Is it possible to drop 'putative' should?

[chairon]

It is generally known that 'should' which is used in that-clauses after
verbs, nouns and adjectives expressing the importance of an action can be
dropped and we use subjunctive instead, e.g.:

It's essential that he (should) take the medicine.
I insist that she (should) tell the truth.
I suggest that he (should) take legal advice.

The modal auxiliary 'should' is also common in that-clauses that convey the
notion of a 'putative' situation. I mean, for example, the following ones:

It's a pity that he should die so young.
It's odd that she should say such a thing.
I'm surprised that she should treat you like that.

I wonder if it is also possible to drop 'should' in these sentences so as to
use subjunctive. As far as I know, subjunctive would not be possible here,
but I am not 100% sure. Would you consider these senteces correct?

It's a pity that he die so young.
It's odd that she say such a thing.
I'm surprised that she treat you like that.

If not, then what are the restrictions on the use of the subjunctive mood in
sentences like the above ones?

[Raymond S. Wise]

Post by chairon
It is generally known that 'should' which is used in that-clauses after
verbs, nouns and adjectives expressing the importance of an action can be
It's essential that he (should) take the medicine.
I insist that she (should) tell the truth.
I suggest that he (should) take legal advice.

If this is a case of a "should"-construction replacing the infinitive, then
the way I look at it, "should" isn't being dropped, but instead "should" +
infinitive is being replaced by a verb in the subjunctive (which in this
case has the same form as the infinitive).

Post by chairon
The modal auxiliary 'should' is also common in that-clauses that convey the
It's a pity that he should die so young.
It's odd that she should say such a thing.
I'm surprised that she should treat you like that.
I wonder if it is also possible to drop 'should' in these sentences so as to
use subjunctive. As far as I know, subjunctive would not be possible here,
but I am not 100% sure. Would you consider these senteces correct?
It's a pity that he die so young.
It's odd that she say such a thing.
I'm surprised that she treat you like that.
If not, then what are the restrictions on the use of the subjunctive mood in
sentences like the above ones?
--
chairon

The subjunctive is not used here. To compare it with the use of the
"should"-construction and mandative subjunctive used in your examples at the
beginning of your post, it is not a case of something being directed or
suggested. Instead of using the "should-construction" in these last example,
the past tense of the indicative could be substituted:

It's a pity that he died so young.
It's odd that she said such a thing.
I'm surprised that she treated you like that.