As we post...

[Django Cat]

I'm watching a downloaded documentary about Neil Young. David Crosby's just
said that Neil was pissed when he wrote 'Ohio', but I know that one - pissed
means angry. 'Course, maybe he was actually pissed as well...

OK, now there's a clip of Neil playing one of the songs from 'After the Gold
Rush' - God, I haven't heard this in a long time. 'Old man sitting by the side
of the road, with the lorries passing by'. Hang on, aren't we told 'lorry' is
a barberous Britism for 'truck'? Or do Canadians say 'lorry' too?

DC
--

[Don Phillipson]

. . . there's a clip of Neil playing one of the songs from 'After the Gold
Rush' - God, I haven't heard this in a long time. 'Old man sitting by the side
of the road, with the lorries passing by'. Hang on, aren't we told 'lorry' is
a barberous Britism for 'truck'? Or do Canadians say 'lorry' too?

Some used to 30 years ago, when Neil Young was a boy, not
least because there were so many British immigrants in
Toronto and Winnipeg (where Young grew up.)

[Django Cat]

Post by Django Cat

. . . there's a clip of Neil playing one of the songs from 'After the Gold
Rush' - God, I haven't heard this in a long time. 'Old man sitting by the

side

of the road, with the lorries passing by'. Hang on, aren't we told

'lorry' is

a barberous Britism for 'truck'? Or do Canadians say 'lorry' too?

Some used to 30 years ago, when Neil Young was a boy, not
least because there were so many British immigrants in
Toronto and Winnipeg (where Young grew up.)

Interesting. He said in the documentary that Winnipeg is so far from anywhere,
and the winters so long, that there's nothing to do if you don't like playing
hockey than to spend six or seven months in your parents' basement learning to
play rock n roll.

DC
--

[Barbara Bailey]

Post by Don Phillipson

. . . there's a clip of Neil playing one of the songs from 'After the
Gold Rush' - God, I haven't heard this in a long time. 'Old man
sitting by the side
of the road, with the lorries passing by'. Hang on, aren't we told 'lorry' is
a barberous Britism for 'truck'? Or do Canadians say 'lorry' too?

Some used to 30 years ago, when Neil Young was a boy, not
least because there were so many British immigrants in
Toronto and Winnipeg (where Young grew up.)

30 years ago, Neil Young was hardly "a boy". He was born in 1945. So the
question is, how widely was it used 50 to 60 years ago?

[John Kane]

I'm watching a downloaded documentary about Neil Young.  David Crosby's just
said that Neil was pissed when he wrote 'Ohio', but I know that one - pissed
means angry.  'Course, maybe he was actually pissed as well...
OK, now there's a clip of Neil playing one of the songs from 'After the Gold
Rush' - God, I haven't heard this in a long time.  'Old man sitting by the side
of the road, with the lorries passing by'.  Hang on, aren't we told 'lorry' is
a barberous Britism for 'truck'?  Or do Canadians say 'lorry' too?
DC
--

Not normally but there are and were enough Brits around that the term
would not have been something unknown. It may have scanned better
than 'truck'.

I find myself using 'shop' rather than 'store' (nouns) sometimes due
to working with too many British and Irish colleagues. Mind you, I
also use dépaneur, from living in Québec.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

[Django Cat]

Post by John Kane

I'm watching a downloaded documentary about Neil Young.  David Crosby's
just said that Neil was pissed when he wrote 'Ohio', but I know that one -
pissed means angry.  'Course, maybe he was actually pissed as well...
OK, now there's a clip of Neil playing one of the songs from 'After the
Gold Rush' - God, I haven't heard this in a long time.  'Old man sitting
by the side of the road, with the lorries passing by'.  Hang on, aren't we
told 'lorry' is a barberous Britism for 'truck'?  Or do Canadians say
'lorry' too?
DC
--

Not normally but there are and were enough Brits around that the term
would not have been something unknown. It may have scanned better
than 'truck'.

For sure - the song needs that extra syllable.

Post by John Kane
I find myself using 'shop' rather than 'store' (nouns) sometimes due
to working with too many British and Irish colleagues. Mind you, I
also use dépaneur, from living in Québec.

Useful if your lorry tombe en panne, I spose.

DC
--

[Bob Cunningham]

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:59:15 GMT, "Django Cat"
<***@address.co.uk> wrote:

[...]

Post by Django Cat
Hang on, aren't we told 'lorry' is
a barberous Britism for 'truck'? Or do Canadians say 'lorry' too?

Maybe it's only the barbarous barberous Canadians who do, and not the
barbarous bakerous or butcherous Canadians.

[Prai Jei]

Django Cat set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time

Post by Django Cat
OK, now there's a clip of Neil playing one of the songs from 'After the
Gold Rush' - God, I haven't heard this in a long time. 'Old man sitting
by the side of the road, with the lorries passing by'. Hang on, aren't
we told 'lorry' is a barberous Britism for 'truck'? Or do Canadians
say 'lorry' too?

It is the usual British word, rather than anything barbarous or even
barberous. Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here), "artic" (for the larger kind comprising a tractor and trailer) or
"HGV" (initials of "Heavy Goods Vehicle", the legal classification).

[Django Cat]

Post by Prai Jei

Post by Django Cat
OK, now there's a clip of Neil playing one of the songs from 'After the
Gold Rush' - God, I haven't heard this in a long time. 'Old man sitting
by the side of the road, with the lorries passing by'. Hang on, aren't
we told 'lorry' is a barberous Britism for 'truck'? Or do Canadians
say 'lorry' too?

It is the usual British word, rather than anything barbarous or even
barberous. Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

You're over there? Good grief, so you are.

DC
--

[Mike Lyle]

Post by Django Cat

Post by Prai Jei

Post by Django Cat
OK, now there's a clip of Neil playing one of the songs from 'After
the Gold Rush' - God, I haven't heard this in a long time. 'Old
man sitting by the side of the road, with the lorries passing by'.
Hang on, aren't we told 'lorry' is a barberous Britism for 'truck'?
Or do Canadians say 'lorry' too?

It is the usual British word, rather than anything barbarous or even
barberous. Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway
wagon over here),

You're over there? Good grief, so you are.

Well, there's more to lorries and trucks than has been suggested.
Technically, a motor "truck" is a special case of the lorry: the
distinction is probably still made in the trade, but is fading fast
among laymen.

[Django Cat]

Post by Mike Lyle

Post by Django Cat

Post by Prai Jei
It is the usual British word, rather than anything barbarous or even
barberous. Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway
wagon over here),

You're over there? Good grief, so you are.

Well, there's more to lorries and trucks than has been suggested.
Technically, a motor "truck" is a special case of the lorry: the distinction
is probably still made in the trade, but is fading fast among laymen.

For working folk round here they're all wagons anyway, or on some occasions
waggons.


DC
--

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

There are other specific trucks in BrE:
Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Truck

Pallet truck
http://www.pallettruckshop.co.uk/acatalog/Pallet_Trucks.html

[Django Cat]

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Truck

That's a 'sack truck'? I'd call that a 'hand truck'. I bought a very fine
bright orange one from B&Q when we moved house about six weeks back - a snip at
only ?19.99, way better than Screwfix. I'm thinking of pimping it with alloy
wheels and taking it on the show circuit.

DC
--

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

Post by Django Cat

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Truck

That's a 'sack truck'? I'd call that a 'hand truck'.

"Sack" helps to distinguish it from other hand-powered trucks:

Platform Truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/14564/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Platform-Truck

Pallet Trucks
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/48522/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/2-5-Tonne-Pallet-Truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/81313/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/High-Lift-Pallet-Truck

As well as the hand trucks there are forklift trucks, and the trucks at the
top of a ship's mast or a flag-pole.

Post by Django Cat
I bought a very fine
bright orange one from B&Q when we moved house about six weeks back - a snip at
only ?19.99, way better than Screwfix. I'm thinking of pimping it with alloy
wheels and taking it on the show circuit.

Keep on trucking.

[Mike Lyle]

Post by Robin Bignall
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:06:27 GMT, "Django Cat"

Post by Django Cat

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:10:47 +0000, Prai Jei

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Truck

That's a 'sack truck'? I'd call that a 'hand truck'.

Platform Truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/14564/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Platform-Truck
Pallet Trucks
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/48522/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/2-5-Tonne-Pallet-Truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/81313/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/High-Lift-Pallet-Truck
As well as the hand trucks there are forklift trucks, and the trucks
at the top of a ship's mast or a flag-pole.

Post by Django Cat
I bought a very fine
bright orange one from B&Q when we moved house about six weeks back
- a snip at only ?19.99, way better than Screwfix. I'm thinking of
pimping it with alloy wheels and taking it on the show circuit.

Keep on trucking.

I left my old one with neighbours when I moved from Wales, so I've just
bought one from Aldi for £14.99. They call it a "hand truck", though to
me it's a "sack truck". The toe plate is very short, though: I wonder if
that distinguishes a hand one from a sack one. Good strong one it is,
with pneumatic tires, which are great for rough going and soft lawns.
See you at the show, DC, and may the best truck win the concours
d'elegance.

There was once a group of men who appeared in red boiler suits pushing
red-painted wheelbarrows in complex formations: they called themselves
"The Red Barrows". I saw them on TV.

Oh, and the pairs of wheels on skateboards are "trucks".

[Django Cat]

Post by Mike Lyle

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Django Cat
I bought a very fine
bright orange one from B&Q when we moved house about six weeks back
- a snip at only ?19.99, way better than Screwfix. I'm thinking of
pimping it with alloy wheels and taking it on the show circuit.

Keep on trucking.

I left my old one with neighbours when I moved from Wales, so I've just
bought one from Aldi for #14.99. They call it a "hand truck", though to me
it's a "sack truck". The toe plate is very short, though: I wonder if that
distinguishes a hand one from a sack one. Good strong one it is, with
pneumatic tires, which are great for rough going and soft lawns. See you at
the show, DC, and may the best truck win the concours d'elegance.
There was once a group of men who appeared in red boiler suits pushing
red-painted wheelbarrows in complex formations: they called themselves "The
Red Barrows". I saw them on TV.

You're not thinking of the Red Strimmers? My thespian brother-in-law was one
of them.

DC
--

[Mike Lyle]

Post by Django Cat

Post by Mike Lyle

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Django Cat
I bought a very fine
bright orange one from B&Q when we moved house about six weeks back
- a snip at only ?19.99, way better than Screwfix. I'm thinking of
pimping it with alloy wheels and taking it on the show circuit.

Keep on trucking.

I left my old one with neighbours when I moved from Wales, so I've
just bought one from Aldi for #14.99. They call it a "hand truck",
though to me it's a "sack truck". The toe plate is very short,
though: I wonder if that distinguishes a hand one from a sack one.
Good strong one it is, with pneumatic tires, which are great for
rough going and soft lawns. See you at the show, DC, and may the
best truck win the concours d'elegance.
There was once a group of men who appeared in red boiler suits
pushing red-painted wheelbarrows in complex formations: they called
themselves "The Red Barrows". I saw them on TV.

You're not thinking of the Red Strimmers? My thespian brother-in-law
was one of them.

Nope, definitely barrers. Not to deny the Strimmers their just
accolades, of course. They could do crop circles (known in BrE as "crop
roundabouts", as you know).

Arable farmers could have Red Harrows. Trying to imagine Red Marrows...

[j***@yahoo.com]

Post by Mike Lyle

Post by Robin Bignall
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:06:27 GMT, "Django Cat"

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:10:47 +0000, Prai Jei

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sa...

That's a 'sack truck'?  I'd call that a 'hand truck'.

Platform Truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/14564/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Pl...
Pallet Trucks
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/48522/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/2-...
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/81313/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Hi...
As well as the hand trucks there are forklift trucks,

We make do with two-thirds of that: forklifts or lift trucks (or
towmotors, a genericized brand name).

Post by Mike Lyle

Post by Robin Bignall
and the trucks
at the top of a ship's mast or a flag-pole.

I bought a very fine
bright orange one from B&Q when we moved house about six weeks back
- a snip at only ?19.99, way better than Screwfix.  I'm thinking of
pimping it with alloy wheels and taking it on the show circuit.

Keep on trucking.

I left my old one with neighbours when I moved from Wales, so I've just
bought one from Aldi for £14.99. They call it a "hand truck", though to
me it's a "sack truck".

For me it's a wheeler, a two-wheeler (that's what my father calls it,
and they were an important tool of his business), a hand truck or
handtruck, or a dolly. I'm flexible (also a favorite expression of my
father's).

With two two-wheelers, a small boy and his brother can make a very
nice cart for rolling down the driveway in. The brakes consist of
crashing into something, at which point the cart fold up and dumps the
driver on his back--the best part. ("Driver" here is a figure of
speech for "passenger and sole occupant".)

Post by Mike Lyle
The toe plate is very short, though: I wonder if
that distinguishes a hand one from a sack one. Good strong one it is,
with pneumatic tires, which are great for rough going and soft lawns.
See you at the show, DC, and may the best truck win the concours
d'elegance.

If you can lower the suspension, you can enter it in shows in New
Mexico. Be sure to refer to the wheels as "rims".

Post by Mike Lyle
There was once a group of men who appeared in red boiler suits pushing
red-painted wheelbarrows in complex formations: they called themselves
"The Red Barrows".

...

So much depends upon one.

--
Jerry Friedman

[R H Draney]

Post by Django Cat

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Truck

That's a 'sack truck'? I'd call that a 'hand truck'. I bought a very fine
bright orange one from B&Q when we moved house about six weeks back - a snip at
only ?19.99, way better than Screwfix. I'm thinking of pimping it with alloy
wheels and taking it on the show circuit.

"Hand truck" for me too, except for the brief period in 1978 when I worked for
K-Mart and it was a "two-wheeler", to contrast with the "four-wheeler":

Loading Image...

....r

[Django Cat]

Post by R H Draney

Post by Django Cat
That's a 'sack truck'? I'd call that a 'hand truck'. I bought a very fine
bright orange one from B&Q when we moved house about six weeks back - a
snip at only ?19.99, way better than Screwfix. I'm thinking of pimping it
with alloy wheels and taking it on the show circuit.

"Hand truck" for me too, except for the brief period in 1978 when I worked for
http://www.vestilmfg.com/products/mhequip/carts-71.jpg

That four-wheeler's got six wheels, R H.

DC
--

[R H Draney]

Post by Django Cat

Post by R H Draney

Post by Django Cat
That's a 'sack truck'? I'd call that a 'hand truck'. I bought a very fine
bright orange one from B&Q when we moved house about six weeks back - a
snip at only ?19.99, way better than Screwfix. I'm thinking of pimping it
with alloy wheels and taking it on the show circuit.

"Hand truck" for me too, except for the brief period in 1978 when I worked for
http://www.vestilmfg.com/products/mhequip/carts-71.jpg

That four-wheeler's got six wheels, R H.

Has it?...I only see four....r

[Skitt]

Post by R H Draney

Post by Django Cat

Post by R H Draney

Post by Django Cat
That's a 'sack truck'? I'd call that a 'hand truck'. I bought a
very fine bright orange one from B&Q when we moved house about six
weeks back - a snip at only ?19.99, way better than Screwfix. I'm
thinking of pimping it with alloy wheels and taking it on the show
circuit.

"Hand truck" for me too, except for the brief period in 1978 when I
worked for K-Mart and it was a "two-wheeler", to contrast with the
http://www.vestilmfg.com/products/mhequip/carts-71.jpg

That four-wheeler's got six wheels, R H.

Has it?...I only see four....r

Well, yeah -- there's no sense in having them where you you can't see them.

[R H Draney]

Post by Skitt

Post by R H Draney

Post by Django Cat
That four-wheeler's got six wheels, R H.

Has it?...I only see four....r

Well, yeah -- there's no sense in having them where you you can't see them.

I got points taken off for that when I was four years old and my parents were
trying to get me into school...the placement test showed a wagon and asked me to
point out what was missing...they claimed it was one of the wheels...I claimed
it wouldn't have been visible anyway from the perspective at which the picture
was drawn....

Then they tried to get me to answer the same question about a snowman...tried to
tell me it needed a carrot nose to be complete...I want to know what they were
thinking asking a southern California kid about snowmen....r

[Steve Hayes]

Post by R H Draney
I got points taken off for that when I was four years old and my parents were
trying to get me into school...the placement test showed a wagon and asked me to
point out what was missing...they claimed it was one of the wheels...I claimed
it wouldn't have been visible anyway from the perspective at which the picture
was drawn....

I heard of a child that was punished because she was asked what it meant when
a groundhog saw its own shadow, and she replied that it meant it had its back
to the sun.

[Django Cat]

Post by R H Draney

Post by Django Cat

Post by R H Draney
"Hand truck" for me too, except for the brief period in 1978 when I
worked for K-Mart and it was a "two-wheeler", to contrast with the
http://www.vestilmfg.com/products/mhequip/carts-71.jpg

That four-wheeler's got six wheels, R H.

Has it?...I only see four....r

It's like in grammar - the other two are 'understood' wheels.

DC
--

[Robin Bignall]

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:06:27 GMT, "Django Cat"

Post by Django Cat

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Truck

That's a 'sack truck'? I'd call that a 'hand truck'. I bought a very fine
bright orange one from B&Q when we moved house about six weeks back - a snip at
only ?19.99, way better than Screwfix. I'm thinking of pimping it with alloy
wheels and taking it on the show circuit.

Don't forget the go faster stripes.

[Django Cat]

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Truck

PS - Just looked at the enlarged picture... it's the same one! Go to B&Q!

DC
--

[Paul Wolff]

Post by Django Cat

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Truck

PS - Just looked at the enlarged picture... it's the same one! Go to B&Q!

But does B&Q do that luxury version with the horn handles?

[Django Cat]

Post by Paul Wolff

Post by Django Cat

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Tr
uck

PS - Just looked at the enlarged picture... it's the same one! Go to B&Q!

But does B&Q do that luxury version with the horn handles?
--

I'm there this morning to pick up some paint - I'll check in the custom shop.

DC
--

[Nick]

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:10:47 +0000, Prai Jei

Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over here),

There are other specific trucks in BrE: Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-

Truck

Pallet truck
http://www.pallettruckshop.co.uk/acatalog/Pallet_Trucks.html

I'll have no truck with any of them. Yours, Tommy.

[Skitt]

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Truck

That's a hand truck over here.

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Pallet truck
http://www.pallettruckshop.co.uk/acatalog/Pallet_Trucks.html

That's a pallet jack.

I have no truck with those.

[Sara Lorimer]

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Truck
Pallet truck
http://www.pallettruckshop.co.uk/acatalog/Pallet_Trucks.html

Skateboard trucks.

[Robin Bignall]

Post by Sara Lorimer

Post by Peter Duncanson (BrE)

Post by Prai Jei
Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon over
here),

Sack truck
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/91404/Access-Storage/Manual-Handling/Sack-Truck
Pallet truck
http://www.pallettruckshop.co.uk/acatalog/Pallet_Trucks.html

Skateboard trucks.

Has anyone mentioned platform trolleys, such as these?
http://www.protecdirect.co.uk/Plastic-Trolleys/Plastic-Platform-Trolley.htm

I've got a couple made out of metal rather than plastic. I keep one
in the garage with a compressor on it for tyres and spray-painting
fences with preservative. The other is in general use in the garden,
and we also have to take it to the council tip to carry heavier
objects to the disposal point, for you can never park conveniently
close. I got mine from Screwfix but they don't seem to carry them
anymore. The B & Q site, to compare prices, is currently down for
maintenance.

[Nick]

Post by Prai Jei
It is the usual British word, rather than anything barbarous or even
barberous. Barbarous slang words are "truck" (properly a railway wagon
over here), "artic" (for the larger kind comprising a tractor and
trailer) or "HGV" (initials of "Heavy Goods Vehicle", the legal
classification).

I still treasure the memory of a local news report where someone was
getting all uppity about all the heavy HGV goods vehicles parking in the
town at night.