Discussion:
Non-palace name of Bishop's residence?
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HVS
2007-02-01 20:52:24 UTC
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Question for the ecclesiastical buffs. (I should know this, but I've
not got the foggiest...)

Rector: rectory/Vicar: vicarage/Parson: parsonage. And Bishop in old
cathedral precinct: palace.

Buy what term does the church use for a Bishop's house that isn't a
traditional Bishop's Palace?

I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was owned by
the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of Kensington (suffragen
at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's Palace" isn't right;
"Bishop's House", perhaps?
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LFS
2007-02-01 22:30:24 UTC
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Post by HVS
Question for the ecclesiastical buffs. (I should know this, but I've
not got the foggiest...)
Rector: rectory/Vicar: vicarage/Parson: parsonage. And Bishop in old
cathedral precinct: palace.
Are they only palaces if they're in cathedral precincts? I'm fairly sure
that the one at Cuddesdon is known as a palace even though it's out in
the country.
Post by HVS
Buy what term does the church use for a Bishop's house that isn't a
traditional Bishop's Palace?
I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was owned by
the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of Kensington (suffragen
at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's Palace" isn't right;
"Bishop's House", perhaps?
The Bishop of Oxford lives in Diocesan Church House, if that's any help.
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Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
HVS
2007-02-01 22:44:55 UTC
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Post by LFS
Post by HVS
Question for the ecclesiastical buffs. (I should know this,
but I've not got the foggiest...)
Rector: rectory/Vicar: vicarage/Parson: parsonage. And Bishop
in old cathedral precinct: palace.
Are they only palaces if they're in cathedral precincts? I'm
fairly sure that the one at Cuddesdon is known as a palace even
though it's out in the country.
Post by HVS
Buy what term does the church use for a Bishop's house that
isn't a traditional Bishop's Palace?
I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was
owned by the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of
Kensington (suffragen at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's
Palace" isn't right; "Bishop's House", perhaps?
The Bishop of Oxford lives in Diocesan Church House, if that's
any help.
That sounds good -- do you know if it's a self-contained residence,
or is it (in effect) an apartment within the diocesan
administration complex?

(The only "Church House" buildings I've come across have been admin
offices rather than residential, but they may well use the term for
both types.)
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Cheers, Harvey

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LFS
2007-02-03 17:04:42 UTC
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Post by HVS
Post by LFS
Post by HVS
Question for the ecclesiastical buffs. (I should know this,
but I've not got the foggiest...)
Rector: rectory/Vicar: vicarage/Parson: parsonage. And Bishop
in old cathedral precinct: palace.
Are they only palaces if they're in cathedral precincts? I'm
fairly sure that the one at Cuddesdon is known as a palace even
though it's out in the country.
Post by HVS
Buy what term does the church use for a Bishop's house that
isn't a traditional Bishop's Palace?
I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was
owned by the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of
Kensington (suffragen at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's
Palace" isn't right; "Bishop's House", perhaps?
The Bishop of Oxford lives in Diocesan Church House, if that's
any help.
That sounds good -- do you know if it's a self-contained residence,
or is it (in effect) an apartment within the diocesan
administration complex?
(The only "Church House" buildings I've come across have been admin
offices rather than residential, but they may well use the term for
both types.)
I have no idea. In the past I could have rung him up and asked but I
don't know the new chap.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
JNugent
2007-02-02 00:51:21 UTC
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Post by LFS
Post by HVS
Question for the ecclesiastical buffs. (I should know this, but I've
not got the foggiest...)
Rector: rectory/Vicar: vicarage/Parson: parsonage. And Bishop in old
cathedral precinct: palace.
Are they only palaces if they're in cathedral precincts? I'm fairly sure
that the one at Cuddesdon is known as a palace even though it's out in
the country.
The Archbishop of Canterbury had a (still-extant) riverside palace at
Maidstone in Kent and another (more famous) at Lambeth (South London, but
originally Surrey), across the river from Westminster and Chelsea. Neither
place has a cathedral.
Peter Duncanson
2007-02-01 23:00:35 UTC
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Post by HVS
Question for the ecclesiastical buffs. (I should know this, but I've
not got the foggiest...)
Rector: rectory/Vicar: vicarage/Parson: parsonage. And Bishop in old
cathedral precinct: palace.
Buy what term does the church use for a Bishop's house that isn't a
traditional Bishop's Palace?
I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was owned by
the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of Kensington (suffragen
at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's Palace" isn't right;
"Bishop's House", perhaps?
I think it varies.

Would you be able to use the generic "Bishop's residence"?
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Peter Duncanson, UK
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HVS
2007-02-02 08:08:36 UTC
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Post by HVS
Question for the ecclesiastical buffs. (I should know this,
but I've not got the foggiest...)
Rector: rectory/Vicar: vicarage/Parson: parsonage. And Bishop
in old cathedral precinct: palace.
Buy what term does the church use for a Bishop's house that
isn't a traditional Bishop's Palace?
I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was
owned by the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of
Kensington (suffragen at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's
Palace" isn't right; "Bishop's House", perhaps?
I think it varies.
Would you be able to use the generic "Bishop's residence"?
Reading through Don's post, that sounds like the best approach -- it
doesn't appear to have been specifically named apart from its street
address. (I wanted to make sure I'd not missed something like
"bishopry" that I'd either forgotten or not encountered.)

Thanks.
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Cheers, Harvey

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Nick Spalding
2007-02-02 12:03:41 UTC
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Post by HVS
Post by Peter Duncanson
Post by HVS
Question for the ecclesiastical buffs. (I should know this,
but I've not got the foggiest...)
Rector: rectory/Vicar: vicarage/Parson: parsonage. And Bishop
in old cathedral precinct: palace.
Buy what term does the church use for a Bishop's house that
isn't a traditional Bishop's Palace?
I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was
owned by the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of
Kensington (suffragen at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's
Palace" isn't right; "Bishop's House", perhaps?
I think it varies.
Would you be able to use the generic "Bishop's residence"?
Reading through Don's post, that sounds like the best approach -- it
doesn't appear to have been specifically named apart from its street
address. (I wanted to make sure I'd not missed something like
"bishopry" that I'd either forgotten or not encountered.)
Thanks.
That follows from "rectory" but "vicarage" and "parsonage" would suggest
"bishopage".
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Nick Spalding
Don Aitken
2007-02-01 23:08:16 UTC
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Post by HVS
Question for the ecclesiastical buffs. (I should know this, but I've
not got the foggiest...)
Rector: rectory/Vicar: vicarage/Parson: parsonage. And Bishop in old
cathedral precinct: palace.
Buy what term does the church use for a Bishop's house that isn't a
traditional Bishop's Palace?
I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was owned by
the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of Kensington (suffragen
at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's Palace" isn't right;
"Bishop's House", perhaps?
According to Whitaker's, "Bishop's House" is the most popular address
for those diocesans who don't live in Palaces - it is used at Bristol,
Coventry, Derby, Ely, Lincoln, Norwich, Ipswich, Southwark, Worcester,
Blackburn, Chester and Newcastle. But there are also Bishop's Croft
(Birmingham, Bradford), Bishopscourt (Chelmsford, Rochester,
Manchester), Bishop's Lodge (Leicester, Liverpool, Wakefield),
Bishopswood (Portsmouth), Bishopthorpe (York), Bishop Mount (Ripon),
Bishop's Manor (Southwell) and Lis Escop (Truro). Gloucester
compromises, with Palace House. And the Bishops of Durham and Carlisle
live in castles.

A significant minority use ordinary addresses like Abbey Gate House
(St. Albans) or Willow Grange (Guildford) or 22 The Close (Lichfield).
This seems to be the invariable practice for suffragans and assistant
bishops. The Bishop of Kensington's address is given as 19 Campden
Hill Square.

I don't think there is a general-purpose term for "place lived in by a
bishop".
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HVS
2007-02-02 08:06:36 UTC
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Post by Don Aitken
Post by HVS
I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was
owned by the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of
Kensington (suffragen at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's
Palace" isn't right; "Bishop's House", perhaps?
According to Whitaker's, "Bishop's House" is the most popular
address for those diocesans who don't live in Palaces - it is
used at Bristol, Coventry, Derby, Ely, Lincoln, Norwich,
Ipswich, Southwark, Worcester, Blackburn, Chester and Newcastle.
But there are also Bishop's Croft (Birmingham, Bradford),
Bishopscourt (Chelmsford, Rochester, Manchester), Bishop's Lodge
(Leicester, Liverpool, Wakefield), Bishopswood (Portsmouth),
Bishopthorpe (York), Bishop Mount (Ripon), Bishop's Manor
(Southwell) and Lis Escop (Truro). Gloucester compromises, with
Palace House. And the Bishops of Durham and Carlisle live in
castles.
A significant minority use ordinary addresses like Abbey Gate
House (St. Albans) or Willow Grange (Guildford) or 22 The Close
(Lichfield). This seems to be the invariable practice for
suffragans and assistant bishops. The Bishop of Kensington's
address is given as 19 Campden Hill Square.
That's the house I'm looking into; the diocese appears to have
bought it after the war, and sold it about 20 years ago.
Post by Don Aitken
I don't think there is a general-purpose term for "place lived
in by a bishop".
Thanks; I'll probably (as Peter suggests) use the generic, lower-
case "residence" for this one; I just wanted to make sure I wasn't
missing something obvious like "bishopry" or whatever...
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HVS
2007-02-02 08:14:39 UTC
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On 02 Feb 2007, HVS wrote

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Post by HVS
That's the house I'm looking into; the diocese appears to have
bought it after the war, and sold it about 20 years ago.
Typo; "sold it about 10 years ago" -- maybe even 5.
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Steve Hayes
2007-02-02 03:48:37 UTC
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Post by HVS
I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was owned by
the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of Kensington (suffragen
at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's Palace" isn't right;
"Bishop's House", perhaps?
In South African usage, for Anglican bishops, yes.
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
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HVS
2007-02-02 08:10:38 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by HVS
I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was
owned by the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of
Kensington (suffragen at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's
Palace" isn't right; "Bishop's House", perhaps?
In South African usage, for Anglican bishops, yes.
Does that tend to be the actual name/address of the house, or is it
used as a general catch-all like "rectory" even where that word
doesn't appear in the postal address?
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Cheers, Harvey

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Steve Hayes
2007-02-02 18:41:02 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by HVS
I'm researching a house in Kensington which in the 1960s was
owned by the diocese and occupied by various Bishops of
Kensington (suffragen at first). I'm fairly certain "Bishop's
Palace" isn't right; "Bishop's House", perhaps?
In South African usage, for Anglican bishops, yes.
Does that tend to be the actual name/address of the house, or is it
used as a general catch-all like "rectory" even where that word
doesn't appear in the postal address?
Yes, though I think there was one called Bishopsgarth and another called
Bishopsbourne.
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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