who got the 'ell out?

[Snidely]

You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

/dps

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?
/dps

Not everyone has an l in Ralph. Ralph Richardson didn't, for example.

[Snidely]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?
/dps

Not everyone has an l in Ralph. Ralph Richardson didn't, for example.

Did he go with "Rafe", as did Vaughn Williams?

/dps

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Snidely

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?
/dps

Not everyone has an l in Ralph. Ralph Richardson didn't, for example.

Did he go with "Rafe", as did Vaughn Williams?

I think so.

[jerryfriedman]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Snidely

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?
/dps

Not everyone has an l in Ralph. Ralph Richardson didn't, for example.

Did he go with "Rafe", as did Vaughn Williams?

I think so.

Also Fiennes, but Alf has an /l/.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 12:08:00 +0200

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?
/dps

Not everyone has an l in Ralph. Ralph Richardson didn't, for example.

Nor do USAnians who use a soddering iron (oo-er!)

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

Noel.

[Garrett Wollman]

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

-GAWollman

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish).

Danish has "dromedar" and "kamel". I'm not sure that all Danes separate
the two meanings.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

I was taught in Standard 1 (Grade/Year 3) that camels came in two
varieties, dromedary and Bactrian.

Actually I'm amazed how much I remember of what I was taught in
Standard 1 (aged 7-8), more than any other year of my 12 years at
school. Odd bits of knowledge come to mind and I can picture Miss
Armstrong (who became Mrs Legger) in standing in front of the class
and telling us all these amazing things -- not just camels with one or
two humps, but seeds that were monocotyledon and dicotyledon -- and I
still remember how to spell them.

[Janet]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

I was taught in Standard 1 (Grade/Year 3) that camels came in two
varieties, dromedary and Bactrian.
Actually I'm amazed how much I remember of what I was taught in
Standard 1 (aged 7-8), more than any other year of my 12 years at
school. Odd bits of knowledge come to mind and I can picture Miss
Armstrong (who became Mrs Legger) in standing in front of the class
and telling us all these amazing things -- not just camels with one or
two humps, but seeds that were monocotyledon and dicotyledon -- and I
still remember how to spell them.

I agree.

This suggests that education of children in schools is
all back to front. In Infant school, when the brain is
empty and most receptive, they should be taught tricky
stuff that's hard to remember, like sstrophysics and
Manadarin. Save spelling, fingerpainting and bead counting
classes for older teenagers, whose brains are so full
they already know everything.

Janet



Janet

Janet

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

I was taught in Standard 1 (Grade/Year 3) that camels came in two
varieties, dromedary and Bactrian.

Yes, that's exactly what I was taught.

Post by Steve Hayes
Actually I'm amazed how much I remember of what I was taught in
Standard 1 (aged 7-8), more than any other year of my 12 years at
school. Odd bits of knowledge come to mind and I can picture Miss
Armstrong (who became Mrs Legger) in standing in front of the class
and telling us all these amazing things -- not just camels with one or
two humps, but seeds that were monocotyledon and dicotyledon -- and I
still remember how to spell them.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Steve Hayes
Actually I'm amazed how much I remember of what I was taught in
Standard 1 (aged 7-8), more than any other year of my 12 years at
school. Odd bits of knowledge come to mind and I can picture Miss
Armstrong (who became Mrs Legger) in standing in front of the class
and telling us all these amazing things -- not just camels with one
or two humps, but seeds that were monocotyledon and dicotyledon --
and I still remember how to spell them.

I think it was in Grade 2 that we learnt to write AMDG in beautiful
cursive script at the top of each page of our exercise books. (It stood
for Ad Majorem Gloriam Dei.) A strange thing to stick in my mind. From
Grade 3 I still remember the first few words in our spelling list.
about across afternoon air
From Grade 4 I recall absolutely nothing, except how to fold our arms
and sit up straight. That was the year we had a particularly incompetent
and bad-tempered teacher. In Grade 5 I finally mastered the
multiplication tables from 1 to 12. Of course I already knew the easy
columns by then, but in that year I finally knocked over columns 6 and 7.

That was all in a convent school. In hindsight, I can see that having
nuns as teachers led to especially poor educational outcomes. Especially
when those nuns had probably never finished primary school themselves.

[Aidan Kehoe]

[...] That was all in a convent school. In hindsight, I can see that having
nuns as teachers led to especially poor educational outcomes. Especially
when those nuns had probably never finished primary school themselves.

The local prejudices here (and the exam results in Northern Ireland, where
Catholics (in general) go to Catholic schools and Protestants go to state
schools, and the exam results for Catholics are better despite lower household
incomes) suggest the opposite. Not that there are many actual nuns left
teaching. What prompted you to make that observation?

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Aidan Kehoe

[...] That was all in a convent school. In hindsight, I can see
that having nuns as teachers led to especially poor educational
outcomes. Especially when those nuns had probably never finished
primary school themselves.

The local prejudices here (and the exam results in Northern Ireland,
where Catholics (in general) go to Catholic schools and Protestants
go to state schools, and the exam results for Catholics are better
despite lower household incomes) suggest the opposite. Not that
there are many actual nuns left teaching. What prompted you to make
that observation?

I was talking of the 1950s, when I was at school. In those days the
Catholic schools were of abysmal quality. The classrooms were poorly
equipped, the toilets didn't meet public health standards, and very few
of the teachers had any form of teaching qualification. In my school
there was exactly one teacher who wasn't a nun, and she was the only
qualified teacher in the entire school. That was my Grade 6 teacher.

A lot has changed since then. Nowadays the Catholic schools are as good
as the state schools, and many are better. It wasn't always so, though.

[Aidan Kehoe]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Aidan Kehoe

[...] That was all in a convent school. In hindsight, I can see
that having nuns as teachers led to especially poor educational
outcomes. Especially when those nuns had probably never finished
primary school themselves.

The local prejudices here (and the exam results in Northern Ireland,
where Catholics (in general) go to Catholic schools and Protestants
go to state schools, and the exam results for Catholics are better
despite lower household incomes) suggest the opposite. Not that
there are many actual nuns left teaching. What prompted you to make
that observation?

I was talking of the 1950s, when I was at school. In those days the
Catholic schools were of abysmal quality. The classrooms were poorly
equipped, the toilets didn't meet public health standards, and very few
of the teachers had any form of teaching qualification. In my school
there was exactly one teacher who wasn't a nun, and she was the only
qualified teacher in the entire school. That was my Grade 6 teacher.

Ah, so it turns out there probably is value in teacher training.

Teaching adults is very different, of course, but the classical approach to
post-graduate education in medicine from those consultants and other senior
doctors who do it, has just been to get on with it, with fairly good results,
and I have an underlying mild suspicion of those who get formal qualification
in that they probably don’t like seeing patients all that much and have an eye
for the exit from clinical work. My computer science lecturers, now, they could
have used training.

Post by Peter Moylan
A lot has changed since then. Nowadays the Catholic schools are as good
as the state schools, and many are better. It wasn't always so, though.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Aidan Kehoe

[...] That was all in a convent school. In hindsight, I can see that having
nuns as teachers led to especially poor educational outcomes. Especially
when those nuns had probably never finished primary school themselves.

The local prejudices here (and the exam results in Northern Ireland, where
Catholics (in general) go to Catholic schools and Protestants go to state
schools, and the exam results for Catholics are better despite lower household
incomes) suggest the opposite. Not that there are many actual nuns left
teaching. What prompted you to make that observation?

Maybe because it's different in Australia. I was never taught by nuns
(or monks, for that matter), but both of my sisters were (different
nuns in two different schools). The nuns in my younger sister's school
were quite relaxed about having Anglican children in their classes.
Those in my older sister's school were more old-fashioned, and inclined
to tell Anglican children they would go to hell if they didn't convert
to the True Church. Apart from that I don't think there were any
particular problems with the teaching.

[Garrett Wollman]

Post by Peter Moylan
I think it was in Grade 2 that we learnt to write AMDG in beautiful
cursive script at the top of each page of our exercise books. (It stood
for Ad Majorem Gloriam Dei.) A strange thing to stick in my mind. From
Grade 3 I still remember the first few words in our spelling list.
about across afternoon air

I remember almost nothing from primary school, except:

- In first grade I got in trouble for reading a book that was "too
mature" for me (this would become a theme, later).

- In second grade, the teacher noticed that I was straining to see the
blackboard, which resulted in a trip to the optometrist and glasses
for the rest of my life.

- In fourth through sixth grade, one of the nuns who taught science
took an interest in me and helped me do some more advanced study,
mostly chemistry.

- I had a bit of a mixed seventh/eighth grade year and I remember much
more about the physical layout of the building than the classes,
except that we read Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery" and I think
maybe also the YA novel THE LIGHT IN THE FOREST which is probably
considered more than a bit problematic these days. That year I was
in public school, I don't remember exactly why, so I took the bus to
and from school rather than having to be driven.

Unsurprisingly, I remember a lot more of the books that I read (the
ones I got to choose, at least). I read Robin Lee Graham's DOVE,
about a teenager sailing around the world alone in the 1960s (which
was sponsored by National Geographic, something I didn't really
understand at the time), Isaac Asimov's autobiography IN MEMORY YET
GREEN, Robin McKinley's THE HERO AND THE CROWN, Diane Duane's SO YOU
WANT TO BE A WIZARD, a bunch of twenty-year-old Andre Norton, FROM THE
MIXED-UP FILES OF MRS. BASIL E. FRANKWEILER, the juvenile adventure
novel MY SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN, various juvenile series including Danny
Dunn, Alvin Fernald, Henry Reed, and The Three Investigators.
Heinlein's FRIDAY, which definitely wasn't supposed to be at the
school book fair. (FRIDAY is the only one of the books that I
actually own, and I still own that very paperback today; the rest were
either library books or class texts.)

This is maybe hindsight speaking but I think there was much less
difference, in terms of what sorts of things would be considered
appropriate sorts of things for middle-school kids to read, as between
the 1960s and the 1980s, than as between the 1980s and 2000s.[1]

-GAWollman

[1] Don't like the way that came out. Writing about comparisons of
comparisons is difficult.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Garrett Wollman
- In second grade, the teacher noticed that I was straining to see
the blackboard, which resulted in a trip to the optometrist and
glasses for the rest of my life.

One of my brothers didn't reach that point until well into third grade.
The teachers reacted to his poor progress in school by putting him right
at the back of the classroom, from which he couldn't even see the
blackboard, let alone what was written on it.

By the time the problem was detected, he was so far behind in his
learning that he never recovered.

[Tony Cooper]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Garrett Wollman
- In second grade, the teacher noticed that I was straining to see
the blackboard, which resulted in a trip to the optometrist and
glasses for the rest of my life.

One of my brothers didn't reach that point until well into third grade.
The teachers reacted to his poor progress in school by putting him right
at the back of the classroom, from which he couldn't even see the
blackboard, let alone what was written on it.
By the time the problem was detected, he was so far behind in his
learning that he never recovered.

I think that a large percentage of people who wear glasses, and have
since their grade school years, first became aware of their need for
glasses because their teachers advised them that they needed an eye
exam.

I was one of those people. Like most boys, if seating in a classroom
was optional I chose to sit towards the back of the classroom. I
couldn't read the blackboard, but didn't know I was supposed to be
able to.

A teacher sent a note home with me suggesting that parents arrange for
me to have an eye exam. They were not aware that I had a vision
problem.

[Garrett Wollman]

Post by Tony Cooper
A teacher sent a note home with me suggesting that parents arrange for
me to have an eye exam. They were not aware that I had a vision
problem.

Given how bad my father's myopia was (and is) it's almost
inconceivable that I wouldn't have had some sort of vision deficiency,
but my parents still needed prodding to get my eyes checked.

-GAWollman

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Tony Cooper
A teacher sent a note home with me suggesting that parents arrange for
me to have an eye exam. They were not aware that I had a vision
problem.

Given how bad my father's myopia was (and is) it's almost
inconceivable that I wouldn't have had some sort of vision deficiency,
but my parents still needed prodding to get my eyes checked.

When I was abut 10 there was a boy who was completely blind in one eye.
His father was a doctor, and had never noticed. On the other hand a few
years earlier I went for an eye test and said, to my mother's horror,
that I couldn't see anything. The tester had covered oe eye with a
card and I was supposed to look with the other. It turned out that I
thought the card was an instrument I was supposed to look through, and
I had the other eye closed: myopia, yes, but blndness, no.

[J. J. Lodder]

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Garrett Wollman
- In second grade, the teacher noticed that I was straining to see
the blackboard, which resulted in a trip to the optometrist and
glasses for the rest of my life.

One of my brothers didn't reach that point until well into third grade.
The teachers reacted to his poor progress in school by putting him right
at the back of the classroom, from which he couldn't even see the
blackboard, let alone what was written on it.
By the time the problem was detected, he was so far behind in his
learning that he never recovered.

I think that a large percentage of people who wear glasses, and have
since their grade school years, first became aware of their need for
glasses because their teachers advised them that they needed an eye
exam.

You must be old. These days the myopia is immediately obvious
from the distance the kiddies seat themselves in front of the TV.
As they grow into puberty they gradually move closer to it,

Jan

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by J. J. Lodder
You must be old. These days the myopia is immediately obvious
from the distance the kiddies seat themselves in front of the TV.
As they grow into puberty they gradually move closer to it,

My parents were oldfashioned. They held up a newspaper three meters
away.

It's actually possible to measure the eye condition of a baby, a dead or
a fainted person.

[J. J. Lodder]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by J. J. Lodder
You must be old. These days the myopia is immediately obvious
from the distance the kiddies seat themselves in front of the TV.
As they grow into puberty they gradually move closer to it,

My parents were oldfashioned. They held up a newspaper three meters
away.
It's actually possible to measure the eye condition of a baby, a dead or
a fainted person.

Nowadays, yes. In the olden days this was much harder to do.
The results are quite positive:
measuring the lenses of one year old babies
makes prevention of things such as lazy eyes much easier.
The sooner something is done about it the better.
The developing eye does need in-focus images to develop properly,

Jan

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Peter Moylan
One of my brothers didn't reach that point until well into third grade.
The teachers reacted to his poor progress in school by putting him right
at the back of the classroom, from which he couldn't even see the
blackboard, let alone what was written on it.
By the time the problem was detected, he was so far behind in his
learning that he never recovered.

I must have been lucky then. Once while we were driving in our car - I
was about 14 years old - my mother noticed that the hind wheels of a
lorry (with three shafts) didn't touch the ground, so she concluded that
it carried no load. But I couldn't see that the wheels didn't touch, and
I couldn't see the pattern on the tyres. My parents then sent me to an
optician. My myopia was only -1 then.

I subsequently wore glasses for the next 56 years, and one of the best
things that ever happened to me, was my operation for cataract after
which I only need glasses for reading.

[lar3ryca]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Peter Moylan
One of my brothers didn't reach that point until well into third grade.
The teachers reacted to his poor progress in school by putting him right
at the back of the classroom, from which he couldn't even see the
blackboard, let alone what was written on it.
By the time the problem was detected, he was so far behind in his
learning that he never recovered.

I must have been lucky then. Once while we were driving in our car - I
was about 14 years old - my mother noticed that the hind wheels of a
lorry (with three shafts) didn't touch the ground, so she concluded that
it carried no load. But I couldn't see that the wheels didn't touch, and
I couldn't see the pattern on the tyres. My parents then sent me to an
optician. My myopia was only -1 then.
I subsequently wore glasses for the next 56 years, and one of the best
things that ever happened to me, was my operation for cataract after
which I only need glasses for reading.

I did not need glasses until about 2007.
I had cataract surgery about five years ago, and the first thing I
noticed was that the snow became white again, instead of rather putrid
shade of yellow. It surprised me, as I had not noticed the yellowing before.

It was wonderful to not require glasses for distance, but it brought up
another problem. I use bifocals with photogrey coating, and usually wear
them when outside in the sun, or when driving at night or in cloudy
conditions.

For computer use, I have prescription glasses with a blue-blocker
coating, and for everything else close up, I use reading glasses.

The problem is that I am quite often where my reading glasses aren't. I
have about 5 or 6 pair, and often leave them somewhere I don't recall.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by lar3ryca
I did not need glasses until about 2007.
I had cataract surgery about five years ago, and the first thing I
noticed was that the snow became white again, instead of rather putrid
shade of yellow. It surprised me, as I had not noticed the yellowing before.

I noticed the yellow collour while I had only had one eye fixed. The
ophthalmologist fixed them one at a time with a fortnight between so you
wouldn't be completely lost for a period.

I also noticed the difference in size between sight in the two eyes if I
put on my old glasses with one lense removed.

Post by lar3ryca
The problem is that I am quite often where my reading glasses aren't. I
have about 5 or 6 pair, and often leave them somewhere I don't recall.

I also have 5 pairs of the cheapest sort, but they have fixed places,
and I manage to remember to put them back - so far.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by lar3ryca
The problem is that I am quite often where my reading glasses aren't. I
have about 5 or 6 pair, and often leave them somewhere I don't recall.

I also have 5 pairs of the cheapest sort, but they have fixed places,
and I manage to remember to put them back - so far.

Me too.
I bought them on-line as a pack of 5 pairs, so it seems a lot of people
adopt the same approach.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Sam Plusnet
I bought them on-line as a pack of 5 pairs, so it seems a lot of people
adopt the same approach.

I've told it before:

I intended to get proper glasses with high quality lenses, but the shop
assistent treated me so stupidly that I didn't effectuate the order and
never set foot in the shop again. A shame really, because I have used
that shop through maybe 40 years and otherwise have had excellent
service.

[lar3ryca]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by lar3ryca
The problem is that I am quite often where my reading glasses aren't. I
have about 5 or 6 pair, and often leave them somewhere I don't recall.

I also have 5 pairs of the cheapest sort, but they have fixed places,
and I manage to remember to put them back - so far.

Me too.
I bought them on-line as a pack of 5 pairs, so it seems a lot of people
adopt the same approach.

I buy mine at the dollar store, where they are about $1.75.
I do try to remember to leave them where I use them, and even have a
bunch of different and easily recognizable pairs, but I still forget to
leave them when I wander off.

[lar3ryca]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by lar3ryca
I did not need glasses until about 2007.
I had cataract surgery about five years ago, and the first thing I
noticed was that the snow became white again, instead of rather putrid
shade of yellow. It surprised me, as I had not noticed the yellowing before.

I noticed the yellow collour while I had only had one eye fixed. The
ophthalmologist fixed them one at a time with a fortnight between so you
wouldn't be completely lost for a period.

Same for me. Alas, I am slowly developing what they call secondary
cataracts.

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I also noticed the difference in size between sight in the two eyes if I
put on my old glasses with one lense removed.

Post by lar3ryca
The problem is that I am quite often where my reading glasses aren't. I
have about 5 or 6 pair, and often leave them somewhere I don't recall.

I also have 5 pairs of the cheapest sort, but they have fixed places,
and I manage to remember to put them back - so far.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I noticed the yellow collour while I had only had one eye fixed. The
ophthalmologist fixed them one at a time with a fortnight between so you
wouldn't be completely lost for a period.

Same for me. Alas, I am slowly developing what they call secondary
cataracts.

A couple of weeks after I had both eyes fixed, the left eye grew
incresingly worse. I then went to my opthalmologist, and he said that it
was "after-cataract" and offered me a treatment that would cost $100. I
could have gotten it free if I wanted to wait several months, so I
accepted. He burnt the problem away with a laser, and it took just a few
minutes. I haven't had any problems since.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 00:29:27 -0600
lar3ryca <***@invalid.ca> wrote:

[]

Post by lar3ryca
The problem is that I am quite often where my reading glasses aren't. I
have about 5 or 6 pair, and often leave them somewhere I don't recall.

I have a friend who had quite bad eysight and needed heavy glasses; he had
surgery and no longer needs to wear glasses all the time, but has exactly
your problem - not being able to find the reading glasses he requires.
I'll stick with my condition - always wearing glasses, but I can take them
off for close-up work. Even then I don't always recall where I put them!

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
I have a friend who had quite bad eysight and needed heavy glasses; he had
surgery and no longer needs to wear glasses all the time, but has exactly
your problem - not being able to find the reading glasses he requires.
I'll stick with my condition - always wearing glasses, but I can take them
off for close-up work. Even then I don't always recall where I put them!

For me it wasn't much of a choice. I couldn't read the subtitles on the
tv any more. I thought that it was a condition that I had to live with.
That's one reason that it was so wonderful to get the operation.

[Chris Elvidge]

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Peter Moylan
One of my brothers didn't reach that point until well into third grade.
The teachers reacted to his poor progress in school by putting him right
at the back of the classroom, from which he couldn't even see the
blackboard, let alone what was written on it.
By the time the problem was detected, he was so far behind in his
learning that he never recovered.

I must have been lucky then. Once while we were driving in our car - I
was about 14 years old - my mother noticed that the hind wheels of a
lorry (with three shafts) didn't touch the ground, so she concluded that
it carried no load. But I couldn't see that the wheels didn't touch, and
I couldn't see the pattern on the tyres. My parents then sent me to an
optician. My myopia was only -1 then.
I subsequently wore glasses for the next 56 years, and one of the best
things that ever happened to me, was my operation for cataract after
which I only need glasses for reading.

I did not need glasses until about 2007.
I had cataract surgery about five years ago, and the first thing I
noticed was that the snow became white again, instead of rather putrid
shade of yellow. It surprised me, as I had not noticed the yellowing before.

Don't eat the yellow snow.

Post by lar3ryca
It was wonderful to not require glasses for distance, but it brought up
another problem. I use bifocals with photogrey coating, and usually wear
them when outside in the sun, or when driving at night or in cloudy
conditions.
For computer use, I have prescription glasses with a blue-blocker
coating, and for everything else close up, I use reading glasses.
The problem is that I am quite often where my reading glasses aren't. I
have about 5 or 6 pair, and often leave them somewhere I don't recall.

[jerryfriedman]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Peter Moylan
One of my brothers didn't reach that point until well into third grade.
The teachers reacted to his poor progress in school by putting him right
at the back of the classroom, from which he couldn't even see the
blackboard, let alone what was written on it.
By the time the problem was detected, he was so far behind in his
learning that he never recovered.

I must have been lucky then. Once while we were driving in our car - I
was about 14 years old - my mother noticed that the hind wheels of a
lorry (with three shafts) didn't touch the ground, so she concluded that
it carried no load.

..

(In my English, "hind" is for animals. Those were the rear
sheels. And I think you mean it had three axles.)

My parents took my brother and sister and me to the "eye
doctor" every few years.

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I subsequently wore glasses for the next 56 years, and one of the best
things that ever happened to me, was my operation for cataract after
which I only need glasses for reading.

(Move the comma from after "me" to after "cataract".)

--
Jerry Friedman

[Aidan Kehoe]

Post by jerryfriedman

[...] I must have been lucky then. Once while we were driving in our car -
I was about 14 years old - my mother noticed that the hind wheels of a
lorry (with three shafts) didn't touch the ground, so she concluded that
it carried no load.

..
(In my English, "hind" is for animals. Those were the rear
sheels. And I think you mean it had three axles.)

Something learned, “hind wheels” read fine to me, but Google Books gives me
nothing recent, it seems to be something generally dated that was fine when and
where I grew up. I agree, “axle” is a better word than “shaft” for this, though
shaft is understandable.

Post by jerryfriedman
My parents took my brother and sister and me to the "eye
doctor" every few years.

A full opthalmologist? Not an optometrist?

Post by jerryfriedman

I subsequently wore glasses for the next 56 years, and one of the best
things that ever happened to me, was my operation for cataract after
which I only need glasses for reading.

(Move the comma from after "me" to after "cataract".)

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Aidan Kehoe
Something learned, “hind wheels” read fine to me, but Google Books gives me
nothing recent, it seems to be something generally dated that was fine when and
where I grew up. I agree, “axle” is a better word than “shaft” for this, though
shaft is understandable.

I looked up "axel" (spelled like that) and when the dictionary didn't
know the word (except as a name), I had to find another word ...

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Aidan Kehoe
Something learned, “hind wheels” read fine to me, but Google Books
gives me nothing recent, it seems to be something generally dated
that was fine when and where I grew up. I agree, “axle” is a better
word than “shaft” for this, though shaft is understandable.

I looked up "axel" (spelled like that) and when the dictionary
didn't know the word (except as a name), I had to find another word
...

"Axel" does have a meaning for those who do competitive skating. For
everyone else, including me, the meaning is not worth memorising.

[Garrett Wollman]

Post by Peter Moylan
"Axel" does have a meaning for those who do competitive skating. For
everyone else, including me, the meaning is not worth memorising.

It's kind of a weird case, because normally in sports, eponyms use
family names, not given names.[1] The Axel is named after Norwegian
skater Axel Paulsen; of the other jump types, only Lutz and Salchow
are eponymous, both surnames.[2] In gymnastics, which has a more
liberal criterion for naming, there are consequently many more
eponymous elements, but they're all (AFAIK) surnames. Diving
officially doesn't name dives any more, they're given systematic
numbers. (I can't think of any other sports with eponymous elements;
maybe the various martial arts?)

-GAWollman

[1] There is a move called a Bauer which is apparently officially an
"Ina Bauer".

[2] The origin of the name "Euler" for what used to be called a
half-loop is unclear, according to Wikipedia. The name was apparently
introduced to simplify the written notation, because the ISU still has
yet to learn about ISO/IEC 10646:1993.

[lar3ryca]

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Peter Moylan
"Axel" does have a meaning for those who do competitive skating. For
everyone else, including me, the meaning is not worth memorising.

It's kind of a weird case, because normally in sports, eponyms use
family names, not given names.[1] The Axel is named after Norwegian
skater Axel Paulsen; of the other jump types, only Lutz and Salchow

Interesting. I have heard the word "Salchow" spoken, but never written.
I never had the need to write it, but if I had, I would probably have
spelled it "Sowcow" (with both syllables rhyming with 'cow').

Post by Garrett Wollman
are eponymous, both surnames.[2] In gymnastics, which has a more
liberal criterion for naming, there are consequently many more
eponymous elements, but they're all (AFAIK) surnames. Diving
officially doesn't name dives any more, they're given systematic
numbers. (I can't think of any other sports with eponymous elements;
maybe the various martial arts?)
-GAWollman
[1] There is a move called a Bauer which is apparently officially an
"Ina Bauer".
[2] The origin of the name "Euler" for what used to be called a
half-loop is unclear, according to Wikipedia. The name was apparently
introduced to simplify the written notation, because the ISU still has
yet to learn about ISO/IEC 10646:1993.

[jerryfriedman]

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Peter Moylan
"Axel" does have a meaning for those who do competitive skating. For
everyone else, including me, the meaning is not worth memorising.

It's kind of a weird case, because normally in sports, eponyms use
family names, not given names.[1] The Axel is named after Norwegian
skater Axel Paulsen; of the other jump types, only Lutz and Salchow
are eponymous, both surnames.[2] In gymnastics, which has a more
liberal criterion for naming, there are consequently many more
eponymous elements, but they're all (AFAIK) surnames. Diving
officially doesn't name dives any more, they're given systematic
numbers. (I can't think of any other sports with eponymous elements;
maybe the various martial arts?)

..

You might like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_terms_named_after_people

The Gordie Howe hat trick was recently mentioned here,
I think.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Tony Cooper]

Post by jerryfriedman

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Peter Moylan
"Axel" does have a meaning for those who do competitive skating. For
everyone else, including me, the meaning is not worth memorising.

It's kind of a weird case, because normally in sports, eponyms use
family names, not given names.[1] The Axel is named after Norwegian
skater Axel Paulsen; of the other jump types, only Lutz and Salchow
are eponymous, both surnames.[2] In gymnastics, which has a more
liberal criterion for naming, there are consequently many more
eponymous elements, but they're all (AFAIK) surnames. Diving
officially doesn't name dives any more, they're given systematic
numbers. (I can't think of any other sports with eponymous elements;
maybe the various martial arts?)

..
You might like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_terms_named_after_people
The Gordie Howe hat trick was recently mentioned here,
I think.

There's a (American) football play named after the mother of Jesus:
the Hail Mary Pass.

[Rich Ulrich]

Post by jerryfriedman

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Peter Moylan
"Axel" does have a meaning for those who do competitive skating. For
everyone else, including me, the meaning is not worth memorising.

It's kind of a weird case, because normally in sports, eponyms use
family names, not given names.[1] The Axel is named after Norwegian
skater Axel Paulsen; of the other jump types, only Lutz and Salchow
are eponymous, both surnames.[2] In gymnastics, which has a more
liberal criterion for naming, there are consequently many more
eponymous elements, but they're all (AFAIK) surnames. Diving
officially doesn't name dives any more, they're given systematic
numbers. (I can't think of any other sports with eponymous elements;
maybe the various martial arts?)

..
You might like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_terms_named_after_people
The Gordie Howe hat trick was recently mentioned here,
I think.

Okay, that one was entertaining.

Those gymnasts are unmatched in honoring each other, except
by the list for the other kind of gymnast.

I thought there might be names for skiing, snowboarding,
or surfing, but I didn't notice any.

I recgnized the Mendoza line, from baseball, which the article
listed but did not define. Batting average, .200; worse, you
are not likely to stay in the majors.

[lar3ryca]

Post by jerryfriedman

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Peter Moylan
"Axel" does have a meaning for those who do competitive skating. For
everyone else, including me, the meaning is not worth memorising.

It's kind of a weird case, because normally in sports, eponyms use
family names, not given names.[1]  The Axel is named after Norwegian
skater Axel Paulsen; of the other jump types, only Lutz and Salchow
are eponymous, both surnames.[2]  In gymnastics, which has a more
liberal criterion for naming, there are consequently many more
eponymous elements, but they're all (AFAIK) surnames.  Diving
officially doesn't name dives any more, they're given systematic
numbers.  (I can't think of any other sports with eponymous elements;
maybe the various martial arts?)

..
You might like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_terms_named_after_people
The Gordie Howe hat trick was recently mentioned here,
I think.

I think it was in the last year or two that I heard the name of a hockey
maneuver called a "Michigan". A player behind the goal picks the puck up
with his stick, so that it lies on the tip of the blade. He then comes
around to the side of the net, and flips the puck into the goal.

You can read about it, including the reason for the name, at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_goal

and see an example at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_goal

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by lar3ryca
and see an example at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_goal

Try this instead:

Click the wheel and set the speed to 0.25.

[jerryfriedman]

..

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by jerryfriedman
My parents took my brother and sister and me to the "eye
doctor" every few years.

A full opthalmologist? Not an optometrist?

..

All I can tell you is that we called him Dr. Eigner. I
liked the initial "eye" sound in his name.

There's a Doctor of Optometry degree in the U.S.

OK, the other thing I can tell you is that my mother
took me to him the first time I had a scintillating
scotoma, though the headache I had afterwards probably
made her pretty sure I didn't have a vision problem.
(That was the first of two migraine headaches I've
had. Two isn't a bad number.)

--
Jerry Friedman

[Aidan Kehoe]

Post by jerryfriedman
..

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by jerryfriedman
My parents took my brother and sister and me to the "eye
doctor" every few years.

A full opthalmologist? Not an optometrist?

..
All I can tell you is that we called him Dr. Eigner. I
liked the initial "eye" sound in his name.
There's a Doctor of Optometry degree in the U.S.

Huh:

“In the United States and Canada, optometrists are those that hold a Doctor of
Optometry degree. They are trained and licensed to practice medicine for eye
related conditions, in addition to providing refractive (optical) eye care.
Within their scope of practice, optometrists are considered physicians and bill
medical insurance(s) (example: Medicare) accordingly.”

Seems all very sensible, I’d be happier with an optometrist making prescribing
decisions for me regarding, say, glaucoma than I would with e.g. another GP.
The dynamic in this part of the world is that the ophthalmologist does the
initial prescribing and I renew the prescriptions, the optometrist can’t
prescribe.

Post by jerryfriedman
OK, the other thing I can tell you is that my mother took me to him the
first time I had a scintillating scotoma, though the headache I had
afterwards probably made her pretty sure I didn't have a vision problem.
(That was the first of two migraine headaches I've had. Two isn't a bad
number.)

Dr Glaucomflecken is a TikTok star and ophthalmologist, and he describes
himself as an “eye dentist.” I’m glad you got an appropriate
non-ophthalmological diagnosis, which is not guaranteed from eye specialists,
and I’m glad your burden of disease from migraines is fairly limited.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by jerryfriedman
OK, the other thing I can tell you is that my mother
took me to him the first time I had a scintillating
scotoma, though the headache I had afterwards probably
made her pretty sure I didn't have a vision problem.
(That was the first of two migraine headaches I've
had. Two isn't a bad number.)

I have an eye disturbance that resembles the description of
scintillating scotoma on Wikipedia. It appears once in a while. I would
describe it as a pixelated crescent. There's no pain involved, and it
disappears after maybe 10 minutes (growing from a spot to the height of
the eye). I didn't have it as a boy or a young man. I think I was past
50 before it began.

We discussed this once in the Danish language group. It turned out that
several of the participants had the phenomenon.

[Aidan Kehoe]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by jerryfriedman
OK, the other thing I can tell you is that my mother
took me to him the first time I had a scintillating
scotoma, though the headache I had afterwards probably
made her pretty sure I didn't have a vision problem.
(That was the first of two migraine headaches I've
had. Two isn't a bad number.)

I have an eye disturbance that resembles the description of
scintillating scotoma on Wikipedia. It appears once in a while. I would
describe it as a pixelated crescent. There's no pain involved, and it
disappears after maybe 10 minutes (growing from a spot to the height of
the eye). I didn't have it as a boy or a young man. I think I was past
50 before it began.

If there’s no associated headache the likelihood of it being a migraine is
reduced but not zero. It is unusual to develop migraines for the first time in
your fifties. I would suggest discussing this at your next doctor’s
appointment.

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
We discussed this once in the Danish language group. It turned out that
several of the participants had the phenomenon.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by jerryfriedman
OK, the other thing I can tell you is that my mother took me to him
the first time I had a scintillating scotoma, though the headache I
had afterwards probably made her pretty sure I didn't have a vision
problem. (That was the first of two migraine headaches I've had.
Two isn't a bad number.)

I have an eye disturbance that resembles the description of
scintillating scotoma on Wikipedia. It appears once in a while. I
would describe it as a pixelated crescent. There's no pain involved,
and it disappears after maybe 10 minutes (growing from a spot to the
height of the eye). I didn't have it as a boy or a young man. I think
I was past 50 before it began.
We discussed this once in the Danish language group. It turned out
that several of the participants had the phenomenon.

It's not uncommon, apparently. Mine has the appearance of part of the
blade of a circular saw. At its peak I find it hard to read, and I just
have to wait until it expands beyond the edge of my visual field.

[Steve Hayes]

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:51:15 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by jerryfriedman
OK, the other thing I can tell you is that my mother
took me to him the first time I had a scintillating
scotoma, though the headache I had afterwards probably
made her pretty sure I didn't have a vision problem.
(That was the first of two migraine headaches I've
had. Two isn't a bad number.)

I have an eye disturbance that resembles the description of
scintillating scotoma on Wikipedia. It appears once in a while. I would
describe it as a pixelated crescent. There's no pain involved, and it
disappears after maybe 10 minutes (growing from a spot to the height of
the eye). I didn't have it as a boy or a young man. I think I was past
50 before it began.

I've seen it called a "migraine".

I used to think that a migraine was a kind of headache, but it seems
to refer to that too.

I started to get them when I began taking pills to lower blood sugar
levels.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I have an eye disturbance that resembles the description of
scintillating scotoma on Wikipedia. It appears once in a while. I would
describe it as a pixelated crescent. There's no pain involved, and it
disappears after maybe 10 minutes (growing from a spot to the height of
the eye). I didn't have it as a boy or a young man. I think I was past
50 before it began.

I've seen it called a "migraine".

That was also our conclusion in the Danish group after we looked up in
Wikipedia and some encyclopedias.

[Aidan Kehoe]

Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:51:15 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by jerryfriedman
OK, the other thing I can tell you is that my mother
took me to him the first time I had a scintillating
scotoma, though the headache I had afterwards probably
made her pretty sure I didn't have a vision problem.
(That was the first of two migraine headaches I've
had. Two isn't a bad number.)

I have an eye disturbance that resembles the description of
scintillating scotoma on Wikipedia. It appears once in a while. I would
describe it as a pixelated crescent. There's no pain involved, and it
disappears after maybe 10 minutes (growing from a spot to the height of
the eye). I didn't have it as a boy or a young man. I think I was past
50 before it began.

I've seen it called a "migraine".

It is the aura of classical migraine. Not all migraine has aura, but if these
vision changes happen and there is a subsequent headache, that is diagnostic of
migraine.

Post by Steve Hayes
I used to think that a migraine was a kind of headache, but it seems
to refer to that too.
I started to get them when I began taking pills to lower blood sugar
levels.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:51:15 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by jerryfriedman
OK, the other thing I can tell you is that my mother
took me to him the first time I had a scintillating
scotoma, though the headache I had afterwards probably
made her pretty sure I didn't have a vision problem.
(That was the first of two migraine headaches I've
had. Two isn't a bad number.)

I have an eye disturbance that resembles the description of
scintillating scotoma on Wikipedia. It appears once in a while. I would
describe it as a pixelated crescent. There's no pain involved, and it
disappears after maybe 10 minutes (growing from a spot to the height of
the eye). I didn't have it as a boy or a young man. I think I was past
50 before it began.

I've seen it called a "migraine".

It is the aura of classical migraine. Not all migraine has aura, but if these
vision changes happen and there is a subsequent headache, that is diagnostic of
migraine.

That's the sort of migraine I have had -- three times in three years in
my teens, once in the 1970s after working on a problem that required
much intellectual effort, and once in the past 30 years. For the last I
found that taking a maximum dose of aspirin as soon as the vision
problems appeared stopped the headache from following.

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by Steve Hayes
I used to think that a migraine was a kind of headache, but it seems
to refer to that too.
I started to get them when I began taking pills to lower blood sugar
levels.

[Snidely]

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:51:15 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by jerryfriedman
OK, the other thing I can tell you is that my mother
took me to him the first time I had a scintillating
scotoma, though the headache I had afterwards probably
made her pretty sure I didn't have a vision problem.
(That was the first of two migraine headaches I've
had. Two isn't a bad number.)

I have an eye disturbance that resembles the description of
scintillating scotoma on Wikipedia. It appears once in a while. I would
describe it as a pixelated crescent. There's no pain involved, and it
disappears after maybe 10 minutes (growing from a spot to the height of
the eye). I didn't have it as a boy or a young man. I think I was past
50 before it began.

I've seen it called a "migraine".

It is the aura of classical migraine. Not all migraine has aura, but if these
vision changes happen and there is a subsequent headache, that is diagnostic of
migraine.

That's the sort of migraine I have had -- three times in three years in my
teens, once in the 1970s after working on a problem that required much
intellectual effort, and once in the past 30 years. For the last I found that
taking a maximum dose of aspirin as soon as the vision problems appeared
stopped the headache from following.

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by Steve Hayes
I used to think that a migraine was a kind of headache, but it seems
to refer to that too.
I started to get them when I began taking pills to lower blood sugar
levels.

May be useful for some, includes a description of what may be the
source of the pain as well as what starts the episode:

<URL:https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/10/studies-of-migraines-many-triggers-offer-paths-to-new-therapies/>

/dps

[Snidely]

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:51:15 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by jerryfriedman
OK, the other thing I can tell you is that my mother
took me to him the first time I had a scintillating
scotoma, though the headache I had afterwards probably
made her pretty sure I didn't have a vision problem.
(That was the first of two migraine headaches I've
had. Two isn't a bad number.)

I have an eye disturbance that resembles the description of
scintillating scotoma on Wikipedia. It appears once in a while. I

would

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
describe it as a pixelated crescent. There's no pain involved, and it
disappears after maybe 10 minutes (growing from a spot to the height

of

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
the eye). I didn't have it as a boy or a young man. I think I was past
50 before it began.

I've seen it called a "migraine".

It is the aura of classical migraine. Not all migraine has aura, but if these
vision changes happen and there is a subsequent headache, that is diagnostic of
migraine.

That's the sort of migraine I have had -- three times in three years in my
teens, once in the 1970s after working on a problem that required much
intellectual effort, and once in the past 30 years. For the last I found
that taking a maximum dose of aspirin as soon as the vision problems
appeared stopped the headache from following.

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by Steve Hayes
I used to think that a migraine was a kind of headache, but it seems
to refer to that too.
I started to get them when I began taking pills to lower blood sugar
levels.

May be useful for some, includes a description of what may be the source of
<URL:https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/10/studies-of-migraines-many-triggers-offer-paths-to-new-therapies/>
/dps

The followup paper on Porphyrion is up to 13 authors. But Athel is
probably aware of bio papers with much longer lists.

/dps

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Snidely

Post by Snidely

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:51:15 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by jerryfriedman
OK, the other thing I can tell you is that my mother
took me to him the first time I had a scintillating
scotoma, though the headache I had afterwards probably
made her pretty sure I didn't have a vision problem.
(That was the first of two migraine headaches I've
had. Two isn't a bad number.)

I have an eye disturbance that resembles the description of
scintillating scotoma on Wikipedia. It appears once in a while. I

would

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
describe it as a pixelated crescent. There's no pain involved, and it
disappears after maybe 10 minutes (growing from a spot to the height

of

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
the eye). I didn't have it as a boy or a young man. I think I was past
50 before it began.

I've seen it called a "migraine".

It is the aura of classical migraine. Not all migraine has aura, but if these
vision changes happen and there is a subsequent headache, that is diagnostic of
migraine.

That's the sort of migraine I have had -- three times in three years in
my teens, once in the 1970s after working on a problem that required
much intellectual effort, and once in the past 30 years. For the last I
found that taking a maximum dose of aspirin as soon as the vision
problems appeared stopped the headache from following.

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by Steve Hayes
I used to think that a migraine was a kind of headache, but it seems
to refer to that too.
I started to get them when I began taking pills to lower blood sugar
levels.

May be useful for some, includes a description of what may be the
<URL:https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/10/studies-of-migraines-many-triggers-offer-paths-to-new-therapies/>
/dps

The followup paper on Porphyrion is up to 13 authors. But Athel is
probably aware of bio papers with much longer lists.

Well yes, I am, but physics has us beaten: ATLAS papers from CERN
typically have more than 3000 authors, listed in alphabetical order, so
if your name is Aad you have a built-in advantage. (One of the ATLAS
authors is/was indeed called Aad, associated with Aix-Marseille
University, though I didn't know him.) The longest author list that I
am on (Bioinformatics 19 (4), 524-531 (2003)) has 44 authors, but that
is a far outlier for me.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

This picture might help:

https://www.kroger.com/product/images/large/front/0001230084391

Just remember that it is the opposite.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

https://www.kroger.com/product/images/large/front/0001230084391
Just remember that it is the opposite.

Ah, yes, the only cigarette with a picture of the factory on the packet.

[lar3ryca]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph.  Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

Well, they are the same genus; camelus, so it's not a mortal taxonomic
sin to call them both camels.

I used to have trouble remembering which was which, until I saw this:
https://palindromedary.us/

[occam]

Post by lar3ryca
Well, they are the same genus; camelus, so it's not a mortal taxonomic
sin to call them both camels.
https://palindromedary.us/
-- 
All odd numbers contain the letter "e".

Here is another mnemonic, following on from your latest .sig (above):

- Dromedary (has an 'e')
- Bactrian (no 'e')

[I'm not sure if your .sig was intentional or a coincidence, but its
appearance is oddly fortuitous.]

[lar3ryca]

Post by occam

Post by lar3ryca
Well, they are the same genus; camelus, so it's not a mortal taxonomic
sin to call them both camels.
https://palindromedary.us/
--
All odd numbers contain the letter "e".

- Dromedary (has an 'e')
- Bactrian (no 'e')
[I'm not sure if your .sig was intentional or a coincidence, but its
appearance is oddly fortuitous.]

That was purely accidental, generated by my 'fortune' program from a
file. There are times when I copy one from my sigs file to suit the
subject, but not only was this one accidental, but it took me a couple
of beats to figure out what you meant.

"/usr/share/games/fortunes/sigs.dat" created
There were 316 strings
Longest string: 188 bytes
Shortest string: 16 bytes

[J. J. Lodder]

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

Well, they are the same genus; camelus, so it's not a mortal taxonomic
sin to call them both camels.

Not a great excuse. For example, lions and tigers are both Pantherae.
No native speaker of English could get away with calling a lion a tiger.
(or worse, a panther)

Post by lar3ryca
https://palindromedary.us/

The advantage of having been taught it right from the start is not
needing any mnemonics.
If any mnemonic was needed it would be that the English
(with their cigarettes) always get it wrong,

Jan

[Janet]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels?

Yes


I was quite surprised to learn that in

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

In school we were taught that the first letter is a
clue. D (romedary) has one hump. B (actrian) has two.


Janet

[Brian]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

B for Bactrian and D for Dromedary.
Rotate the capitals 90 degrees anticlockwise and count the humps.

--brian

[Snidely]

Post by Brian

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

B for Bactrian and D for Dromedary.
Rotate the capitals 90 degrees anticlockwise and count the humps.
--brian

This thread may not be the first time I had such advice, but if it
sticks this time ... YRDLSH.


/dps

[lar3ryca]

Post by Brian

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

B for Bactrian and D for Dromedary.
Rotate the capitals 90 degrees anticlockwise and count the humps.

Just remember to rotate them counter-clockwise, not clockwise, unless,
of course, you don't care about the species, and are observing the south
end of a northbound one to determine its sex.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

The one l lama, he's the priest
The two l llama, he's the beast
And I would bet my silk pajama
There isn't any three l lllama.

(Odgen Nash?)

[Ken Blake]

On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 05:04:05 +0200, Steve Hayes

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

The one l lama, he's the priest
The two l llama, he's the beast
And I would bet my silk pajama
There isn't any three l lllama.
(Odgen Nash?)

Yes, Ogden Nash. But he missed a fire that's a three-alarmer.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Ken Blake
On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 05:04:05 +0200, Steve Hayes

Post by Steve Hayes
The one l lama, he's the priest
The two l llama, he's the beast
And I would bet my silk pajama
There isn't any three l lllama.
(Odgen Nash?)

Yes, Ogden Nash. But he missed a fire that's a three-alarmer.

+1

[lar3ryca]

Post by Ken Blake
On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 05:04:05 +0200, Steve Hayes

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

The one l lama, he's the priest
The two l llama, he's the beast
And I would bet my silk pajama
There isn't any three l lllama.
(Odgen Nash?)

Yes, Ogden Nash. But he missed a fire that's a three-alarmer.

Not at all surprising. Being an American, he would never think of
rhyming alarmer with the other two.

[jerryfriedman]

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Ken Blake
On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 05:04:05 +0200, Steve Hayes

..

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Steve Hayes
The one l lama, he's the priest
The two l llama, he's the beast
And I would bet my silk pajama
There isn't any three l lllama.
(Odgen Nash?)

Yes, Ogden Nash. But he missed a fire that's a three-alarmer.

Not at all surprising. Being an American, he would never think of
rhyming alarmer with the other two.

Non-rhoticism was a lot more common in American in
those days. For instance, Nash wrote,

There is something they put in a highball
Which you’ll notice one day, if you watch;
And it may be the soda,
But judged by the odor,
I rather believe it’s the Scotch.

https://allpoetry.com/poem/11586611-A-Drink-With-Something-In-It--Complete-poem--by-Ogden-Nash

--
Jerry Friedman

[lar3ryca]

Post by jerryfriedman
Non-rhoticism was a lot more common in American in
those days. For instance, [Ogden] Nash wrote,

Still common in New York and Rhode Island, two places Nash is known to
have lived and worked.

Not to mention Boston.

Real Estate agent: You'll find that this is a house without a flaw.
Customer: Whatevah do they walk on?

[Snidely]

Post by Ken Blake
On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 05:04:05 +0200, Steve Hayes

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

The one l lama, he's the priest
The two l llama, he's the beast
And I would bet my silk pajama
There isn't any three l lllama.
(Odgen Nash?)

Yes, Ogden Nash. But he missed a fire that's a three-alarmer.

Not at all surprising. Being an American, he would never think of rhyming
alarmer with the other two.

I'm pretty sure I've seen Nash output that had some pretty bizarre
rhymes .. both sounds not normally matched and spellings not normally
seane.

From the top of one of his examples:

Once upon a time there was an Italian,
And some people thought he was a rapscallion,
But he wasn't offended,
Because other people thought he was splendid,
And he said the world was round,
And everybody made an uncomplimentary sound,
But he went and tried to borrow some money from Ferdinand
But Ferdinand said America was a bird in the bush and he'd rather have
a berdinand,
But Columbus' brain was fertile, it wasn't arid,
And he remembered that Ferdinand was married,

(if you can't find your bound volume, this was cribbed from
<URL:https://allpoetry.com/poem/8496639-Columbus-by-Ogden-Nash>)

/dps

[lar3ryca]

Post by Snidely

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Ken Blake
On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 05:04:05 +0200, Steve Hayes

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph.  Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels? I was quite surprised to learn that in
French a "dromadaire" is not a "chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I
thought that might be a bit of pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me
that it's the same in ordinary usage.

I don't distinguish them, and I even have trouble remembering which is
which.

The one l lama, he's the priest
The two l llama, he's the beast
And I would bet my silk pajama
There isn't any three l lllama.
(Odgen Nash?)

Yes, Ogden Nash. But he missed a fire that's a three-alarmer.

Not at all surprising. Being an American, he would never think of
rhyming alarmer with the other two.

I'm pretty sure I've seen Nash output that had some pretty bizarre
rhymes .. both sounds not normally matched and spellings not normally
seane.
Once upon a time there was an Italian,
And some people thought he was a rapscallion,
But he wasn't offended,
Because other people thought he was splendid,
And he said the world was round,
And everybody made an uncomplimentary sound,
But he went and tried to borrow some money from Ferdinand
But Ferdinand said America was a bird in the bush and he'd rather have a
berdinand,
But Columbus' brain was fertile, it wasn't arid,
And he remembered that Ferdinand was married,
(if you can't find your bound volume, this was cribbed from
<URL:https://allpoetry.com/poem/8496639-Columbus-by-Ogden-Nash>)

Thanks for that link. Nash is one of my favourite poets.

Speaking of Columbus..

In fourteen hundred ninety-two a sailor from Italy,
He walked the dirty streets of Spain and shat in every alley.
At that time reigned a fair young queen of Spain, named Isabella,
Who cast an amoroshus glance at Chris, the smart young fella.
He knew the world was round-o.
His balls did touch the ground-o.
That syphilitic, hypocritic, son-of-a-bitch Columbo.

Full song lyrics at
<https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=he+knew+the+world+was+round-o&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&as_filetype=&tbs=#wptab=si:ACC90nzcg09uT9dLCxMVYtMO0-0pjgQ_JR12fuxEIIyv63Ip94qTV1AYapsQRC_0ZtNEAZpu8ryDxSKxKZ6wA5PIyAhIGDvCVAO5AYE-G9vTjwLgz61GBsPzIb69RKUDeNEuA2gnaMA5GVU8OlIw2lq7ENf0DgtlTtGOSPEV9gdFobBaQfJSVmE%3D>

[Steve Hayes]

Post by lar3ryca
Speaking of Columbus..
In fourteen hundred ninety-two a sailor from Italy,
He walked the dirty streets of Spain and shat in every alley.
At that time reigned a fair young queen of Spain, named Isabella,
Who cast an amoroshus glance at Chris, the smart young fella.
He knew the world was round-o.
His balls did touch the ground-o.
That syphilitic, hypocritic, son-of-a-bitch Columbo.

In fourteen ninety-two, just to see what he could see
Columbus, an Italian, looked out across the sea
He said, "Isabella, babe, the world is round
And the USA's just a-waiting to be found."

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Steve Hayes
In fourteen ninety-two, just to see what he could see
Columbus, an Italian, looked out across the sea
He said, "Isabella, babe, the world is round
And the USA's just a-waiting to be found."

It was a well-established fact at the time - and long before - that the
world is round.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

In fourteen ninety-two, just to see what he could see Columbus, an
Italian, looked out across the sea He said, "Isabella, babe, the
world is round And the USA's just a-waiting to be found."

It was a well-established fact at the time - and long before - that
the world is round.

I suspect that Steve and Larry both knew that.

Columbus knew that the world was round, but his estimate of the
circumference was out of line with the accepted figures at the time. His
expedition would have starved long before reaching India. It was pure
luck that an unexpected land mass interrupted the trip.

(And he didn't even notice that the Indians he met didn't speak Hindi.)

[Silvano]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

In fourteen ninety-two, just to see what he could see Columbus, an
Italian, looked out across the sea He said, "Isabella, babe, the
world is round And the USA's just a-waiting to be found."

It was a well-established fact at the time - and long before - that
the world is round.

I suspect that Steve and Larry both knew that.
Columbus knew that the world was round, but his estimate of the
circumference was out of line with the accepted figures at the time. His
expedition would have starved long before reaching India. It was pure
luck that an unexpected land mass interrupted the trip.
(And he didn't even notice that the Indians he met didn't speak Hindi.)

Apart from the fact that Columbus did not take any Hindi interpreters
with him, among other reasons because that language was just developing
at his time (see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi>), even today well
over 100,000,000 Indians do not speak Hindi, especially in the southern
coastal areas most likely to be reached by ship: Tamil, Telugu,
Malayalam, Kannada etc.
See also the map here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India>

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Silvano

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

In fourteen ninety-two, just to see what he could see Columbus, an
Italian, looked out across the sea He said, "Isabella, babe, the
world is round And the USA's just a-waiting to be found."

It was a well-established fact at the time - and long before - that
the world is round.

I suspect that Steve and Larry both knew that.
Columbus knew that the world was round, but his estimate of the
circumference was out of line with the accepted figures at the time. His
expedition would have starved long before reaching India. It was pure
luck that an unexpected land mass interrupted the trip.
(And he didn't even notice that the Indians he met didn't speak Hindi.)

Apart from the fact that Columbus did not take any Hindi interpreters
with him, among other reasons because that language was just developing
at his time (see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi>), even today well
over 100,000,000 Indians do not speak Hindi, especially in the southern
coastal areas most likely to be reached by ship: Tamil, Telugu,
Malayalam, Kannada etc.
See also the map here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India>

My wife and I, and our daughter, then 18, went for a couple of weeks to
Bangalore (Kannada-speaking) in 2001 (well before the 11th September,
fortunately). One night we were taken out to dinner by a group of about
eight students. We communicated in English, of course, but I asked them
what language they would be using if we had not been there. English,
they said, it's the only one we all understand and speak.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
My wife and I, and our daughter, then 18, went for a couple of weeks
to Bangalore (Kannada-speaking) in 2001 (well before the 11th
September, fortunately). One night we were taken out to dinner by a
group of about eight students. We communicated in English, of course,
but I asked them what language they would be using if we had not been
there. English, they said, it's the only one we all understand and
speak.

You've reminded me of a story by a one-time AUE regular. Sorry, I've
forgotten who it was, but I think he was talking about a visit to
somewhere in Africa.

A child asked him what language he spoke. "English", he said. "Well,
yes, everyone speaks English, but what language do you speak at home?"

[Chris Elvidge]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Silvano

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

In fourteen ninety-two, just to see what he could see Columbus, an
Italian, looked out across the sea He said, "Isabella, babe, the
world is round And the USA's just a-waiting to be found."

It was a well-established fact at the time - and long before - that
the world is round.

I suspect that Steve and Larry both knew that.
Columbus knew that the world was round, but his estimate of the
circumference was out of line with the accepted figures at the time. His
expedition would have starved long before reaching India. It was pure
luck that an unexpected land mass interrupted the trip.
(And he didn't even notice that the Indians he met didn't speak Hindi.)

Apart from the fact that Columbus did not take any Hindi interpreters
with him, among other reasons because that language was just developing
at his time (see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi>), even today well
over 100,000,000 Indians do not speak Hindi, especially in the southern
coastal areas most likely to be reached by ship: Tamil, Telugu,
Malayalam, Kannada etc.
See also the map here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India>

My wife and I, and our daughter, then 18, went for a couple of weeks to
Bangalore (Kannada-speaking) in 2001 (well before the 11th September,
fortunately). One night we were taken out to dinner by a group of about
eight students. We communicated in English, of course, but I asked them
what language they would be using if we had not been there. English,
they said, it's the only one we all understand and speak.

I got the same answer from a group of Arabs in a pub - one from Iraq,
one from Egypt and the other from Morocco. They said that they didn't
all understand all the other's (spoken) Arabic.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

In fourteen ninety-two, just to see what he could see Columbus, an
Italian, looked out across the sea He said, "Isabella, babe, the
world is round And the USA's just a-waiting to be found."

It was a well-established fact at the time - and long before - that
the world is round.

I suspect that Steve and Larry both knew that.

And I suspect that we also both knew that the USA did not exist until
1776.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 05:33:09 +0200

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by lar3ryca
Speaking of Columbus..
In fourteen hundred ninety-two a sailor from Italy,
He walked the dirty streets of Spain and shat in every alley.
At that time reigned a fair young queen of Spain, named Isabella,
Who cast an amoroshus glance at Chris, the smart young fella.
He knew the world was round-o.
His balls did touch the ground-o.
That syphilitic, hypocritic, son-of-a-bitch Columbo.

In fourteen ninety-two, just to see what he could see
Columbus, an Italian, looked out across the sea
He said, "Isabella, babe, the world is round
And the USA's just a-waiting to be found."

Well he missed then, he only found the Carribean. And he wasn't a very good
administrator of Hispaniola either.

(America from Amerigo Vespucii? nah.)

[jerryfriedman]

On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 14:16:05 +0000, Ken Blake wrote:
..

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Steve Hayes
The one l lama, he's the priest
The two l llama, he's the beast
And I would bet my silk pajama
There isn't any three l lllama.
(Odgen Nash?)

The original text seems to be

The one-l lama,
He's a priest.
The two-l llama,
He's a beast.
And I will bet
A silk pajama
There isn't any
Three-l lllama.

Post by Ken Blake
Yes, Ogden Nash. But he missed a fire that's a three-alarmer.

As Nash himself put it, "Pooh."

--
Jerry Friedman

[Aidan Kehoe]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

Noel.

My late high-school French teacher did hand-made Christmas cards with
drawings of camels and elephants on them, labeled "cam" and "ephant".

Do others agree with me that in English the word "camel" includes both
dromedaries and Bactrian camels?

Yes, I agree, that’s English usage.

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I was quite surprised to learn that in French a "dromadaire" is not a
"chameau" (and similarly in Spanish). I thought that might be a bit of
pedantry, but no: my daughter assures me that it's the same in ordinary
usage.

[jerryfriedman]

Post by Snidely
You get half a calf when you have to halve calves, but you do not get a
rhyme with valve, Ralph. Where'd the L go?

We could ask the one in "calm" and "palm", as it seems to
be coming back from there, at least in the U.S.

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Jerry Friedman