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Gentleman Jack and the creeper
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Marius Hancu
2007-03-18 13:12:52 UTC
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Hello:

I wonder what "Gentleman Jack" means here (could it be a man
successful with women?) and if
"the way to get on"
means the way to get sexual favors.

Generally, what's the point of having the creeper in that place?

Also, how about "the badger bag." Is this a sailor's "mixed bag" or
"bag of tricks?"

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[Talbot is looking for "a place of assignation" for him and
Zenobia. He gets down to the gun room of the ship, where he meets some
of the mishipmen.]

Yet I did not pay much attention to them at first because of the
extraordinary object that Mr Willis revealed as he moved his bony
length towards the ladder. It was, of all things, a plant, some kind
of creeper, its roots buried in a pot and the stem roped to the
bulkhead for a few feet. There was never a leaf; and whatever a
tendril or branch was unsupported it hung straight down like a piece
of seaweed--which indeed would have been more appropriate and
useful. I exclaimed at his sight. Mr Taylor burst into his usual peal
nad pointed to Mr Willis and the not particular proud owner. Mr Willis
vanished up the ladder. I turned from the plant to Mr Taylor.

"What the devil is that for?"

"Ah," said the gunner. "Gentleman Jack."

"Always one for a joke, Mr. Deverel," said the carpenter. "He put him
up to it." [Mr. Deverel is one of the officers on the ship and seems
to be successful with the women]

The sailing master smiled across at me with mysterious compassion.

"Mr Deverel told him it was the way to get on."

Tommy Taylor cried with laughter--literally cried, the tears falling
from him. He choked and I beat his back more severely than he
liked. But unalloyed high spirits are a nuisance anywhere. He stopped
laughing.

"It's a creeper, you see!"

"Gentleman Jack," said the carpenter again. "I could help laughing
myself. God knows what sort of lark Mr Deverel will get up to in the
badger bag."

"The what, sir?"


William Golding, Rites of Passage, p. 79
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Thank you.
Marius Hancu
n***@verizon.net
2007-03-18 13:23:53 UTC
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Post by Marius Hancu
Also, how about "the badger bag." Is this a sailor's "mixed bag" or
"bag of tricks?"
Can't help you with Gentleman Jack, but a little googling tells me
that "Badger Bag" is actually the name of a fictional character, part
of a sailor's rite of passage that occurs when they "cross the
line" (the equator) for the first time. Here's a snip from someone's
blog describing what he does:

===== begin quoted text =====

So we have entered the Southern Hemisphere, and with a spectacular
ceremony of initiation for Mark. We crossed around midday and Mark was
summoned from his position in the cockpit by two apparitions from
below, King Neptune and his helper Badger Bag, alias Guillermo and
Damian, who prodded him to the mast base with their tridents, strapped
him to the netting and proceeded to persecute him most vilely. It was
one of the funniest scenes you could imagine, men wrapped in toilet
paper pouring slops and Tabasco over Mark's back, pushing a flying
fish down his shorts and forcing him to put a squid soaked in yet more
Tabasco in his mouth. I must say Mark took it very well and was a
worthy initiate. We hope this has satisfied the gods and they will now
grant us a safe passage.

===== end quoted text =====

How this ritual may have been celebrated in the days Golding is
writing about may be something you'll discover later on in the book.

I understand from my googling that Patrick O'Brian also refers to
Badger Bag in at least one of his novels. (You do still plan to read
those, don't you?)
contrex
2007-03-18 13:38:03 UTC
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Post by Marius Hancu
I wonder what "Gentleman Jack" means here (could it be a man
successful with women?) and if
"the way to get on"
means the way to get sexual favors.
Generally, what's the point of having the creeper in that place?
Also, how about "the badger bag." Is this a sailor's "mixed bag" or
"bag of tricks?"
This seems like sailor's japery. Badger Bag is a name given by sailors
to King Neptune's helper at the traditional crossing-the-equator
ceremony, when first-timers have to suffer humilation.

""So we have entered the Southern Hemisphere, and with a spectacular
ceremony of initiation for Mark. We crossed around midday and Mark was
summoned from his position in the cockpit by two apparitions from
below, King Neptune and his helper Badger Bag, alias Guillermo and
Damian, who prodded him to the mast base with their tridents, strapped
him to the netting and proceeded to persecute him most vilely. It was
one of the funniest scenes you could imagine, men wrapped in toilet
paper pouring slops and Tabasco over Mark's back, pushing a flying
fish down his shorts and forcing him to put a squid soaked in yet more
Tabasco in his mouth. I must say Mark took it very well and was a
worthy initiate. We hope this has satisfied the gods and they will now
grant us a safe passage."

http://www.brianthompsonsailing.com/da/10366

"Gentleman Jack" seems to be a nickname often given by sailors to
various characters. It is also a nickname for Jack Daniel's whiskey.

In "The Buccaneers" TV series, episode "Gentleman Jack and the Lady",
when encountering a Spanish galleon, Captain Dan Tempest and the crew
of "The Sultana" run across a French frigate commanded by Gentleman
Jack.

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