Article about Rhyming Slang

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
two others that they do dare to print:

Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
pronunciation or place names of south-east England. E.g.:

Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick

A strange priority.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.

Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

[Hibou]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
     Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
       Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with
ass)
       Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
       Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.
Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

Like this one?

<Loading Image...&rdt=63890>

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Hibou

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
     Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
       Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
       Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
       Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.
Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

My father (born 1908 in Nova Scotia) used to say "Silly ass" exactly as
one would say "Silly arse". It always sounded odd to me.

[Steve Hayes]

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 10:29:56 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
My father (born 1908 in Nova Scotia) used to say "Silly ass" exactly as
one would say "Silly arse". It always sounded odd to me.

Did he pronounce the first syllable of "plastic" to rhyme with the
first syllable of "plaster"?

I knew someone who did that, and also spoke of Caathlicks going to
Maas.

[Snidely]

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 10:29:56 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
My father (born 1908 in Nova Scotia) used to say "Silly ass" exactly as
one would say "Silly arse". It always sounded odd to me.

Did he pronounce the first syllable of "plastic" to rhyme with the
first syllable of "plaster"?

I do, but I use the cat vowel for both.

Post by Steve Hayes
I knew someone who did that, and also spoke of Caathlicks going to
Maas.

And I use the cat vowel there, too. Well back.

/dps

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 10:29:56 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
My father (born 1908 in Nova Scotia) used to say "Silly ass" exactly as
one would say "Silly arse". It always sounded odd to me.

Did he pronounce the first syllable of "plastic" to rhyme with the
first syllable of "plaster"?

Probably, but I don't remember. Many people (including me) did that
when I were a lad.

Post by Steve Hayes
I knew someone who did that, and also spoke of Caathlicks going to
Maas.

When I were a lad only Roman Catholics said "mass" like that. I've
never heard "Caathlicks".

[charles]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 10:29:56 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
My father (born 1908 in Nova Scotia) used to say "Silly ass" exactly as
one would say "Silly arse". It always sounded odd to me.

Did he pronounce the first syllable of "plastic" to rhyme with the
first syllable of "plaster"?

Probably, but I don't remember. Many people (including me) did that
when I were a lad.

Post by Steve Hayes
I knew someone who did that, and also spoke of Caathlicks going to
Maas.

When I were a lad only Roman Catholics said "mass" like that. I've
never heard "Caathlicks".

you obviously haven't visited Northern Ireland or heard someone from there
like Ian Paisley,

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by charles

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 10:29:56 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
My father (born 1908 in Nova Scotia) used to say "Silly ass" exactly as
one would say "Silly arse". It always sounded odd to me.

Did he pronounce the first syllable of "plastic" to rhyme with the
first syllable of "plaster"?

Probably, but I don't remember. Many people (including me) did that
when I were a lad.

Post by Steve Hayes
I knew someone who did that, and also spoke of Caathlicks going to
Maas.

When I were a lad only Roman Catholics said "mass" like that. I've
never heard "Caathlicks".

you obviously haven't visited Northern Ireland or heard someone from there
like Ian Paisley,

No, I haven't been to Northern Ireland. However, at Oxford I knew a
fanatical protestant from Northern Ireland (the only person I've known
who used "heresy" as an everyday term). I don't remember how he
pronounced "Catholic".

[Chris Elvidge]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by charles

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 10:29:56 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
My father (born 1908 in Nova Scotia) used to say "Silly ass" exactly as
one would say "Silly arse". It always sounded odd to me.

Did he pronounce the first syllable of "plastic" to rhyme with the
first syllable of "plaster"?

Probably, but I don't remember. Many people (including me) did that
when I were a lad.

Post by Steve Hayes
I knew someone who did that, and also spoke of Caathlicks going to
Maas.

When I were a lad only Roman Catholics said "mass" like that. I've
never heard "Caathlicks".

you obviously haven't visited Northern Ireland or heard someone from there
like Ian Paisley,

No, I haven't been to Northern Ireland. However, at Oxford I knew a
fanatical protestant from Northern Ireland (the only person I've known
who used "heresy" as an everyday term). I don't remember how he
pronounced "Catholic".

Left footer?

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by charles

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 10:29:56 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
My father (born 1908 in Nova Scotia) used to say "Silly ass" exactly as
one would say "Silly arse". It always sounded odd to me.

Did he pronounce the first syllable of "plastic" to rhyme with the
first syllable of "plaster"?

Probably, but I don't remember. Many people (including me) did that
when I were a lad.

Post by Steve Hayes
I knew someone who did that, and also spoke of Caathlicks going to
Maas.

When I were a lad only Roman Catholics said "mass" like that. I've
never heard "Caathlicks".

you obviously haven't visited Northern Ireland or heard someone from there
like Ian Paisley,

No, I haven't been to Northern Ireland. However, at Oxford I knew a
fanatical protestant from Northern Ireland (the only person I've known
who used "heresy" as an everyday term). I don't remember how he
pronounced "Catholic".

Thinking more about it, I remember that I knew an even more extreme
protestant. He was Scottish, but not a Wee Free, because he thought the
Wee Frees were too lax. He said that the law and punishments should
follow Leviticus in all respects.

[Adam Funk]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by charles

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 10:29:56 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
My father (born 1908 in Nova Scotia) used to say "Silly ass" exactly as
one would say "Silly arse". It always sounded odd to me.

Did he pronounce the first syllable of "plastic" to rhyme with the
first syllable of "plaster"?

Probably, but I don't remember. Many people (including me) did that
when I were a lad.

Post by Steve Hayes
I knew someone who did that, and also spoke of Caathlicks going to
Maas.

When I were a lad only Roman Catholics said "mass" like that. I've
never heard "Caathlicks".

you obviously haven't visited Northern Ireland or heard someone from there
like Ian Paisley,

No, I haven't been to Northern Ireland. However, at Oxford I knew a
fanatical protestant from Northern Ireland (the only person I've known
who used "heresy" as an everyday term). I don't remember how he
pronounced "Catholic".

Thinking more about it, I remember that I knew an even more extreme
protestant. He was Scottish, but not a Wee Free, because he thought the
Wee Frees were too lax. He said that the law and punishments should
follow Leviticus in all respects.

I hope you told him to check all his clothing labels & throw out
everything with mixed fibers.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by charles

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 10:29:56 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
My father (born 1908 in Nova Scotia) used to say "Silly ass" exactly as
one would say "Silly arse". It always sounded odd to me.

Did he pronounce the first syllable of "plastic" to rhyme with the
first syllable of "plaster"?

Probably, but I don't remember. Many people (including me) did that
when I were a lad.

Post by Steve Hayes
I knew someone who did that, and also spoke of Caathlicks going to
Maas.

When I were a lad only Roman Catholics said "mass" like that. I've
never heard "Caathlicks".

you obviously haven't visited Northern Ireland or heard someone from there
like Ian Paisley,

No, I haven't been to Northern Ireland. However, at Oxford I knew a
fanatical protestant from Northern Ireland (the only person I've known
who used "heresy" as an everyday term). I don't remember how he
pronounced "Catholic".

Thinking more about it, I remember that I knew an even more extreme
protestant. He was Scottish, but not a Wee Free, because he thought the
Wee Frees were too lax. He said that the law and punishments should
follow Leviticus in all respects.

I hope you told him to check all his clothing labels & throw out
everything with mixed fibers.

And check his diet for shellfish.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Hibou

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.
Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.
Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

The north begins at Watford! In France it begins at Valence.

[musika]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.
Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

The north begins at Watford! In France it begins at Valence.

The North has never begun at Watford. "The North begins at the Watford Gap."

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by musika

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.
Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

The north begins at Watford! In France it begins at Valence.

The North has never begun at Watford. "The North begins at the Watford Gap."

If you say so, but I'm sure I've heard my version. Those of us who've
never lived in London or had occasion to drive north from it don't
really care.

Your version is more realistic than mine, but I doubt whether the
person who invented the sentence was aiming for realism.

[occam]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by musika

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.
Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?
url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

The north begins at Watford! In France it begins at Valence.

The North has never begun at Watford. "The North begins at the Watford Gap."

If you say so, but I'm sure I've heard my version.
Those of us who've
never lived in London or had occasion to drive north from it don't
really care.

Those of us who have only lived in London also don't care ... once you
cross the North Circular, you're on your own. <smile>

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by occam

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by musika

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.
Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?
url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

The north begins at Watford! In France it begins at Valence.

The North has never begun at Watford. "The North begins at the Watford Gap."

If you say so, but I'm sure I've heard my version.
Those of us who've
never lived in London or had occasion to drive north from it don't
really care.

Those of us who have only lived in London also don't care ... once you
cross the North Circular, you're on your own. <smile>

Hasn't that boundary shifted to the M25?
That there Lunnon keeps on expanding. (Chelsea used to be a charming
riverside village at one time.)

[Hibou]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by musika

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou
Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

The north begins at Watford! In France it begins at Valence.

The North has never begun at Watford. "The North begins at the Watford Gap."

If you say so, but I'm sure I've heard my version. Those of us who've
never lived in London or had occasion to drive north from it don't
really care.
Your version is more realistic than mine, but I doubt whether the person
who invented the sentence was aiming for realism.

The main thing is, it's all England.

(Scotland is farther north than The North, and indeed has a North of its
own. Quite a lot of North, in fact. From London to Edinburgh is about
400 miles; it's another 300-odd to John O'Groats.)

[occam]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.
Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?
url=Loading Image...&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

The north begins at Watford! In France it begins at Valence.

And in London, France begins south of the Thames. (Maybe that's just a
Londoner's prejudice.)

[Anders D. Nygaard]

Post by occam
And in London, France begins south of the Thames. (Maybe that's just a
Londoner's prejudice.)

In Copenhagen, Asia begins in Malmø.

/Anders, Denmark

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by occam
And in London, France begins south of the Thames. (Maybe that's just a
Londoner's prejudice.)

In Copenhagen, Asia begins in Malmø.

To some Sydneysiders, Here Be Dragons starts just past Hornsby. (A
northern suburb.)

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Peter Moylan
To some Sydneysiders, Here Be Dragons starts just past Hornsby. (A
northern suburb.)

I had to look up "Here Be Dragons" - a funny expression. I couldn't help
laughing at the aggressive advertising that popped up as the first hit.
An online bookstore told me (in Danish) that they had here Be Dragons
for sale.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by occam

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.
Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?
url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

The north begins at Watford! In France it begins at Valence.

And in London, France begins south of the Thames. (Maybe that's just a
Londoner's prejudice.)

Are you talking about Egges and Eyren Mr Caxton?

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
     Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
       Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with
ass)
       Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
       Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

Different people have different opinions about what needs to be blipped.
In the past Stefan has given us plenty of examples of what I would call
silly censorship.
Is there an online map anywhere that shows where in the UK pass rhymes
with arse and where it doesn't?

Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?
url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

And was so unevenly distributed.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou
Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

I did know that the Beatles said "dance" like an American. I haven't
noticed such pronunciation of other a-words from them.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Hibou
Like this one?
<https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Feag4o18ej05y.png&rdt=63890>

Thanks. I didn't realise the the north started so far south.

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I did know that the Beatles said "dance" like an American. I haven't
noticed such pronunciation of other a-words from them.

In Victoria, where I grew up, "dance" and "castle" have the CAT vowel.
In Newcastle, where I now live, "castle" has the ARSE vowel. This is the
one vowel that has defeated my attempt to speak like a local.

Historically, Victoria had a big influx of Irish migrants, and that
would have influenced the pronunciation there. Newcastle, NSW, is
unusual in Australia in not having the typical immigration mix. It did,
however, get a lot of Welsh miners. That was long before I was born, but
the influence has stayed.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Peter Moylan
In Victoria, where I grew up, "dance" and "castle" have the CAT vowel.
In Newcastle, where I now live, "castle" has the ARSE vowel. This is the
one vowel that has defeated my attempt to speak like a local.
Historically, Victoria had a big influx of Irish migrants, and that
would have influenced the pronunciation there. Newcastle, NSW, is
unusual in Australia in not having the typical immigration mix. It did,
however, get a lot of Welsh miners. That was long before I was born, but
the influence has stayed.

If I recall correctly, Geordies spoke of Newcastle-upon-Tyne as
"NEWcussle".

Natives of Newcastle-on-the-Buffalo in KZN, on the other hand, speak
of their town as "NewCAAAsil".

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Peter Moylan
In Victoria, where I grew up, "dance" and "castle" have the CAT vowel.
In Newcastle, where I now live, "castle" has the ARSE vowel. This is the
one vowel that has defeated my attempt to speak like a local.
Historically, Victoria had a big influx of Irish migrants, and that
would have influenced the pronunciation there. Newcastle, NSW, is
unusual in Australia in not having the typical immigration mix. It did,
however, get a lot of Welsh miners. That was long before I was born, but
the influence has stayed.

If I recall correctly, Geordies spoke of Newcastle-upon-Tyne as
"NEWcussle".
Natives of Newcastle-on-the-Buffalo in KZN, on the other hand, speak
of their town as "NewCAAAsil".

How many of us knew where KZN was without looking it up?

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Peter Moylan
In Victoria, where I grew up, "dance" and "castle" have the CAT vowel.
In Newcastle, where I now live, "castle" has the ARSE vowel. This is the
one vowel that has defeated my attempt to speak like a local.
Historically, Victoria had a big influx of Irish migrants, and that
would have influenced the pronunciation there. Newcastle, NSW, is
unusual in Australia in not having the typical immigration mix. It did,
however, get a lot of Welsh miners. That was long before I was born, but
the influence has stayed.

If I recall correctly, Geordies spoke of Newcastle-upon-Tyne as
"NEWcussle".
Natives of Newcastle-on-the-Buffalo in KZN, on the other hand, speak
of their town as "NewCAAAsil".

How many of us knew where KZN was without looking it up?

Please Sir! Me sir - once I remembered who posted that.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Peter Moylan
In Victoria, where I grew up, "dance" and "castle" have the CAT vowel.
In Newcastle, where I now live, "castle" has the ARSE vowel. This is the
one vowel that has defeated my attempt to speak like a local.
Historically, Victoria had a big influx of Irish migrants, and that
would have influenced the pronunciation there. Newcastle, NSW, is
unusual in Australia in not having the typical immigration mix. It did,
however, get a lot of Welsh miners. That was long before I was born, but
the influence has stayed.

If I recall correctly, Geordies spoke of Newcastle-upon-Tyne as
"NEWcussle".
Natives of Newcastle-on-the-Buffalo in KZN, on the other hand, speak
of their town as "NewCAAAsil".

How many of us knew where KZN was without looking it up?

Please Sir! Me sir - once I remembered who posted that.

Well, I thought it was unlikely that it was Kazan, and so I guessed it
was somewhere in South Africa. The unabbreviated name quite familiar to
me, so I should have guessed better.

[Aidan Kehoe]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

[...] Natives of Newcastle-on-the-Buffalo in KZN, on the other hand, speak
of their town as "NewCAAAsil".

How many of us knew where KZN was without looking it up?

I worked out that it was KwaZulu-Natal on reading the posting with the context
that Steve is Seth Efrican, but I needed to check the map just now to know
where in South Africa KwaZulu-Natal is, so half a point? And the hyphen
placement is also something I’ve just learned.

Post by Sam Plusnet
Please Sir! Me sir - once I remembered who posted that.

[jerryfriedman]

..

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Steve Hayes
Natives of Newcastle-on-the-Buffalo in KZN, on the other hand, speak
of their town as "NewCAAAsil".

How many of us knew where KZN was without looking it up?

At least one, once I thought about where Steve is.

--
Jerry Friedman

--

[Brian]

Post by Peter Moylan
In Victoria, where I grew up, "dance" and "castle" have the CAT vowel.
In Newcastle, where I now live, "castle" has the ARSE vowel. This is the
one vowel that has defeated my attempt to speak like a local.

Once, in Melbourne, I was looking for my wife in a very large bookshop
(a Borders).
I couldn't see her, but thought she would be looking at dance books, so
I asked where in the shop they were. The cashier looked puzzled and said
that they didn't have any. It turned out that I had used what PM
delicately refers to as the ARSE vowel, and the shop staff thought I
wanted books on darts.

--brian

[occam]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

There is also Berkshire hunt = c*nt

Oddly enough, people say 'berk' (rather than 'bark') when referring to
people like Trump, even if 'Berkshire' is a better phonetic match with
'bark'.

[Hibou]

Post by occam
Oddly enough, people say 'berk' (rather than 'bark') when referring to
people like Trump, even if 'Berkshire' is a better phonetic match with
'bark'.

Yes, Barking and Berkshire, and Mr Clark the clerk.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by occam

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

There is also Berkshire hunt = c*nt
Oddly enough, people say 'berk'

i.e. like Burke

Post by occam
(rather than 'bark') when referring to
people like Trump, even if 'Berkshire' is a better phonetic match with
'bark'.

[lar3ryca]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by occam

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
    Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
    Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
    Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

There is also Berkshire hunt = c*nt
Oddly enough, people say 'berk'

i.e. like Burke

Post by occam
 (rather than 'bark') when referring to
people like Trump, even if 'Berkshire' is a better phonetic match with
'bark'.

Earlier today I found myself wondering how non-rhotic folks pronounce
'boron' and 'moron'.

[Aidan Kehoe]

[...] Earlier today I found myself wondering how non-rhotic folks pronounce
'boron' and 'moron'.

Hmm? They can manage intervocalic <r> without trouble.

[jerryfriedman]

Post by Steve Hayes

[...] Earlier today I found myself wondering how non-rhotic folks

pronounce

'boron' and 'moron'.

Hmm? They can manage intervocalic <r> without trouble.

According to a Wikipedia article, in the context of Southern
and AAVE pronunciation,

"In a few such accents, intervocalic /r/ is deleted before
an unstressed syllable even within a word if the following
syllable begins with a vowel. In such accents,
pronunciations like [kæəˈlaːnə] for Carolina, or
[bɛːˈʌp] for "bear up" are heard.[50][51]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhoticity_in_English#United_States

I think I've heard that. But it's only a few accents,
and non-rhoticism is generally decreasing among
Southerners and, I think, African Americans.

--
Jerry Friedman

--

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by occam

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
    Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
    Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
    Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

There is also Berkshire hunt = c*nt
Oddly enough, people say 'berk'

i.e. like Burke

Post by occam
 (rather than 'bark') when referring to
people like Trump, even if 'Berkshire' is a better phonetic match with
'bark'.

Earlier today I found myself wondering how non-rhotic folks pronounce
'boron' and 'moron'.

The same way as you, I think. Rhotacism applies to r-consonant, not to r-vowel.

[lar3ryca]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by occam

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
    Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)
    Hamsteads = Hampstead Heath = teeth
    Hampton = Hampton Wick = dick/prick
A strange priority.

There is also Berkshire hunt = c*nt
Oddly enough, people say 'berk'

i.e. like Burke

Post by occam
 (rather than 'bark') when referring to
people like Trump, even if 'Berkshire' is a better phonetic match with
'bark'.

Earlier today I found myself wondering how non-rhotic folks pronounce
'boron' and 'moron'.

The same way as you, I think. Rhotacism applies to r-consonant, not to r-vowel.

Thanks, Athel and Aidan.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by lar3ryca
Earlier today I found myself wondering how non-rhotic folks pronounce
'boron' and 'moron'.

Some supposedly non-rhotic folks manage to pronounce drawing as
"drawring".

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by lar3ryca
Earlier today I found myself wondering how non-rhotic folks pronounce
'boron' and 'moron'.

Some supposedly non-rhotic folks manage to pronounce drawing as
"drawring".

That's not rhotic, because the r is followed by a vowel, so your
"non-rhotic folks" is invalid.

[Aidan Kehoe]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by lar3ryca
Earlier today I found myself wondering how non-rhotic folks pronounce
'boron' and 'moron'.

Some supposedly non-rhotic folks manage to pronounce drawing as
"drawring".

That's not rhotic, because the r is followed by a vowel, so your "non-rhotic
folks" is invalid.

It’s not rhotic because intrusive R is a feature of non-rhotic accents, hah.

I suspect there exist some non-etymological non-spelling Rs in rhotic accents
but I could not come up with any unprompted. Google was no help, but Yandex
https://yandex.ru/search/?text=extra+rs+in+pronunciation+-intrusive&search_source=dzen_desktop_safe&lr=10418
brought up Appalachia,
https://blindpigandtheacorn.com/in-appalachia-we-like-rs/ ; I had been familiar
with warsh for wash, and indeed at home growing up yeller for yellow was to be
heard.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by lar3ryca
Earlier today I found myself wondering how non-rhotic folks pronounce
'boron' and 'moron'.

Some supposedly non-rhotic folks manage to pronounce drawing as
"drawring".

That's not rhotic, because the r is followed by a vowel, so your "non-rhotic
folks" is invalid.

It’s not rhotic because intrusive R is a feature of non-rhotic accents, hah.
I suspect there exist some non-etymological non-spelling Rs in rhotic accents
but I could not come up with any unprompted. Google was no help, but Yandex
https://yandex.ru/search/?text=extra+rs+in+pronunciation+-intrusive&search_source=dzen_desktop_safe&lr=10418
brought up Appalachia,
https://blindpigandtheacorn.com/in-appalachia-we-like-rs/ ; I had been familiar
with warsh for wash, and indeed at home growing up yeller for yellow was to be
heard.

I have heard "Warshington" in TV news. (From people located in Warshington.)

[lar3ryca]

Post by Peter Moylan

  >
  > >
  > >
  > >> Earlier today I found myself wondering how non-rhotic folks
pronounce
  > >> 'boron' and 'moron'.
  > >
  > > Some supposedly non-rhotic folks manage to pronounce drawing as
  > > "drawring".
  >
  > That's not rhotic, because the r is followed by a vowel, so your
"non-rhotic
  > folks" is invalid.
It’s not rhotic because intrusive R is a feature of non-rhotic accents, hah.
I suspect there exist some non-etymological non-spelling Rs in rhotic accents
but I could not come up with any unprompted. Google was no help, but Yandex
https://yandex.ru/search/?text=extra+rs+in+pronunciation+-intrusive&search_source=dzen_desktop_safe&lr=10418
brought up Appalachia,
https://blindpigandtheacorn.com/in-appalachia-we-like-rs/ ; I had been familiar
with warsh for wash, and indeed at home growing up yeller for yellow was to be
heard.

I have heard "Warshington" in TV news. (From people located in
Warshington.)

That's due to the Law of Conservation or R's.
For every "R' dropped in Boston, One is added in Warshington State.

[lar3ryca]

Post by lar3ryca

Post by Peter Moylan

  >
  > >
  > >
  > >> Earlier today I found myself wondering how non-rhotic folks
pronounce
  > >> 'boron' and 'moron'.
  > >
  > > Some supposedly non-rhotic folks manage to pronounce drawing as
  > > "drawring".
  >
  > That's not rhotic, because the r is followed by a vowel, so your
"non-rhotic
  > folks" is invalid.
It’s not rhotic because intrusive R is a feature of non-rhotic accents, hah.
I suspect there exist some non-etymological non-spelling Rs in rhotic accents
but I could not come up with any unprompted. Google was no help, but Yandex
https://yandex.ru/search/?text=extra+rs+in+pronunciation+-intrusive&search_source=dzen_desktop_safe&lr=10418
brought up Appalachia,
https://blindpigandtheacorn.com/in-appalachia-we-like-rs/ ; I had been familiar
with warsh for wash, and indeed at home growing up yeller for yellow was to be
heard.

I have heard "Warshington" in TV news. (From people located in Warshington.)

That's due to the Law of Conservation or R's.
For every "R' dropped in Boston, One is added in Warshington State.

SB <the Law of Conservation OF R's>

[jerryfriedman]

On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 20:12:52 +0000, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
..

Post by Aidan Kehoe
I suspect there exist some non-etymological non-spelling Rs in rhotic accents
but I could not come up with any unprompted. Google was no help, but Yandex
https://yandex.ru/search/?text=extra+rs+in+pronunciation+-intrusive&search_source=dzen_desktop_safe&lr=10418
brought up Appalachia,
https://blindpigandtheacorn.com/in-appalachia-we-like-rs/ ; I had been familiar
with warsh for wash, and indeed at home growing up yeller for yellow was
to be heard.

The only one of those I've heard spoken unaffectedly
is "warsh".

They missed "holler", which I've often heard in the
"yell" sense (from "hollo"), but never in the "valley"
sense (from "hollow").

I don't /think/ I've heard "idear".

--
Jerry Friedman

--

[Janet]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)

That must surely have been written by an American.

In every part of England, north south east west, arse
rhymes with farce.

Janet

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Janet

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)

That must surely have been written by an American.
In every part of England, north south east west, arse
rhymes with farce.

I read it such that "pass" somewhere rhymes with "ass". It that (also)
wrong?

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Janet

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)

That must surely have been written by an American.
In every part of England, north south east west, arse
rhymes with farce.

I read it such that "pass" somewhere rhymes with "ass". It that (also)
wrong?

Well yes, but that's not the point.

[Janet]

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Janet

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)

That must surely have been written by an American.
In every part of England, north south east west, arse
rhymes with farce.

I read it such that "pass" somewhere rhymes with "ass". It that (also)
wrong?

both sometimes rhyme with lass, gas.

But not in this instance. Rhyming slang Khyber always
means arse, never ass.



Janet

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Janet

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with
Lest we forget London, there are several examples that rely on vowel
Khyber pass = a*** (elsewhere in England this would rhyme with ass)

That must surely have been written by an American.
In every part of England, north south east west, arse
rhymes with farce.

True, but...
When it's an attempt at a rude joke, people will usually think "That's
close enough."

Saying "But we use different vowel sounds in those two words." would
have one labelled as a boring pedant (but probably not in those words).

[Steve Hayes]

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 08:49:46 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
I am reading an article about Rhyming Slang. A section gives examples
from different parts of the world - not just from the UK. This part
seemed rather funny because of the word they dare not print along with

The only one that I can think of that is common in South Africa is
china, as in the greeting "Howzit my china?"

China plate = mate.