Discussion:
Do you Shake the Milk?
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henh...@gmail.com
2023-04-02 02:09:49 UTC
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The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers together, milk is homogenized.


Do you Shake the Milk? ------ I give it a quick up and down when I take it out of the fridge. But as you say, don't really know why. Force of habit perhaps.
Peter Moylan
2023-04-02 02:43:00 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
henh...@gmail.com
2023-04-02 02:51:54 UTC
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The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
WIWAL ---------- this made me wonder, [Where does "A" come from?]


There is no scientific evidence to support the claim that shaking milk will make it spoil faster.
Peter Moylan
2023-04-02 03:19:16 UTC
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WIWAL ---------- this made me wonder, [Where does "A" come from?]
When I Were A Lad. Look at the second-last word.
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Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Ken Blake
2023-04-02 16:07:24 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
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The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
WIWAL ---------- this made me wonder, [Where does "A" come from?]
From the beginning of the alphabet.


...I served a term...
Ken Blake
2023-04-02 16:06:06 UTC
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:43:00 +1000, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by ***@gmail.com
The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
That would keep me from fetching it. Not only do I not want to have
cream on my cereal, I prefer to have it with skim milk.
Snidely
2023-04-02 20:48:47 UTC
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Ken Blake is guilty of <***@4ax.com> as
of 4/2/2023 9:06:06 AM
Post by Ken Blake
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:43:00 +1000, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by ***@gmail.com
The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
That would keep me from fetching it. Not only do I not want to have
cream on my cereal, I prefer to have it with skim milk.
Was that true when you were 7?

/dps
--
"That’s where I end with this kind of conversation: Language is
crucial, and yet not the answer."
Jonathan Rosa, sociocultural and linguistic anthropologist,
Stanford.,2020
Ken Blake
2023-04-02 23:56:47 UTC
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Post by Snidely
of 4/2/2023 9:06:06 AM
Post by Ken Blake
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:43:00 +1000, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by ***@gmail.com
The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
That would keep me from fetching it. Not only do I not want to have
cream on my cereal, I prefer to have it with skim milk.
Was that true when you were 7?
No, for wanting skim milk (I don't think it existed then), but yes,
for not wanting cream.
Jerry Friedman
2023-04-03 01:02:36 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Post by Snidely
of 4/2/2023 9:06:06 AM
Post by Ken Blake
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:43:00 +1000, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by ***@gmail.com
The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
That would keep me from fetching it. Not only do I not want to have
cream on my cereal, I prefer to have it with skim milk.
Was that true when you were 7?
No, for wanting skim milk (I don't think it existed then),
It certainly existed--you can't make cream without making skim milk or
something close to it, and skim milk masqueraded as cream in /HMS
Pinafore/. I don't know what was available where you lived when you
were seven.
Post by Ken Blake
but yes, for not wanting cream.
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
--
Jerry Friedman
TonyCooper
2023-04-03 03:21:22 UTC
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 18:02:36 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Snidely
of 4/2/2023 9:06:06 AM
Post by Ken Blake
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:43:00 +1000, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by ***@gmail.com
The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
That would keep me from fetching it. Not only do I not want to have
cream on my cereal, I prefer to have it with skim milk.
Was that true when you were 7?
No, for wanting skim milk (I don't think it existed then),
It certainly existed--you can't make cream without making skim milk or
something close to it, and skim milk masqueraded as cream in /HMS
Pinafore/. I don't know what was available where you lived when you
were seven.
You could buy milk and skim the cream off the top, but skimmed milk
wasn't available to buy, so you could say the product didn't exist.
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Ken Blake
but yes, for not wanting cream.
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida
Jerry Friedman
2023-04-03 04:09:48 UTC
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Post by TonyCooper
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 18:02:36 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Snidely
of 4/2/2023 9:06:06 AM
Post by Ken Blake
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:43:00 +1000, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by ***@gmail.com
The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
That would keep me from fetching it. Not only do I not want to have
cream on my cereal, I prefer to have it with skim milk.
Was that true when you were 7?
No, for wanting skim milk (I don't think it existed then),
It certainly existed--you can't make cream without making skim milk or
something close to it, and skim milk masqueraded as cream in /HMS
Pinafore/. I don't know what was available where you lived when you
were seven.
You could buy milk and skim the cream off the top, but skimmed milk
wasn't available to buy, so you could say the product didn't exist.
But cream and butter were for sale, so skim milk existed at the dairies.
Apparently a lot of it was sold as an ingredient for prepared foods and
for animal feed. When Ken was seven, skim milk existed, but hardly at
all as a retail product in the U.S., from what you and he said and what I
see on line. In 1950, though, despite continued resistance by consumers
and producers, a Representative from Wisconsin could say that "a lot of
fat people buy it and pay 15 cents a quart for it."

https://books.google.com/books?id=_nyeXkrztJwC&pg=PA12
Post by TonyCooper
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Ken Blake
but yes, for not wanting cream.
...
--
Jerry Friedman
Ken Blake
2023-04-03 15:36:33 UTC
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 21:09:48 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by TonyCooper
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 18:02:36 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Snidely
of 4/2/2023 9:06:06 AM
Post by Ken Blake
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:43:00 +1000, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by ***@gmail.com
The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
That would keep me from fetching it. Not only do I not want to have
cream on my cereal, I prefer to have it with skim milk.
Was that true when you were 7?
No, for wanting skim milk (I don't think it existed then),
It certainly existed--you can't make cream without making skim milk or
something close to it, and skim milk masqueraded as cream in /HMS
Pinafore/. I don't know what was available where you lived when you
were seven.
You could buy milk and skim the cream off the top, but skimmed milk
wasn't available to buy, so you could say the product didn't exist.
But cream and butter were for sale, so skim milk existed at the dairies.
Yes, certainly.
Post by Jerry Friedman
Apparently a lot of it was sold as an ingredient for prepared foods and
for animal feed. When Ken was seven, skim milk existed, but hardly at
all as a retail product in the U.S., from what you and he said and what I
see on line.
I didn't look on-line, but from what Tony said and you saw on-line,
that must be why I thought it didn't exist. It didn't exist as a
product for sale in grocery stores, so I didn't know about it.
Post by Jerry Friedman
In 1950, though, despite continued resistance by consumers
and producers, a Representative from Wisconsin could say that "a lot of
By 1950, I was 13.
Post by Jerry Friedman
fat people buy it and pay 15 cents a quart for it."
Yesterday, I just bought two half-gallons, It was on sale and "only"
cost $1.29 a half gallon. That's only about four times its 1950
price. I'm surprised the price didn't go up much more in the seven
decades since then.
Post by Jerry Friedman
https://books.google.com/books?id=_nyeXkrztJwC&pg=PA12
Post by TonyCooper
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Ken Blake
but yes, for not wanting cream.
...
Peter Moylan
2023-04-03 04:25:24 UTC
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I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
The world is very very big
And bacon comes from a pig
And butter is better than marge
And the world is very very large.

From "Meaningless words sung in very high voices", by the HeeBeeGeeBees.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Snidely
2023-04-03 09:14:23 UTC
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Post by Jerry Friedman
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
They are rich.

WIWAK, we had home delivery ("Mayflower", not "Alpenrose") of whole
milk (3.8% even then, IIRC). The glass quart bottles had a bubble at
the top, a reservoir to make it easier to divert the cream. Usually it
was put aside for my mother's coffee, but sometimes we were allowed to
ave it our cereal. Best with hot oatmeal, IMHO [1].

When home delivery ended, we went for cartons of 2%, which didn't seem
much different than what the home delivery milk was like after the
cream was carried off.

After /my/ kids were older, I switched to 1% milk. It took me a few
cartons to adjust, and I'm still okay with occasional 2%.

I don't think I'll spread 1% on my toast, though [2].

[1] My mother did not like cream or milk on her oatmeal; she used
butter.

[2] When I do milque toast, there must be plenty of butter.

/dps
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But happiness cannot be pursued; it must ensue. One must have a reason
to 'be happy.'"
Viktor Frankl
Ken Blake
2023-04-03 15:51:39 UTC
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Post by Snidely
Post by Jerry Friedman
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
They are rich.
WIWAK, we had home delivery ("Mayflower", not "Alpenrose") of whole
milk (3.8% even then, IIRC).
Same for me wiwal, but I don't remember the brand name, nor the
percentage of cream.
Post by Snidely
The glass quart bottles had a bubble at
the top, a reservoir to make it easier to divert the cream.
They also had a little cardboard cap inserted into the top, with a tab
for removing it. We school kids used to play a game with them. One of
us would throw his on the ground and the other would throw his at it.
If he turned it over, he would win it. If he didn't, he would lose
his.

The bottles also had a second cap--a paper one that went around the
top of the bottle and helped to hold the first one in place.
Post by Snidely
Usually it
was put aside for my mother's coffee, but sometimes we were allowed to
ave it our cereal. Best with hot oatmeal, IMHO [1].
I have oatmeal for breakfast almost every day, but I always treat it
like wheaties or corn flakes-- cold, and raw. I have it with skim milk
(also almonds, sunflower seeds, chia seeds, blueberries, (and
turmeric, to partially hide the taste of the milk--I don't like milk).
Post by Snidely
When home delivery ended, we went for cartons of 2%, which didn't seem
much different than what the home delivery milk was like after the
cream was carried off.
After /my/ kids were older, I switched to 1% milk. It took me a few
cartons to adjust, and I'm still okay with occasional 2%.
I don't think I'll spread 1% on my toast, though [2].
[1] My mother did not like cream or milk on her oatmeal; she used
butter.
[2] When I do milque toast, there must be plenty of butter.
/dps
Jerry Friedman
2023-04-03 18:03:12 UTC
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Post by Snidely
Post by Jerry Friedman
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
They are rich.
I have two lines of analysis on this point, as the high school debaters
used to and may still say:

1) Lots of things are rich, but butter and cream seem to be an
especially big deal.

2) I've never preferred rich food. (Except I like chocolate better than
cocoa, but I also like chocolate better than rich bakery desserts
made with cocoa.)
Post by Snidely
WIWAK, we had home delivery ("Mayflower", not "Alpenrose") of whole
milk (3.8% even then, IIRC).
Is it possible that I remember home-delivered milk?
Post by Snidely
The glass quart bottles had a bubble at
the top, a reservoir to make it easier to divert the cream.
...

Is that what that was for?
--
Jerry Friedman
TonyCooper
2023-04-03 19:03:23 UTC
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Snidely
Post by Jerry Friedman
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
They are rich.
I have two lines of analysis on this point, as the high school debaters
1) Lots of things are rich, but butter and cream seem to be an
especially big deal.
2) I've never preferred rich food. (Except I like chocolate better than
cocoa, but I also like chocolate better than rich bakery desserts
made with cocoa.)
Post by Snidely
WIWAK, we had home delivery ("Mayflower", not "Alpenrose") of whole
milk (3.8% even then, IIRC).
Is it possible that I remember home-delivered milk?
Post by Snidely
The glass quart bottles had a bubble at
the top, a reservoir to make it easier to divert the cream.
...
Is that what that was for?
WIWAL the milkman delivered the milk. A card was in the milkbox, and
my mother checked off what she wanted the milkman to leave the next
morning.

I don't remember when that stopped. At some point, milk was purchased
at the supermarket (actually, a somewhat-larger grocery store than the
corner grocery) and the milk delivery stopped.

I suppose it was a matter of locality, rather than some universal
change. Also, milk stopped coming in glass bottles and quarts and
half-gallons came in wax cartons, and gallons became available in
plastic jugs.

A typical milkbox:
Loading Image...

supplied free by the dairy, but now for sale in antique shops.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida
Mark Brader
2023-04-03 19:18:07 UTC
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WIWAL the milkman delivered the milk. A card was in the milkbox, and
my mother checked off what she wanted the milkman to leave the next
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9ykAAOSwA5Fj7D0Y/s-l500.png
supplied free by the dairy, but now for sale in antique shops.
I've only lived in one house that had a milk box, but it was part of
the house, not a freestanding object. See:

http://www.core77.com/posts/103681/When-Houses-Had-Built-In-Milk-Doors

I guess the house was built in the 1950s (it was one of these:

http://qsview.com/@43.556072,-80.274742,268.84h,1.15p,0z,A2bkXEyW-u2Ev-mPlsBwCA

) and while the milk box was part of the wall, as seen on the core77
page, it had no inside door -- you had to go outside to collect the
milk. I was given to understand that the old design with an inside
door facilitated break-ins.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Just to be clear, pythons
***@vex.net do not have feet." --Tony Cooper

My text in this article is in the public domain.
Jerry Friedman
2023-04-03 19:26:14 UTC
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Post by Mark Brader
WIWAL the milkman delivered the milk. A card was in the milkbox, and
my mother checked off what she wanted the milkman to leave the next
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9ykAAOSwA5Fj7D0Y/s-l500.png
supplied free by the dairy, but now for sale in antique shops.
I've only lived in one house that had a milk box, but it was part of
http://www.core77.com/posts/103681/When-Houses-Had-Built-In-Milk-Doors
) and while the milk box was part of the wall, as seen on the core77
page, it had no inside door -- you had to go outside to collect the
milk. I was given to understand that the old design with an inside
door facilitated break-ins.
The house I grew up in had one of those with an inside door. We called
it a milk chute, though nothing fell. (It also had a laundry chute, through
which clothes fell from the first or second floor to the basement.)
Post by Mark Brader
Mark Brader, Toronto "Just to be clear, pythons
Vestigial legs, though.
--
Jerry Friedman
Peter T. Daniels
2023-04-03 21:18:27 UTC
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Post by Mark Brader
WIWAL the milkman delivered the milk. A card was in the milkbox, and
my mother checked off what she wanted the milkman to leave the next
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9ykAAOSwA5Fj7D0Y/s-l500.png
supplied free by the dairy, but now for sale in antique shops.
I've only lived in one house that had a milk box, but it was part of
http://www.core77.com/posts/103681/When-Houses-Had-Built-In-Milk-Doors
) and while the milk box was part of the wall, as seen on the core77
page, it had no inside door -- you had to go outside to collect the
milk. I was given to understand that the old design with an inside
door facilitated break-ins.
The house I grew up in had one of those with an inside door. We called
it a milk chute, though nothing fell. (It also had a laundry chute, through
which clothes fell from the first or second floor to the basement.)
While redecorating, my cousin discovered that our grandparents'
apartment (since 1940; built in the early 1920s) had an opening
in the brick wall, with a sturdy door on either side, below the window,
between the fire escape and the kitchen. We could not come up with
any plausible function for it, rejecting the notion that the milkman
would lug his wares up the fire escape to the fourth floor (and two
further flights to the top floor).

When my grandmother's neighbor got her weekly deliveries of a
crate of bottles of seltzer (yes, just like the ones deployed by the
Three Stooges) in the 1950s-60s, they were left in the hall outside
the apartment door.
Post by Mark Brader
Mark Brader, Toronto "Just to be clear, pythons
Vestigial legs, though.
Peter Moylan
2023-04-04 03:59:40 UTC
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Post by TonyCooper
WIWAL the milkman delivered the milk. A card was in the milkbox,
and my mother checked off what she wanted the milkman to leave the
next morning.
Our system was that the number of bottles delivered was equal to the
number of empty bottles left in the milk box. This did create a problem
for beginners. How do you get your first empty bottles?

Our milkbox was out on the front fence, next to the mailbox.

The butcher, on the other hand, came right up to the kitchen window,
which in our house was at the front of the house, so the meat came in
through the window.

A later milkman, who delivered in the afternoon rather than in the
morning, left the milk on the back porch. That was probably something to
do with the position of the sun.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Rich Ulrich
2023-04-04 05:51:08 UTC
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Snidely
Post by Jerry Friedman
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
They are rich.
I have two lines of analysis on this point, as the high school debaters
1) Lots of things are rich, but butter and cream seem to be an
especially big deal.
2) I've never preferred rich food. (Except I like chocolate better than
cocoa, but I also like chocolate better than rich bakery desserts
made with cocoa.)
Post by Snidely
WIWAK, we had home delivery ("Mayflower", not "Alpenrose") of whole
milk (3.8% even then, IIRC).
Is it possible that I remember home-delivered milk?
As late as 1964 (me, senior in high school), my pal Joe's
dad was a milkman. Was that the end of the era?
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Snidely
The glass quart bottles had a bubble at
the top, a reservoir to make it easier to divert the cream.
...
Is that what that was for?
I think I remember there being a hump.
--
Rich Ulrich
bil...@shaw.ca
2023-04-04 06:53:46 UTC
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Post by TonyCooper
On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Snidely
Post by Jerry Friedman
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
They are rich.
I have two lines of analysis on this point, as the high school debaters
1) Lots of things are rich, but butter and cream seem to be an
especially big deal.
2) I've never preferred rich food. (Except I like chocolate better than
cocoa, but I also like chocolate better than rich bakery desserts
made with cocoa.)
Post by Snidely
WIWAK, we had home delivery ("Mayflower", not "Alpenrose") of whole
milk (3.8% even then, IIRC).
Is it possible that I remember home-delivered milk?
As late as 1964 (me, senior in high school), my pal Joe's
dad was a milkman. Was that the end of the era?
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Snidely
The glass quart bottles had a bubble at
the top, a reservoir to make it easier to divert the cream.
...
Is that what that was for?
I think I remember there being a hump.
Does anyone else remember the short-lived Vancouver-based comic series --
one or two issues -- called Reid Fleming, World's Toughest Milkman?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Boswell

I remember it being published and I think I owned a copy at one time, but have
no idea where it went. Possibly it is somewhere partying with the R. Crumb comics
of the same era.

bill
lar3ryca
2023-04-04 19:31:50 UTC
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Post by TonyCooper
On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Snidely
Post by Jerry Friedman
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
They are rich.
I have two lines of analysis on this point, as the high school debaters
1) Lots of things are rich, but butter and cream seem to be an
especially big deal.
2) I've never preferred rich food. (Except I like chocolate better than
cocoa, but I also like chocolate better than rich bakery desserts
made with cocoa.)
Post by Snidely
WIWAK, we had home delivery ("Mayflower", not "Alpenrose") of whole
milk (3.8% even then, IIRC).
Is it possible that I remember home-delivered milk?
As late as 1964 (me, senior in high school), my pal Joe's
dad was a milkman. Was that the end of the era?
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Snidely
The glass quart bottles had a bubble at
the top, a reservoir to make it easier to divert the cream.
...
Is that what that was for?
I think I remember there being a hump.
Does anyone else remember the short-lived Vancouver-based comic series --
one or two issues -- called Reid Fleming, World's Toughest Milkman?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Boswell
I remember it being published and I think I owned a copy at one time, but have
no idea where it went. Possibly it is somewhere partying with the R. Crumb comics
of the same era.
A friend showed me a copy of /The Georgia Straight/ with one of the
comics. I remember not wanting to see any more of them.
--
For sale. CD of Snoozy McGregor's Bagpipe Lullabies.
bil...@shaw.ca
2023-04-05 08:04:52 UTC
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Post by TonyCooper
On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Snidely
Post by Jerry Friedman
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
They are rich.
I have two lines of analysis on this point, as the high school debaters
1) Lots of things are rich, but butter and cream seem to be an
especially big deal.
2) I've never preferred rich food. (Except I like chocolate better than
cocoa, but I also like chocolate better than rich bakery desserts
made with cocoa.)
Post by Snidely
WIWAK, we had home delivery ("Mayflower", not "Alpenrose") of whole
milk (3.8% even then, IIRC).
Is it possible that I remember home-delivered milk?
As late as 1964 (me, senior in high school), my pal Joe's
dad was a milkman. Was that the end of the era?
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Snidely
The glass quart bottles had a bubble at
the top, a reservoir to make it easier to divert the cream.
...
Is that what that was for?
I think I remember there being a hump.
Does anyone else remember the short-lived Vancouver-based comic series --
one or two issues -- called Reid Fleming, World's Toughest Milkman?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Boswell
I remember it being published and I think I owned a copy at one time, but have
no idea where it went. Possibly it is somewhere partying with the R. Crumb comics
of the same era.
A friend showed me a copy of /The Georgia Straight/ with one of the
comics. I remember not wanting to see any more of them.
When, and how old were you? The Georgia Straight in its early years --1967 on -- was the
counterculture on the hoof. Most of its comics were original, produced specifically for
the magazine by local writers and illustrators. It was produced in Vancouver and I
lived in Calgary then, but on publication day, someone who drove regularly between
the two cities would haul a couple of bundles to Calgary and drop them on the
Eight Avenue Mall.

If you lived in Calgary then, Vancouver was where cool things happened. If you visited
Vancouver, chances are that within five years, you'd move there permanently. I moved
here in 1981, and since then I've visited Calgary only to visit family, and perhaps
drive to Banff on a sunny afternoon.

bill
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2023-04-05 08:27:12 UTC
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Post by ***@shaw.ca
A friend showed me a copy of /The Georgia Straight/ with one of the>
comics. I remember not wanting to see any more of them.>When, and how
old were you? The Georgia Straight in its early years --1967 on -- was
the
counterculture on the hoof. Most of its comics were original, produced
specifically forthe magazine by local writers and illustrators. It was
produced in Vancouver and I
lived in Calgary then, but on publication day, someone who drove regularly between
the two cities would haul a couple of bundles to Calgary and drop them on the
Eight Avenue Mall.
If you lived in Calgary then, Vancouver was where cool things happened. If you visited
Vancouver, chances are that within five years, you'd move there
permanently. I movedhere in 1981, and since then I've visited Calgary
only to visit family, and perhaps
drive to Banff on a sunny afternoon.
Way back in 1962 I spent a night in Calgary on the way to Vancouver. To
say that I found Vancouver more interesting than Calgary would be to
put it much too mildly. We watched the television news, which started
with an introductory sequence with pictures of Ottawa, Washington DC,
London and Paris, followed by the news itself, which consisted entirely
of incidents within 10 km of the centre of Calgary.
--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.
lar3ryca
2023-04-05 15:30:55 UTC
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Post by TonyCooper
On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Snidely
Post by Jerry Friedman
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
They are rich.
I have two lines of analysis on this point, as the high school debaters
1) Lots of things are rich, but butter and cream seem to be an
especially big deal.
2) I've never preferred rich food. (Except I like chocolate better than
cocoa, but I also like chocolate better than rich bakery desserts
made with cocoa.)
Post by Snidely
WIWAK, we had home delivery ("Mayflower", not "Alpenrose") of whole
milk (3.8% even then, IIRC).
Is it possible that I remember home-delivered milk?
As late as 1964 (me, senior in high school), my pal Joe's
dad was a milkman. Was that the end of the era?
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Snidely
The glass quart bottles had a bubble at
the top, a reservoir to make it easier to divert the cream.
...
Is that what that was for?
I think I remember there being a hump.
Does anyone else remember the short-lived Vancouver-based comic series --
one or two issues -- called Reid Fleming, World's Toughest Milkman?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Boswell
I remember it being published and I think I owned a copy at one time, but have
no idea where it went. Possibly it is somewhere partying with the R. Crumb comics
of the same era.
A friend showed me a copy of /The Georgia Straight/ with one of the
comics. I remember not wanting to see any more of them.
When, and how old were you? The Georgia Straight in its early years --1967 on -- was the
counterculture on the hoof. Most of its comics were original, produced specifically for
the magazine by local writers and illustrators. It was produced in Vancouver and I
lived in Calgary then, but on publication day, someone who drove regularly between
the two cities would haul a couple of bundles to Calgary and drop them on the
Eight Avenue Mall.
It would have been in about '79 or '80. In 1950 I would have been 36. I
worked for Memorex at the time, and a cow-orker showed it to me. At the
time, we were discussing 'underground' comics, and I showed him my
collection of /Fat Freddy's Cat /.
Post by ***@shaw.ca
If you lived in Calgary then, Vancouver was where cool things happened. If you visited
Vancouver, chances are that within five years, you'd move there permanently. I moved
here in 1981, and since then I've visited Calgary only to visit family, and perhaps
drive to Banff on a sunny afternoon.
I visited Calgary a few times as tech support while working for Control
Data. One time was during Stampede week, and when I got back home, I was
asked how I enjoyed it. I responded that it was pretty much like
Vancouver on any given Tuesday night.

On another trip, I stayed in a hotel that I would characterize as rather
average, definitely not upscale. I went downstairs to the restaurant for
supper, and was informed that the restaurant required gentlemen to wear
a suit jacket or sport coat. I was wearing jeans and a t-shirt. I said I
did not have a jacket with me, and the fellow said they had jackets to
loan customers.

I told him I wouldn't eat in a mediocre restaurant that had such a dress
code, and went across the street to a restaurant that was quite good,
and did not mind my attire.

I don't think there could be a salary high enough to make me live in
Calgary.
--
Talking about music is like dancing about architecture.
-Frank Zappa
Sam Plusnet
2023-04-05 19:12:27 UTC
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In 1950 I would have been 36.
I smell a typo.
--
Sam Plusnet
lar3ryca
2023-04-05 20:02:28 UTC
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Post by lar3ryca
In 1950 I would have been 36.
I smell a typo.
You are right. I am type O.

Should have been 1980, of course.
--
When I was young there were only 25 letters in the alphabet.
Nobody knew Y.
Ken Blake
2023-04-03 15:27:11 UTC
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Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Snidely
of 4/2/2023 9:06:06 AM
Post by Ken Blake
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:43:00 +1000, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by ***@gmail.com
The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
That would keep me from fetching it. Not only do I not want to have
cream on my cereal, I prefer to have it with skim milk.
Was that true when you were 7?
No, for wanting skim milk (I don't think it existed then),
It certainly existed--you can't make cream without making skim milk or
something close to it, and skim milk masqueraded as cream in /HMS
Pinafore/.
Right! I had forgotten about Pinafore.
Post by Jerry Friedman
I don't know what was available where you lived when you
were seven.
Maybe I had just not remembered it. Or maybe it existed as a byproduct
of making cream but wasn't sold by itself. Or maybe it wasn't
available in the Bronx where I lived. Or maybe, most likely, my mother
never bought it, so I didn't know about it.
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Ken Blake
but yes, for not wanting cream.
I've never understood why people like cream and butter so much.
I like butter, as a spread on bread or on some vegetables like
asparagus, I like cream as an ingredient in some dishes, but I don't
like it by itself or in coffee.
Phil Carmody
2023-04-03 23:09:49 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
You first. That stuff makes me gag. Thank goodness for homogenised milk,
which I think appeared in the late 70s, so I could have the full 3.5%-4%
milk without that slime at the top.

Having said that, my tastes, or should I say preferences for certain
textures, have changed dramatically over the decades - nowadays I can't
stand smooth mashed potatoes, leave some goddamned lumps in please!

Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have
gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast
aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
-- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber in /The Western Tradition/
Ken Blake
2023-04-03 23:33:04 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by ***@gmail.com
The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the
top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers
together, milk is homogenized.
WIWAL we were very careful not to shake it. The person who fetched the
milk bottles from the front gate got to have cream on their cereal.
You first. That stuff makes me gag. Thank goodness for homogenised milk,
which I think appeared in the late 70s, so I could have the full 3.5%-4%
milk without that slime at the top.
Having said that, my tastes, or should I say preferences for certain
textures, have changed dramatically over the decades - nowadays I can't
stand smooth mashed potatoes, leave some goddamned lumps in please!
I've always liked mashed potatoes. I also prefer some lumps
(goddamned or not), but smooth doesn't bother me.
henh...@gmail.com
2023-04-02 03:08:27 UTC
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The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers together, milk is homogenized.
Do you Shake the Milk? ------ I give it a quick up and down when I take it out of the fridge. But as you say, don't really know why. Force of habit perhaps.
Shake... milk? W-why? I've never heard of anyone doing such a thing. Oh wait. I get it. Innuendo. Funny.


I thought this was some slang for cranking your meat.

-------- i've never heard of that one... When i googled, i got :


Milwaukee meat grinder
https://www.urbandictionary.com › define › term=Mil...
A sexual move in which a man's sexual partner turns his penis like a crank while he defecates. This process looks similar to the use of a hand-cranked meat ...
Sam Plusnet
2023-04-02 19:18:13 UTC
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The only reason to shake milk nowadays is if you like suds on the top. Unlike before, where you had to shake to get the layers together, milk is homogenized.
Do you Shake the Milk? ------ I give it a quick up and down when I take it out of the fridge. But as you say, don't really know why. Force of habit perhaps.
Shake... milk? W-why? I've never heard of anyone doing such a thing. Oh wait. I get it. Innuendo. Funny.
Do you come to aue for the sole purpose of starting a dialogue with
yourself?

You could do that at home with far less effort.
--
Sam Plusnet
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