "not red America and blue America but purple
America." The three networks used to each pick whatever color scheme they
thought would look best in their election night coverage, and in 2000 they
just all happened to pick R = red, D = blue, and stuck with them for '02.

Sam Plusnet

2018-11-09 19:16:37 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
Those signs are typical of the signs I also see here in Arizona
these days. They're probably not just in Florida and Arizona, but
all over the country. They tell you the name of the candidate and
perhaps what position he's running for (but the position is often
in such small type that it can't readily be read). They tell you
nothing about what party he's with, nor what his stance is on any
issue.

Ah, but they *do* tell you what party he's with...if the predominant
color of the sign is blue, he's a Democrat; if it's red, he's a
Republican....

The US finally seems to have settled on that colour code, but with
questionable justification.
Around these parts, anyone flying a red flag is a socialist, and the
blue-bloods are right-wingers.

And here.
I still have to remind myself that the cousins do it all backwards.
(d&ra)

--
Sam Plusnet

Peter Moylan

2018-11-10 04:41:22 UTC

Post by RHDraney
Ah, but they *do* tell you what party he's with...if the predominant
color of the sign is blue, he's a Democrat; if it's red, he's a
Republican....

The US finally seems to have settled on that colour code, but with
questionable justification.
Around these parts, anyone flying a red flag is a socialist, and the
blue-bloods are right-wingers.

And here.
I still have to remind myself that the cousins do it all backwards.
(d&ra)

Yet that was the country that invented the slogan "Better dead than red".

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2018-11-09 13:51:52 UTC

Ah, but they *do* tell you what party he's with...if the predominant
color of the sign is blue, he's a Democrat; if it's red, he's a
Republican....

Maybe it's time to revive the old slogan Better Dead than Red.

--
athel

bill van

2018-11-08 04:10:21 UTC

In Vancouver they're used only on quiet streets, with the intent of keeping
tem that way. There's not much traffic to view.

(However, following a hunch, I ran a search for city bylaws. Plantings
in those traffic circles
may not grow to more than 60 cm high.)

bill

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2018-11-08 08:08:41 UTC

Post by bill van

In Vancouver they're used only on quiet streets, with the intent of keeping
tem that way. There's not much traffic to view.
(However, following a hunch, I ran a search for city bylaws. Plantings
in those traffic circles
may not grow to more than 60 cm high.)

Do your laws have authority over plants? Do the plants pay any attention?

--
athel

Snidely

2018-11-08 10:14:16 UTC

Post by bill van

In Vancouver they're used only on quiet streets, with the intent of keeping
tem that way. There's not much traffic to view.
(However, following a hunch, I ran a search for city bylaws. Plantings in
those traffic circles
may not grow to more than 60 cm high.)

Do your laws have authority over plants? Do the plants pay any attention?

They do when the Public Works employee pulls out the weed whacker.

/dps

--
Maybe C282Y is simply one of the hangers-on, a groupie following a
future guitar god of the human genome: an allele with undiscovered
virtuosity, currently soloing in obscurity in Mom's garage.
Bradley Wertheim, theAtlantic.com, Jan 10 2013

J. J. Lodder

2018-11-08 08:36:53 UTC

But blocking the view is just the point of having plantings,
or rocks, or works of art, or whatever.
Anything to block the view.

Drivers should not be distracted by seeing trafic on the other side.
They should look at what is coming at them on the roundabout itself,

Jan

s***@gmail.com

2018-11-09 00:58:48 UTC

But blocking the view is just the point of having plantings,
or rocks, or works of art, or whatever.
Anything to block the view.

No, it's just decoration. I didn't have audio on when checking the original clip,
but Mill Ends Park began as a joke by a journalist (daily columnist)
who may have been mentioned in the spoken track.

Post by J. J. Lodder
Drivers should not be distracted by seeing trafic on the other side.
They should look at what is coming at them on the roundabout itself,

That can be managed by many of us without blocking the view,
and still handle the case where the traffic is a Charger/Camaro/Mustang going 60+.

/dps

J. J. Lodder

2018-11-11 12:42:02 UTC

But blocking the view is just the point of having plantings,
or rocks, or works of art, or whatever.
Anything to block the view.

No, it's just decoration. I didn't have audio on when checking the
original clip, but Mill Ends Park began as a joke by a journalist (daily
columnist) who may have been mentioned in the spoken track.

Post by J. J. Lodder
Drivers should not be distracted by seeing trafic on the other side.
They should look at what is coming at them on the roundabout itself,

That can be managed by many of us without blocking the view, and still
handle the case where the traffic is a Charger/Camaro/Mustang going 60+.

The laws of mechanics are harder to ignore than human laws,

Jan

Cheryl

2018-11-08 11:18:56 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if ever.
A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus) almost
daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The centre of
the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does seem to be
working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and promptly lost
the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too confusing" roundabout
and the older "simpler" way of navigating the area by car. It was
perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was thoroughly familiar
with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for people who didn't
routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.

https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/

https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

--
Cheryl

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2018-11-08 18:00:55 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for
people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

I feel more confused by the video than I did by looking at the map.
However, I'm not likely to be driving in St Johns any time soon. They
should try the Magic Roundabout in Swindon. Or maybe they could some
practice on this one first:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.6980055,-0.8826399,320m/data=!3m1!1e

--
athel

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-11-08 19:19:13 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for
people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

That looks like something someone drew at a Christmas party for a joke!
Unbelievable!

Sam Plusnet

2018-11-08 21:54:10 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for
people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

That looks like something someone drew at a Christmas party for a joke!
Unbelievable!

There are quite a few of those around.

When a new road scheme is built there's often provision made for some
other section of new road to be added later.

The pointless roundabout is the point of departure for that later bit of
road building (which may not ever attract the funds needed).

--
Sam Plusnet

David Kleinecke

2018-11-08 22:14:51 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for
people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

That looks like something someone drew at a Christmas party for a joke!
Unbelievable!

There are quite a few of those around.
When a new road scheme is built there's often provision made for some
other section of new road to be added later.
The pointless roundabout is the point of departure for that later bit of
road building (which may not ever attract the funds needed).
--
Sam Plusnet

We have a few roundabouts locally. One of them is quite
satisfactory but the other two - on either side of a
crossing over the freeway (highway 101) - are engineering
failures because they were designed too small. To solve
that they have closed the inner lane and restricted
traffic to the outer lane. This fix works poorly because
the street involved is rather busy. But I haven't heard
any call for replacing them.

s***@gmail.com

2018-11-09 00:54:53 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for
people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

That looks like something someone drew at a Christmas party for a joke!
Unbelievable!

There are quite a few of those around.
When a new road scheme is built there's often provision made for some
other section of new road to be added later.
The pointless roundabout is the point of departure for that later bit of
road building (which may not ever attract the funds needed).

Ah, and here I thought it was for people who couldn't make up their minds. Or who forgot which way to the store.

/dps

Sam Plusnet

2018-11-09 01:51:07 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for
people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

That looks like something someone drew at a Christmas party for a joke!
Unbelievable!

There are quite a few of those around.
When a new road scheme is built there's often provision made for some
other section of new road to be added later.
The pointless roundabout is the point of departure for that later bit of
road building (which may not ever attract the funds needed).

Ah, and here I thought it was for people who couldn't make up their minds. Or who forgot which way to the store.

They're also pretty useful for large vehicles when a u-turn is required.

A factory not too far from here has signs which bar lorries from turning
right on departure.

They instead turn left, and do a 360 at the roundabout half a mile down
the road.

(Substitute Left for Right & vice versa, if you live somewhere where
driving on the left is the norm.)

--
Sam Plusnet

s***@gmail.com

2018-11-09 03:06:21 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for
people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

That looks like something someone drew at a Christmas party for a joke!
Unbelievable!

There are quite a few of those around.
When a new road scheme is built there's often provision made for some
other section of new road to be added later.
The pointless roundabout is the point of departure for that later bit of
road building (which may not ever attract the funds needed).

Ah, and here I thought it was for people who couldn't make up their minds. Or who forgot which way to the store.

360 sounds good.

Post by Sam Plusnet
(Substitute Left for Right & vice versa, if you live somewhere where
driving on the left is the norm.)

There is no substitute for Right. Dexter makes Might.

/dps

Kerr-Mudd,John

2018-11-09 10:06:31 UTC

On Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:00:49 UTC, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by bill van
That is a small traffic circle with a planted area in the
centre. Vancouver has many of those in neighbourhoods where
fast driving is discouraged. People plant shrubs and flowers in
<https://miss604.com/2012/05/west-end-traffic-circle-gardens.htm
l>

Just this morning I read a complaint in our newspaper about what
councils plant in roundabouts (of which we have many, both big
and small). Newcastle has a number of examples where the shrubs
are tall enough to block a driver's view of the traffic.

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and
cautiously. A couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been
to in years, if ever. A couple are planned for an area I go
through (on foot or bus) almost daily. And one is now in a trial
phase in an older area. The centre of the "roundabout" has
buildings, not merely plants! It does seem to be working better
than the previous arrangement. I saw - and promptly lost the link
to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too confusing" roundabout
and the older "simpler" way of navigating the area by car. It was
perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was thoroughly
familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for
people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-h
ow-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227
012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

I feel more confused by the video than I did by looking at the
map. However, I'm not likely to be driving in St Johns any time
soon. They should try the Magic Roundabout in Swindon. Or maybe
!1e

That looks like something someone drew at a Christmas party for a
joke! Unbelievable!

There are quite a few of those around.
When a new road scheme is built there's often provision made for
some other section of new road to be added later.
The pointless roundabout is the point of departure for that later
bit of road building (which may not ever attract the funds needed).

Ah, and here I thought it was for people who couldn't make up their
minds. Or who forgot which way to the store.

They're also pretty useful for large vehicles when a u-turn is
required.
A factory not too far from here has signs which bar lorries from
turning right on departure.
They instead turn left, and do a 360 at the roundabout half a mile
down the road.
(Substitute Left for Right & vice versa, if you live somewhere where
driving on the left is the norm.)

ITYM driving on the Right. Get some sleep!

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

HVS

2018-11-09 10:24:25 UTC

On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 01:51:07 +0000, Sam Plusnet <***@home.com> wrote:

-snip -

Post by Sam Plusnet
A factory not too far from here has signs which bar lorries from turning
right on departure.
They instead turn left, and do a 360 at the roundabout half a mile down
the road.

Ummm... 360?

RHDraney

2018-11-09 11:47:36 UTC

Post by HVS
-snip -

Post by Sam Plusnet
A factory not too far from here has signs which bar lorries from

turning

Post by Sam Plusnet
right on departure.
They instead turn left, and do a 360 at the roundabout half a mile

down

Post by Sam Plusnet
the road.

Ummm... 360?

ObMetric: he means 6.28....r

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-11-09 11:53:40 UTC

Post by HVS
-snip -

Post by Sam Plusnet
A factory not too far from here has signs which bar lorries from

turning

Post by Sam Plusnet
right on departure.
They instead turn left, and do a 360 at the roundabout half a mile

down

Post by Sam Plusnet
the road.

Ummm... 360?

Yes. They come right round the roundabout and leave on the
opposite lane of the same road they entered from. It's a 180
orientation wise, of course, but the lorry has done all 360 of
the roundabout. Consider it a paradox!

s***@gmail.com

2018-11-10 01:42:50 UTC

Post by HVS
-snip -

Post by Sam Plusnet
A factory not too far from here has signs which bar lorries from

turning

Post by Sam Plusnet
right on departure.
They instead turn left, and do a 360 at the roundabout half a mile

down

Post by Sam Plusnet
the road.

Ummm... 360?

I'd buy into 320 from the map, but not 360 ... which would imply
a left turn across the lane they came in on.

/dps

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2018-11-09 13:33:00 UTC

Post by HVS
-snip -

Post by Sam Plusnet
A factory not too far from here has signs which bar lorries from

turning

Post by Sam Plusnet
right on departure.
They instead turn left, and do a 360 at the roundabout half a mile

down

Post by Sam Plusnet
the road.

Ummm... 360?

When you arrive in Marseilles from the north via the tunnel under the
sea and want to continue along the coast you need to do a 450° turn.

--
athel

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2018-11-09 13:30:26 UTC

[ ... ]
They're also pretty useful for large vehicles when a u-turn is required.
A factory not too far from here has signs which bar lorries from
turning right on departure.
They instead turn left, and do a 360 at the roundabout half a mile down
the road.
(Substitute Left for Right & vice versa, if you live somewhere where
driving on the left is the norm.)

When I went on a school trip to Russia in 1960 we spent a few days in
Leningrad followed by a few in Moscow. The road were wide and the
traffic (then) was light. Turning left at any junction was forbidden,
but you could turn right without stopping (not even a token stop, as in
California). Apparently anticlockwise U-turns were OK, so when a bus
wanted to turn left it first turned right and a few metres along it did
a U-turn -- all this without stopping, even briefly.

--
athel

FMurtz

2018-11-12 11:17:34 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for
people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

That looks like something someone drew at a Christmas party for a joke!
Unbelievable!

looks like it is just for u/turns

Peter Moylan

2018-11-09 06:58:48 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I feel more confused by the video than I did by looking at the map.
However, I'm not likely to be driving in St Johns any time soon.
They should try the Magic Roundabout in Swindon. Or maybe they could

I wanted to follow up with an example of a roundabout over a freeway,
but it turned out that the mapmakers have used colour coding to create
the impression of a topological implausibility. Here it is:

https://goo.gl/maps/zMoYLbXoVqM2

(The narrow paths under the roundabout are bicycle paths, but the map
doesn't make it clear how you cross from west to east by bicycle. The
cyclists don't find it obvious either.)

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Kerr-Mudd,John

2018-11-09 10:11:13 UTC

On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 06:58:48 GMT, Peter Moylan

I wanted to follow up with an example of a roundabout over a freeway,
but it turned out that the mapmakers have used colour coding to create
https://goo.gl/maps/zMoYLbXoVqM2
(The narrow paths under the roundabout are bicycle paths, but the map
doesn't make it clear how you cross from west to east by bicycle. The
cyclists don't find it obvious either.)

Of course! There /has/ to be a Jesmond near the University of Newcastle.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Peter Moylan

2018-11-09 13:14:23 UTC

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 06:58:48 GMT, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan
I wanted to follow up with an example of a roundabout over a
freeway, but it turned out that the mapmakers have used colour
coding to create the impression of a topological implausibility.
https://goo.gl/maps/zMoYLbXoVqM2
(The narrow paths under the roundabout are bicycle paths, but the
map doesn't make it clear how you cross from west to east by
bicycle. The cyclists don't find it obvious either.)

Of course! There /has/ to be a Jesmond near the University of
Newcastle.

Jesmond was in place before the university was, though. The present
campus was established in the 1970s.

That's not the only match. Wallsend is just down the road from my home.
Or I can go in the other direction and get to Gateshead. Near central
Newcastle we have Wickham (with only one 'h') and Stockton. Killingworth
is a little west of me. Ravensworth is some distance away.

To break the pattern, the nearest suburb to my home (apart from my own
suburb, of course) is Cardiff.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Kerr-Mudd,John

2018-11-09 16:12:37 UTC

On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 13:14:23 GMT, Peter Moylan

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 06:58:48 GMT, Peter Moylan

Of course! There /has/ to be a Jesmond near the University of
Newcastle.

Killingworth

Post by Peter Moylan
is a little west of me. Ravensworth is some distance away.
To break the pattern, the nearest suburb to my home (apart from my own
suburb, of course) is Cardiff.

I would love it if there was a Splott near it; sadly Google maps decided
I wanted the Cardiff (Wales) one, as they couldn't find an Australian
placename.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-11-09 16:44:33 UTC

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 13:14:23 GMT, Peter Moylan

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 06:58:48 GMT, Peter Moylan

Of course! There /has/ to be a Jesmond near the University of Newcastle.

Killingworth

Post by Peter Moylan
is a little west of me. Ravensworth is some distance away.
To break the pattern, the nearest suburb to my home (apart from my own
suburb, of course) is Cardiff.

I would love it if there was a Splott near it; sadly Google maps decided
I wanted the Cardiff (Wales) one, as they couldn't find an Australian
placename.

Huh?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Cardiff+NSW+2285,+Australia/

Sam Plusnet

2018-11-09 19:21:19 UTC

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 13:14:23 GMT, Peter Moylan

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 06:58:48 GMT, Peter Moylan

Of course! There /has/ to be a Jesmond near the University of Newcastle.

Killingworth

Post by Peter Moylan
is a little west of me. Ravensworth is some distance away.
To break the pattern, the nearest suburb to my home (apart from my own
suburb, of course) is Cardiff.

I would love it if there was a Splott near it; sadly Google maps decided
I wanted the Cardiff (Wales) one, as they couldn't find an Australian
placename.

Huh?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Cardiff+NSW+2285,+Australia/

Is there a Splott on that map? I didn't splott it.

--
Sam Plusnet

Kerr-Mudd,John

2018-11-09 19:54:32 UTC

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 13:14:23 GMT, Peter Moylan

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 06:58:48 GMT, Peter Moylan

Of course! There /has/ to be a Jesmond near the University of Newcastle.

Killingworth

Post by Peter Moylan
is a little west of me. Ravensworth is some distance away.
To break the pattern, the nearest suburb to my home (apart from my
own suburb, of course) is Cardiff.

I would love it if there was a Splott near it; sadly Google maps
decided I wanted the Cardiff (Wales) one, as they couldn't find an
Australian placename.

Huh?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Cardiff+NSW+2285,+Australia/

Is there a Splott on that map? I didn't splott it.

Quite. And there's no Ozzie Bridgend between Swansea and Cardiff.

Though, to complete some kind of circle, there is a Newcastle in
Bridgend.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-11-09 11:45:42 UTC

I wanted to follow up with an example of a roundabout over a freeway,
but it turned out that the mapmakers have used colour coding to create
https://goo.gl/maps/zMoYLbXoVqM2

The satellite view makes it easier to understand.

phil

2018-11-09 08:16:19 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple
for people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

This one in Hemel Hempstead
<https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.7462445,-0.4730247,18z>
used to be a single very large roundabout until sometime around the
mid-70s (I think). The first time I met it in its new form, I went round
the long way as I was used to. Only afterwards did I realise with some
pleasure that I could have followed any of a multitude of paths through it.

Jerry Friedman

2018-11-09 14:58:10 UTC

...

Post by phil

Post by Cheryl
We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple
for people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

This one in Hemel Hempstead
used to be a single very large roundabout until sometime around the
mid-70s (I think). The first time I met it in its new form, I went round
the long way as I was used to. Only afterwards did I realise with some
pleasure that I could have followed any of a multitude of paths through it.

You people are nuts. No offense. Uh, am I supposed to say "eccentric"?

--
Jerry Friedman

Richard Tobin

2018-11-09 15:08:15 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
You people are nuts. No offense. Uh, am I supposed to say "eccentric"?

"Epicyclic" might be more accurate.

-- Richard

Jerry Friedman

2018-11-09 15:15:59 UTC

Post by Richard Tobin

Post by Jerry Friedman
You people are nuts. No offense. Uh, am I supposed to say "eccentric"?

"Epicyclic" might be more accurate.

I was having trouble retaining my equantimity.

--
Jerry Friedman

bill van

2018-11-08 18:59:56 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for
people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

That's a much more complex arrangement than our little traffic circles
in the West End of Vancouver. Your link
shows a series of one-way streets that let you navigate around an
irregular area of several blocks. Ours are
round flower beds in the middle of quiet intersections with little traffic.

bill

Cheryl

2018-11-08 20:43:00 UTC

Post by bill van

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple
for people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/
https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

I think the local council is enamoured of traffic circles as a method
for high traffic areas - their next targets are intersections on either
end of the university campus, one of which has sprouted more and more
traffic signs in an effort to reduce its reputation as "city
intersection with the most traffic accidents". Quiet residential areas
don't seem to have traffic circles.

I'm never quite sure which little patches of grass (with maybe a bench)
are officially pocket parks and which merely small areas that have be
kind of adopted by someone or some group.

This one- it actually looks bigger than it is in the photo, but it is a
small area made pretty useless by the expansion of the roads around it.
It used to be a cemetery for one of the nearby churches, but the bodies
were removed and the ground deconsecrated long ago, even if the guy who
does the ghost walks say some of the bodies, and attached ghosts,
survive. It's just about big enough for a statue commemorating the local
constabulary.

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https://tinyurl.com/yck7cooo

--
Cheryl

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2018-11-09 13:44:00 UTC

We are just moving into the roundabout era - slowly and cautiously. A
couple have been put in newer areas I haven't been to in years, if
ever. A couple are planned for an area I go through (on foot or bus)
almost daily. And one is now in a trial phase in an older area. The
centre of the "roundabout" has buildings, not merely plants! It does
seem to be working better than the previous arrangement. I saw - and
promptly lost the link to - an amusing cartoon showing the "too
confusing" roundabout and the older "simpler" way of navigating the
area by car. It was perfectly simple as long as everyone involved was
thoroughly familiar with the rules ahead of time, but not so simple for
people who didn't routinely drive through The Cross, as it's called.
https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/city-of-st-johns-releases-how-to-video-for-forthcoming-rawlins-cross-roundabout-trial-run-227012/

https://tinyurl.com/ybvsqx9z

That's

a much more complex arrangement than our little traffic circles in the
West End of Vancouver. Your link
shows a series of one-way streets that let you navigate around an
irregular area of several blocks. Ours are
round flower beds in the middle of quiet intersections with little traffic.

The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate (though
apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts priority to the right
doesn't apply so you have to give way to people already on the
roundabout. However, on a few really big and important roundabouts like
the one at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris the traditional rule of
Priorité à droite applies.

--
athel

Peter Moylan

2018-11-09 14:08:06 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate (though
apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts priority to the right
doesn't apply so you have to give way to people already on the
roundabout. However, on a few really big and important roundabouts like
the one at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris the traditional rule of Priorité
à droite applies.

When my wife and I were last in Paris, we spent some time at the Arc de
Triomphe marvelling at the suicidal drivers.

Apparently this is the one place in France where motor insurance
policies do not apply.

I am, for the most part, a courageous driver, and I have entered
roundabouts that would scare many people (Lynne was almost catatonic),
but I don't think I would ever dare enter the roundabout at l'Arc de
Triomphe.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

J. J. Lodder

2018-11-12 19:56:04 UTC

When my wife and I were last in Paris, we spent some time at the Arc de
Triomphe marvelling at the suicidal drivers.
Apparently this is the one place in France where motor insurance
policies do not apply.
I am, for the most part, a courageous driver, and I have entered
roundabouts that would scare many people (Lynne was almost catatonic),
but I don't think I would ever dare enter the roundabout at l'Arc de
Triomphe.

It's quite simple really. Just follow your nose.

Jan

Kerr-Mudd,John

2018-11-09 16:14:33 UTC

On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 13:44:00 GMT, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate (though
apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts priority to the
right doesn't apply so you have to give way to people already on the
roundabout. However, on a few really big and important roundabouts
like the one at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris the traditional rule of
Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2018-11-09 16:52:01 UTC

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 13:44:00 GMT, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate (though
apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts priority to the
right doesn't apply so you have to give way to people already on the
roundabout. However, on a few really big and important roundabouts
like the one at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris the traditional rule of
Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

I think I've only once negotiated that one -- scary, but I survived. I
was following someone -- my daughter or her then boyfriend, I think --
who didn't warn me that we would have to go round it. The nearest
approach to it I've driven around often is the one at the Obelisk in
Mazargues, which is much smaller but can still be scary on the first
attempt. Most drivers seem to know what they're supposed to do.

--
athel

Anders D. Nygaard

2018-11-09 22:00:32 UTC

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 13:44:00 GMT, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate (though
apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts priority to the
right doesn't apply so you have to give way to people already on the
roundabout. However, on a few really big and important roundabouts
like the one at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris the traditional rule of
Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

The one I used to navigate it is simple: Don't bump into anything
in the direction you are moving. Works like a charm - everybody
seems to be following it.

/Anders, Denmark.

CDB

2018-11-12 17:04:45 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate (though
apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts priority to the
right doesn't apply so you have to give way to people already on the
roundabout. However, on a few really big and important roundabouts
like the one at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris the traditional rule of
Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

Shortly after the war, my father drove right under the Arch. He was in
the back of a jeep and someone else was at the wheel, but he was the
ranking culprit and no doubt it was his responsibility. It was hushed up.

--
Drive your cart and your plow over the bones of the dead.

Peter T. Daniels

2018-11-12 18:50:38 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate (though
apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts priority to the
right doesn't apply so you have to give way to people already on the
roundabout. However, on a few really big and important roundabouts
like the one at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris the traditional rule of
Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

There are photographs of victory parades doing exactly that, aren't there?
I was surprised that that's where their Tomb of the Unknowns is; I thought
it was at Les Invalides.

Fifth Avenue used to go through the Washington Square Arch. Now it simply
ends at Washington Square North; you can turn either east or west from it.

J. J. Lodder

2018-11-12 19:56:04 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate (though
apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts priority to the
right doesn't apply so you have to give way to people already on the
roundabout. However, on a few really big and important roundabouts
like the one at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris the traditional rule of
Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

It can even be done by plane
<https://images.ctfassets.net/niwziy2l9cvz/1IoBkDzCuQiWqUCGCWkAYq/cca10f
7c2c8e71e7f918457ad53dce4d/paris-arc-de-triomphe-1500x850.jpg>

Jan

Peter Duncanson [BrE]

2018-11-14 14:47:42 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate (though
apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts priority to the
right doesn't apply so you have to give way to people already on the
roundabout. However, on a few really big and important roundabouts
like the one at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris the traditional rule of
Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for the
Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953.
After the proceedings were over and the procession had returned to
Buckingham Place via the Square and The Mall I went for a short walk. I
headed down The Mall and came to Admiralty Arch. That is a building
across The Mall that has three arches in the middle of it for traffic to
go through. The outer two arches are for vehicles and pedestrians. The
central arch is reserved for ceremonial Royal use. When I got to it on
that day the gates of the central arch were still open, so I walked
through it. I don't think that means I am either guilty of treason, or
have magically become a Royal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_Arch

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

Peter T. Daniels

2018-11-14 15:42:16 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for the
Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953.

Quite an achievement!

Peter Duncanson [BrE]

2018-11-14 17:22:30 UTC

On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:42:16 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for the
Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953.

Quite an achievement!

I didn't notice that until some time after send the message!

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

charles

2018-11-14 18:00:45 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:42:16 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for the
Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953.

Quite an achievement!

I didn't notice that until some time after send the message!

She is Elizabeth I as far as Scotland is concerned.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Peter T. Daniels

2018-11-14 19:43:06 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:42:16 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for the
Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953.

Quite an achievement!

I didn't notice that until some time after send the message!

She is Elizabeth I as far as Scotland is concerned.

PWD isn't as far as Scotland, just as far as Northern Ireland.

Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

Richard Tobin

2018-11-14 19:45:38 UTC

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

No.

-- Richard

Kerr-Mudd,John

2018-11-14 20:03:35 UTC

Post by Richard Tobin

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

No.
-- Richard

Bleedin' royalists.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

musika

2018-11-14 20:29:02 UTC

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

No.

Yes.

Mack A. Damia

2018-11-14 20:41:04 UTC

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

No.

Yes.

Did you know it a few days ago?

Is Prince Charles's birthday a date some people keep with them?

I always knew he was almost two years younger than me, but I did not
know the date.

Happy birthday, Charley!

(Shrimp and fish tempura for lunch today. Presently yumming)

Peter T. Daniels

2018-11-15 02:47:05 UTC

Post by Mack A. Damia

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

No.

Yes.

Did you know it a few days ago?
Is Prince Charles's birthday a date some people keep with them?

It was in today's "This Day in History" from the Britannica.

Post by Mack A. Damia
I always knew he was almost two years younger than me, but I did not
know the date.
Happy birthday, Charley!
(Shrimp and fish tempura for lunch today. Presently yumming)

charles

2018-11-14 20:46:29 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:42:16 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for
the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953.

Quite an achievement!

I didn't notice that until some time after send the message!

She is Elizabeth I as far as Scotland is concerned.

PWD isn't as far as Scotland, just as far as Northern Ireland.

NI isn't quite as far north as Scotland, but a bit further West, Same sort
of distance from London.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

It's in all the papers

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Peter T. Daniels

2018-11-15 02:48:35 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:42:16 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for
the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953.

Quite an achievement!

I didn't notice that until some time after send the message!

She is Elizabeth I as far as Scotland is concerned.

PWD isn't as far as Scotland, just as far as Northern Ireland.

NI isn't quite as far north as Scotland, but a bit further West, Same sort
of distance from London.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

It's in all the papers

Not worth a stamp from the Royal Mail, but I suppose there will be plenty
from places like Nevis and Liberia. Maybe some of the Channel Islands.

Sam Plusnet

2018-11-15 00:01:38 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:42:16 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for the
Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953.

Quite an achievement!

I didn't notice that until some time after send the message!

She is Elizabeth I as far as Scotland is concerned.

PWD isn't as far as Scotland, just as far as Northern Ireland.
Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

And?

Everyone has a birthday each year - except the Queen of course.

--
Sam Plusnet

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-11-15 00:06:11 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:42:16 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for the
Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953.

Quite an achievement!

I didn't notice that until some time after send the message!

She is Elizabeth I as far as Scotland is concerned.

PWD isn't as far as Scotland, just as far as Northern Ireland.
Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

And?
Everyone has a birthday each year - except the Queen of course.

Pretty certain they don't have a 70th birthday every year and that
they're not the first Prince of Wales to have reached that milestone.

Peter T. Daniels

2018-11-15 02:54:26 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:42:16 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for
the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953.

Quite an achievement!

I didn't notice that until some time after send the message!

She is Elizabeth I as far as Scotland is concerned.

PWD isn't as far as Scotland, just as far as Northern Ireland.
Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

And?
Everyone has a birthday each year - except the Queen of course.

Pretty certain they don't have a 70th birthday every year and that
they're not the first Prince of Wales to have reached that milestone.

EVIIR is probably the only other candidate, and he was only 59 when he
lost the title.

RHDraney

2018-11-15 03:37:12 UTC

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Not worth a separate message in this thread, but do y'all realize that
today is Prince Charles's 70th birthday?

And?
Everyone has a birthday each year - except the Queen of course.

And musicians Gioachino Rossini, Jimmy Dorsey, Dinah Shore and Ja Rule....r

CDB

2018-11-14 15:50:32 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate
(though apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts
priority to the right doesn't apply so you have to give way to
people already on the roundabout. However, on a few really big
and important roundabouts like the one at the Arc de Triomphe
in Paris the traditional rule of Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

Shortly after the war, my father drove right under the Arch. He
was in the back of a jeep and someone else was at the wheel, but
he was the ranking culprit and no doubt it was his responsibility.
It was hushed up.

I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for the
Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953. After the proceedings were
over and the procession had returned to Buckingham Place via the
Square and The Mall I went for a short walk. I headed down The Mall
and came to Admiralty Arch. That is a building across The Mall that
has three arches in the middle of it for traffic to go through. The
outer two arches are for vehicles and pedestrians. The central arch
is reserved for ceremonial Royal use. When I got to it on that day
the gates of the central arch were still open, so I walked through
it. I don't think that means I am either guilty of treason, or have
magically become a Royal.

Your name was taken down for consideration if the present dynasty
should fail. I think you would be good at it: a calm, deliberative
monarch like Jeffrey Jones in the film of _Amadeus_, or indeed like Her
actual Majesty.

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_Arch

The English dedication is a little fudged. There is an unexpressed verb
there, like "DEVOVERUNT", for the nominative "CIVES" to be the subject
of, much as in "TO MY CRITICS: [I give] THESE PEARLS".

J. J. Lodder

2018-11-14 19:13:53 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate
(though apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts
priority to the right doesn't apply so you have to give way to
people already on the roundabout. However, on a few really big
and important roundabouts like the one at the Arc de Triomphe
in Paris the traditional rule of Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

Shortly after the war, my father drove right under the Arch. He
was in the back of a jeep and someone else was at the wheel, but
he was the ranking culprit and no doubt it was his responsibility.
It was hushed up.

I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for the
Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953. After the proceedings were
over and the procession had returned to Buckingham Place via the
Square and The Mall I went for a short walk. I headed down The Mall
and came to Admiralty Arch. That is a building across The Mall that
has three arches in the middle of it for traffic to go through. The
outer two arches are for vehicles and pedestrians. The central arch
is reserved for ceremonial Royal use. When I got to it on that day
the gates of the central arch were still open, so I walked through
it. I don't think that means I am either guilty of treason, or have
magically become a Royal.

No doubt he is there already, way way down.
On the occasion of a visit of state it was revealed
that the present king of the Netherlands (Willem-Alexander)
is #789 or something like that in the line of British succession.

Apparently they keep track that far,

Jan

Madhu

2018-11-15 03:13:48 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for
the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953. After the proceedings
were over and the procession had returned to Buckingham Place via
the Square and The Mall I went for a short walk. I headed down The
Mall and came to Admiralty Arch. That is a building across The Mall
that has three arches in the middle of it for traffic to go
through. The outer two arches are for vehicles and pedestrians. The
central arch is reserved for ceremonial Royal use. When I got to it
on that day the gates of the central arch were still open, so I
walked through it. I don't think that means I am either guilty of
treason, or have magically become a Royal.

Nothing to do with brexit

CDB

2018-11-15 06:47:53 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate
(though apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts
priority to the right doesn't apply so you have to give way to
people already on the roundabout. However, on a few really big
and important roundabouts like the one at the Arc de Triomphe
in Paris the traditional rule of Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

Shortly after the war, my father drove right under the Arch. He
was in the back of a jeep and someone else was at the wheel, but
he was the ranking culprit and no doubt it was his responsibility.
It was hushed up.

I was in Trafalgar Square, London, as one of many spectators for the
Coronation of Queen Elizabeth I in 1953. After the proceedings were
over and the procession had returned to Buckingham Place via the
Square and The Mall I went for a short walk. I headed down The Mall
and came to Admiralty Arch. That is a building across The Mall that
has three arches in the middle of it for traffic to go through. The
outer two arches are for vehicles and pedestrians. The central arch
is reserved for ceremonial Royal use. When I got to it on that day
the gates of the central arch were still open, so I walked through
it. I don't think that means I am either guilty of treason, or have
magically become a Royal.

Probably since the Doomsday Clock began ticking.

Jerry Friedman

2018-11-14 15:22:28 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate (though
apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts priority to the
right doesn't apply so you have to give way to people already on the
roundabout. However, on a few really big and important roundabouts
like the one at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris the traditional rule of
Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

Shortly after the war, my father drove right under the Arch. He was in
the back of a jeep and someone else was at the wheel, but he was the
ranking culprit and no doubt it was his responsibility.

How triumphal. But there was a lot of that going on.

It was hushed up.

Until now.

--
Jerry Friedman

CDB

2018-11-14 15:32:37 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
The French have a cunning plan to maximize the accident rate
(though apparently it doesn't). On nearly all roundabouts
priority to the right doesn't apply so you have to give way to
people already on the roundabout. However, on a few really big
and important roundabouts like the one at the Arc de Triomphe
in Paris the traditional rule of Priorité à droite applies.

Are sure there are *any* rules applied at the Arc de Triomphe?

Shortly after the war, my father drove right under the Arch. He
was in the back of a jeep and someone else was at the wheel, but
he was the ranking culprit and no doubt it was his responsibility.

How triumphal. But there was a lot of that going on.

Post by CDB
It was hushed up.

Until now.

He turned out to be mortal. He is now safely dead and scattered --
where, I will never say. I think he would be pleased with the location
if he knew it.

J. J. Lodder

2018-11-12 19:56:04 UTC

[snip]

Post by Cheryl
I think the local council is enamoured of traffic circles as a method
for high traffic areas - their next targets are intersections on either
end of the university campus, one of which has sprouted more and more
traffic signs in an effort to reduce its reputation as "city
intersection with the most traffic accidents". Quiet residential areas
don't seem to have traffic circles.

Not just a few, all of Paris has 'priorite a droit', everywhere.
The rest of France has 'priorite a gauche' on the roudabouts.
(clearly marked btw, vous n'avez pas...)

Jan

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-11-07 12:42:13 UTC

Which raises the question - what is the smallest patch which can be
called a 'park'. Quite small, if we are to believe this nutter from
Portland, Oregon.
http://youtu.be/J-i1U2O8_QI

What nutter? He's a Park and Recreations official. If Portland says it's
a park, it's a park.

<https://www.portlandoregon.gov/parks/finder/index.cfm?action=ViewPark&PropertyID=265>

Kerr-Mudd,John

2018-11-07 10:07:29 UTC

On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 22:38:18 GMT, Peter Moylan

What does this statement mean? My son works in Darling Harbor and
lives less than 4kms away in Rozelle,less than a 5min walk and he
can sit in a park overlooking the harbor. does it mean less than
a 5 minute walk to Rozelle or 5 minute walk to a park?

It's a run-on sentence and sort of colloquial. I think it means
this: " My son works in Darling Harbor and lives less than 4 km
away in Rozelle. In less than a 5 minute walk he can sit in a park
overlooking the harbor." It isn't clear whether the park is 5
minutes from his home or from his work.

Actually, since the harbor is already mentioned, it's probably five
minutes from work in Darling Harbor to the park overlooking said
harbor.

As I read the original, it's from his home. Rozelle is a harbourside
suburb of Sydney.
Further information: Darling Harbour is so heavily commercialised that
there's no park there. (As far as I can recall.) It's all jetty,
occupied by restaurants and various other businesses.

There are several patches of ground called parks near there; one of them
is indeed labelled Waterfront Park. Not very big.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Peter T. Daniels

2018-11-07 14:29:54 UTC

What does this statement mean? My son works in Darling Harbor and
lives less than 4kms away in Rozelle,less than a 5min walk and he
can sit in a park overlooking the harbor. does it mean less than
a 5 minute walk to Rozelle or 5 minute walk to a park?

It's a run-on sentence and sort of colloquial. I think it means
this: " My son works in Darling Harbor and lives less than 4 km
away in Rozelle. In less than a 5 minute walk he can sit in a park
overlooking the harbor." It isn't clear whether the park is 5
minutes from his home or from his work.

Actually, since the harbor is already mentioned, it's probably five
minutes from work in Darling Harbor to the park overlooking said
harbor.

As I read the original, it's from his home. Rozelle is a harbourside
suburb of Sydney.
Further information: Darling Harbour is so heavily commercialised that
there's no park there. (As far as I can recall.) It's all jetty,
occupied by restaurants and various other businesses.

That could be considered an "amusement park" like Navy Pier in Chicago.

J. J. Lodder

2018-11-07 10:56:33 UTC

Not even harbour workers can walk 4 km in 5 minutes, so...

Jan

Peter Moylan

2018-11-08 06:25:24 UTC