Origin and meaning of the phrase "ashes in your mouth"

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Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/turn-to-ashes-in-one's-mouth

[Peter Moylan]

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Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/turn-to-ashes-in-one's-mouth

And it took Nilesh 13 years to get an answer! That puts a whole new
light on "Thanks in advance".

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Post by Peter Moylan

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Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/turn-to-ashes-in-one's-mouth

And it took Nilesh 13 years to get an answer! That puts a whole new
light on "Thanks in advance".

The given URL takes care of explaining it, with some examples, but for the
origins a backlink there is better, pointing to
<URL:http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ash#ash>
has a reference to "John de Mandeville's Travels, a 14th-century work [...]"
and a legendary froot.

/dps "once had everything taste like ashes"

[Richard Tobin]

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Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/turn-to-ashes-in-one's-mouth

Strangely, "turn to ashes" is also used of food in a positive sense
in the Bible. That's how God likes his meat - Psalm 20:3.

-- Richard

[Derek Turner]

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance N

...suddenly into Serpents, according to his doom given in Paradise; then,
deluded with a shew of the Forbidden Tree springing up before them, they,
greedily reaching to take of the Fruit, chew dust and bitter ashes.
John Milton. (1608–1674).

[kryqtysh245]

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

Wow! Not only a resurrection of an ancient thread, but a totally wrong
answer.

I won't try to give my answer, because the person who asked the question
is long gone.

[RH Draney]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

Wow! Not only a resurrection of an ancient thread, but a totally wrong
answer.
I won't try to give my answer, because the person who asked the question
is long gone.

Interestingly, Rachel Maddow last night opened her show with a recap of
the Cuban Missile Crisis...the former was represented by a short clip of
President Kennedy assuring the nation that while we wouldn't start a
nuclear war, we wouldn't hold back if someone else attacked first...the
clip concluded with JFK saying "in nuclear war, the fruits of victory
are ashes in the mouth"....

The retrieval of this archival footage may explain why the 2002 thread
got resurrected yesterday....r

[Lewis]

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a
joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too
hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever
something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

This is ridiculous.

[Charles Bishop]

Post by Lewis

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a
joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too
hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever
something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

This is ridiculous.

Of course it is, and from 2002 when we knew better. It is, of course,
from reference to The Plague, where they sang "Ashes, ashes, we all fall
down" referring to the ashes they got in their mouths as they fell.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 05:45:49 -0700, Charles Bishop

Post by Charles Bishop

Post by Lewis

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a
joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too
hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever
something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

This is ridiculous.

Of course it is, and from 2002 when we knew better. It is, of course,
from reference to The Plague, where they sang "Ashes, ashes, we all fall
down" referring to the ashes they got in their mouths as they fell.

<smile>
The version I know is:
Ring a ring o'roses, a pocketful of posies, atishoo, atishoo, all fall
down.

The rhyme, its variants and possible origins are discussed here:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/ring-a-ring-of-roses.html

[Dingbat]

Post by Charles Bishop

Post by Lewis

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a
joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too
hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever
something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

This is ridiculous.

Of course it is, and from 2002 when we knew better. It is, of course,
from reference to The Plague, where they sang "Ashes, ashes, we all fall
down" referring to the ashes they got in their mouths as they fell.
--

I'm reminded of these other Ashes, in Test cricket.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ashes

[Robert Bannister]

Post by Charles Bishop

Post by Lewis

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a
joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too
hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever
something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

This is ridiculous.

Of course it is, and from 2002 when we knew better. It is, of course,
from reference to The Plague, where they sang "Ashes, ashes, we all fall
down" referring to the ashes they got in their mouths as they fell.

It is, of course, entirely natural to sing when dying of the plague.

[Janet]

In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@clubtelco.com
says...

Post by Robert Bannister

Post by Charles Bishop

Post by Lewis

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a
joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too
hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever
something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

This is ridiculous.

Of course it is, and from 2002 when we knew better. It is, of course,
from reference to The Plague, where they sang "Ashes, ashes, we all fall
down" referring to the ashes they got in their mouths as they fell.

It is, of course, entirely natural to sing when dying of the plague.

Before film and TV showed us how, nobody knew the right way to die of
anything.

Janet.

[Robert Bannister]

Post by Janet
says...

Post by Robert Bannister

Post by Charles Bishop

Post by Lewis

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a
joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too
hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever
something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

This is ridiculous.

Of course it is, and from 2002 when we knew better. It is, of course,
from reference to The Plague, where they sang "Ashes, ashes, we all fall
down" referring to the ashes they got in their mouths as they fell.

It is, of course, entirely natural to sing when dying of the plague.

Before film and TV showed us how, nobody knew the right way to die of
anything.

Good point. Perhaps I should start work on my deathbed speech (not to
exceed 3000 words).

[Stefan Ram]

Post by Robert Bannister
Good point. Perhaps I should start work on my deathbed speech (not to
exceed 3000 words).

Before I started reading your post, conincidentally, I was thinking
about that "I'm outie." would be fine for that occasion.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Robert Bannister
Good point. Perhaps I should start work on my deathbed speech (not to
exceed 3000 words).

I do wonder how Marcel Marceau's version went.

[CDB]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Robert Bannister
Good point. Perhaps I should start work on my deathbed speech (not
to exceed 3000 words).

I do wonder how Marcel Marceau's version went.

Perhaps he pointed something towards heaven.

[Cheryl]

Post by Janet
says...

Post by Robert Bannister

Post by Charles Bishop

Post by Lewis

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a
joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too
hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever
something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

This is ridiculous.

Of course it is, and from 2002 when we knew better. It is, of course,
from reference to The Plague, where they sang "Ashes, ashes, we all fall
down" referring to the ashes they got in their mouths as they fell.

It is, of course, entirely natural to sing when dying of the plague.

Before film and TV showed us how, nobody knew the right way to die of
anything.

I'm sure you're mistaken. Opera and plays showed us how to do it, but
alas, too few people are really up to singing an aria or making a
dramatic speech while dying.

[Stefan Ram]

Post by Cheryl
I'm sure you're mistaken. Opera and plays showed us how to do it, but
alas, too few people are really up to singing an aria or making a
dramatic speech while dying.

»It's stopped.«

Joseph Henry Green, upon checking his own pulse.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Last_words

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by Lewis

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a
joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too
hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever
something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

This is ridiculous.

Intentionally, I'd guess.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Lewis

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a
joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too
hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever
something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

This is ridiculous.

Intentionally, I'd guess.

That's very charitable of you.

[Robert Bannister]

Post by kryqtysh245

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

It came about from the common 60s day experience of passing around a joint and, eventually, getting ash in your mouth when you suck too hard on burnt out bud. "Turning to ashes in the mouth" means whenever something good was expected, but something bad turned out.

Was that a joke? I'm sure the expression is a lot older than smoking by
English-speakers.

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the reward for the first Olympics games was a gold doughnut covered in Honey and walnuts so the taste of victory was sweet

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Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

thanks

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by l***@zis.ch

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance
N

thanks

As Peter Moylan wrote on January 14, 2015,

Post by l***@zis.ch

Your sweet taste of victory will taste like ashes in your mouth.
Cld someone give me the origin of this phrase or maybe explain it to me better.
Thanks in Advance

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/turn-to-ashes-in-one's-mouth

And it took Nilesh 13 years to get an answer! That puts a whole new
light on "Thanks in advance".

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