Discussion:
what does it mean "to be the rain on the cake"?
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uri
2008-12-15 15:37:22 UTC
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"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
tony cooper
2008-12-15 15:44:23 UTC
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Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
It means that there was no parade scheduled that day.

Seriously, the phrase I've always heard is "rain on your parade". It
means that the person saying it is going to say or do something that
will spoil the other person's celebration.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Mike M
2008-12-15 15:47:37 UTC
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Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
It means that there was no parade scheduled that day.
Seriously, the phrase I've always heard is "rain on your parade".  It
means that the person saying it is going to say or do something that
will spoil the other person's celebration.  
I assume it's a reference to the song "Macarthur Park" - "Someone's
left the cake out in the rain".

Mike M
the Omrud
2008-12-15 16:06:13 UTC
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Post by tony cooper
Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
It means that there was no parade scheduled that day.
Seriously, the phrase I've always heard is "rain on your parade". It
means that the person saying it is going to say or do something that
will spoil the other person's celebration.
I assume it's a reference to the song "Macarthur Park" - "Someone's
left the cake out in the rain".
And there's very little point in asking us what that lyric means, as
nobody seems to have any idea.

All the sweet, green icing running down.
--
David
Raymond O'Hara
2008-12-15 16:42:34 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by Mike M
Post by tony cooper
Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
It means that there was no parade scheduled that day.
Seriously, the phrase I've always heard is "rain on your parade". It
means that the person saying it is going to say or do something that
will spoil the other person's celebration.
I assume it's a reference to the song "Macarthur Park" - "Someone's
left the cake out in the rain".
And there's very little point in asking us what that lyric means, as
nobody seems to have any idea.
All the sweet, green icing running down.
--
David
It seems obvious enough ,"someone left the cake out in the rain, I don't
think I ca take it as it took so long to bake it and I'll never have that
recipe again, OH NO , OH NO OOOHO NOOOOOO"
a cheesy metaphor but easily understood.
Derek Turner
2008-12-15 16:37:21 UTC
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Post by tony cooper
Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
It means that there was no parade scheduled that day.
Seriously, the phrase I've always heard is "rain on your parade". It
means that the person saying it is going to say or do something that
will spoil the other person's celebration.
Perhaps it some Taiwanese variation of the UK 'sorry to piss on your
chips?'[1]

[1] Freedom fries, for our leftpondian friends.
orith
2008-12-16 11:47:22 UTC
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Mac Arthur Park probably, but also maybe the opposite "the cherry on the
cake" meaning the highlight of the day, the trip, the occasion.
So "rain on the cake" = wet towel.

orith
Pat Durkin
2008-12-16 15:21:15 UTC
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Post by orith
Mac Arthur Park probably, but also maybe the opposite "the cherry on
the cake" meaning the highlight of the day, the trip, the occasion.
So "rain on the cake" = wet towel.
Or "wet blanket". Also "downer", and that, I think, preceded the
pill-poppers.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2008-12-15 15:59:49 UTC
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Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
If you thought about it a little you'd be able to work it out for yourself.

I'd never seen the expression before I read it in your question, but I
thought the meaning was obvious.
--
athel
Derek Turner
2008-12-15 16:35:03 UTC
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Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
What part of 'context' do you not understand? In the absence of any it
means nothing.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
2008-12-15 16:59:07 UTC
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Post by Derek Turner
Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
What part of 'context' do you not understand? In the absence of any it
means nothing.
There possibly isn't much context. The only instance found by Google is in a
GameSpot Forum posting at:
http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26709971

biggest_loser
Dec 15, 2008 6:17 am GMT
"How good is my life?"
I want everyone to try it now! There's too much gloom around here!
Raise your hand(s) and say it with me!!

cousin_eddy
Dec 15, 2008 6:19 am GMT
But I don't think my life is too great sorry to be the rain on the cake
but...it's true .
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Raymond O'Hara
2008-12-15 16:43:32 UTC
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Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
It means someone is mixing their metaphors.
Cece
2008-12-15 18:18:35 UTC
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Post by Raymond O'Hara
Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
It means someone is mixing their metaphors.
My thought exactly! Now, did the author mean "rain on my parade" (uh-
oh) or "icing on the cake" (oh, goody!)?
Mike Lyle
2008-12-15 19:47:06 UTC
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Post by Cece
Post by Raymond O'Hara
Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
It means someone is mixing their metaphors.
My thought exactly! Now, did the author mean "rain on my parade" (uh-
oh) or "icing on the cake" (oh, goody!)?
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but a perfectly credible story would be:
Outdoor party, birthday cake, unexpected precipitation, oh dear!

I'll get back to you when I've knocked out a story-board for the icing
on the parade. You want it good, or you want it Thursday?
--
Mike.
R H Draney
2008-12-15 21:49:03 UTC
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Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
Outdoor party, birthday cake, unexpected precipitation, oh dear!
The song refers to MacArthur Park, a pastoral portion of the city of Los Angeles
familiar to many local denizens who have no more knowledge of the General it's
named for than they have of David Wark Griffith, for whom [1] a much larger park
is named....r

[1] made you Wiki!
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"You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!"
Fran Kemmish
2008-12-15 21:59:46 UTC
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Post by R H Draney
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
Outdoor party, birthday cake, unexpected precipitation, oh dear!
The song refers to MacArthur Park, a pastoral portion of the city of Los Angeles
familiar to many local denizens who have no more knowledge of the General it's
named for than they have of David Wark Griffith, for whom [1] a much larger park
is named....r
[1] made you Wiki!
Actually, I didn't have to look that up, because I just finished a novel
in which a murder was committed in Griffith Park ("Billy Straight" by
Jonathan Kellerman.

Fran
Roland Hutchinson
2008-12-16 04:22:39 UTC
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Post by Fran Kemmish
Post by R H Draney
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
Outdoor party, birthday cake, unexpected precipitation, oh dear!
The song refers to MacArthur Park, a pastoral portion of the city of Los
Angeles familiar to many local denizens who have no more knowledge of the
General it's named for than they have of David Wark Griffith, for whom
[1] a much larger park is named....r
[1] made you Wiki!
Actually, I didn't have to look that up, because I just finished a novel
in which a murder was committed in Griffith Park ("Billy Straight" by
Jonathan Kellerman.
And I didn't have to look anything up because I passed my childhood within
spitting distance of the two parks. One had a duck pond and the other a
bird sanctuary.

"Spitting distance" in Lala Land of course means "half an hour or less by
car".
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Fran Kemmish
2008-12-16 12:05:09 UTC
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Post by Roland Hutchinson
Post by Fran Kemmish
Post by R H Draney
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
Outdoor party, birthday cake, unexpected precipitation, oh dear!
The song refers to MacArthur Park, a pastoral portion of the city of Los
Angeles familiar to many local denizens who have no more knowledge of the
General it's named for than they have of David Wark Griffith, for whom
[1] a much larger park is named....r
[1] made you Wiki!
Actually, I didn't have to look that up, because I just finished a novel
in which a murder was committed in Griffith Park ("Billy Straight" by
Jonathan Kellerman.
And I didn't have to look anything up because I passed my childhood within
spitting distance of the two parks. One had a duck pond and the other a
bird sanctuary.
"Spitting distance" in Lala Land of course means "half an hour or less by
car".
Angelenos can spit a long way?

Fran
Roland Hutchinson
2008-12-16 17:43:37 UTC
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Post by Fran Kemmish
Post by Roland Hutchinson
"Spitting distance" in Lala Land of course means "half an hour or less by
car".
Angelenos can spit a long way?
Only a dozen miles or so. The traffic gets in the way.
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Jeffrey Turner
2008-12-16 15:29:04 UTC
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Post by R H Draney
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
Outdoor party, birthday cake, unexpected precipitation, oh dear!
The song refers to MacArthur Park, a pastoral portion of the city of Los Angeles
familiar to many local denizens who have no more knowledge of the General it's
named for than they have of David Wark Griffith, for whom [1] a much larger park
is named....r
[1] made you Wiki!
Wikiing D.W. Griffith? Absurd.

--Jeff
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poverty is a trifling evil compared
with the inequality of classes.
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Evan Kirshenbaum
2008-12-16 15:42:47 UTC
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Post by R H Draney
The song refers to MacArthur Park, a pastoral portion of the city of
Los Angeles familiar to many local denizens who have no more
knowledge of the General it's named for than they have of David Wark
Griffith, for whom [1] a much larger park is named....r
[1] made you Wiki!
Guilty. I was pretty sure it couldn't have been him, but I checked to
make certain. He was only 21 when the park opened. (Indeed, parts of
his most famous movie were filmed there.)

So, are there any other landmarks named after people for which it's
not clear whether they were named after the person's first or last
name?
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(650)857-7572 |gullibility."

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Nick
2008-12-17 07:49:18 UTC
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Post by Evan Kirshenbaum
So, are there any other landmarks named after people for which it's
not clear whether they were named after the person's first or last
name?
There might be one in Walsall I suppose. There was certainly a birthplace
museum when I was there (I went - with two friends, obviously - on a canal
boat).
--
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Experimental version; http://canalplan.eu
Donna Richoux
2008-12-16 22:20:51 UTC
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Post by R H Draney
The song refers to MacArthur Park, a pastoral portion of the city of Los
Angeles familiar to many local denizens who have no more knowledge of the
General it's named for than they have of David Wark Griffith, for whom [1]
a much larger park is named....r
[1] made you Wiki!
Do you mean you knew all along that Wiki says no such thing? The city's
Department of Recreation and Parks website says:

Originally a part of the Spanish land grant, Rancho
Los Feliz, the park was named for its former owner,
Colonel Griffith J. Griffith. Born in Glamorganshire,
South Wales, Griffith emigrated to the United States
in 1865, eventually, making a personal fortune in
California gold mine speculation. In 1882, Griffith
settled in Los Angeles, and purchased a 4,071 acre
portion of the Rancho Los Feliz, which stretched
northward from the northern boundaries of the Pueblo
de Los Angeles. On December 16, 1896, the
civic-minded Griffith bequeathed 3,015 acres of his
Rancho Los Feliz estate as a Christmas gift to the
people of Los Angeles to be used as parkland. The
enormous gift, equal to five square miles, was to be
given to the city unconditionally - or almost so.
" It must be made a place of recreation and
rest for the masses, a resort for the rank and file,
for the plain people," Griffith said on that occasion.
" I consider it my obligation to make Los Angeles a
happier, cleaner, and finer city. I wish to pay my
debt of duty in this way to the community in which I
have prospered."
Since Griffith's original
gift, further donations of land, along with City
purchases and the reversion of private land to public
domain have expanded the Park to its present size.
Col. Griffith died July 7, 1919 ...

Wiki indicates that D.W. Griffith was not the son of Griffith J.
Griffith, either.

While I was at the Parks site, I looked up MacArthur:

MacArthur Park, a large urban public park constructed
and enhanced over a period of time beginning in the
late 1880s ... was originally named Westlake Park ...
The park was renamed in 1942, in honor of General
Douglas MacArthur, commander of U.S. armed forces in
the Pacific during World War I ...

That was the year he said "I shall return."

Somewhere else in California there is/was a Fort MacArthur that was
named for "Lt. Gen. Arthur MacArthur, a Civil War hero, military
visionary, and father of Gen. Douglas MacArthur ...."
--
Best -- Donna Richoux
R H Draney
2008-12-16 23:03:18 UTC
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Post by Donna Richoux
Post by R H Draney
The song refers to MacArthur Park, a pastoral portion of the city of Los
Angeles familiar to many local denizens who have no more knowledge of the
General it's named for than they have of David Wark Griffith, for whom [1]
a much larger park is named....r
[1] made you Wiki!
Do you mean you knew all along that Wiki says no such thing? The city's
Originally a part of the Spanish land grant, Rancho
Los Feliz, the park was named for its former owner,
Colonel Griffith J. Griffith.
I didn't know for certain when I wrote it that Wiki would bear me out, but I
knew it wasn't named for DW because I made that mistake myself on
alt.movies.silent some years before....r
--
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Athel Cornish-Bowden
2008-12-16 10:18:08 UTC
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On 2008-12-15 20:47:06 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
Post by Mike Lyle
Outdoor party, birthday cake, unexpected precipitation, oh dear!
That's how I interpreted it. I was quite surprised that others thought
the metaphors mixed.
--
athel
Mike M
2008-12-16 11:06:06 UTC
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Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".

Mike M
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2008-12-16 12:08:22 UTC
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Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
--
athel
Wood Avens
2008-12-16 12:26:24 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:08:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
And counting.
--
Katy Jennison

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Fran Kemmish
2008-12-16 12:37:53 UTC
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Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:08:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
And counting.
Where were you in 1968 that you didn't hear it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacArthur_Park_(song)



Fran
the Omrud
2008-12-16 18:34:25 UTC
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Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:08:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
And counting.
No. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Are you sure you aren't just
getting forgetful?
--
David
Don Aitken
2008-12-16 21:42:25 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:34:25 GMT, the Omrud
Post by the Omrud
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:08:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
And counting.
No. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Are you sure you aren't just
getting forgetful?
I seem to have heard it quite often, but that impression probably
results from the fact that it is a song I intensely dislike, so I tend
to notice it, as well as being less likely to forget it. I'm sure I
have forgotten lots of other songs of that vintage which, although
equally uninspiring, are not quite so irritating.
--
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the Omrud
2008-12-16 22:46:58 UTC
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Post by Don Aitken
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:34:25 GMT, the Omrud
Post by the Omrud
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:08:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
And counting.
No. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Are you sure you aren't just
getting forgetful?
I seem to have heard it quite often, but that impression probably
results from the fact that it is a song I intensely dislike, so I tend
to notice it, as well as being less likely to forget it. I'm sure I
have forgotten lots of other songs of that vintage which, although
equally uninspiring, are not quite so irritating.
I don't dislike it and I actually own a copy, on a Donna Summer album
which I bought (in New York, as it happens, in 1976, and carried back on
a plane) purely for the duet No More Tears (Enough Is Enough) with
Barbra Streisand. I always bought albums rather than singles on the
grounds that they were better value and I often discovered new music
that way. However, it's vinyl so I haven't played it for many years.
--
David
Mike M
2008-12-17 14:26:38 UTC
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Post by Don Aitken
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:34:25 GMT, the Omrud
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:08:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
And counting.
No.  I'm shocked.  Shocked, I tell you.  Are you sure you aren't just
getting forgetful?
I seem to have heard it quite often, but that impression probably
results from the fact that it is a song I intensely dislike, so I tend
to notice it, as well as being less likely to forget it. I'm sure I
have forgotten lots of other songs of that vintage which, although
equally uninspiring, are not quite so irritating.
I don't dislike it and I actually own a copy, on a Donna Summer album
which I bought (in New York, as it happens, in 1976, and carried back on
a plane) purely for the duet No More Tears (Enough Is Enough) with
Barbra Streisand.  I always bought albums rather than singles on the
grounds that they were better value and I often discovered new music
that way.  However, it's vinyl so I haven't played it for many years.
I could have written that last paragraph word for word and it would be
equally true (apart from the New York bit).

Are you sure you're not me?

Mike M
the Omrud
2008-12-17 16:09:45 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
I don't dislike it and I actually own a copy, on a Donna Summer album
which I bought (in New York, as it happens, in 1976, and carried back on
a plane) purely for the duet No More Tears (Enough Is Enough) with
Barbra Streisand. I always bought albums rather than singles on the
grounds that they were better value and I often discovered new music
that way. However, it's vinyl so I haven't played it for many years.
I could have written that last paragraph word for word and it would be
equally true (apart from the New York bit).
Are you sure you're not me?
Not entirely. Although I vaguely remember that I am also Laura, as
evidenced by the "Sacla Tomato and Olive Pasta Sauce" Postulate.
Perhaps we're all one big person.
--
David
Let's be Frank
LFS
2008-12-17 17:42:19 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by Mike M
Post by the Omrud
I don't dislike it and I actually own a copy, on a Donna Summer album
which I bought (in New York, as it happens, in 1976, and carried back on
a plane) purely for the duet No More Tears (Enough Is Enough) with
Barbra Streisand. I always bought albums rather than singles on the
grounds that they were better value and I often discovered new music
that way. However, it's vinyl so I haven't played it for many years.
I could have written that last paragraph word for word and it would be
equally true (apart from the New York bit).
Are you sure you're not me?
Not entirely. Although I vaguely remember that I am also Laura, as
evidenced by the "Sacla Tomato and Olive Pasta Sauce" Postulate. Perhaps
we're all one big person.
--
David
Let's be Frank

Frank was my maiden name, actually.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
the Omrud
2008-12-17 18:12:57 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by Mike M
Post by the Omrud
I don't dislike it and I actually own a copy, on a Donna Summer album
which I bought (in New York, as it happens, in 1976, and carried back on
a plane) purely for the duet No More Tears (Enough Is Enough) with
Barbra Streisand. I always bought albums rather than singles on the
grounds that they were better value and I often discovered new music
that way. However, it's vinyl so I haven't played it for many years.
I could have written that last paragraph word for word and it would be
equally true (apart from the New York bit).
Are you sure you're not me?
Not entirely. Although I vaguely remember that I am also Laura, as
evidenced by the "Sacla Tomato and Olive Pasta Sauce" Postulate.
Perhaps we're all one big person.
David
Let's be Frank
Frank was my maiden name, actually.
That, I didn't know. It was a reference to an SF short story in which
everybody ends up with the same consciousness.
--
David
Roland Hutchinson
2008-12-17 18:19:00 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by LFS
Post by the Omrud
Post by Mike M
Post by the Omrud
I don't dislike it and I actually own a copy, on a Donna Summer album
which I bought (in New York, as it happens, in 1976, and carried back on
a plane) purely for the duet No More Tears (Enough Is Enough) with
Barbra Streisand. I always bought albums rather than singles on the
grounds that they were better value and I often discovered new music
that way. However, it's vinyl so I haven't played it for many years.
I could have written that last paragraph word for word and it would be
equally true (apart from the New York bit).
Are you sure you're not me?
Not entirely. Although I vaguely remember that I am also Laura, as
evidenced by the "Sacla Tomato and Olive Pasta Sauce" Postulate.
Perhaps we're all one big person.
David
Let's be Frank
Frank was my maiden name, actually.
That, I didn't know. It was a reference to an SF short story in which
everybody ends up with the same consciousness.
Well, if we're taking a poll, I'm one big person. (About 20 stn, though
trying to loose weight.)
--
Roland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food.

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the Omrud
2008-12-17 18:23:41 UTC
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Post by Roland Hutchinson
Post by the Omrud
Post by LFS
Post by the Omrud
Post by Mike M
Post by the Omrud
I don't dislike it and I actually own a copy, on a Donna Summer album
which I bought (in New York, as it happens, in 1976, and carried back on
a plane) purely for the duet No More Tears (Enough Is Enough) with
Barbra Streisand. I always bought albums rather than singles on the
grounds that they were better value and I often discovered new music
that way. However, it's vinyl so I haven't played it for many years.
I could have written that last paragraph word for word and it would be
equally true (apart from the New York bit).
Are you sure you're not me?
Not entirely. Although I vaguely remember that I am also Laura, as
evidenced by the "Sacla Tomato and Olive Pasta Sauce" Postulate.
Perhaps we're all one big person.
David
Let's be Frank
Frank was my maiden name, actually.
That, I didn't know. It was a reference to an SF short story in which
everybody ends up with the same consciousness.
Well, if we're taking a poll, I'm one big person. (About 20 stn, though
trying to loose weight.)
Oh, look, I can't let that go by, old bean, no matter what you weigh.

We don't usually use "stn" for stones - it's "st".
--
David
Pat Durkin
2008-12-17 18:52:21 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by Roland Hutchinson
Post by the Omrud
Post by LFS
Post by the Omrud
Post by Mike M
Post by the Omrud
I don't dislike it and I actually own a copy, on a Donna Summer
album which I bought (in New York, as it happens, in 1976, and
carried back on
a plane) purely for the duet No More Tears (Enough Is Enough)
with Barbra Streisand. I always bought albums rather than
singles on the grounds that they were better value and I often
discovered new music that way. However, it's vinyl so I
haven't played it for many years.
I could have written that last paragraph word for word and it
would be equally true (apart from the New York bit).
Are you sure you're not me?
Not entirely. Although I vaguely remember that I am also Laura,
as evidenced by the "Sacla Tomato and Olive Pasta Sauce"
Postulate. Perhaps we're all one big person.
David
Let's be Frank
Frank was my maiden name, actually.
That, I didn't know. It was a reference to an SF short story in
which everybody ends up with the same consciousness.
Well, if we're taking a poll, I'm one big person. (About 20 stn,
though trying to loose weight.)
Oh, look, I can't let that go by, old bean, no matter what you weigh.
We don't usually use "stn" for stones - it's "st".
Well, I think it's OK for him, since he's trying to loose.
Roland Hutchinson
2008-12-17 19:13:01 UTC
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Post by Pat Durkin
Post by the Omrud
Post by Roland Hutchinson
Post by the Omrud
Post by LFS
Post by the Omrud
Post by Mike M
Post by the Omrud
I don't dislike it and I actually own a copy, on a Donna Summer
album which I bought (in New York, as it happens, in 1976, and
carried back on
a plane) purely for the duet No More Tears (Enough Is Enough)
with Barbra Streisand. I always bought albums rather than
singles on the grounds that they were better value and I often
discovered new music that way. However, it's vinyl so I
haven't played it for many years.
I could have written that last paragraph word for word and it
would be equally true (apart from the New York bit).
Are you sure you're not me?
Not entirely. Although I vaguely remember that I am also Laura,
as evidenced by the "Sacla Tomato and Olive Pasta Sauce"
Postulate. Perhaps we're all one big person.
David
Let's be Frank
Frank was my maiden name, actually.
That, I didn't know. It was a reference to an SF short story in
which everybody ends up with the same consciousness.
Well, if we're taking a poll, I'm one big person. (About 20 stn,
though trying to loose weight.)
Oh, look, I can't let that go by, old bean, no matter what you weigh.
We don't usually use "stn" for stones - it's "st".
Well, I think it's OK for him, since he's trying to loose.
It was noose to me.
--
Roland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food.

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Paul Wolff
2008-12-17 19:37:04 UTC
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Post by Roland Hutchinson
Well, if we're taking a poll, I'm one big person. (About 20 stn, though
trying to loose weight.)
Easy solution with your viola da gamba: play fast and loose.
--
Paul
Roland Hutchinson
2008-12-17 22:22:15 UTC
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Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Roland Hutchinson
Well, if we're taking a poll, I'm one big person. (About 20 stn, though
trying to loose weight.)
Easy solution with your viola da gamba: play fast and loose.
In the rain, the strings get plenty loose.
--
Roland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food.

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William
2008-12-17 21:43:00 UTC
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I'm one big person.  (About 20 stn, though
trying to loose weight).
Roland Hutchinson  Will play viola da gamba for food.
Been overdoing the viol da gamba?

--
WH
William
2008-12-17 21:40:12 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by Mike M
Are you sure you're not me?
Perhaps we're all one big person.
Ahh, John Donne, again.
http://polyticks.com/home/Visions/NoManIsl.htm

--
WH
R H Draney
2008-12-18 05:28:21 UTC
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Post by William
Post by the Omrud
Post by Mike M
Are you sure you're not me?
Perhaps we're all one big person.
Ahh, John Donne, again.
http://polyticks.com/home/Visions/NoManIsl.htm
Donne was wrong:

54°09′N 4°29′W

....r
--
"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!"
"You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!"
Pat Durkin
2008-12-18 16:47:26 UTC
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Post by R H Draney
Post by William
Post by the Omrud
Post by Mike M
Are you sure you're not me?
Perhaps we're all one big person.
Ahh, John Donne, again.
http://polyticks.com/home/Visions/NoManIsl.htm
54°09′N 4°29′W
Great!
Mike M
2008-12-18 10:56:41 UTC
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Post by Mike M
Post by the Omrud
I don't dislike it and I actually own a copy, on a Donna Summer album
which I bought (in New York, as it happens, in 1976, and carried back on
a plane) purely for the duet No More Tears (Enough Is Enough) with
Barbra Streisand.  I always bought albums rather than singles on the
grounds that they were better value and I often discovered new music
that way.  However, it's vinyl so I haven't played it for many years.
I could have written that last paragraph word for word and it would be
equally true (apart from the New York bit).
Are you sure you're not me?
Not entirely.  Although I vaguely remember that I am also Laura, as
evidenced by the "Sacla Tomato and Olive Pasta Sauce" Postulate.
Perhaps we're all one big person.
Hmmm. I don't know precisely what this postulate is, but (unless it's
"I have no idea what Sacla means and I dislike olives"), I don't think
it applies to me.

Which means we have a paradox, because I am you, and you are Laura,
but I am (probably) not Laura.

Gosh, I hope this doesn't prove that I don't exist.

Mike M
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2008-12-18 13:26:53 UTC
Permalink
On 2008-12-18 11:56:41 +0100, Mike M <***@googlemail.com> said:
[ ... ]

Not entirely.  Although I vaguely remember that I am also Laura, as
Post by Mike M
Post by the Omrud
evidenced by the "Sacla Tomato and Olive Pasta Sauce" Postulate.
Perhaps we're all one big person.
Hmmm. I don't know precisely what this postulate is, but (unless it's
"I have no idea what Sacla means and I dislike olives"), I don't think
it applies to me.
Sacia is an up-market brand of sauces in jars (made in Italy, I think).
If you live in the south of France not liking olives isn't really an
option.

Having said that (and having just emerged from our Christmas lunch, to
which any typos can be attributed) I was quite surprised an hour or so
ago when a young Frenchwoman stood in front of what were obviously bits
of octopus and said "what's that?", and when I replied "poulpe" she
turned away in horror.
--
athel
Amethyst Deceiver
2008-12-18 15:29:24 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@yahoo.co.uk
says...
[ ... ]
Not entirely.  Although I vaguely remember that I am also Laura, as
Post by Mike M
Post by the Omrud
evidenced by the "Sacla Tomato and Olive Pasta Sauce" Postulate.
Perhaps we're all one big person.
Hmmm. I don't know precisely what this postulate is, but (unless it's
"I have no idea what Sacla means and I dislike olives"), I don't think
it applies to me.
Sacia is an up-market brand of sauces in jars (made in Italy, I think).
If you live in the south of France not liking olives isn't really an
option.
Having said that (and having just emerged from our Christmas lunch, to
which any typos can be attributed)
Ah, you too, huh? I shared a table with a Jewish woman and a Muslim. And
three Chinese people. My share of the wine seems to have been larger
than usual...
--
Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary
Default User
2008-12-18 18:13:32 UTC
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Post by Amethyst Deceiver
says...
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Having said that (and having just emerged from our Christmas lunch,
to which any typos can be attributed)
Ah, you too, huh? I shared a table with a Jewish woman and a Muslim.
And three Chinese people. My share of the wine seems to have been
larger than usual...
We had ours on Tuesday, which seemed very early to me. We had the
leftovers yesterday. It did allow us to have Thursday Chinese delivery
day as usual.




Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)
Mike Lyle
2008-12-18 20:07:11 UTC
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Post by Amethyst Deceiver
says...
[...]
Post by Amethyst Deceiver
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Having said that (and having just emerged from our Christmas lunch,
to which any typos can be attributed)
Ah, you too, huh? I shared a table with a Jewish woman and a Muslim.
And three Chinese people. My share of the wine seems to have been
larger than usual...
Gosh! I bet they were really offended to have been invited to a
Christmas lunch.
--
Mike.
Amethyst Deceiver
2008-12-19 09:59:47 UTC
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Post by Mike Lyle
Post by Amethyst Deceiver
says...
[...]
Post by Amethyst Deceiver
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Having said that (and having just emerged from our Christmas lunch,
to which any typos can be attributed)
Ah, you too, huh? I shared a table with a Jewish woman and a Muslim.
And three Chinese people. My share of the wine seems to have been
larger than usual...
Gosh! I bet they were really offended to have been invited to a
Christmas lunch.
Oh, yes, I could tell by the way they were all tucking in with gusto.
Horribly offended. We had to teach the Muslim woman how to play
tiddlywinks - her cracker gift - since she'd never played before.
Hilarity ensued.
--
Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary
the Omrud
2008-12-20 15:39:31 UTC
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Many Jews that I know participate in some of the secular parts of the
Christmas celebration but attending Midnight Mass would be somewhat
unusual, in my experience.
That's no different for the vast majority of the population. I only
know people who are likely to go to church at Christmas because I sing
in choirs (although there are probably one or two in AUE).
--
David
James Silverton
2008-12-20 15:47:13 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Many Jews that I know participate in some of the secular
parts of the Christmas celebration but attending Midnight
Mass would be somewhat unusual, in my experience.
That's no different for the vast majority of the population. I only
know people who are likely to go to church at Christmas
because I sing in choirs (although there are probably one or
two in AUE).
I guess some Jewish people might well go to hear the Christmas music and
enjoy the gift giving of the Yule season. After all, Chanukah has
developed into a sort of "Jewish Christmas" even if that is denied by
many. I was in a toy store yesterday buying presents for my
grandchildren. The store that presents and I was asked if I wanted
Christmas or Chanukah paper.
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
the Omrud
2008-12-20 16:04:10 UTC
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Post by James Silverton
Post by the Omrud
Many Jews that I know participate in some of the secular
parts of the Christmas celebration but attending Midnight
Mass would be somewhat unusual, in my experience.
That's no different for the vast majority of the population. I only
know people who are likely to go to church at Christmas
because I sing in choirs (although there are probably one or
two in AUE).
I guess some Jewish people might well go to hear the Christmas music and
enjoy the gift giving of the Yule season.
At midnight? In England, in the miserable December weather?
Post by James Silverton
After all, Chanukah has
developed into a sort of "Jewish Christmas" even if that is denied by
many. I was in a toy store yesterday buying presents for my
grandchildren. The store that presents and I was asked if I wanted
Christmas or Chanukah paper.
I think that would be unusual here, especially away from the main Jewish
centres of population.
--
David
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
2008-12-20 14:49:47 UTC
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:07:11 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
Post by Mike Lyle
Post by Amethyst Deceiver
says...
[...]
Post by Amethyst Deceiver
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Having said that (and having just emerged from our Christmas lunch,
to which any typos can be attributed)
Ah, you too, huh? I shared a table with a Jewish woman and a Muslim.
And three Chinese people. My share of the wine seems to have been
larger than usual...
Gosh! I bet they were really offended to have been invited to a
Christmas lunch.
Today the Times (of London) has a feature about the celebration of Christmas
by four British familes of non-Christian faiths.
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article5370051.ece

THE HINDU FAMILY: Mahendra Dabhi, a project manager, lives with his wife
and two children in Solihull

“It has become a family tradition that my wife, Jay, dresses up as Father
Christmas on Christmas Day. We don't make her wear a beard, but she's got
the hat, a sack and a red outfit, which she wears when she is giving
presents to our daughters, Heena, 16, and Urvi, 13. There are normally 24
of us celebrating. My five sisters, their children, my wife's brother and
four sisters and their children. “My sister starts making the Christmas
pudding in October. She adds brandy regularly and when she unseals it on
Christmas Day you can smell it from miles away! On the day we eat a
traditional vegetarian Indian meal, but with a Christmas turkey and all
the trimmings on the side.
....
“When I first came here from Uganda 30 years ago we didn't have special
holidays for Diwali so we used Christmas as a chance to get together and
made it more Hindu. ...
“The first Christmas I spent here was when I was 16, in 1972, just after
Idi Amin had expelled us. I was in a resettlement camp in Devon and some
locals invited us to celebrate Christmas with them. It was a massive
relief after the stress of leaving Uganda. That's where I learnt about the
Christmas spirit.”


THE SIKH FAMILY: Sathnam Sanghera, a Times writer, spends Christmas with
his brother-in-law ... in Wolverhampton

“Looking back, the question that should have really troubled me was why a
religious family of Sikh Punjabi immigrants would want to celebrate
Christmas in the first place. Instead, all my childish anxiety went into
worrying why there was such a gap between Christmas as it was on telly and
Christmas as it was in our home, in Wolverhampton.
....
“Christmas Day begins with me trying to make lunch. And I say ‘trying'
because my mother is getting increasingly religious and correspondingly
more vegetarian, so much so that she claims to be made to feel ill by the
smell of cooking meat. Last year I had to roast the turkey at my brother's
house in Dudley three miles away before driving it over at 1pm.

“By this time all my siblings and their children will have arrived, and
lunch is eaten in Royle Family[1] style: plates on our laps, the Top of
the Pops Christmas special blaring on TV. Occasionally my brother and I
will risk a furtive glass of wine - furtive because, Mum, as another
element of her increasing religiosity, won't allow alcohol in the house.
After food, there will be the Queen's speech, which I will translate for
Mum, while the rest of the family mock me for my bad Punjabi.


THE MUSLIM FAMILY: Ghazhala Nizam, account manager, and her two sisters,
in Streatham, South London

“We do the works for Christmas dinner. We'll begin with a nice starter,
something like smoked salmon, and then we have a capon and a leg of lamb
for the main meal - there are up to 20 friends and family helping us
celebrate, so we need a lot.

“We used to do turkey, but then we realised no one liked it. Everything
else is traditional - stuffing, roast potatoes, parsnips, carrots,
Brussels sprouts - I insist on Brussels sprouts! We have vegetarian
Christmas puddings, not because we are vegetarian but because the animal
fat in the suet is probably not halal. You can get halal turkeys from our
butcher, but you have to order them. We have mince pies but no brandy
butter because drink is forbidden for Muslims, so it's a dry Christmas.

“When we were young we decorated the house for Christmas, but as we've got
older they've gone up earlier, to coincide with Eid ul-Fitr. I started
doing this about five or six years ago when Christmas decorations were
going up really early and everyone was complaining. I thought actually, I
do have something to celebrate... And now I always put fairy lights up
during Ramadan because it's a really festive time of year for us.
....
Although we celebrate Christmas, we don't celebrate it in terms of a
Christian festival. For us it's the opportunity to spend quality time with
friends and family.
....

THE JEWISH FAMILY: Jacques Cannon, company director, his wife Amanda and
son Noah, in Northwood, Middlesex

“We love Christmas. We send cards, decorate the tree, put a wreath on the
door, go to Midnight Mass and make the dogs wear Christmas hats. On
Christmas morning when Noah, 3, wakes up, the first thing he sees is the
mince pie Father Christmas has taken a bite from and the fake snow
footprints he has left on the carpet.

“I'm Jewish, my wife is Jewish, my son is Jewish and will have a Bar
Mitzvah, but we don't go to the synagogue every week and we're not kosher.
I think Christmas has got the feelgood factor whatever your religion. We
have about 16 people for lunch. We buy a kosher turkey, but only because
we think it tastes better. Then we cover it in bacon.”

[1] Royle Family:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royle_Family
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
the Omrud
2008-12-18 18:58:20 UTC
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Post by Mike M
Post by the Omrud
Post by Mike M
Post by the Omrud
I don't dislike it and I actually own a copy, on a Donna Summer album
which I bought (in New York, as it happens, in 1976, and carried back on
a plane) purely for the duet No More Tears (Enough Is Enough) with
Barbra Streisand. I always bought albums rather than singles on the
grounds that they were better value and I often discovered new music
that way. However, it's vinyl so I haven't played it for many years..
I could have written that last paragraph word for word and it would be
equally true (apart from the New York bit).
Are you sure you're not me?
Not entirely. Although I vaguely remember that I am also Laura, as
evidenced by the "Sacla Tomato and Olive Pasta Sauce" Postulate.
Perhaps we're all one big person.
Hmmm. I don't know precisely what this postulate is, but (unless it's
"I have no idea what Sacla means and I dislike olives"), I don't think
it applies to me.
Right, you're not me if you dislike olives.
Post by Mike M
Which means we have a paradox, because I am you, and you are Laura,
but I am (probably) not Laura.
Gosh, I hope this doesn't prove that I don't exist.
Descartes goes into a pub and orders a pint of beer. He drinks it and
the barman says, "Would you like another?". Descartes says, "Hmmm, I
can't think" and disappears.
--
David
William
2008-12-18 19:06:37 UTC
Permalink
Descartes goes into a pub and orders a pint of beer.  He drinks it and
the barman says, "Would you like another?".  Descartes says, "Hmmm, I
can't think" and disappears.
Cogito ergo summat.

--
WH
Mike Lyle
2008-12-18 20:09:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by William
Descartes goes into a pub and orders a pint of beer. He drinks it and
the barman says, "Would you like another?". Descartes says, "Hmmm, I
can't think" and disappears.
Cogito ergo summat.
I know a Tibetan lama who's been to the top of Everest. His motto is
"cogito ergo summit".
--
Mike.
Irwell
2008-12-18 20:52:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Lyle
Post by William
Descartes goes into a pub and orders a pint of beer. He drinks it and
the barman says, "Would you like another?". Descartes says, "Hmmm, I
can't think" and disappears.
Cogito ergo summat.
I know a Tibetan lama who's been to the top of Everest. His motto is
"cogito ergo summit".
Just received my daughter's book on David Hume.
"Cogito ergo dormire"
LFS
2008-12-18 21:07:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Lyle
Post by William
Descartes goes into a pub and orders a pint of beer. He drinks it and
the barman says, "Would you like another?". Descartes says, "Hmmm, I
can't think" and disappears.
Cogito ergo summat.
I know a Tibetan lama who's been to the top of Everest. His motto is
"cogito ergo summit".
Here's a collection that I saved from a thread from long ago - apologies
to those who thought them up, I didn't make a note of the authors:

Cogito haricot sum. I think therefore I have bean.

Cogito ergo dim sum. I think I fancy a snack...

Cogito ergo tism. ...but I think this rye bread's a bit off.

Cogito pogo sum. Life has its ups and downs.

Cogito orga.....sm. I think.....oh I forget.
It doesn't seem to matter any more.

Cogito virgo sum. You're as felt as you feel.

Cogito argot sum. Would you Adam and Eve it.

Cogito Argos sum. That'll be 29 pounds 98 pence. Please collect
your goods from the other counter.

Cogito ergo something. I've lost my train of thought.

Cogito ergo sump. I think the car needs an oil change

Cogito ergo sumptuous. I think you've gone a bit over the top with that
outfit.

Cogito ergo summary. I think that's about it, then.

Cogito ergo summons. I think I was driving too fast.

Cogito ergo sumac. I think best sitting under a tree

Cogito argo dumb: I think Jason's quest is very speculative.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
R H Draney
2008-12-19 02:06:45 UTC
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Post by LFS
Cogito ergo sumac. I think best sitting under a tree
Or singing in Quechua:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yma_Sumac

....r
--
"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!"
"You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!"
Robin Bignall
2008-12-18 22:10:35 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:09:20 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
Post by Mike Lyle
Post by William
Descartes goes into a pub and orders a pint of beer. He drinks it and
the barman says, "Would you like another?". Descartes says, "Hmmm, I
can't think" and disappears.
Cogito ergo summat.
I know a Tibetan lama who's been to the top of Everest. His motto is
"cogito ergo summit".
I'm finding this thread quite tenzing.
--
Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
2008-12-18 22:46:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robin Bignall
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:09:20 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
Post by Mike Lyle
Post by William
Descartes goes into a pub and orders a pint of beer. He drinks it and
the barman says, "Would you like another?". Descartes says, "Hmmm, I
can't think" and disappears.
Cogito ergo summat.
I know a Tibetan lama who's been to the top of Everest. His motto is
"cogito ergo summit".
I'm finding this thread quite tenzing.
Everest is quite steep. Or should I say hill-ary.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Mike Lyle
2008-12-18 22:58:38 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:10:35 +0000, Robin Bignall
Post by Robin Bignall
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:09:20 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
Post by Mike Lyle
Post by William
Descartes goes into a pub and orders a pint of beer. He drinks it
and the barman says, "Would you like another?". Descartes says,
"Hmmm, I can't think" and disappears.
Cogito ergo summat.
I know a Tibetan lama who's been to the top of Everest. His motto is
"cogito ergo summit".
I'm finding this thread quite tenzing.
Everest is quite steep. Or should I say hill-ary.
What an epalling pair of puns.
--
Mike.
Irwell
2008-12-19 00:43:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Lyle
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:10:35 +0000, Robin Bignall
Post by Robin Bignall
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:09:20 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
Post by Mike Lyle
Post by William
Descartes goes into a pub and orders a pint of beer. He drinks it
and the barman says, "Would you like another?". Descartes says,
"Hmmm, I can't think" and disappears.
Cogito ergo summat.
I know a Tibetan lama who's been to the top of Everest. His motto is
"cogito ergo summit".
I'm finding this thread quite tenzing.
Everest is quite steep. Or should I say hill-ary.
What an epalling pair of puns.
What else can a Kathmandu?
No Darjeelings.
J. J. Lodder
2008-12-19 11:13:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Lyle
Post by William
Descartes goes into a pub and orders a pint of beer. He drinks it and
the barman says, "Would you like another?". Descartes says, "Hmmm, I
can't think" and disappears.
Cogito ergo summat.
I know a Tibetan lama who's been to the top of Everest. His motto is
"cogito ergo summit".
"Toi, tu penses".
"Moi, je suis" (Obelix)

Jan
LFS
2008-12-17 17:45:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:08:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
And counting.
Goodness, you lot really *were* there in the 1960s, then! I can remember
it very well indeed.

At the time, a very literary acquaintance of mine explained to me that
it was an allusion to Wystan Hugh's description of his own visage as
like a wedding cake left out in the rain.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
Leslie Danks
2008-12-16 12:26:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
Three, but the Internet is a wonderful place:


--
Les (BrE)
CDB
2008-12-16 13:06:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Leslie Danks
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after
he'd got fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or
confused, and I like it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
http://youtu.be/xaZim6ybvdA
No. No, no, no, no, no. Donna Summer? No. Richard Harris.
http://youtu.be/GHS8hj4TdT8

I was living in Vancouver at that time, on Robson just above Denman,
and spending every minute I could in Stanley Park. That's what I see
through the rain, when I hear this song. Youth.
Leslie Danks
2008-12-16 13:46:12 UTC
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[...]
Post by CDB
Post by Leslie Danks
http://youtu.be/xaZim6ybvdA
No. No, no, no, no, no. Donna Summer? No. Richard Harris.
http://youtu.be/GHS8hj4TdT8
If you insist, but with the link you gave I get "This video is not available
in your country" (UK).

For the really curious, this works:


Post by CDB
I was living in Vancouver at that time, on Robson just above Denman,
and spending every minute I could in Stanley Park. That's what I see
through the rain, when I hear this song. Youth.
--
Les (BrE)
Not sure what all the fuss was about, but perhaps I should have been paying
attention at the time...
CDB
2008-12-16 15:51:47 UTC
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Post by Leslie Danks
[...]
Post by CDB
Post by Leslie Danks
http://youtu.be/xaZim6ybvdA
No. No, no, no, no, no. Donna Summer? No. Richard Harris.
http://youtu.be/GHS8hj4TdT8
If you insist, but with the link you gave I get "This video is not
available in your country" (UK).
http://youtu.be/IdtsNtlJkDY
Copyright problems? Might explain why so many people haven't heard
it. That and "pressed in love's hot fevered iron like a stripèd pair
of pants", I suppose. It became popular during that brief period when
right-thinking folks only smiled pityingly at cynics and smartasses.
I see there's a Percy Faith version too.

[youth]
Fran Kemmish
2008-12-16 16:13:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by CDB
Post by Leslie Danks
[...]
Post by CDB
Post by Leslie Danks
http://youtu.be/xaZim6ybvdA
No. No, no, no, no, no. Donna Summer? No. Richard Harris.
http://youtu.be/GHS8hj4TdT8
If you insist, but with the link you gave I get "This video is not
available in your country" (UK).
http://youtu.be/IdtsNtlJkDY
Copyright problems? Might explain why so many people haven't heard
it. That and "pressed in love's hot fevered iron like a stripèd pair
of pants", I suppose. It became popular during that brief period when
right-thinking folks only smiled pityingly at cynics and smartasses.
I see there's a Percy Faith version too.
[youth]
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.

Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.

Fran
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2008-12-16 17:03:04 UTC
Permalink
[ ... ]
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
--
athel
Wood Avens
2008-12-16 17:11:46 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
[ ... ]
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
I was a young mum, but goodness knows what else I can have been doing
with my time.

Maybe we couldn't afford a radio.

I do know that some time in 1968 some developers were getting a
compulsory-purchase order so that they could pull our house down.
That kind of thing does occupy the mind rather.
--
Katy Jennison

spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @
Fran Kemmish
2008-12-16 17:31:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
[ ... ]
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
I was a young mum, but goodness knows what else I can have been doing
with my time.
Maybe we couldn't afford a radio.
I remember being a mum (though not so young) in the 80s, and there
wasn't much free time.
Post by Wood Avens
I do know that some time in 1968 some developers were getting a
compulsory-purchase order so that they could pull our house down.
That kind of thing does occupy the mind rather.
That is distracting. In the early 1970s, I worked with a woman whose
house was purchased under a similar order for the construction of
"Ringway II", which was to be a new London orbital road. I think they
got about 2,000 GBP for it. Of course, the road was never built, and the
authority made a tidy profit on the houses they had bought up.

Fran
Paul Wolff
2008-12-16 17:29:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
[ ... ]
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
I must have heard it, but it didn't signify anything then or now, except
how silly some popular music was getting by the late 60s.
Post by Wood Avens
I was a young mum, but goodness knows what else I can have been doing
with my time.
Maybe we couldn't afford a radio.
I do know that some time in 1968 some developers were getting a
compulsory-purchase order so that they could pull our house down.
That kind of thing does occupy the mind rather.
You should have lain down in front of the bulldozer until Ford Prefect
arrived and talked you into going to the pub for peanuts and three pints
of beer. That works.
--
Paul
Wood Avens
2008-12-16 17:41:54 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:29:14 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
[ ... ]
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
I must have heard it, but it didn't signify anything then or now, except
how silly some popular music was getting by the late 60s.
Post by Wood Avens
I was a young mum, but goodness knows what else I can have been doing
with my time.
Maybe we couldn't afford a radio.
I do know that some time in 1968 some developers were getting a
compulsory-purchase order so that they could pull our house down.
That kind of thing does occupy the mind rather.
You should have lain down in front of the bulldozer until Ford Prefect
arrived and talked you into going to the pub for peanuts and three pints
of beer. That works.
You mean, I could have been failing to appreciate Vogon music rather
than failing to appreciate MacArthur Park? Hmm.
--
Katy Jennison

spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @
William
2008-12-16 20:11:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:29:14 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
[ ... ]
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
I must have heard it, but it didn't signify anything then or now, except
how silly some popular music was getting by the late 60s.
Post by Wood Avens
I was a young mum, but goodness knows what else I can have been doing
with my time.
Maybe we couldn't afford a radio.
I do know that some time in 1968 some developers were getting a
compulsory-purchase order so that they could pull our house down.
That kind of thing does occupy the mind rather.
You should have lain down in front of the bulldozer until Ford Prefect
arrived and talked you into going to the pub for peanuts and three pints
of beer.  That works.
You mean, I could have been failing to appreciate Vogon music rather
than failing to appreciate MacArthur Park?  Hmm.
MacArthur Park *is* Vogon music.

--
WH
Paul Wolff
2008-12-16 20:21:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by William
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:29:14 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Fran Kemmish
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
I must have heard it, but it didn't signify anything then or now, except
how silly some popular music was getting by the late 60s.
Post by Wood Avens
I was a young mum, but goodness knows what else I can have been doing
with my time.
Maybe we couldn't afford a radio.
I do know that some time in 1968 some developers were getting a
compulsory-purchase order so that they could pull our house down.
That kind of thing does occupy the mind rather.
You should have lain down in front of the bulldozer until Ford Prefect
arrived and talked you into going to the pub for peanuts and three pints
of beer.  That works.
You mean, I could have been failing to appreciate Vogon music rather
than failing to appreciate MacArthur Park?  Hmm.
MacArthur Park *is* Vogon music.
That, of course, would explain it all.
--
Paul
CDB
2008-12-16 21:06:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by William
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:29:14 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
On 2008-12-16 17:13:42 +0100, Fran Kemmish
[ MacArthur Park ]
Post by William
Post by Wood Avens
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
Post by Fran Kemmish
I don't think it explains why a number of British
correspondents claim not to have heard of it. It was played
everywhere and all the time when I was a student back in the
1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to
be the usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If
you'd said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak
of my pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by
1968 my interests were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a
bit of it on Leslie's link, and it didn't bring back any
memories whatsoever.
I must have heard it, but it didn't signify anything then or now,
except how silly some popular music was getting by the late 60s.
Post by Wood Avens
I was a young mum, but goodness knows what else I can have been
doing with my time.
Maybe we couldn't afford a radio.
I do know that some time in 1968 some developers were getting a
compulsory-purchase order so that they could pull our house down.
That kind of thing does occupy the mind rather.
You should have lain down in front of the bulldozer until Ford
Prefect arrived and talked you into going to the pub for peanuts
and three pints of beer. That works.
You mean, I could have been failing to appreciate Vogon music
rather than failing to appreciate MacArthur Park? Hmm.
MacArthur Park *is* Vogon music.
<pitying smile>

Those were top-40 stations; you took what you could get, and Harris
was a long cut above The Archies and "Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, I've Got
Love in my Tummy" -- fellatio rock, as George Bowering called it in a
_Georgia Straight_ article I remember.

Not to mention The Poppy Family.
R H Draney
2008-12-16 23:09:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by CDB
Post by William
MacArthur Park *is* Vogon music.
<pitying smile>
"A Vogon Called Horse"?...
Post by CDB
Those were top-40 stations; you took what you could get, and Harris
was a long cut above The Archies and "Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, I've Got
Love in my Tummy" -- fellatio rock, as George Bowering called it in a
_Georgia Straight_ article I remember.
Not to mention The Poppy Family.
What I loved about top-40 in the middle and late 1960s was that you never knew
what was coming next...Jeannie C Riley followed by Jefferson Airplane followed
by Henry Mancini followed by Smokey Robinson and the Miracles followed by SSgt
Barry Sadler, and all without touching the dial...none of this
compartmentalization we have today....

As regards the bubblegum genre, I recommend a book called "Bubblegum Music Is
The Naked Truth"...it celebrates, explores, and attempts to explain the
phenomenon in a compendium of separate but related articles...one consistent
point made throughout the volume is that food, especially sweet food, in
bubblegum represents sublimated sex....r
--
"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!"
"You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!"
Robin Bignall
2008-12-16 22:39:28 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:29:14 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
[ ... ]
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
I must have heard it, but it didn't signify anything then or now, except
how silly some popular music was getting by the late 60s.
I don't remember it either. But on silliness, just think of the 50s
and "How Much is that Doggie in the Window", "Yellow Polka Dot
Bikini", "Does your chewing gum lose its flavour on the bedpost
overnight" et al. If you weren't actually listening to the words,
Donna Summer's version was quite melodious.
--
Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England
Paul Wolff
2008-12-16 23:07:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:29:14 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Fran Kemmish
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
I must have heard it, but it didn't signify anything then or now, except
how silly some popular music was getting by the late 60s.
I don't remember it either. But on silliness, just think of the 50s
and "How Much is that Doggie in the Window", "Yellow Polka Dot
Bikini", "Does your chewing gum lose its flavour on the bedpost
overnight" et al. If you weren't actually listening to the words,
Donna Summer's version was quite melodious.
Yes, thanks for bringing me down to earth. Silliness lies along a
delicate balance against one's age. I felt superior to the red-nosed
reindeer, but at one with chewing gum on the bedpost. I could only
dream of bikinis. By 1968 I was inching ahead of the game once more.
--
Paul
Robin Bignall
2008-12-17 22:54:02 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:07:30 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:29:14 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Fran Kemmish
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
I must have heard it, but it didn't signify anything then or now, except
how silly some popular music was getting by the late 60s.
I don't remember it either. But on silliness, just think of the 50s
and "How Much is that Doggie in the Window", "Yellow Polka Dot
Bikini", "Does your chewing gum lose its flavour on the bedpost
overnight" et al. If you weren't actually listening to the words,
Donna Summer's version was quite melodious.
Yes, thanks for bringing me down to earth. Silliness lies along a
delicate balance against one's age. I felt superior to the red-nosed
reindeer, but at one with chewing gum on the bedpost. I could only
dream of bikinis. By 1968 I was inching ahead of the game once more.
Measuring the marigolds?
--
Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England
LFS
2008-12-18 07:57:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robin Bignall
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:07:30 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:29:14 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Fran Kemmish
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
I must have heard it, but it didn't signify anything then or now, except
how silly some popular music was getting by the late 60s.
I don't remember it either. But on silliness, just think of the 50s
and "How Much is that Doggie in the Window", "Yellow Polka Dot
Bikini", "Does your chewing gum lose its flavour on the bedpost
overnight" et al. If you weren't actually listening to the words,
Donna Summer's version was quite melodious.
Yes, thanks for bringing me down to earth. Silliness lies along a
delicate balance against one's age. I felt superior to the red-nosed
reindeer, but at one with chewing gum on the bedpost. I could only
dream of bikinis. By 1968 I was inching ahead of the game once more.
Measuring the marigolds?
Nice one, Robin, but a sticker, as most Danny Kaye offerings seem to be.
Still, it may be a useful distraction in the day I have ahead of me
which will involve much discussion of measurement.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
Robin Bignall
2008-12-18 22:06:41 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:57:17 +0000, LFS
Post by LFS
Post by Robin Bignall
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:07:30 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:29:14 +0000, Paul Wolff
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Fran Kemmish
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
I must have heard it, but it didn't signify anything then or now, except
how silly some popular music was getting by the late 60s.
I don't remember it either. But on silliness, just think of the 50s
and "How Much is that Doggie in the Window", "Yellow Polka Dot
Bikini", "Does your chewing gum lose its flavour on the bedpost
overnight" et al. If you weren't actually listening to the words,
Donna Summer's version was quite melodious.
Yes, thanks for bringing me down to earth. Silliness lies along a
delicate balance against one's age. I felt superior to the red-nosed
reindeer, but at one with chewing gum on the bedpost. I could only
dream of bikinis. By 1968 I was inching ahead of the game once more.
Measuring the marigolds?
Nice one, Robin, but a sticker, as most Danny Kaye offerings seem to be.
Still, it may be a useful distraction in the day I have ahead of me
which will involve much discussion of measurement.
I thought there was general agreement that size doesn't matter. The
banks seem to have been following that line for mortgages versus
income.
--
Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
2008-12-16 17:50:38 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
[ ... ]
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
The song title is familiar from that era.

I've listened to it but am unable to be certain whether I have heard it before
because there are several brief sequences which are very reminiscent of other
songs. So the fact that parts ring bells does not mean that I am recognising
the whole song.
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Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Irwell
2008-12-16 21:25:24 UTC
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Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
[ ... ]
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
Perhaps they are all much younger than me. That's getting to be the
usual reason.
I was (just) past being a student in 1968, so that's not it. If you'd
said 1966 or 1967 I'd have said "That's right at the peak of my
pop-listening phase, so I must have heard it", but by 1968 my interests
were elsewhere. Anyway, I just listened to a bit of it on Leslie's
link, and it didn't bring back any memories whatsoever.
The song title is familiar from that era.
I've listened to it but am unable to be certain whether I have heard it before
because there are several brief sequences which are very reminiscent of other
songs. So the fact that parts ring bells does not mean that I am recognising
the whole song.
It is on my Mystic Moods album, along with California Dreamin' and
Norwegian Wood.
R H Draney
2008-12-17 19:49:41 UTC
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Post by Irwell
It is on my Mystic Moods album, along with California Dreamin' and
Norwegian Wood.
A geographic-themed album?...

Perhaps one should listen to it while wearing Bermuda shorts and a Panama
hat....

And an Illinois Jacquet....r
--
"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!"
"You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!"
Amethyst Deceiver
2008-12-17 10:18:24 UTC
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In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@rcn.coml.com
says...
Post by Fran Kemmish
Post by CDB
Post by Leslie Danks
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Post by CDB
Post by Leslie Danks
http://youtu.be/xaZim6ybvdA
No. No, no, no, no, no. Donna Summer? No. Richard Harris.
http://youtu.be/GHS8hj4TdT8
If you insist, but with the link you gave I get "This video is not
available in your country" (UK).
http://youtu.be/IdtsNtlJkDY
Copyright problems? Might explain why so many people haven't heard
it. That and "pressed in love's hot fevered iron like a stripèd pair
of pants", I suppose. It became popular during that brief period when
right-thinking folks only smiled pityingly at cynics and smartasses.
I see there's a Percy Faith version too.
[youth]
I don't think it explains why a number of British correspondents claim
not to have heard of it. It was played everywhere and all the time when
I was a student back in the 1968.
I was living in Belgium at the time and while my listening pleasure
included 'Cinderella Rockefeller', 'MacArthur Park' escaped me until the
Donna Summer version.
--
Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary
R H Draney
2008-12-16 16:01:50 UTC
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Post by Leslie Danks
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Post by CDB
Post by Leslie Danks
http://youtu.be/xaZim6ybvdA
No. No, no, no, no, no. Donna Summer? No. Richard Harris.
http://youtu.be/GHS8hj4TdT8
If you insist, but with the link you gave I get "This video is not available
in your country" (UK).
http://youtu.be/IdtsNtlJkDY
There's a saying that a song is only a success if it inspires a Weird Al parody:



....r
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"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!"
"You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!"
John Holmes
2008-12-20 11:11:29 UTC
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Post by R H Draney
http://youtu.be/4Yz40BexXVY
There was another parody too, IIRC, by the Barron Knights: something
about Arthur Clark, the gardener in the park.
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Regards
John
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at tpg dot com dot au
R H Draney
2008-12-20 15:30:44 UTC
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Post by John Holmes
Post by R H Draney
http://youtu.be/4Yz40BexXVY
There was another parody too, IIRC, by the Barron Knights: something
about Arthur Clark, the gardener in the park.
If it made it onto a record, I've probably got a copy around here somewhere...a
flood of Barron Knights stuff showed up on a binaries group a few years
back....r
--
"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!"
"You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!"
Chuck Riggs
2008-12-17 15:58:36 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:08:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
Plus a third who hasn't heard it and is just as glad.
--
Regards,

Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland
Amethyst Deceiver
2008-12-17 16:18:03 UTC
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Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:08:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
Plus a third who hasn't heard it and is just as glad.
Weren't you railing at apparent snobbishness regarding not watching
certain TV programmes? Isn't what you're doing here at least as
snobbish?
--
Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary
the Omrud
2008-12-17 16:21:56 UTC
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Post by Amethyst Deceiver
Post by Wood Avens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:08:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Mike M
Post by Mike Lyle
In view of the messages we've seen about a song (who knew that
song-writing was how General MacArthur passed the time after he'd got
fired?), I don't think the metaphor /is/ mixed or confused, and I like
it. I don't know the song, but...
Wow. I didn't think there was anybody alive who hadn't heard
"MacArthur Park".
There are at least two!
Plus a third who hasn't heard it and is just as glad.
Weren't you railing at apparent snobbishness regarding not watching
certain TV programmes? Isn't what you're doing here at least as
snobbish?
And he'll never have that recipe again.
--
David
William
2008-12-17 21:50:07 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
And he'll never have that recipe again.
Ohhhh, nooooooo.

--
WH
Mike Lyle
2008-12-18 20:12:04 UTC
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Post by William
Post by the Omrud
And he'll never have that recipe again.
Ohhhh, nooooooo.
Is this a "Dum-ty-Dym*-ty-Dum-ty-da" moment?

*That one's Welsh. The others only look it.
--
Mike.
Prai Jei
2008-12-15 22:42:56 UTC
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Post by uri
"Sorry to be the rain on the cake". What does this phrase mean?
The sweet green icing is flowing down.
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ξ:) Proud to be curly

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